The "Eye Test": Bruins’ GPA After a "Huge Win" Against San Jose State
Ooof. Writing this is going to be as fun as a root canal. I imagine eyebrows are going up by seeing the "huge win" in the title of this post. That didn't come from me. That was how Richard Brehaut and other Bruin players described the 27-17 victory against San Jose State. You can watch Rick Neuheisel's post-game presser, in which he reflected, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
I wish I didn't care but I think going through this as exercise - as painful as it is for now - will really give us some modicum of clarity based on numbers when we have to discuss big picture storylines of our program.
One of the reason I was actually looking forward to this exercise heading into Saturday night's game, was to see how our defense would respond after the shellacking it took in Houston. I thought our coaches and our players would come out with a sense of purpose and destroy the Spartans. As I mentioned in the second half thread, to make matters even more favorable, the Spartans were starting the backup quarterback (!) after their starter experienced a concussion against the Trees.
So what did we get at the Rose Bowl? Let's get to our "eye test" grade analysis after the jump.
1) Is our defense prepared for each and every team we play?
We saw a defense that once again looked slow out of the gate and frankly lethargic most of the game. We saw our DB's giving cushion to San Jose State receivers. There wasn't much containment on the sides and there were just horrid play from our linebackers including Sean Westgate, who looked out of place.
It was San Jose State that manhandled our DL in a 16 PLAY, 88 yard drive, tying up the game with a rushing TD. They embarrassed and humiliated our defense, piling up 202 rushing yards in 29 carries, averaging 7.0 yards per rushing attempt. What is so mind boggling about these numbers is that the Spartans actually run their own version of a "pistol" based offense. So it wasn't like our defenders were seeing something totally new. The Spartans finished the game almost even in TOP category and deep into Q3, IIRC they were leading in that department.
Yes, the defense got some "timely" TOs in the second half to save the Bruins from a basketball equivalent of "CSUN" or "Montana" moments, but they do not make up for the atrocious performance at the Rose Bowl. From Peter Yoon at ESPNLA (emphasis added):
UCLA will, of course, take the victory and be happy with it. UCLA fans--most of whom appear to want to stay as far away as possible from this team--won't be so happy.
And can you blame them? San Jose State, which ranked 119th out of 120 Football Bowl Subdivision teams in rushing last season, racked up 202 yards on the ground against UCLA. The last time San Jose State had 200 yards rushing came in 2009 against Cal Poly San Luis Obispo--a Football Championship Subdivision team.
The UCLA defense again struggled in key situations, allowing the Spartans to convert a third and 10, a third and seven and fourth and three and another third and seven during a scoring drive that tied the game at 7-7. The Bruins gave up a 65-yard touchdown run on a third and one that tied the score at 17-17 late in the third quarter.
Last week, I gave the Bruins a "D" in this category. I wish I could give an "F-" this week, but Mrs. N tells me that would be hyperbolic. :-) [yes, I am smiling as I type this]. So, I will go with a plain F:0.0.
2) Do we call offensive plays to catch our opponents off guard?
The answer here is a NO for last night. Oh, I get that the offense "woke up" a little in the second half, when the coaches realized (like Karl Dorrell did with Manny White out in Boulder years ago) that "oh I don't know, they could overwhelm the Spartans with a little power running game." So they finally were able to churn out yardage thanks to Derrick Coleman. But to my eyes it didn't matter all that much.
What I saw was that a San Jose State defense and a coaching staff that was more than well prepared for the Bruin offense. If not for a homerific PI call in what was clearly an uncatchable ball and a dumb roughing the passer in first half, the Bruin offense was bottled up pretty good.
You know who else thought the offense was ineffective in the first half? That would be our head coach Rick Neuheisel. Neuheisel had 0 confidence in our offense (and also 0 confidence in our defense to stop the Spartans apparently). That's why he decided to punt the ball on the Spartans' 39 yard line with a 4th and 2 in the Q1.
The F-back position was essentially non-existent. One of the times UCLA deployed Jordan James at that spot, the Spartans stayed within their assignments (may be UCLA LBs (cough*Zumwalt*cough) can watch the tape) and stuffed it.
It was clear that the Spartans were stacking the box most of the time. You'd think we'd look for big TEs in the middle early, but we find our stud TE, who had a breakout game in the first weekend till late in Q2. Of course, Randall Carroll once again (not so shockingly) was nowhere to be found in this offense. I think Brehaut may have thrown to Josh Smith once. Yeah, why bother having "speed" in this offense. Right?
The offense looked just like the one we saw last year: vanilla, boring and listless. I am going to be very generous here based on the yardage churned out by Derrick Coleman in the second half and the willingness of to go deep few times. So I will give this unit a C-:1.7. Hey, I am mellowing out here. I'd go lower. I am being nice. Really.
3) Do our players look like they know what they should be doing at all times?
Hmm. Let's see here. We had to take TO and two and half freaking minutes into the game because there was a screw up in the special teams. Our "sure handed" punt returner Taylor Embree started counting and from what I saw in TV, it looked like he realized we might not have had have either right amount of players or combination in the special teams.
freesia39 noted how we started the game with an "illegal motion." [Full disclosure - I missed the first few plays of the second half because I was more interested in watching the Michigan game at that point. I needed to do it keep myself awake because the pathetic showing at the Rose Bowl was putting me to sleep]. Then there was the Zumwalt special. An ugly personal foul which Bruin legend J.J. Stokes essentially called out as dumb and classless late in Q4 on a 4th and long, giving the Spartans unnecessary new life. Overall, the Bruins were penalized 6 times for 54 yards.
Our bigger and stronger OL looked out of sync. They were getting manhandled early by the smaller and less athletic San Jose State DL. It also looked like Brehaut was making the wrong reads.
On defense the LBers were simply atrocious. I think I have mentioned this before. Zumwalt and Westgate kept finding themselves out of position in play after play. Last week, I gave out a C- in this category, this week I will go with a D:1.0.
4) Do our players play for 60 G-D minutes every game?
The answer to this question is fairly obvious based on the responses to first three questions. This is another category the team gets an F:0.0.
5) Do our players execute?
I described above how so many times our players looked like they had no freaking idea what they were doing (in all facets of the team). Let's throw in few more data points here. I saw Brehaut (more on him later in this post) throwing behind the receivers. I saw our "sure handed" receiver Embree fumbling away the ball in what appeared to be an clear example of lack of focus.
There is one good thing I will add. I know shocking. I have a positive point! Our WRs are actually doing a better job of blocking down field. There were number of long runs during which the WRs were not only blocking the whole way down, they were doing it till the whistle. This is somewhat of an improvement from last season. I am guessing offensive coordinator, Mike Johnson, who works with the receivers, should get the some credit for this.
As Telemachus notes the performance of Kip Smith was "perfect." So we had that going for us.
I'd give the team a D- in this category. But the play of our WRs last night and performance of our FG kicker, bring up the category to a D+:1.3. Woot! Yay, for relentless optimism.
6) Do we have leaders on the field?
To me the answer is unclear here. Derrick Coleman, thankfully provided us with a much needed jolt in the second half, racking up 135 yards in 14 carries. The Jet Ski showed some signs of life in second half rushing for 81 yards in 16 carries.
We had the defensive TOs which Sean Westgate and Sheldon Prince hyped as big deals after the game. But honestly, I didn't see any leadership this team at any level. I saw a team sleepwalking like bunch of zombies. Perhaps we can't blame our players on the field too much, when their general essentially raised the white flag early in the game despite having a physically superior team, by punting the ball on the opponent's 39 yard line with just 2 yards to go.
Perhaps the most disappointing player to me in this game was Richard Brehaut. Statwise Brehaut's game was not awful. But I guess I was expecting much more. I thought this would be the game in which Brehaut would take complete control of this team and close out the case for starting QB. Instead Brehaut's mediocre performance (at best) created more ambiguity around the QB situation and vaulted an injury prone Kevin Prince right back into the starting mix for Stanford.
Oh, plus I need to mention. gbruin alluded to this in his brilliant post-game thoughts but it's worth repeating again. I don't really appreciate how our team prances around after TOs against inferior opponents, acting like they have just won a BCS game. It's incredibly classless, tacky and it reeks of a smalltime mindset of an irrelevant football program. It also shows a lack of leadership at all facets of the team. The grade for this category for this week is an F:0.0.
Final Grade Card for San Jose State Spartans
Based on the discussion here is how it shapes up:
1) Is our defense prepared for each and every team we play? [F: 0.0]
2) Do we call offensive plays to catch our opponents off guard? [C-: 1.7]
3) Do our players look like they know what they should be doing at all times? [D: 1.0]
4) Do our players play for 60 G-D minutes every game? [F: 0.0]
5) Do our players execute? [D+: 1.3]
6) Do we have leaders on the field? [F: 0.0]
San Jose State GPA: 0.67
The grade card for Houston was 2.05. So the cumulative GPA after 2 games according to our "Eye Test" is now at 1.36.
I will not offer any more commentary at this point. As I mentioned after the Houston game, I am going to wait to see how the numbers look in next few games, game by game. I don't have any hopes for Stanford game. But I am specially going to be interested in how these numbers look after the first 3 games in the Pac-12, 2 of which are now must win games for Rick Neuheisel (v. Oregon State and Washington State). At that point I think for better or rose the numbers will speak for themselves.
GO BRUINS.
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GRADING ON A CURVE
Even if you graded on a curve we would score out about this level. We looked bad in all areas of the game and we should be embarrassed – not talking about a “Huge Win”. I think that without CLEAR leadership on this team we’ll be seeing these grades for the remainder of the season. As disappointing as the Houston loss was (just like last year we could have won that game) the SJSU “win” was sick. When does women’s water polo start?
Ummm??
If the Bruins keep playing how they are, this could be yet another very long year!
by Trojanswearskirts on Sep 12, 2011 7:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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To make matters worse
this year even the WSU game will be no gimme. If you take everything above, and imagine the opposite, that would be Washington St through 2 games:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/sep/11/washington-state-unlv-football-marshal-lobbestael/
At least we have them home, for whatever that’s worth.
I called it
a couple of hours ago here.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
A few thoughts
The defense didn’t start getting physical until the second half. But more worrisome is that the aggressive calls, i.e. the blitzes, were nearly all picked up. And if they weren’t, the containment wasn’t there and the QB would sneak out. A few times, the SJSU QB had all day to throw the ball.
As for Richard Brehaut, now everyone should know why the coaches do not make him the starter. He is a gamer, and he plays hard, but he misses reads way too often. He’s not meant for this offense and wasn’t recruited for it, and neither was Prince. This is part of the reason I don’t like the pistol much, it just gets too cute sometimes, and the QB who can actually execute those reads properly is a freshman who will be redshirted.
The OL could not make holes for JetSki. That is truly worrisome. OK so we were missing our center, but Jeff Baca was back and he was all business. They had to go to a power game to just bully the mighty Spartans and that’s the only reason we won.
Finally, CRN has somehow found a way to make the Pistol predictable. SJSU snuffed out so many of our plays it was truly disheartening. True, they have the same offense so their defense is familiar, but it shouldn’t be this predictable, that’s the whole point.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Good points
The only thing I would add in slight mitigation of the ‘predictable’ point is that of all teams on our schedule, sjsu probably understands and can simulate our pistol attack the best. More troubling was how long it took us to adapt to what their defense was giving us and how our superior athletes failed to assert themselves.
by VeniceBruin on Sep 12, 2011 9:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope you're right
about them being able to simulate the pistol.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Re. Brehaut
I can’t even be mad at the kid. If he’s not playing at the level we would expect a junior to play at it’s because his first two years have been a waste.
I was listening to the AM 570 radio show before the game and they interviewed James Washington. When Richard Brehaut came up James Washington basically said that RB’s first two years were a waste because he hadn’t been properly coached and that Norm Chow didn’t coach him up at all. He said he was getting his first real coaching this year under CRN.
If RB doesn’t look ready it’s because he’s been stuck behind a guy who will never be healthy and yet has gotten every opportunity and all the coaching regardless of that fact.
Fat, dumb and stupid is no way to go through life...
Or a football season. Sorry, while reading your grades I can’t help but picture Dean Wermer saying “Neuheisel…zero point zero zero.”
by RealisticBruinFan on Sep 12, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions
Dean Wormer (isn't is with an O, not an E?) cared
That’s why he gave a zero point zero zero. Guerrero and Block don’t care. That’s what’s so sad. Guerrero didn’t care about the situation with CTS. I’m just guessing here, but CTS probably asked for a raise so he got canned for making Guerrero actually pay attention. Although if Dean Wormer were a totally passionless bureaucrat who cares only for keeping himself employed, I could see him in Morgan Center, acting like te Sergeant in “No Time For Sergeants” who just kept pleading to Will Stockdale “No waves, Will, just no waves.”
Let’s put Coach Neuheisel in the AD’s job. We know we would have passion, which is something we have missed for decades..
good, bad and ugly
The good – We Won a game we would have found a way to lose the last couple of years. The defense while not what we thought they would be stepped up the 2nd half and Bre played a steady game and displayed his stones with a nice couple of runs when we need it. He is continuing to improve and we can’t look to him for leadership when the coaching staff won’t step up and name him the starter.
The bad – defense in the 1st half, jet-ski’s fumble, ‘2 minute drill’ to end the 1st half .. we have to learn how to work the clock
the ugly .. the crowd (or shoud I say lack of crowd). We sat in lot 5 and it felt like the wait before a funeral starts …
Nicely said
I have to agree. Unfortunately the best thing about Saturday was my BBQ on the golf course.
PS: For you tailgaters, the police ARE enforcing no alcohol after kick off. They’re on bikes, in golf carts, on foot, everywhere…
by AnteatersandBruins on Sep 12, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Could you tell if they're also enforcing
the new rule about “no alcohol devices/paraphernalia” (i.e. no drinking games) during the tailgating period?
Not that I saw
didn’t see any “paraphernalia”, but our tailgate had an unnamed (but rather visible) drinking game going most of the afternoon. I think it’s a rule they can fall back on to deal with people they think may be getting out of control. Our tailgate was a relatively small group, no one was overconsuming, we weren’t blasting music, so we were left alone.
were they enforcing
‘no tents other than right behind your vehicle’?
by VeniceBruin on Sep 12, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
they have “emergency services lanes” or something to that effect painted onto the grass (in Lot H anyway) that cars/tailgate equipment cannot be set up between. Lots of security personnel on bikes patrolling the areas using those. I’d say 75% of the time I looked up I could spot one of them.
We still had enough room to set up two ez-up awnings, not sure of their exact dimensions though.
hm
in the past, we’ve set things up away from the cars, on areas they don’t use for parking (e.g. close to the bunkers and/or water hazards) – any thoughts on that?
by VeniceBruin on Sep 12, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
I was in Lot H, which I’m sure is easier for them to have a more rigid setup with defined lanes which must be kept clear, since it’s just a flat field. Someone who tailgated on the golf course will have to help you out with this one =)
Didn't see any emergency lanes
The golf course tailgating seemed to stick behind cars, but I saw a few folks gathered around trees as usual…bbq’ing with cops, by the way…
by AnteatersandBruins on Sep 13, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
They don't even know what they're doing
We set up around 2:30 and started playing “water pong.” The tailgate ambassadors came by to make sure it was water and said we were fine. This was followed by cops on golf carts who didn’t even give us a look. About 45 minutes later the ambassadors came by and said we had to stop playing. We got in a discussion with them and the guy started getting mad so we let him go. The next cop that came by we stopped to see if we could still play, letting him know that there wasn’t any beer even near the table. He said “no” because it was still a drinking game. This makes no sense. So after a little discussion, I said “ok, let’s go play cornhole. Every time you make a corn hole, the other team has to finish their beer.” He said this was fine because it wasn’t a drinking game. (Uhh i just made it a drinking game)
Furthermore we decided to play “every time the cops come by you take a drink.” 3 cops walked by and realized the game we were playing. Did they tell us to stop? No, they thought it would be funny to walk 10 feet past our tailgate and turn around 3 times! I’m glad they were encouraging us to binge drink. The chief then drove by and had a very condescending conversation with us about the beer pong in which we had’t played in at least 3 hours. As we were talking to him a football hit me in the foot, which was the spark in the knife fight last year.
The new rules are dumb. The area you have to tailgate is decreased because of the new safety lane they put in and they pretty much told us the ambassadors are too lazy to make sure we’re playing with water. However, it’s not a big deal and we can all still have fun. I think it’s more of a thing where we don’t like being told what to do and we are looking for every way to get around the rules.
by lil eg not cs on Sep 12, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
from what I saw on Sat
the “Tailgating Ambassadors” on bikes were enforcing those rules. The security (in golf carts) didn’t even look. We were playing “water pong” and one Ambassador had a relatively calm conversation with us about it. I agree with what Chris09 said as well, if you’re under control and aren’t consuming alcohol excessively, I wouldn’t expect it to be a huge issue.
Yep
they handed our group of “water pong” players a list of rules, then informed us that we’d be harassed by officials throughout the pre-game period if we kept it up.
Oh UCLA you sweet bitch, you've BRUINed me for anything else.
Unsubstantiated optimism
Given we haven’t played a home game against a team as bad as sjsu in the last two years, I don’t see how your first ‘good’ point is backed with any data; also, over the last few years we have consistently won (ugly) over the PAC’s (other) bottom-feeders. Revising the past downwards to cast the present in a favorable light is dishonest.
by VeniceBruin on Sep 12, 2011 9:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks, Nestor,
for going to the trouble of analyzing this mess. After a couple of seasons of trying to practice relentless optimism, I have fallen into shocked silence. However, I won’t belabor the obvious. We have a team that is a little worse than Houston and a little better than SJSU. Can this change? It has to, of course, but can it? Texas does give us an opportunity, because they are underachievers, too, and don’t know for sure who their QB should be. But we have blown so many opportunities to seize our chances and step up and break out of this prison of failure, futility and frustration, that my doubts are a lot stronger than my faith. But I’ll be there, in spite of that damned ear-splitting music. On another point, I too have wondered about cushions and soft coverages. Two explanations suggest themselves: slow read/react times, or actually slowness in foot speed. I exclude coaching incompetence, just because it doesn’t seem likely to me. Any comments?
Our D has looked surprisingly slow
often due to being out of place, but other times because they lag in pursuit. Kendricks played pretty well though, he should be getting better and better. It may be that the last two teams negated our pass rush, i.e. Jones and Owa, with their quick underneath passes, etc. We’ll see if that’s the case, but it’s not like this team has inspired confidence. Maybe they need to learn how to win again.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I have to say
I am in a state of shock wrt to our defensive front. I thought that was going to be out strength this year with 2 deep talent. There is certainly talent in this group. I still hope that can put it together and help get us to a strong start (that would be at least a 2-1 record) in the conference.
I guess
the jury is still out on our new DL coach…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Agreed
I thought the depth at D was going to be a strong point! Sadly i think with the way this unit is playing we could be in for a long season. A season with more than a few blow out losses.
What has happened to our program?
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.
On point as usual N
I feel like I’ve been lied to. Kind of like your boss telling you to work hard and there’ll be a promotion/position forthcoming and it never materializes. I drank and even ate the whole passion bucket because I remember what UCLA Football used to look like. Gbruin’s post was as spot on as could be (Great job by the way).
We knew the mess that CRN was walking into. His ability to restock the cupboard gave me hope. This was the year when talent + experience would merge and we’d make our move to become a relevant football program once again. I made up as many excuses possible because I wanted it so bad just like everyone else.
Unfortunately, nothing has changed. Serious teams like an Oregon after a L come home and lay a whooping. Serious teams back up their talk about returning the prestige of a program on the field. Serious teams wouldn’t dare call this W a “huge win” but would state how embarassed they were for their performance. Serious teams don’t constantly rack up flags, miss tackles, get dominated on the LOS, don’t take wrong angles, fumble, etc. Serious teams have coaches that actually scheme, make adjustments, coach and know what the hell they’re doing. Serious teams have a coach that isn’t afraid to take chances. Serious teams have a coach that doesn’t retract his statement when the team practices poorly and without focus. Serious teams have an administration that makes football a priority because it’s good business and understands its importance.
In a down year for the Pac 12, we should be making our move. Instead, I don’t see the focus and sense of urgency that is synonymous with successful programs.
Honestly I think it's been a Strategic Mistake
CRN came in and after two years decided to implement an offense with which he was not familiar, without having all the appropriate personnel. I just don’t like having it as our primary offense (if that is indeed the case).
We have enough athletes now to where we should just be able to line up and beat the guy across from us. Where are the play actions, the rollouts, etc.
It sucks being so disheartened after a victory.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
The first 3 Pac-12 games I think will give us the discernible datapoints
Oregon State and Washington State should be wins. If we take care of business in those games with a focused effort, there could be and changes in these numbers. So let’s see.
But right now Neuheisel needs to go all in. One of the reasons we were excited about him was that he had a reputation of being a “riverboat gambler” for his aggressive mindset as the HC at CU and at UDub. If he can find that mindset again, he could salvage it. I am still rooting for him. But as Tracy Pierson noted astutely in his post-game wrap this weekend, “time is running out.”
As of today
we’re not going to beat WSU. We’re going to get spanked. At home.
I’m not doing reverse mojo here. I really want everyone to be prepared. It’s going to happen.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I thought we would have an oh-fer in 2011
so this win is already more than I was expecting. That said, I truly see us running the table and finishing 1-whatever.
Unfortunately
I think CRN has drank the NFL Kool Aid. NFL is all about minimzing risk/mistakes. It is a conservative league that plays things close to the vest so that you get a chance to get the W in the 4th quarter. I think that riverboat gambler is dead.
That type of strategy doesn’t work in college. This was one of my biggest issues with KD. Kids make too many errors in college so the more aggressive you are, the more opportunities you create.
on Westgate
I feel he is like the center fielder who is positioned well enough and reads the ball well enough to just make it into a place where he can… drop a ball for an error.
By which I mean – his issues are very visible, and perhaps more visible than a player who is in the wrong place. He is not a superior physical athlete, but it seems the coaches trust him to put himself in the right positions and play with discipline – which is both useful in its own right and also means that other players aren’t having to adjust to compensate.
A lot of people have suggested Westgate should be pulled in favor of more physical guys; the performance of some of those guys on Saturday – playing with less discipline and less intelligence – explains why the coaches seem to be sticking with Westgate.
While I don’t think we can teach Westgate to be bigger, I do think the coaches ought to be able to teach other guys to play smarter, so hopefully by the end of the season we ought to have the best of both worlds. Right now, the defensive coaches don’t seem to trust some of our more talented athletes.
In the last 4 years
which players have earned the coaches’ trust after not starting?
[crickets]
No one. Except maybe Joseph Fauria. The starters are the same, the games are the same, the results are the same. They don’t develop the athletes they’ve recruited, and guys like Embree and Westgate get to keep playing.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
right; I agree
I have seen nothing that suggests the coaching staff has developed the talent.
Curious: What are other communities saying?
I don’t read them because they are not “analytic”.
Curious, other than disappointment, what is the tone? Are they shocked dogs, apologists, or ….?
sjh
Funny, we are seen as negative
But, using a grading system with expressed criteria seems very fair. And, I think being a father has made the grading a bit soft.
We have not been ugly — just frustrated.
I cannot believe we are going through this this season. All of the cards we needed were on the table. All we had to do was play them. And, we haven’t.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Sep 12, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
i grade the uniforms and F...and i do not mean F for fabulous...
ugliest looking uniforms in the PAC-12…at least oregon’s change every week…
The Players Read BN
I read one comment (I forgot from whom) who said that no matter what the people on BN say, this was a great win, or something like that. Good to know they see all this. Maybe it will sound an alarm bell.
I don't know if it was directly aimed at us.
DietrichRiley1 Dietrich Riley #1
Got the win tonight. Let’s go Bruins!!! Shout out to Bruin nation. See you at the bowl next week!!
They knew it was an ugly win, but were happy to win. The first win does lift some pressure off of you, although plenty more needs to be heaped on for improvement next week.
An attempt at playing devil's advocate
week 1 of 2010, SJSU travels to Alabama and gets steamrolled, losing 48-3. Then in week 2 they travel to Wisconsin and lose to the #11 ranked team (who ended the season 11-2 with a Rose Bowl defeat) by a score of 27-14. Not the blowout badger fans probably hoped for, but they still went on to have a pretty successful season.
Full disclosure, the SJSU/Wisconsin game was never tied, Wisconsin converted 8 of their 13 3rd downs, and didn’t give up the 2nd touchdown until late in the 4th quarter while leading by 20. They also limited the Spartans to 55 yards rushing. Oh well…I tried.
Just to clarify, I agree with the vast majority of your post, N.
Yeah, I have been thinking about that Wisconsin game as well
But honestly don’t know. Based on what I saw with my eyes, this is the best I could give – gradwise – for Sat.
I gotta say, Nestor, some of your grades made me think of Senora Ross.
Plays to catch the opponents off guard? I counted none, unless you want to say that sticking with the non-flavored gelatin game plan caught them off guard. I think your 1.7 was very, very generous. Ditto with players looking like they knew what they were doing.
That said, I think Coleman is Phi Beta Kappa material. Who knows what he will do against a real team, but at least he showed what he could do (and what everyone else should have been doing) against a team that had just been beaten by 54. He could be the leader if he would choose to be, and if the coaches would let him.
Senora Ross
would have instituted an extra credit eye-test category, evaluating their ballroom dancing skills, so that they could inflate their GPA.
Also
in 2009, SJSU get hammered 56-3 at #4 ranked U$C* in week one. The following week they lose to #17 Utah 24-14. Just another data point fyi.
by truebluebruin on Sep 12, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe not the place but going to ask ...
in the first 2 games we haven’t seen Hundley even though CRN said they had a ’special set of plays" for him. Anyone have any insight? Is his knee not healed? Is he going to redshirt ? Would seem like we would want to use every bullet in our gun at this point…
A redshirt seems more likely with each passing week
I don’t think the knee is still an issue, practice reports indicate he’s getting a significant % of 2nd team reps. Barring injury, I think the next couple of weeks will be telling of a great many things, including Hundley’s status for this year.
It looked like CRN was consoling Hundley towards the end of the game.
My thought was that the plan was to get him some action, but it didn’t happen because of the score. That’s a lot to take away from a few second long camera shot, but that was my impression.
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Isn't time running out to decide to red shirt Hundley?
If he doesn’t play because CRN settles on the Brehaut/Prince Combo… then what a waste from Hundley’s point of view. It’s gotta be a real touchy situation, especially in light of the Hundley coming to Westwood early just so he could play this Fall. Anybody know the “red shirt dealine?”
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Have To Grade Pretty Much The Same
And it’s bloody disheartening…
FWIW, I do want to see how we perform with a (pretty much) full game with KP running the show. I know a lot of people here like Brehaut very much (I like that kid, too) but I just want to see how our offense responds with KP running it for a while.
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by Minnesota Bruinfan on Sep 12, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
This is on CRN, not the players.
Their comments are simply following his lead.
The problem is the coaching, the planning, the lack of preparation or adjustments.
I will say, based on my eyeball test st the Rose Bowl, our players looked much bIgger, and slower than last year, but I don’t know how much of that is affected by poor angles, et cetera.
Again, overall, I see talented players handicapped by pedestrian play calling and playing not to lose, for the fourth year in a row. Very disappointing.
Hopefully it changes now, starting with Texas.
PS: I always thought the WSU coach was a good one. They played with heart and executed well even when they were outmanned. That game is no gimme now, for sure, unless we improve dramatically and soon.

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