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"UCLA Is Now Like The Clippers" - And Other Grumblings From The Rose Bowl

1000 words right there. Photo credit: Patroclus.

Those particular words were heard toward the end of my Saturday afternoon at the Rose Bowl, but the general language of discontent with UCLA Football and its leadership were present throughout the beatdown by the Longhorns. As the game took its course, the criticism of Dan Guererro, Rick Neuheisel and pretty much everything responsible for the current state of UCLA football was flying around my seat in Section 1-L. After making the trip down to the Rose Bowl from NorCal for my first Bruin home game in too many years (hint, my last game at the Rose Bowl, there were still people saying that Karl Dorrell could coach with a straight face), I was greeted with a sense of dissatisfaction, if not apathy for the direction of the football team that I never saw in the KD years. And that was before kickoff.

As the game went on, there was plenty of unrest from the fans around me - whether it be the early calls for Richard Brehaut to enter the game - quickly rising from isolated yells for a change to a sustained chant of "Brehaut, Brehaut" after Kevin Prince's 3rd Int - to frustration with the lack of fundamentals and unevolving strategy by the defense, and a general sense that the Rick Neuheisel era at UCLA is coming to an end. Our own questioning of whether Dan Guerrero should be the person to make the next hire after two football coaches have gone down under his watch was echoed from walking through the golf course en route to the game to the postgame call-in show during the drive out of Pasadena. Whether that many people attending games are reading BN, or talking to people who do, or are coming to their conclusions on their own, it remains that the fans - paying customers at that - of the team are losing confidence in the leadership of the football team and of the athletic department. For many, that confidence is already lost and unlikely to return without dramatic action.

I suppose that I could have guessed that things were going wrong in Pasadena while heading to the Rose Bowl earlier in the morning. While a friend and I drove in, there was a noticeable lack of traffic. While usually the complete absence of a wait to enter a stadium parking lot would be a great thing, there is a problem when the Bruins are playing a marquee opponent, and getting into the golf course during prime tailgating time is faster than a navigating a McDonalds drive thru. To be fair, the Texas state fair/alumni party might have kept some folks away. I know that I was hesitant to stick around when their MC asked if any Garth Brooks fans were around. With that said, tailgating at the Rose Bowl, particularly on the golf course is one of the best ways to spend a Saturday. I know that time and distance had made me forget how great it really is; as bad as the rest of the afternoon became, there is a good chance that I will be making the trip again this fall, in large part because of that part of the UCLA Football experience.

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Nestor noted the lackluster attendance in his postgame post, but it really does bear repeating. Only 54,583 people showed up to the Rose Bowl to see the Bruins take on Texas. That includes by my estimate ~ 15,000 Texas backers. Factoring in the visiting support, that is no greater number of Bruins than came to watch the near-disaster against San Jose State. The low turnout in the opener, while disappointing at least can claim the excuse of being a late-evening game against an undesirable opponent. Saturday saw the Bruins playing one of the storied programs in college football (that while coming off a weak season, brought a talented young - and ranked - squad to Pasadena), on a beautiful afternoon with great weather to tailgate and watch a game. While the start of classes will allow more students to travel to the Rose Bowl in the coming weeks, there is no such influence on the alumni base and other Bruin Football fans in Southern California to keep buying tickets and showing up to games.

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While the decline of UCLA Football is a tragedy in its own right, what needs to be remembered is the financial impact that Football revenue has on the rest of the university's athletic programs. We have written on this topic in the past, and the lessons have not changed. During the years of football mediocrity under Karl Dorrell and now Rick Neuheisel, UCLA has seen ticket sales and overall revenues plateau, and begin to decline while the average price of a ticket increases and (despite the financial difficulties faced by many universities) money has poured into college athletics.

With the mediocre play on the field together with the carelessness on the sideline and inside Morgan Center, Los Angeles is tuning out the Bruins. The bandwagoners left the Rose Bowl some years ago, but now even the alumni and lifelong fans are starting to stay home and turn in their season tickets (or sell them to fans of the opposition). Morgan Center and UCLA Football has reached a fork in the road, and must make a choice: do they break with the dysfunction of the recent past and present, realizing that dramatic action is needed to get the program back in the right direction and investing in the resources to make it happen. Or will Dan Guererro, Gene Block and the rest of the UCLA administration be happy to present the Clippers of college football, a program which is not only becoming an afterthought both in college football circles and in Los Angeles itself, but thanks to the revenue lost by circling the drain, will drag the fortunes of our non-revenue sports down with it.

What will it be, Dan and Gene?

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A sobering analysis...

very well articulated and so very unfortunately true. Never thought the BRUINS would ever be compared with the also ran clippers. But what do you expect with 10 plus years of incompetence.

by GogetemBruins on Sep 19, 2011 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Clippers is a step above what that hack Mark May had to say after the game

The ESPN “analyst” was so embarrased for having picked UCLA to win that he suggested the Pac-12 drop UCLA and add Boise State.

by bornagainbruin on Sep 19, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

it’s funny embarrassing for ESPN that their “analysts” don’t understand that football isn’t the primary reason why a team is a member of the Pac 12. In fact, I would argue that it’s third at best, behind academic/research status and overall athletic programs. And it may not even be third, i just don’t know enough to say what else would be ahead of it. But I’m glad you look into things before you talk, Mark.

by bucknellbruin on Sep 19, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he was joking

nothing like good ’ole hyperbole

"A legend is an old man with a cane known for what he used to do. I'm still doing it." Miles Davis

by milesdavis93 on Sep 19, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mark May? Nope - he's too serious for that

May is one of the reasons I never have the sound on for sporting events. He is the biggest blowhard I have ever heard. In fact, he defines blowhardity. (If that’s not an official word, it should be, if only to be used to describe Mark May.)

I think he stays on whatever show he’s on because he is SO SERIOUS about what he says that people just assume he’s actually accurate. And as pointed out here, he’s rarely accurate.

The guy sets the standard for blowhardity, but alas he has only achieved a tie for first in douchebaggery (tied with dozens and dozens of ESPNers).

by Fox 71 on Sep 19, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll never be a Jim Healy

Here’s a site I found saluting the best of Healy’s soundbites:

www.johnspeedie.com/healy/​healybytes.html

by bruinhawk on Sep 20, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Site doesn't work.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Sep 20, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

argh!! which goes to show how bad I am at cut and past links.

The site is there if you google it and you can listen to the most memorable soundbytes Healy accumulated. Wish he were still around. PM drive time just hasn’t been the same.

by bruinhawk on Sep 20, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

In Mark May's World

which is athletics, it is only appropriate that he would reference football. I don’t think anybody ever, ever thinks about scholastic achievement when you mention Pac-12 or for that matter Big-10. I’ll bet if you asked 100 people, 95 of them would never mention scholastic achievement in association with the assorted confrences. Given the exhibition of football we’ve shown in the past 6 or 7 years he’s not far off.

by Raybru on Sep 19, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCLA AD

The UCLA AD proved to be a genius with his statement today regarding conference expansion.

Love the Clippers reference, sounds pretty accurate. Who would have thought that Bruin fans would wish Bob Toledo was still coaching?

by TheRaj on Sep 19, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Let me get out ahead of the excuse monkeys

who will point out that the Rose Bowl is 20 miles from campus, classes haven’t started yet, we needs a on-campus stadium, blah blah blah. Fact: when our program was relevant, we were regularly putting nearly double the amount of butts in seats to watch games of this magnitude, and that includes when we played home games at the Crapiseum. Fact: put a decent product on the field, people will show up and spend money. Fact: the bumbling, stumbling Ricksters aren’t worth wasting any money or time to watch, even in one of the most storied, majestic, and beautiful venues in the country, and it’s apparent that many alumni/students/supporters have come to this realization. Fact: there are no marquee opponents of this magnitude left on our home schedule, and as long as Rick is moping and floundering along the sidelines, 54 K fans will likely be on of our highest attendance figures of the year.

by Blue Me on Sep 19, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

+100

I totally agree. Before watching the first two games of the season I sent several emails to friends (mostly alumni) in the hope of getting a big group together to spend the day at Rose Bowl. At one point there were so many interested that we considered hiring someong to help set up a tent, etc. (We all have kids and little time.) However, after watching the first two games interest in attending the “Texas Massacre” came to a skreeching halt. No one could justify, nor wanted, to spend $50 – $100 on a ticket to watch a subpar football team get demolished. At the end of the day four of us went to a buddy’s house. We watched the first half and by the time we went down again by three scores, two of us had left. In speaking with my friends that day we were all relieved to have not had wasted the money or the day watching our team beloved team lose. I have considered purchasing season tickets for the last five years and always just stop short of doing so because the product on the field is just not worth buying right now.

by pUSCies on Sep 19, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that feeling.

I remember buying tickets to movies that were horrible, and wondering how I could get that part of my life back. I’m happy to say that I am now seeing movies on TV that for one reason or another I passed up instead of buying the ticket. In 99% of the cases, I’m so pleased to have saved the money.

I can’t imagine spending significant money on tickets to see this team play this way. I know Mrs. Fox 71 wouldn’t attend, and I couldn’t blame her. I know that if I went, I wold get “The Look” for several days, and I couldn’t blamer for that either.

It’s getting to be like a bad elementary school play. The kids moms and dads come to watch, and are happy to see their kids enjoying themselves. But that’s it. A bad elementary school play isn’t going to pull in a big walk in crowd. The elementary school alumni have other interests, such as junior high dances and things. And the fact of the matter is that the elementary school play just isn’t very good.

That’s the product we’re getting. There is no incentive to pay an enormous amount of money to see a bad elementary school play unless you’re a mom or dad, and I’m not.

by Fox 71 on Sep 19, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

CRN is DONE unless attendance starts picking up

And it wont with the disgusting product on the field.

I posted in the pregame thread that there was no traffic 2 hours before the game nor anyone in Lot I. The attendance was way down from 2 years ago.

There was plenty of grumbling in section 4 which should really matter to the administration.

If I remember it right, Cheaty Petey was worth 40,000 extra fans per game to the Evil Empire (the difference in average attendance while he was there vs the prior years). The financial impact of the horrid product we put on the field (product, not ingredients….the players are not to blame and they will have my full support always).

There is no choice. We can not afford not to change things.

by Bruin Dad and Grad on Sep 19, 2011 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree!

I will always support the players even if I’m one of 10,000 left still sitting at the Rose Bowl. But we definitely need a change and it needs to start at the top!!!

by IslndBruin on Sep 19, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least the Clippers are exciting to watch

Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon, and I wish Baron Davis were still with them too…

by BruinEngy on Sep 19, 2011 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

This feels like a bad dream

You know your going through tough times when your girlfriend (who is just getting familiar with the sport) tells you it feels like someone has died wh(definately reffering to me moping around).I’ve never left a game early n wen i did on saturday it was a big shock to my family being a die hard and all i guess enough is enough.I’m tired of making excuses and being laughed at by everyone who knows sports.Being a pushover school is so disheartening.

by antedgex24x on Sep 19, 2011 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I had to leave early too...

It just hurt too much…

Having said that, I think we must make sure that we attend as many of the next few home games as possible, cuz if not us, then who??

We here at Bruin Nation are among the most diehard Bruins possible! If we don’t support our team in this, our darkest time, then I can’t imagine anyone else doing so… I’ve already talked to friends who tailgated with me at Texas game, and hell, at least we did our job with an outstanding tailgate, and they’re looking forward to our next home game! I can personally guarantee minimum ten people coming to the next home game!

How about any other Bruin Nation people?October 8 against Wazzu! Let’s get it going on!!

Damn, me as a freakin’ cheerleader— whoda thunk??

by BruinBaller88 on Sep 19, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

^^ Post fail.... ^^

This is far too Pollyanna and probably unrealistic…

I tried to delete above post, but don’t know how :-(

Just ignore it… kind of a kneejerk reaction that says a lot of nothing…

by BruinBaller88 on Sep 19, 2011 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

There is no delete button, for you.

But that’s ok. Because we need the diehard fans to support the program and the kids and to demand change where it is required. I don’t think those two are mutually exclusive.

I don’t think silence will effect change.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Sep 19, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see how it goes in the next two

games before I consider getting in on that campaign. If they go badly, RNs future should be sealed. If he redeems himself, amazingly, he might buy himself the rest of the season, if he , again amazingly, beats the Lame and his Trogans and, amazingly, gets the Bruins into a decent bowl game that doesn’t feature near freezing conditions.

by bruinhawk on Sep 20, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Warned you before

and I’m warning you again. Stop spamming.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Sep 20, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

…this drop in attendance is a blessing in disguise…maybe, just maybe…once they actually see a revenue drop on paper—when they have to start making cuts to budgets—that’s when they will pull their head out there asses and remember that football brings home the bacon…
Until then I dont know what else is going to shake these people. It’s funny; you would think that other coaches in our other sports at UCLA would have more of a push for football because it pays there bills…i guess it hasn’t sunk in yet…

by Bruin_jim on Sep 19, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, its said money talks, so if a severe revenue drop is seen on paper,

they’ll have to improve on football. Gotta have it to stay in the PAC-12, 20, or whatever it ends up eventually being.

by bruinhawk on Sep 20, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

@Patroclus

I was in the same section. And from the looks of your photo, you were down and to the right of me. Those chants for Bree-Haut! Bree-Haut! were coming from us.

We seem to have had similar days. We lost the game, but won the tailgating. We had a great time out on the golf course hanging out and cooking stuff up. We played host to a group of Longhorns. We left after the end of the 3rd quarter and went back and tail gated for another couple of hours while everybody left. We actually stayed until the Rose Bowl police came round and told us they would be closing soon. We had a really good time; tailgating.

the game itself not so much.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Sep 19, 2011 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Tickets

Earlier this year in a random grouping I was placed in a golf foursome with an older man who noticed my ucla headcover and asked me if I was a bruin fan. I told him I was a grad class of 1985 and he replied he was class of 1958. He asked about football and I told him I was thinking of not renewing my season seats and he went off on me and started yelling "don’t do it don’t you become one of those guys. Are you a bruin or not? I renewed and while unhappy w the coaching I am still there to wear my blue and support my school because as this random meeting reminded me I am a Bruin!

by uclarry on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly right!

Support our school and all of its athletic teams – win or lose! We are still BRUINS for life!

by Forever a Bruin on Sep 21, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

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