The UCLA Factor For Basketball Players Lee and Honeycutt
Two UCLA Bruins will get drafted tonight in the NBA draft. Both will be helped by the growing "UCLA Factor." Seemingly everyone agrees that UCLA players make good to great pros. Both Tyler Honeycutt and Malcolm Lee definitely bettered themselves by coming to UCLA and learning more about Basketball.
What could help both is the much-discussed "UCLA Factor" that is making its round through basketball circles.
The success of lightly touted Bruins in the pros - including Jrue Holliday, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, Arron Afflalo and Luc Mbah-a-Moute - has trickled down to Lee and Honeycutt. All five have been valuable starters for playoff teams, but only Westbrook was a lottery pick, and even his ascendancy to the top crop of NBA point guards was unforeseen.
"Being able to be controlled on offense, not really take unnecessary shots, letting plays develop - I think that's what gives UCLA the edge," Lee said. "At UCLA, we have the opportunity to execute plays. When we get into the NBA, we execute a lot better and the floor is a lot more spread."
More after the jump.
Let's delve into Malcolm Lee, first on the UCLA factor:
UCLA's Malcolm Lee is another player who fits that mold and is also one of the best perimeter defenders in this class.
For those who remember his struggles at Point Guard, I point you to Russell Westbrook first game as a PG at West Virginia. Westbrook was not bad, he was awful and cost us the game. Also Lee like Westbrook was a premiere defender in college. Of course, Westbrook was one of a kind but I find these kind of statements acceptable hyperbole.
Malcolm Lee: "I think he'll have some work to do, but UCLA guards seem to find a way. Malcolm plays a lot like Russell Westbrook. They have an attack mentality at all times, they get in the creases. When they get in the paint, they don't dodge, they try to go through you. Just really aggressive. And then defensively, he's really good at moving his feet laterally and he can guard the 1 or the 2 very well." (Video)
As we wrote the Jazz loved Lee. Malcolm has done himself a service by being worked out by just about every team that showed an interest. Malcolm's hard work is paying off with draft predications from the unlikely 12 spot to 35.
UCLA's Malcolm Lee was a player we had locked in the late 40's in January but after a strong run through the NBA Draft workout process Lee's name has steadily climbed. His range could be as high as #12 to Utah. He was said to have blown the Jazz away in his workout, however #12 is a huge reach for Lee. The 76ers at #16 are high on Lee because of his versatility. The Wizards at #18 are high on Malcolm as are the Nets and the Timberwolves. Lee is not a first round lock yet, but considering where his stock started in the process he should be off the board before the 35th pick and that's a nice run up for the 6'5 guard from UCLA.
Many were upset at Lee for leaving early and concerned he made a mistake, especially in light of his knee injury. However, Malcolm seems to be doing great physically and seems to be the impressive kid that made him the leader and MVP of last year's UCLA team. I have a feeling Lee will find a place at the next level.
Which brings me to Tyler Honeycutt. It was an open secret Tyler was not going to stay after his Sophomore year. Some even said he was not trying hard because he did not want to risk getting hurt. Some of what is being said about him is . . . interesting.
Defensively, is where he can make his living at the next level. Tyler has a great basketball IQ, solid lateral quickness, and a great wingspan. He should be able to defend the two or the three effectively.
He averaged nearly seven rebounds, two blocks, and a steal a game which shows his versatility and activity level. He can defend multiple positions and play with a high motor. Adding strength would address his major defensive weakness of fighting through screens, but he has a lot of potential on the defensive end.
It cracks me up that a number of draft previews have lines like this on:
"25. Boston Celtics: Tyler Honeycutt, small forward, UCLA. A tall, lean defender. . ."
I do not think defense was his strength last year and he is benefiting from CBH's reputation. However, if I want to be charitable it is impressive to lead a conference in shot blocking from the small forward position.
That is not the most ridiculious thing said about Tyler. The worst was by the Nets GM comparing him to Reggie Miller:
He's very athletic," King said of Honeycutt, who was a star volleyball player in high school and credits that with helping him develop his leaping ability and shot-blocking skills. "He had some very good games in college. He didn't shoot the ball well here today, but he's athletic. His body's a little frail (6-8, 188), but there was another guy from UCLA, back in '87, who had a frail body that lasted 18 years - Reggie Miller."
It wasn't the first time someone had compared Honeycutt to Miller, the former Indiana Pacers great who retired as the most prolific 3-point shooter in NBA history, holding that distinction until Ray Allen broke his record for 3-pointers this season. The folks in Indiana brought Miller's name up after Honeycutt had perhaps his best showing of the pre-draft workout circuit there.
"It's a great player to be compared to," said Honeycutt, who has never met Miller. "His name speaks for itself, what he's done."
Having seen most of Reggie's UCLA games there is no comparison there. A better review of Tyler is here:
Tyler Honeycutt: "He has a tremendous amount of potential. He's tall, he's long, he's comfortable shooting it out to 3, but he's got to stay engaged, he's got to stay with it. He can guard multiple positions. He can be one of those Nicolas Batum guys for the Blazers, someone who can harass a point guard or chase around a shooter as well as a defend a guy like Kevin Durant because of his length." (Video)
I think Tyler's issue is "staying engaged." Unlike Lee, I think he underachieved last year because again unlike Lee he was guilty of not giving 100% all the time. He has been picked anywhere from 13 to late in the first round.
Let me conclude with this note from a typical Lee workout. On the high end for Malcolm Lee is the following argument from the Minnesota Timberwolves with the 20th pick who are definitely interested in Lee after a strong workout:
FIVE FOR 20. . . 5. Malcolm Lee, UCLA sophomore: Another 6-5 combo guard, he's projected as a second-round pick. But remember this: Ben Howland's UCLA teams have a way of producing players who are better pros than anybody imagined. Think Russell Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Luc Mbah a Moute.
I hope Honeycutt and Lee add to that tradition. Regardless both on draft day and their careers will be in part owed to the UCLA Factor.
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A couple thoughts
The success of lightly touted Bruins in the pros – including Jrue Holliday,
I dont think you can say Holiday was “lightly touted” when compared to the others on that list. He was a 4 star recruit out of college and 2nd at his position according to the ESPN rankings that year.
I really see TH as a lazy lamar odom at this point. Does anyone else agree? I think that is more of an accurate comparison at this point than a Reggie Miller.
TH has the ability to attack the basket, pull up, and because of his length can be a slight matchup problem but his game is finesse and he gets lazy/lost on defense, similar to LO in my opinion.
Lastly, its not like our guys are like Kyrie or Derrick Williams where we KNOW for the most part where they will get drafted. Lets play a game, (I’m at work and im bored in ase you couldnt tell haha)
Pick the spot and team where they get drafted. 1 point if you guess the round, 5 points if you guess the team, 10 points if you guess the exact spot (i.e. 4th pick in the 2nd round, etc)
Malcolm Lee: 1st round 23rd overall to the Rockets
Tyler Honneycutt: 2nd round 36th overall to the Nets
WOW did i mess that one up
I only wanted to block quote the part about Holiday being lightly touted…
I don't like the Reggie or Odom comparisons
no offense, and as a Trailblazers fan, the Batum comparison just makes me angry. Batum can defend 1-4. Honeycutt couldn’t even defend his own position. Honeycutt is athletic, and showed it when he came from behind to block a player who beat him off the dribble. Imagine him trying to guard players who are exponentially more athletic and better with the ball? He simply won’t be able to.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
He lightly touted coming out of college
because of his mediocre single season at UCLA. If he could’ve gone straight to the NBA out of high school, he would’ve been a high lottery pick. Based on his collegiate “career”, analysts determined he was overrated as a prep.
Just saw this
in a post from Peter Yoon on the ESPNLA blog in reference to the “UCLA Factor”:
love it
Howland broke Hollinger.
It would actually be really interesting to hear from Hollinger why this is the case – ie why the stats on which his system is based don’t capture the full story when it comes to Howland products. Things suggested in general have been the NBA-level man-to-man defensive principles, but potentially also the coaching of an efficient offense based on execution rather than relying on superior talent and one-on-one skills.
by VeniceBruin on Jun 23, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The actual post is awesome
Could put it here because it was behind a firewall. The UCLA Factor is real.
Wonderful to hear, though teams will no doubt be disappointed
by Honeycutt. I think he’ll land somewhere and do ok, but he’s not defensive-minded, unless he decided to start playing defense at draft camps. Seth Davis (grrr) did an amalgam of what scouts said about players, and here’s the Honeycutt section:
Tyler Honeycutt, 6-8 sophomore forward, UCLA. He’s the big tease in the draft. He’s pretty talented. Passing, rebounding, has a really good floor game. He’s a good athlete with a great second jump. He kind of reminds me of Doug Christie. Sure, he was inconsistent, but he was only a sophomore, right? That’s not a concern for me. My worry is that he’s always going to take the path of least resistance. If you’re not ready to play on every possession in this league, they’ll make you look silly.
Yeah that sounds more like it. I hope he succeeds, but he didn’t try on the court, so i’m not going to try to follow him.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
I know this is VERY off topic but I wanted to post this pretty soon.
This is a picture of the UCLA vs. Oregon State game, where fans came to show their support during a hard time, and the student section was the only really empty section, this should be a wake up call
Im not sure if the picture loaded
because this is my first time posting pictures, so here is the URL
My fear is that Malcolm Lee won't be picked as highly as he deserves to be (late first round sounds great!)
My other fear is that Lee or Honeycutt actually under perform, thus negating the UCLA or Howland Factor
Also, I wonder how many of our current players can or will declare in the following year?
Reeves? Joshua Smith? A potentially booming Tyler Lamb?
Jordan Farmar
has underperformed, and it hasn’t hurt the UCLA factor. As long as the majority of our players in the draft outperform their rankings, we (and Ben) will be getting credit.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
by OswegoBruin on Jun 23, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
are you sure that's true?
Just looked at the players drafted in 2006 – there are players drafted ahead of him that are no longer in the league, and not that many guys below him you can say are having significantly more impact. If you were to redraft based on what we now know, I think Farmar could potentially go higher.
(actually, I can’t find a good source, but a bunch of bad sources doing a redraft do take him higher, maybe even the lottery)
by VeniceBruin on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
sure
but his performance – a solid but unspectacular pro picked up at the bottom of the first round – seems to reinforce the ‘UCLA factor’ rather than undermine it.
if he gets drafted late first round
then that will be a testament to Howland’s reputation and Malcolm’s performance in individual workouts – and the weakness of this year’s draft. Given his body of work in college, that would strike me as higher than he ‘deserves’ to be, though obviously I will root for him to succeed. Compare with AA, a late first round pick who was slightly better than Malcolm in pretty much every facet of the game, led us to two Final Fours and was a 1st team All-American.
Of the three players you mention, I think Joshua Smith has the most potential to be such a dominant force next year that someone guarantees him a lottery pick. Tyler Lamb would have to have a RW-esque breakout season to jump to the pros next year; Reeves might declare after his junior year out of irrational confidence, but surely wouldn’t be all that highly drafted…
by VeniceBruin on Jun 23, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
By this point
it seems pretty likely Lee will get picked before Josh Selby. Perhaps you’ve heard of him a few thousand times??
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
I don't really know much about his situation.
I know he lost his father in a shooting before his senior year of HS, and I know he was Mr. California Basketball his senior season in 2009, but I’m not certain why we passed on him. Perhaps after recruiting Tyler Honeycutt, who has a similar frame and position, that we were done with SFs. He certainly wasn’t heavily recruited. As far as I’ve seen, he only had 4 offers, from LB State, San Jose St., SDSU, and University of San Diego. I think people didn’t really see him as anything more than a mid major talent, but he’s shown himself to be an excellent athlete, somewhat like a taller, longer Malcolm Lee. Excellent defense, good rebounding for his position, but his shot is questionable.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

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