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Mazzone Offense - Dropback Passing

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So far I have posted about spread philosophy, the base zone key run/quick screen concept, snag, screens, and the quick passing game, and offensive adjustments (protecting the base concepts). That's enough to get the base stuff going, and it can be enough to put together some drives. Last components, X's and O's-wise, are the dropback passing game and the short-yardage game.

Many of the passing concepts used by ASU last season were fairly standard across college football - nothing groundbreaking or overly complicated. Like Air Raid teams, ASU liked to run plenty of shallow crossing routes, which helps to spread defenses across the field.

Unlike Air Raid teams, I wouldn't consider ASU a pass-first team. They threw it around when the ground game wasn't working, but their bread and butter stuff seemed to be the stuff I've covered so far - when they had problems running, like against Oregon and especially Boise State in the bowl game, they usually struggled. They seemed to want to work the inside run and the quick outside screen, and take a few shots downfield when the defense focused on stopping the short stuff. Osweiler generally wasn't putting the ball up in the air more than 30-35 times a game, and many of those passes were things like quick screens or short passes.

I don't have a lot on Mazzone's downfield passing game as TV camera angles are usually too tight to see receivers downfield, but I'll go into detail on a few.

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Shallow

Mazzone's got a sample presentation detailing how he teaches shallow and drive on his website (scroll down to where it says, "The Technology Advantage of the Nzone Spread Offensive System"). I'll just go off his presentation and break things down a little further.

Shallow ("shack" in Mazzone's terminology) is a high-low concept that attacks the linebackers over the middle with a shallow crossing route going one way combined with a "dig" route (square-in route at about 10 yards) behind it. If the defense wants to jump the short routes, they'll leave open a deeper route going the other direction behind them. Or, if they drop deep and take the dig, they'll leave a void underneath.

The rules are: The WR indicated on the playcall runs the shallow cross. So "F Shack" means that the F receiver runs the shallow. The other receiver to his side runs an outside fade down the sideline. The opposite slot WR runs the dig route at 10-12 yards, and the opposite outside receiver runs the skinny post. The back is hot out of the backfield on the swing.

The call, listed on his presentation, is "Dual Right Hot Ron F Shack". Dual Right is probably the formation, most likely dual WRs to each side, and the formation is set to the right, so X and F go left, while Y and Z go right. Hot Ron is most likely the protection, I'm guessing "Hot" protection is 5-man protection, and "Ron" designates protection set to the right, so if the defense rushes six, the back or the shallow are "hot" - the OL picks up the 5 rushers to the right and the 6th rusher to the left is negated by the throw to the hot receiver. F Shack is the play call - "F" is the slot WR, and "Shack" is shallow cross, so F runs the shallow cross and the rest of the receivers follow the rules in the paragraph above. Formation, any motions, protection, play, and then any additional tags - it's a lot simpler than whatever Jon Gruden is saying here (keep in mind what Cam Newton says - "simplicity equals fast" - for when I get to tempo).

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Against a press look with no safeties back, the QB peeks at the fade in man coverage, and against cover 4, the QB peeks at the post (the safety would rob the dig route, leaving the post open in this case). Again, against blitz, the QB is looking to throw hot. Otherwise, the QB is looking at shallow right away to throw on the plant. If it's open, the QB hits shallow for 4-5 yards with a chance for more. Otherwise, he hitches up to reset and looks for the dig which should be open behind whoever covered the shallow. If it's not there, the QB starts moving out of the pocket and throws on the run to the back on the swing.

You can see in Mazzone's presentation that he has "Dual Left Hot Ron Z Shack" - same concept, different look. Formation is flipped this time and Z runs the shallow. As an outside WR runs the shallow, the slot to his side runs a corner instead of a fade - it's still attacking the same area of the field, so same reads for the QB. You can flip the protection and release the back to the other side, you can change the protection, you can motion a receiver from trips into "Dual", you can "tag" a receiver's route to make an adjustment if you see a weakness in coverage - it's a flexible system and players don't have to remember what route you run for every specific play...they just need to memorize the rules above, and if they hear "Z Shack", they can figure it out.

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Drive

Drive is similar to shallow, except that the dig route comes from the same side as the shallow route. Mazzone likes to package the backside with the two receivers crossing on a go route and a corner route, and look for the corner against 2-deep and the go/skinny post against cover 4 again. Otherwise, QB is looking at the shallow route, the dig, and then the back just like shallow.

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Y Cross

Mazzone seemed to like deep crossing routes and floods towards either sideline, especially off of run action. It's similar to how he controls perimeter defenders with the quick outside screen to the backside - if they cheat inside to play the run, he'll fake the run and flood the backside with a deep crossing route, a vertical route, and some sort of short route in the flat. It's the same triangle stretch used in 3-man snag, with a vertical threat, a short outside threat, and an intermediate threat, only a little more downfield.

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See below for a great video demonstrating this concept - this was meant for WVU's offense, but the formation and motion is something that ASU ran under Mazzone (same look they run zone key out of ). Remember how defenses liked to drop the safety down to pick up the swing route on the backside - this play is a good call against those teams as the vertical or the crossing route can be open.

Y-Crosser (via smartfootballchris)

Verticals

Verticals is a concept that pretty much everyone runs - for an in-depth explanation, check out this article or just google "four verticals". It's not so much a "long bomb" play, but usually more of a quick throw down the seams as the slot receivers clear the underneath defenders.

The wrinkle that Mazzone used several times last season was running this out of trips, and having the inside slot receiver take more of a diagonal path down towards the opposite hash marks and the backside single receiver run a shallow crossing route. If teams loaded up the deep zones, ASU would just take the shallow route, and if they flooded the underneath zones in anticipation of the zone run or quick passing game, they'd have the advantage deep with the vertical routes. Remember, the base stuff in the offense is meant to force the defense to cover sideline to sideline short stuff, with inside runs and quick passes and screens to the perimeter - when those concepts are rolling, the defense can't leave many defenders deep which opens up the downfield passing game.

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Great analysis, as always

I might add though, that I believe the “Hot Ron” in the playcall refers to what the Running Back does, “Ron” being short for Running Back and “Hot” meaning he immediately goes out on the swing route as opposed to staying in to pass block or chipping a rusher before running the route. I don’t think this offense designates “Strong side/Weak side” offensive linemen who flip sides depending on the call.

The offensive line will usually know their blocking assignments based on the play call itself, and the Center will call out who the Mike (MLB) is at the line of scrimmage, as well as any necessary adjustments. If the QB senses a blitz pre-snap, he can check out the the play, slide the line protection to one side or the other, signal a hot route, or signal the RB to either stay in and pass block or chip a rusher before running his rout…but all that happens at the LOS.

Could be wrong, but that’s my guess.

by BillytheSid on Jan 11, 2012 2:37 AM PST reply actions  

Hot Ron

The main reason I’m guessing that it’s a protection is because it’s what’s listed here for the OL assignments (PST/PSG/C/BSG/BST=playside tackle, guard, center, backside guard, tackle)

Another reason is that, in the presentation, there’s Dual Right and Dual Left – the entire formation is flipped but the RB is to the left both times, which means that the RB probably isn’t aligning as per the formation call, but the protection call – it’s “Hot Ron” both times, and both times the RB is swinging out to the left away from protection.

Also, in the cut-ups: the swing by the back is not part of the concept, they run several different protections including 6-man where the back stays in to block, some where he’s in a combo man/slide protection where he’s watching for a LB between the tackle and guard.

Finally, on the table of contents on Mazzone’s site:

Base Protections
Video Recording: Philosophy on Protections and Base Protections by Coach Mazzone
Video Clips: Base Protections Ron/Lou, Rio/Lobo, and Hot Ron/Lou Video Clips
Diagrams: Base Protections – Ron/Lou, Rio/Lobo, and Hot Ron/Lou Diagrams
Forum: Coach Mazzone Q&A on Base Protections Concepts

Looks like “Hot Ron” is hot protection to the right and “Hot Lou” is hot protection to the left.

by jtthirtyfour on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool, thanks

Only reason I said anything was that we ran a similar system back in high school with similar terminology and “Hot Ron” was a running back assignment. Thanks for clarifying!

by BillytheSid on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent stuff

Formerly AllHailMightyBruins

by AHMB on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

Sick Analysis

Who do you see lining up as the receivers? And (excuse me if I missed it on a previous post) does Mazzone use any QB draws or run plays? Not like I’m hoping for it, just asking. Thanks.

by Bruin_jim on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 PM PST reply actions  

WRs

ASU had a 6’4" guy at WR for things like the 10-yard dig and the fade, and also a small quick guy, Pfulgrad (sp?) running a lot of the quick crossing routes and snag routes. I like Fauria on the dig, obviously – the defense has to choose between defending a 6’8" guy running behind the LBs and in front of the safeties. I think Marvray is similar to Pfulgrad, he kind of disappeared last season but he was one of our best WRs in 2010 (not saying much). Marvray, Evans, Lucien, maybe Jordan James or Johnathan Franklin in the F role (same as ASU’s #32 Jamaal Miles).

Y is basically a TE, just flexed out a little = Fauria, maybe Anthony Barr?
X = Evans, Jerry Johnson?
Z = Marvray, Lucien, Rice?
F = the RB/WR hybrid, Jordan James, maybe Franklin if they like Malcolm Jones at RB? Or Lucien
T = the RB, Franklin or Jones

Maybe we’ll get to actually see some freshman touch the ball as well this year.

As for QBs they ran some zone read, no draws but they do a QB sneak (with a 6’8’ QB he just falls forwards). However the QB scrambles a lot, he looks for 1st option, resets feet, goes to #2, and then starts moving out of the pocket and the throw to #3 if it’s there is a throw on the run. otherwise he just takes off, so look for our QBs to scramble a bit more. Mazzone does a lot of 5 man protection, some 6 with a checkdown so he doesnt want the QB to sit in the pocket all day.

by jtthirtyfour on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Was Marvray hurt this year?

Did he even play? I really don’t recall his name being called.

ps: just saw that Embree is going to the Shrine game? How did they pick him and not Rosario? I think Tony Dye is going too.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

The protections kind of scare me, but I guess spreading the defense out in conjunction with the QB at full shotgun depth doesn’t allow them to blitz and bring as many if we weren’t in a spread formation? Was Oz sacked or hit a lot? It looks like if there is a 6 man protection it utilizes the RB and not a TE(I don’t think I’ve seen a TE line-up at all?), but is the RB pass blocking a read, where he just counts how many is rushing then either stays or releases? Last question, how good was the AZ St O-line compared to ours? Really appreciate the breakdowns, especially the videos. Thanks a lot.

by Bruin_jim on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Protections

Check out this article

http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2011/08/back-to-future-sliding-with-noel.html

ASU was pretty average in terms of protection – however they werent getting sacked because the QB held the ball on too long, they usually fire it out quickly or scramble, when they took sacks it was usually due to an OL just getting beat.

They mix in some TE stuff, but not for protection – they’ll use it to draw the defense in tighter and then attack outside or downfield. Spread philosophy – spread guys out and the defense also has to put guys out there, you still have to block them either way but they’re further from the QB. If you want to protect with a TE, you’ve just put an extra defender in the box and an extra potential rusher, you don’t really gain an advantage. if the defense wants to rush 6 or 7 or 8 then you’ve got to hit the quick outside screens or passes until they stop. ASU wasnt doing this in their bowl game against Boise, even though the quick screens were open all day as Boise was loading up in the box.

RB depends on protections just like anyone else, they’ll sometimes free release the back and sometimes not – usually when he stays in he’s keying one of two LBs, if one blitzes, he picks him up, if none come, he releases, and if both come he takes the most dangerous man and the QB has to know he’s got to get rid of the ball quickly as someone should be open.

by jtthirtyfour on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sick 34

Appreciate it. can’t wait till we get a DC so you can break it for us. I have one last question, and if you don’t get to this, then no worries. Do you like the offense he runs? Like if you were hc of the Bruins would you run this offense?

by Bruin_jim on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The scheme is solid but it’s still up to the players. Norm Chow had a pretty solid scheme as well and we didn’t get a chance to see it in action as we didn’t have the horses to run it initially (after losing top 2 QBs in one practice) nor the patience to stick with it, ditching it after only 2 years.

I don’t think it’ll take as long to have success with this system but I think that the biggest question mark is still Mora. The X’s and O’s obviously work and it’s a proven system that has worked at the HS and NCAA level. ASU put up yards under Mazzone but was an average team, I think that’s on Erikson as they were one of the most penalized teams in the nation under his tenure. Against Boise they just didn’t show up and Erikson looked as if he had already checked out. If we commit personal fouls, get called for holding, false start, drop passes, fumble the football, and miss blocks, then no scheme is going to work.

by jtthirtyfour on Jan 15, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks jtthirtyfour

Appreciate your follow up also.

by Bruin_jim on Jan 15, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What's your feeling

on whether Mora will want to run Mazzone’s ASU offense or whether he wants to shift towards something pro-style?

by Jyaan on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

Why would he do that?

That’s akin to Neuheisel running the pistol. No sense to bring someone in and not have him run what is his area of expertise. There will probably be some sprinkled it, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense. And frankly, I’d be pissed!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 12, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Mazzone

has run many different offenses. I think that is what attracted Mora to him, he adapts to his players.

by UCL@ on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

That's fine

as long as it is something he is accustomed to doing. No more large scale experimenting.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 13, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

So not that we are getting greedy

JT – would love tutorials on 3-4 defense. Specifically what I am really curious to hear your thoughts on whether a team can run a combination of 3-4 and 4-3 defenses. Hiring of Spanos seem to indicate we are leaning towards going with a heavy dose of 3-4. No?

by Nestor on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I think it’s more complicated than 3-4 vs 4-3 but what youre doing behind it – front is determined by your coverage and defensive call, coverage dictates what you’re able to do up front. You can line up on offense with 4 WR and 1 back, or 3 WR and 2 backs but run similar concepts out of each look – that extra WR doesnt dictate what you can or can’t do.

I think formation/personnel (where you start out) isnt as important as the actual playcall/concept (where you end up), you’d need to actually look at what his teams have done on the field, but even then as he was not DC, hard to know what he’ll end up doing.

by jtthirtyfour on Jan 18, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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