Does UCLA Football's Culture of Mediocrity Have Effects in the Classroom?

For years, UCLA football fans faced with diseased culture of mediocrity have been able to console themselves that at least UCLA's academics are better than USC's. That may have been the case years ago, but lately, UCLA's academic standing has remained relatively stagnant, while USC's has improved. While this notion may be an anathema to some, it's worth wondering whether USC's football success (although it was more professional football than collegiate) contributed to USC's improved academic standing. More after the jump.
Under the leadership of Steven Sample, USC rose from 41st in the US News & World Report rankings in 1999 to 27th in 2008 and 26th in 2010, Sample's last year. USC is now ranked 23rd, ahead of UCLA at 25. Yes, these ratings are controversial and can be gamed, but it seems clear that USC had a goal of improving its standing in these rankings and was able to do so. This is important because it definitely plays a major role in the consciousness of high school students deciding where to apply for admission and ultimately, attendance:
So to the story headline, what's beyond football. Well, it's no accident that once SUC started winning, their academic rankings have shot up. I know, it's disputable, but you can't deny they're making a move.
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Working within the school system, I can assure you that SUC's popularity among teachers and counselors have gone up dramatically. Countless high school students are being encouraged to apply year after year, something that was exclusive to UCLA. I know, most counselors are clueless and don't know better, but again, it affects our rankings (which no matter how meaningless to us, it matters to the donors and alumni).
UCLA's US News ranking has been essentially stagnant at 25 or 26 since 1999. UCLA was ranked as high as 16 and 17 in 1990 and 1991, but has not approached that level in recent years.
An interesting note is that USC's rise in the rankings coincided with the end of UCLA's 8 game winning streak in the battle for the Victory Bell. UCLA has only won the bell once since 1999. Meanwhile, USC's football program was also improving (with the help of numerous NCAA violations, of course) as USC's records from 1999 to 2010 were 7-5, 5-7, 6-6, 11-2, 12-1, 13-0* (not taking into account vacated games), 12-1*, 11-2, 11-2, 12-1, 9-4, and 8-5. During the same time period, UCLA was 5-6, 6-6, 7-4, 8-5, 6-7, 6-6, 10-2, 7-6, 6-7, 4-8, 7-6, 4-8.
What's the point of all this? Is there a correlation between the football performance of the two schools and their academic performance? What seems indisputable is that USC made a concerted effort to improve its standing on the football field and in the academic reputation of the school, and succeeded in achieving winning football records and improvement in the US News rankings. Moreover, studies have suggested that athletic success increases applications for admission as much as a 2-8 percent increase for the top 20 football schools and top 16 basketball schools:
Fraternal researchers Jaren and Devin Pope recently completed their study of the impact of college sports success on admissions, finding that the number of applications increases between 2 percent and 8 percent for the top 20 football schools and top 16 basketball schools each year.
The variation in the percentages can be attributed to the schools' rankings in their respective sports. For example, the team finishing first in either sport will likely experience the 8 percent applicant pool increase, whereas the schools finishing 16th or 20th will see the 2 percent rise.
So it's worth questioning whether the diseased culture of mediocrity in the athletic department and of the football program share common underlying causes with the stagnation of UCLA's standing int he US News Rankings. Don't get me wrong, UCLA's academics are decidedly not mediocre. Indeed, by many measurements, UCLA's academics remain well ahead of USC's.
UCLA placed 12th in the prestigious Academic Ranking of World Universities issued last month by the Center for World-Class Universities at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, one spot higher than last year. UCLA's position as the second-highest ranked public university was unchanged.
Washington Monthly rated UCLA second, up one spot from last year, in its annual rankings, which came out in August.
For example, Forbes ranks UCLA at 55 and USC at 165 (for comparison, Cal was 70). However, the same mentality that severely handicaps the football program seems to be undermining the university's ability to improve its standing in some of the influential college rankings. The bottom line is that the administration can no longer pat itself on the back and reassure itself that UCLA's undeniable academic standing justifies mediocrity on the football field.
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Will have to see if USC can sustain it in the classroom
They splashed a lot of money out on hiring some big name academics (I have a history background, and in the middle of the last decade, they raised the profile of their history department with some big hires). I don’t know if they’ve maintained that, and if they’ll be able to keep their academic departments at the same level going forward. Their film school is set, with the deep pockets of Lucas, Speilberg, and Zemeckis, and they also get a lot of funding from the military for digital battle simulations.
But with the economic downturn, USC’s endowment has taken a hit. And on the same day that Standard & Poor downgraded the USA’s credit ranking, they did the same for USC (this almost went unnoticed). Scroll down at this link to August 8:
Standard & Poor’s has downgraded University of Southern California bonds to AA from AA+ because of a growing debt burden. "The lowered ratings are based largely on our view of the rapid issuance of debt on the heels of two hospital acquisitions, the operations of which are not profitable, nor are expected to be for several years," S&P said. USC is getting ready to sell $300 million of taxable bonds. (Moody‘s Investors Service still rates the bonds Aa1 with a stable outlook.) "With this issuance, the university will have more than doubled its debt in the last three years (fiscals 2008 through 2010)," S&P said. However, USC’s "resources (both cash and investments and expendable resources) have not grown at a similar pace, and corresponding ratios have actually decreased over that time."
by Westwood Wizard on Sep 27, 2011 10:13 AM PDT reply actions
Century Bonds
My financial adviser brought up that SC & a few other institutions are thinking about or in the process of issuing 100 yr bonds.
Discounting the fact that I’d never live to cash it in, I told him to never again suggest that I invest in SC :-P
by impaulv on Sep 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bravo
Success on the football field creates excitement regarding the school as a whole. It creates future donors who are passioned followers of both the school and the football program. What we have now is a large group of alumni who have never seen UCLA even compete for a Pac-10 title. How often do co-workers slam UCLA alums for the pathetic program we now have? What does this create? Less passioned alums. This leads to less donors for the school all together. It destroys networking, which is one of the main claims to attend USC.
The administration, headed by Chancellor Block, must realize that football can be a strategic ally to the entire school.
by JohnstownBruin on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Athletics as an Ally to academics
JB, you have hit a target near and dear to my heart – how can the UCLA admin leverage athletic success into overall success in the school.
We have to be careful that our athletic ally has something to offer UCLA: there’s a 2-8% bump in applications to school’s with ranked teams, meanwhile applications to UCLA increased 6% from 2010 to 2011. We get more than 80,000 undergrad applications! http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/applications-for-fall-2011-hit-191026.aspx
Play with so much passion nothing else matters
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Athletic performance absolutely makes a difference in people’s perception of the school as a whole. Increasingly often people will make fun of UCLA’s football team when they see me wearing some Bruin gear and this doesn’t just happen on Saturday’s during the football season.
I am a 2nd generation Bruin and one of the reasons I chose to attend UCLA instead of other schools was its athletic success at the time and my Dad telling me how 6 Saturdays a year my classmates and I could have a mini-reunion at the Rose Bowl. Our current administration ignores the idea that a university must sell the entire college experience which includes going to football games. Notre Dame gets it, Texas gets it, even Duke gets it with Basketball but why doesn’t Chancellor Block understand?
Our financial struggles of late have held us back; we are fortunate that we haven't dipped in the rankings.
Select graduate programs have increased tuition costs strikingly, hurting UCLA’s reputation of most value in degree per dollar spent.
Meanwhile, great Professors have been found redundant, and often times find jobs across town. I have seen academic recruits opt for other schools purely on cost issues. Our facilities are often subpar. Students and professors make the school, and we are losing some of the best.
Sidenote: Maybe there’s something to USC Football’s model. USC made $7.6 million (net profit) on football in 2007-08.
Take PRIDE in EVERYTHING that you do...
I don’t understand why the administration can’t see that????
Nothing says Research Dominance, Professorial Dominance, Academic Dominance, Graduate and Undergraduate Student Dominance...
… like Football and Basketball dominance. Love it. If I’d seen that connection 30 years ago, I woulda put myself on Chancellor Track. Darn it! I am the singular cause of our current woes. lol. Come to think of it, our First to 100 likely plays into overall school achievement than most of us perhaps have ever given credit to. Yet… I’m now puzzled about our Big Sister, Cal. We’re the best public schools in the Country… yet… Cal athletics? Hmm. Great Post.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight! Go Bruins!
Go Lakers! Go Dodgers! Go Angels!
Does our performance in football affect academics and admissions?
… no. A relevant football or basketball team certainly improves our national exposure, but far more important to the vast majority of high school students is academics, location, and cost. Every year UCLA has more applicants than any other school in the country, I’m not worried that the rut our football team has been in the last decade will affect that. Right now the greatest threat to UCLAs academic standing is the budget shortfall at the state level. As much as I would love to see us play competitive football at the Rose Bowl, I can’t blame Chancellor Block prioritizing athletics far behind our budget and tuition issues.
by UclaCompSci08 on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe there is a causal relationship between athletics and academics
Yes, there is a correlation between USC’s rise in academic rankings and football program, but correlation does not imply causation.
If a football program winning causes a school’s academics to rise, then Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida should all be in the same caliber. But they are not.
If it wasn’t for football nobody would even know about Oklahoma, Ohio State and Florida. If it wasn’t for football Auburn would be just another school in the south not much different from Troy University, but instead it has a national exposure. Winning programs are worth tens of millions in free advertising to a university. When I lived in DC I would see how a winning football program was able to keep their alumni active and involved, all the Texas people loved getting together to watch games which led to improved networking which led to alumni getting better jobs and opportunities which in turn helps the schools reputation. It is all connected and it all matters.
Okay...
Free advertising to those schools…but what does that have to do with their academic performance? I’m not sure you want to be making an argument about academic excellence and football and bring up Florida.
by Westwood Wizard on Sep 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
To test this claim we just need to make a scatter plot of college rankings vs FB & BB team rankings.
Play with so much passion nothing else matters
by KnudsenRockne on Sep 27, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
mmm...
I don’t know if that would help much unless it’s done over time, i.e. if there are a lot of schools whose academic ranking has improved with a rise in FB and BB rankings. Unfortunately, there is no control…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
The only true test is to ...
simply win the Natinal Championship in Football 4 yrs in row and see if our academic standing rises.
Got that Rick? Gene? Dan? Bueller?
More Applicants vs. Better Applicants
I won’t argue that football success does not equate to more applicants. However, it’s less clear to me that more applicants necessarily means better applicants. As far as I can tell, there are two most likely scenarios: (1) the applicants are equivalent to the applicant pool as a whole; or (2) the applicants are worse than the rest of the applicant pool.
At first glance, theory 1 may seem more likely. However, I’m not convinced that’s the case. Students are probably more likely to seriously investigate schools realistically in reach (even if a stretch) than schools that are either below or above the caliber of school that the applicant expects to attend. If this is true, then seeing UCLA on football rankings and on tv should have a stronger effect on students outside of UCLA’s range than it would on UCLA’s typical applicant, who should already know about the school from researching colleges, making theory 2 the more likely scenario.
In short, I’ve never been convinced that there’s a link between football success and academic success. It’s hard for me to see one given the very few successful football teams found in the US News top 50, and the few academically strong schools known for football.
Thanks for the enlightening comment
Care to elaborate?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Just a bit of comparison
This year is Oregon’s highest average entry GPA, and the year before that was a significant upgrade from the previous year. Football drives the “brand,” at least up here in Eugene.
@joshschlichter
by Josh Schlichter on Sep 27, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions
Interesting
If Oregon’s experience is typical of other schools, this seems to refute literally everything I wrote above. Thanks for the info.
I can see an excellent sports program moving your academic reputation
from 100th to 50th In that range most universities do not have specific academic name recognition (beyond their local setting), and improving your name recognition generally means more exposure, more applicants, and a better pool.
In contrast, in the past few years UCLA has had stellar applicant pools, with accepted students having very high GPAs, very high SAT scores, and very strong extracurriculars. Universities considered better than us by your average applicant include: Harvard, Stanford Princeton, Yale, Caltech, MIT, Johns Hopkins. Universities that we compete with include: Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Cal, Brown, Carnegie Mellon, Michigan, Duke.
At this level it is the rare applicant that would have their choice dictated by the state of the basketball or football program. It is also the rare applicant from California that is academically qualified for UCLA but forgets to apply (especially considering all the UC applications are in one). I can see a national applicant thinking of UCLA more, but our academic standards are higher for national applicants too (and our first-year tuition closer to a private school), which means we truly would be competing with an entire gamut of great schools.
Here's my opinion, with zero science involved, but with quite a few decades of observation.
Up until four or so years ago, there was no Bruins Nation. The only places you could get together with your best friends from school was at the games. When those games were exciting, and when the teams were competitive, it was easy to create reasons to devote the scarce resources of a recent graduate to Bruin sporting events. That was pretty much it. And it mattered. It mattered in every sense of the word. I was on Jeopardy in 1978, and I mentioned UCLA football during the introductions because it mattered. Bruin athletics were fun.
Now, two things have happened. In 30 plus years, we have become not just a bad team, and a non-competitive team, we have become a boring, irrelevant, mediocre team. This team excites no passion. No one on Jeopardy invites all his friends and classsmates and Bruins generally to tailgate before a game. We just are irrelevant. I no longer live within traveling reach of UCLA football, but if UCLA played USF here in Tampa, I don’t think I would allocate my resources to attend, because the Bruins are for all intents and purposes irrelevant. We are basically only a statistic in a good team’s winning record.
That’s not the team’s fault or the coach’s fault. In the last 30 plus years, we have had many coaches and many, many more players. I blame the institution. UCLA as an institution is a reflection of those who run the institution. and those people apparently never went to football games. They never were able to look forward to hearing the band marching into the Rose Bowl or the Crapaseum. Ten years after I graduated, I still saw people I knew from school at the Crapaseum, and I looked forward to that. But apparently the school leadership never had and never appreciated that experience. I don’t say they are against it, just indifferent to it. John the Apostle talked about how a lukewarm church would be spit out, and that’s what our administration has done to the athletic part of the UCLA student experience over the past 40 years. I am happy to say that I will have shuffled off this mortal coil before the administration will be able to do much more to ruin Bruin athletics.
I don’t really care what some school administrator does to get one school or another more ratings points in some magazine poll. That’s about as relevant as being named as “Outstanding this” or “Newcomer to Watch” in some magazine which will name you to that list as long as you pay enough. I don’t care whether our applicants are the top 10% or something else. What I care about is the school I attended and loved, and the experiences I had there that I loved (yeah, and those other ones, too.) Our administrators will never know the euphoria of Beban to Altenberg for the TD and the 20-16 win in 1966. They will also never know the bitter disappointment of a horrible defeat. They will stay lukewarm, knowing that in academia, lukewarm is perfect and is never spit out. Their lack of passion and vision is killing UCLA for the students. I know that would never be admitted now – I couldn’t compete against the new applicants, but I don’t know that I would really want to go to this version of UCLA. It’s not the UCLA I attended, and that’s a fact.
It’s up to the kids to change things. Ways to get things done exist. This blog, which substitutes for the weekly gathering of friends at the Rose Bowl for many of us, is one way to get things done. I don’t think anyone will change the way the terribly misguided and totally lukewarm athletic and university administration sees things, but I may well be wrong. Without all the social media, a young guy named Mario Savio changed things forever in the mid-60’s, and he did it by the force of his personality, as far as I can determine. He started the Free Speech Movement at Cal, and it changed things.
Is there anyone with passion at UCLA? Is there anyone who will take action that will cause my alma mater to spit out the lukewarm bodies who are single handledly making UCLA an irrelevant institution? I’m not talking about a stern note of protest. I’m talking about organizing. Who is going to organize the walkout at the Rose Bowl, or at Pauley? Who is going to organize the boycott of whatever has to be boycotted to get someone to notice?
Or maybe do nothing. But if you do nothing, in my view you forfeit your right to complaint about Guerrero or Block.
I yield my remaining time on the soap box in front of Kerckhoff, which, by the way, did not exist until the UCLA version of the Free Speech Movement got it established.
I don't think there's a direct link
between academic and athletic success. That is, I don’t think that either one really drives the other. That said, I do think they are both affected by the same external forces.
I wrote last year about apathy at an institutional level, and I continue to see it even after I’ve left. I was home last weekend, only a couple hours away from Westwood, and my little sister (a high school junior) went to a local college fair. She came back with two disturbing things:
1) A “Guide to U$C” that she brought me as a rude joke.
2) The news that UCLA was NOT in attendance.
Two hours away, and there is NOBODY from UCLA there to represent the school, and try to attract the best students from my hometown? I get the feeling that UCLA is just resting on it’s laurels – and those laurels aren’t what they used to be…
sounds like
UCLA academics is holding on to the “most applicants” talk much like athletics is still holding on to the “first to 100”.
Maybe UCLA feels like they already get plenty of applicants and are allready ultra compettitive and therefore don’t need to spend resources trying to lure applicants to UCLA. Don’t agree with it if that is the case.
Even if we have the most applicants, only 37% who were admitted actually enrolled. Our most qualified admits have tons of top tier choices to attend and a winning sports program is just one more thing to draw them to UCLA. Maybe it’s just me but every time I hear about a kid who chose to attend USC over UCLA I can’t help but think that their football results and (overblown) stories of their alumni network played a big part. The students want to be part of something BIG and for the last decade u$C has done a better job of cultivating that image beginning with their football program and continuing with their orchestrated rise up the US News Rankings.
If there was a link, Harvard would be winning national championships
I think UCLA’s relative academic stagnation has more to do with the state of California’s finances. (Prop 13, anyone?) And, of course, UCLA’s relatively small endowment. It’s pretty hard for a public school to break into the top twenty academically, anyway. The highest ranking public school right now is Berkeley at no. 21.
Am i reading you right Mr.Potts???
Prop 13 is culpable for Californias financial demise???
I have strong feelings on that, as you may as well...
…and they can be discussed elsewhere. Let’s keep BN politics-free. There are likely some Fox News fans here. There are likely some card-carrying ACLU members here. There are likely some libertarians here, and probably quite a few people who just don’t give a crap. We all get along, and it should stay that way.
Odds are, at least a few of the BN members whose posts and comments I am always eager to read have different political views than I. So be it.
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
I used to be a card carrying UCLA member
but I burned my card during the Reign of Error under CTS.
Oh, wait.
It's ok with me and I understand...
I would never bring it up because I also wish to seperate the two distinct areas. It was inccorporated into the whole Athletic/Administration discussion and thus the “Door was opened”.
Thanks for admonishment…it will be respected.
Students know
that it is easier to get into $c than UCLA and they will have to work a lot less to get that degree at $c. A friend of mine went to UCLA undergrad and graduated and then went to $c grad. school because he knew he would have to work less to get his grad. degree at $c. He said that he had to work so hard at UCLA to get his degree. He is at $c right now and says that he hasn’t had to do much to get a good grades. I am just repeating what he said.
by Forever a Bruin on Sep 30, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions

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