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UCLA Basketball: Where Wings Soar

UCLA basketball is in hot pursuit of some of the best wings (small forward/shooting guards) in the country (more details on the individual recruits at the end of the post).  If you are a young wing recruit it would make great sense to come to UCLA.  For if Tyler Honeycutt and Malcolm Lee get drafted this week and play in the NBA, they will continue the recent tradition under Coach Ben Howland of very successful wings both in the NBA and while in college. 

Ten players have started in the wing position under CBH.  Discounting Tyler Honeycutt and Malcolm Lee, four of the remaining eight are NBA starters.  Of the four not in the pros, two were not CBH recruits (Dijon Thompson and Cedric Bozeman).  Of the remaining two, Josh Shipp suffered some injuries which hurt his pro potential (Josh was a much better athlete his freshmen year and but-for injuries IMHO would have been a NBA player) and Michael Roll who was the least athletically of the group but was still All-Pac-10 and team MVP his senior year. 

However, it is not just that CBH recruited well. Rather, he made all these players better.  Even Arron Afflalo, arguably the best of the group as a freshman, went from all-freshman team to all-conference team to Pac-10 MVP in his three years.  We have heard a lot from the scouts on how UCLA and CBH improve players and the stats seem to back that up.

Below is a list of the starting wings by season under CBH.  College honors are listed first, then pro-accomplishments in parenthesis. 

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2010-11

Malcolm Lee, All-Conference, All-Defensive Team

Tyler Honeycutt, All-Conference

2009-10

Michael Roll, leading scorer, All-Conference

Tyler Honeycutt, All-Freshman Team

2008-09

Josh Shipp, leading scorer, Second Team All-Conference

Jrue Holiday, All-Freshman Team (starter in NBA)

2007-08

Russell Westbrook, Third Team All-Conference, Defensive Player of the Year (NBA All-Star)

Josh Shipp

2006-07

Arron Afflalo, leading scorer, Pac-10 Player of the Year (starter in the NBA)

Josh Shipp

2005-06

Arron Afflalo leading scorer, First Team All-Conference

Cedric Bozeman

2004-05

Arron Afflalo, All-Freshman Team

Josh Shipp

2003-04

Trevor Ariza All-Freshman Team (NBA Starter)

Dijon Thompson

[A few notes, Thompson played 4 his senior year, Bozeman started as a PG, Westbrook and Holiday are pro-PGs, etc.  This list only includes starting position for players that season at UCLA.] 

My point on this list if you are a wing, there is arguably no better place to learn the game than UCLA.  It will help you get to the next level and improve you throughout your career.

This brings me to our current wing recruits.  As best I can tell UCLA is in the running for the some of the best wings for 2012.  Let me highlight just two that according to some reports UCLA is close to signing . 

1. Shabazz Muhammad: simply the best high school player and is from Las Vegas.  My favorite line of the ESPN review: "Each class has a prospect that is willing to do anything to win. . . .[f]or the class of 2012, it appears to be Muhammad."

2.  Jordan Adams, ranked #61 in this class and a great scorer from all parts of the floor, hails from Virginia. 

Now before I say too much on these guys, let me just make a couple points.  First, notice they are not from California or even Pac-10 states.  UCLA has had problems in recent years recruiting non-Californians and/or Pac-10 area players.  Getting either one of these two would be big for UCLA, as it would send a strong signal that UCLA is back on the national recruiting front. 

IMHO the biggest problem in recent years for UCLA has been recruiting.  I do not want to rehash that argument other than to  add that California has been down recently on talent.  It is important for UCLA to have a national reach again. 

Second, attacks are coming against UCLA that despite UCLA being a front runner for Shabazz and Jordan, they will not go to UCLA.  This is very different from recent years when we were not even relevant to the national recruiting discussion.  UCLA is strongly in the running for some of the best players in the country beginning with the wings listed above being just two.  Others don't want to hear or acknowledge that.  Fine, I understand but if CBH and staff land one of the big names from outside California and the Pac-10, it will be a whole new game recruiting wise and other schools know it. 

And for kids like Shabazz and Jordan, listen up; there is arguably no school that can do more for you as past UCLA wings have shown.

Go Bruins!

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Amen.

Yes we may be biased, but the simple facts are hard to ignore: You play for Ben Howland, no matter how good you are, you will get better, and you will put yourself in excellent position to not just play in the NBA, but succeed in the NBA. There is a lot more money for the latter part of that statement.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

There are several coaches and programs that can get a prospect drafted, but CBH has proven that not only will get his players drafted, he’ll get them to stick in the NBA, which is significantly more important. In young person lingo… CBH/UCLA = $$$$$

by ishXdavid on Jun 20, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Extra media attention.

Hopefully with all the media attention and our “new”(chuckle) stadium we’ll start attracting a few more high quality recruits for the following year. Cross your fingers and lets see if the new assistant coaches will impact our program sooner than later.

by Bruin'96 on Jun 20, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Great post

Now how do we get this to Howland to have him print out and take the next time he meets with them? haha all kidding aside I think that the mature high school student with the right adivice from HS Coaches/parents etc would realize this.

Sure the individual offensive numbers may not be as pronoucned compared to if you go to other programs, but if you want to learn the fundamentals, have a productive career, and be a contributing player on an NBA team, why go anywhere else?

by uclabruin34 on Jun 20, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

PS - Jordan Adams announcing today at 3:15 pm.

He’s one of coach McCray’s former players on the Atlanta Celtics. Excellent shooter, needs some conditioning work, but can really stroke it. Good player. He was scheduled to take a visit to Memphis, but decided to announce, and most think he’s about to commit to us. Here’s hoping!

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you know if it will be televised?

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Jun 20, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks OSwego and Question

Do you know the last time we had a recruit that was not from a PAC 10 State?

by DCBruins on Jun 20, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you mean highly regarded recruit

Wouldn’t that be Bobo? If we’re talking one that actually panned out, maybe Aboya/Luc.

by Tydides on Jun 20, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah Morgan

Yeah he was kind of last minute. Aboya was higher ranked than Luc if I recall. Where was Aboya playing High School ball?

by DCBruins on Jun 20, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Hampshire, I should have said

You know, those new england states all look the same… Tilton Prep.

formerly bruinhoo

by Patroclus on Jun 20, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

In addition,

we’ve also gotten Ryan Wright from Ontario, Canada, Lazeric Jones out of Carterville, Illinois, and Matt Carlino from Indiana. Ben can recruit outside california, he’s just not needed to until the serious downturn in local talent which occured about three years ago and has been lingering ever since.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree on Wright

Carlino was a late sort of desperate grab. Jones was JC.

by DCBruins on Jun 20, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Lets get him in shape and let him rain those threes.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't football.

Verbals in CBB are usually reliable. Unless your name is Terrence Jones. This kid didn’t even bother to trip to Memphis. I think he’s ours, but there is a long wait till LOI day.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Major praise for coach McCray!
One big reason was the addition of assistant coach Korey McCray to the staff. McCray, who ran the Atlanta Celtics, Adam’s AAU team, was hired by Ben Howland to replace Scott Duncan last month. "(The hiring of coach McCray) played a big role because he was also my trainer," stated Adams. "None of these colleges would be recruiting me if I wasn’t somewhat decent and he was the one who helped me get there."

by BruinMW on Jun 20, 2011 3:33 PM PDT reply actions  

The live feed of his announcement was strange...

It was all of 30 seconds, and he basically just said that Memphis wasn’t a good fit, and neither was Miami, and that he was taking his talents to the West Coast….

I couldn’t hear what the other guy said off to the side, but Jordan closed out his very brief statement by stating matter of factly that Shaq Goodwin was coming with him, as well as Shabazz and LJ Rose. I’m sure it’s just wishful thinking on my part :)

by BruMase on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I would give up beer if that happened.

Or anything for that matter.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

aha

seeing as how i am sitting in my office i didn’t have the volume turned all the way up.

by BruMase on Jun 20, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

if that happened, I would think that Shabazz gets the start over Adams

unless one of them plays the 2, also bringing into question what role Norman Powell and Tyler Lamb will play

by BruinEngy on Jun 20, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shabazz would move to the two in that scenario.

Adams’ game translates better to a wing prospect than a shooting guard, whereas Shabazz could play either position with aplomb. I like Shabazz at the two as he would have the ball in his hands more often, and when pressured he could kick out to Adams and that killer jumper of his.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Oswego

For the Presser link. It was good to see it. (Should have said hat tip in the other post.) At some point feel free to fanpost your thoughts on UCLA basketball , especially recrutiing. I wouldn like to hear your thoughts on some of the potential kids.

by DCBruins on Jun 20, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any insight on Shabazz's defense?

Shabazz at the 2 would typically mean he’d draw the assignment of shutting down the other team’s top perimeter threat. Is Shabazz capable of being a shutdown defender?

If the best case scenario plays out with an influx of athleticism, what are the chances we play a relentless full-court defense like Coach used to teach?

by ishXdavid on Jun 20, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and likely no

On the first Shabazz is a hard worker and great athlete. He does whatever it takes to win.

I doubt we would play a press. Not CBH’s style.

by DCBruins on Jun 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

As DC mentioned,

yes, Shabazz could easily become a lockdown defender. IMO, there’s only so much energy you can expend on a basketball court, as even LeBron tires out when playing lockdown d, and he might be the finest athlete on earth. Shabazz, if you’ve ever watched him play, is constantly in attack mode. Think Dwayne Wade or Blake Griffin, not in terms of skill level, but in terms of style of play. Every time he touches the ball he is either taking the shot or taking it to the rim, and God help you if you try to stop him. Kid is a dunking machine. Athleticism out the ears.

So can he be a lockdown defender? Yes, certainly. He’s got length and tons of athleticism, and is quite quick. If he does, it will certainly diminish his overall energy he can exude on the offensive end. It will be ineteresting to see how he shapes up once he hits the D-1 level. Let’s put it this way: we haven’t seen a player of his caliber since Kevin Love.

As for pressing, I think like DC that Ben’s strengths lie in backcourt D, though we did press some in the final four years, to mixed results. One of Ben’s favorite tactics was to have DC put pressure on the opposing PG for 3/4 of the court, making him exert energy and essentially stopping the ball before it could even cross halfcourt. Ben’s entire scheme is predicated around stopping penetration at the point of attack, IE the point guard position. Stopping it at 3/4? Even better.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Jun 20, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

These last 2 seasons have just felt like we’ve had somewhat short, unproductive benches.

by BruinEngy on Jun 20, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

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