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Spaulding Roundup: Practice Starts And Kevin Prince Jumps Ahead

You hear that sound? That's the sound of football from Spaulding Field. Okay, so maybe the Bruins haven't put on pads yet so the sound you hear isn't quite the sound of football yet, but UCLA football is most certainly back. The Bruins took to the practice field on Monday for the first time this season, 26 days before they open up the 2011 season against Houston.

The big story heading into practice is the quarterback battle and the reports from Monday on the competition were eerily similar to the ones we've heard from practice before. Kevin Prince was solid, if unspectacular, while Richard Brehaut was guilty of not reading the defense as well, knowing the playbook as well, and forcing throws that resulted in interceptions.

Day 1 seemed to go to Prince. He handled the offense well during 11-on-11 drills, though he was barked at by Neuheisel following one play.

Brehaut had two passes intercepted.

Prince, Neuheisel said, "looked pretty sharp." But, the coach added, "He missed a couple throws. He wasn't as crisp. That's going to be the case until he gets his sea legs back under him."

Brehaut, Neuheisel said, "did some good things." But on the Homer Smith sliding scale, "there were some forced balls that we've got to work through. We're going to get to the bottom of that."

As much as many of us want Brehaut to really step forward and push Prince, is anyone surprised? It sounds exactly like the Brehaut we've seen for two years, but there is one really, really good thing about this. It's only one day. There is a very long way to go and it's unfair to make judgements after one day. It's not like Brehaut, or Prince, is short on support either. There's an entire Bruin Nation dying for both to step up, play exceptionally and start lifting the Bruin program up because as we all know, much of the offense's success, or failure, will be dependent on the quarterback play.

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Rick Neuheisel's entire tenure as UCLA head coach has been proof of the need for quality quarterback play. Kevin Craft, for all his heart and toughness, wasn't going to get it done. Prince has shown what the Bruins can be with good and bad quarterback play all by himself with his health determining his play and the team's. Meanwhile, Brehaut has appeared by overwhelmed by either the playbook or defenses, sometimes both, when he got chances. If CRN has any success he's going to need a quarterback, meaning an improved Brehaut or healthy Prince. Either will do. 

Elsewhere, Jon Gold got his first look at the team for the fall. He chimed in on the quarterback situation and echoed what pretty much everyone else said, but he also had more to talk about. On the whole he called the practice "good," but he also had a lot to say regarding position battles, with Glenn Love looking like the leader at outside linebacker and Wade Yandall at strong-side guard with Chris Ward at weak-side. That Yandall note will be worth watching with Jeff Baca injured.

What I liked most were his impressions on guys who have gotten bigger or smaller though. Almost all of it is good news.  

* First impressions of size changes: Justin Edison looks huge, absolutely huge; Patrick Larimore seems to have put on some good weight; Torian White is smaller than I expected (Will Oliver is way bigger than I expected); and Sheldon Price and Aaron Hester are a pair of formidable DBs.

The note on Edison is my favorite. Cassius Marsh is going to be the disruptive one in the middle. He is going to get into the backfield and collapse the pocket. That means that we need someone who can hold his ground, occupy blockers and create space for the rest of the guys. It's not a pretty job, but it's a very valuable one and it's one that Edison will be asked to do. That extra size can only help him as he creates a wall for opposing running backs.

Yesterday, muircoach let us know that both Jamie Graham and Albert Cid are just waiting on final approval before they can join the team. That's expected to happen before the end of the week, but Graham was out at practice watching as the Bruins got underway. It's tough to figure out what the coaching staff's plans for him are considering he is not on the depth chart and we haven't gotten much of a look at him yet, but Gold got a little hint from Joe Tresey.

We've seen him play. He's a legitimate player. He played a lot of snaps in the SEC (while Graham was at Vanderbilt), arguably the best conference in the country. We're excited we have him." 

So we still don't know how he is going to fit into the defensive backfield. He could also fit into the return game or who knows where. We still don't know yet. Hopefully he can get cleared and we can start getting an idea of what the staff's plans for him are.

Today is another day of Bruin practice, again without pads. Friday will be the first day they strap them on and start hitting, but heading into this key year, every day matters. Hopefully that urgency leads to more good practices.

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That’s why I never made a big deal about his listed weight on the media guide. It says he dropped to 285(?), but he’s a lot bigger now. It’ll be interesting to see how Prince and Brehaut perform against Tresey’s defense and how carries are spit between the backs.

by Bruins#1 on Aug 9, 2011 6:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

On the Scale of Rob Walker to Cade McNown . . .

its disappointing to read/hear that “Prince OR Brehaut” is/are still aspiring to reach the level of Cory Paus.

by Alcides on Aug 9, 2011 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Ahhhhh.... Cory Paus

THAT is pretty sad… Because for all of his deceptive stats, that guy was TERRIBLE! Anyone would rack up a bunch of yards if you started for 4 years. He couldn’t hit the deep ball to save his life and was so hard to watch following Cade. Why is it so difficult to have serviceable QB on this side of town?? Feels like it’s been forever… Probably cuz it has.

by dantana on Aug 9, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's been 6 years...

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 9, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

My memory must be failing then

By my recollection all Paus could throw was the deep ball and he was terrible at short to medium routes. It’s probably part of my mind’s attempt to forget everything that happened since Miami.

by bruinM on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh

It is really so depressing that we have had to endure so many years of suckish QBs.

by SactoBruin on Aug 9, 2011 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

ditto O-Line too...

Troy Aikman woulda suffered as well under the same circumstances!!!

by GogetemBruins on Aug 9, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

All our QB's

All our QB’s had great high school careers. Let’s all hope they reach those highs again. Even our back up QB’s had great high school careers. The college game is different, harder, reading defenses, etc. but let’s all hope they reach for the stars and get them this year. GO QB’s and GO BRUINS!!!

by Forever a Bruin on Aug 9, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

^ This

It all comes down to coaching and the coaches talent evaluation

by impaulv on Aug 9, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ryan

Appreciate the work on this.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 9, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

There are ten other guys on the field

We need to stop heaping all the blame on the QB for every dropped handoff, forced pass, and sack. There are ten other guys on the field and if they don’t all do their job things go wrong.

Look, even the most blamed QB in recent history, Kevin Craft, wasn’t suckish – a cobbled-together Oline made him look suckish. Sure, KC wasn’t NFL caliber – he was a 3rd string QB & a JuCo xfer – but he was decent. Problem is, in the Pac, without a real Oline, you need to be Vince Young to have any hope for success at QB. Compare Craft’s performance in 09 (when we had a decent Oline) to his performance in 08 – what a difference some protection makes: he went from suckish to decent. If Craft had had a great Oline & great WR’s he’d have looked pretty good.

Last season the Prince/Brehaut drama also showed the QB wasn’t the only one to blame. Prince played some games and looked ‘meh’ – then we started playing Bre but he didn’t look that much better… even with his faster, flatter more accurate passes we never got the passing game going in 2010. The other ten guys weren’t getting it done.

The fact that the problem was spread around multiple positions made it much harder to fix. The fact that so many want to dump all the blame on one guy makes it really hard to have productive conversations about our team.

Sigh. I predict that by the Texas game there will be a vocal (and probably drunken) mob demanding to replace whichever QB we were using with the other guy. An injury will let them have their way and when we don’t start passing 500 yards per game they’ll start calling for Hundley to burn his redshirt and come save us. And if Hundley does play for us, and turns out to be a true Freshman (talented but inexperienced) then they’ll wail bitterly that he was over-rated. Sigh. [I wish these people would just watch movies about football – they always end happily ever after]

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 9, 2011 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Let me state, for the record:

I appreciate Ryan’s analysis and many of these comments. Ryan does a great job in getting into the little details and the BN’s ‘usual suspects’ do, too.

My comment was more in anticipation of a repeat of last year’s QB blame game than a response to this post or any of the comments on it.

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 9, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just look at it in a positive light

The o-line should be closer to 2009 than 2008 or 2010 (the missing links were XSF and Maiava, in case anyone is wondering…one of those guys is back). KP is older, hopefully wiser. We have some weapons at WR, and some guys who could be solid contributors if they just caught the ball. We have a stable of running backs, one of whom gained almost 100 yds/game in a year in which we couldn’t complete a pass to save our lives (with defenses henceforth stacking against the run). If we just have a little success passing, imagine how much better the running game will be, and vice versa. The defense will be consistently better than last year.

I think all of these things point to a 2009-like year. A couple of good breaks and it will be better. A couple of injuries and it will be worse.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 9, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have some weapons at WR,

Seems to me we have the same set of WR’s that mailed in and sleep walked through the 2nd half of last season. Hopefully the new OC can do something with them – talent certainly seems present.

by Orz on Aug 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

how many passes were even attempted? The starters last year certainly didn’t make a mark. But we have an amazing speedster (Carroll, Marvray), an amazing jumper (Rosario), and a guy who used to be an amazing catcher (Embree). Those are weapons, they just haven’t really been used or made to work well…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Aug 9, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree totally

2011 looks to have higher performance across the board. I think either KP or Bre will do significantly better this season – or let me put it this way. If our Oline in not plagued by injury and our RB’s & WR’s live up to their potential reasonable fans will be happy with either KP or Bre. And we have better coaching at RB & WR this season. And more consistent coaching on QBs (not the two-headed QB coach of Rick Chow).

One of the cruelest ironies in CRN’s tenure is that one of his better positions coaches (Palcic) has been cursed with complications like injuries, academics, personal matters (like not adapting to Westwood or feeling the need to do some religious service) – which keep him from putting together a good, solid line. It’s like that German saying: All Kunst ist umsunst wenn ein Engel auf das Zundloch brunzt. (All skill is in vain when an angel pees in your musket.)

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 9, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Das Stimmt.

Aber es würde auch helfen, wenn wir den Fußball werfen konnte.

"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden

by OswegoBruin on Aug 10, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was one of the ones

who stated that a healthy Brehaut was a much better choice than an injured Prince.

And I stand by that opinion and still think I was right. I didn’t see the point in sending out an injured ineffective player to get beat up behind an average at best offensive line.

I also think a healthy Prince is better than a healthy Brehaut at this stage in their careers.

by silverlakebruin on Aug 9, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another Factor Influenced Last Year: Incorporating the Pistol

Usually people show “progress” when they return to the same system and role. Things changed for both QB’s last year. Last year, both QB’s had to incorporate a new system — so for some purposes they were playing as “first timers”.

When healthy, I think Prince did a good job with the pistol — his “deception” was good. Brehaut, did not run the pistol as well. However, when one watched a seasoned pistol QB — Collin Kaepernick — one realized that our guys were not there yet.

There are a lot of reasons last years offense sucked, and some good reasons to believe we will be much better this year.

My optimism is somewhat tempered by the reports about Brehaut and the playbook and reading defenses. It would be one thing if CRN were the only person mentioning it. But, Gold, who has no horse in the race, seems to be seeing it, too.

I’m also hoping that Crissman finally stays healthy long enough to have an impact. As someone mentioned in this thread, our QB recruits were well regarded when signed. We have really been jinxed.

This year, will be different. It has to be.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 9, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does Brehault Let That Happen

" Richard Brehaut was guilty of not reading the defense as well, knowing the playbook as well"

The QB position has been killing us…fingers crossed for KP staying healthy…

by WestlakeVillage Bruin on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Perhaps, that's why Mike Leach

does not use a playbook and teaches the QB to make a few simple reads.

Brehaut would probably have thrived at Tech while Leach was there.

And, no, this is not an an “I told you so….” post. I support CRN and want him to succeed. I’m just trying to point out that there are some QB’s who can play the game well but cannot master a difficult system.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relax bro!

He was busy playing baseball :-)

by impaulv on Aug 9, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to practice reading the defense without formal practices

Cur Bre a little slack.

I am not sure how much time he spent poring over the playbook but I doubt his baseball took away that much time

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 9, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul, I know you are somewhat joking

but, just in case you are not, he had every right to play baseball — especially because that may be the sport that offers the best path to a professional career.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 9, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Brehaut hurt his chances at QB playing baseball.

Before I heard about Brehaut playing baseball I thought he had a great chance to start at the QB position over Prince. Instead this spring he was on the UCLA baseball team and played baseball this summer and ruined his chance to have extra time to learn the playbook. I don’t know how much free time Brehaut has in a day, but when in school he obviously has to study, and over the summer he has more free time especially if he doesn’t work. If Brehaut does have a summer job this baseball thing really cuts into his free time to study the playbook. Playing baseball takes away about 3 hours to play each game plus travel time and pregame practice. Brehaut could lose 5 to 6 hours a day playing baseball. Also Brehaut plays baseball as a catcher, which is somewhat like being a baseball QB. He has to signal the pitcher on what pitch to throw and how to set up the hitter. Thus, Brehaut has to spend time studying the opposition hitters and figure how to get them out. If there are scouting reports he has to study them and get instructions from the coaches. He also has to take hitting practice. What I am trying to focus on and emphasize is that baseball could be very time consuming. Brehaut didn’t haver a clear head just for football but spent time consuming baseball as well. What did he do? Read the football playbook while in the dugout? This reminds me of an old German saying, “Die Aufteilung Ihrer Zeit zwischen zwei liebt, und Sie am Ende mit weder zufrieden.” Translation: Dividing your time between two loves, and you end up with neither satisfied.

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QW

by rustyscrew on Aug 9, 2011 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh oh. Now we're getting into the realm of German proverbs

and we all know how well that whole gotterdammerung thingie worked out for them ;)

I can see Rusty’s POV as well as 66’s POV – I guess I have no other choice than to trust CRN’s decision on this matter.

by KnudsenRockne on Aug 9, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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