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A Recruiting Class Can't Be Evaluated Until a Few Years Have Passed

TEMPE AZ - NOVEMBER 26: Randall Carroll's contributions to the UCLA football program were enigmatic at best, despite his high rankings as a high school player.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

A confession:

As time goes on, I find myself less and less interested in the vagaries of the recruiting process. I've gone from someone who spent the whole month of January and half of February neglecting work, family and friends while checking the various recruiting sites -- like Tracy Pierson's Bruin Report Online -- 200 times a day. It mattered to me, recruiting "wins" felt just as good as wins on the field.

I'm actually old enough to remember when very few people followed recruiting. In the 80s, before the advent of the Internet, full time recruiting reporters, All Star games on ESPN, scouting combines and the like, we found out who UCLA and USC got when the Los Angeles Times ran a piece the day after signing day. Those stories contained the same quote every year, when then-coach Terry Donahue would remind us that "You can't judge a recruiting class until a few years down the road."

If you're expecting me to criticize Coach Donahue for that remark (which sort of channeled his weekly pre-game poor-mouthing, when he'd assert that 1-7 Oregon State was "the best 1-7 team he'd ever seen" and that he expected the game to be a real challenge), you're only partially right. On one hand, it was typical Donahue, lowering expectations as insurance against potentially average results.

Star-divide

On the other hand, ol' Terry was right. You can't judge a recruiting class until a few years down the road. I mean, let me ask you this: Name your top five Aundre Dean highlights. Tell me your all-time favorite Morrell Presley moments. Do you remember all those kicks speed burner Randall Carroll ran back for touchdowns?

Neither do I.

"But, Achilles, every team is going to have their share of recruiting busts. And everyone is going to have a few unheralded players turn into stars. Generally speaking, it's still important to have a highly-rated recruiting class."

Fair enough. I get that. But I've just been around this too long to put too much stock into star rankings and the decisions of 17-year-olds.

There are a few other elements that give me pause when it comes to following recruiting. (And -- btw -- I'm not telling any of you not to enjoy or follow the whole recruiting thing, I'm just giving my side of things.) As most of you are, I'm a UCLA graduate. It's been a while since I sat in a classroom but some of those lessons still stick with me. And one of them pertains to doing the proper research. Unless you actually take the time to attend high school football games and attend enough of them to get a good look at a recruit in at least a few different games, then what exactly are you using to evaluate a class? A few highlight tapes? Anyone can look good in a highlight tape. A typed evaluation written by someone you've never met? Okay -- I sort of see that. I read movie reviews, too. But unless I've seen all the movies, I can't tell you whose going to win the Academy Award. My point is, what passes for information in recruiting circles wouldn't pass muster in a real research setting.

"But, Achilles, we're just following recruiting for fun. We don't pretend to really know what we're talking about. It's just something to talk about in the off season."

That's fine. I get that. We all need hobbies. I read bad detective fiction and love The Fast and the Furious films. Not everything has to pass the high art test.

The other thing is: The guys we are recruiting right now in all likelihood won't even play for a few years. The class really won't make an impact as a whole for like three years. By that time, we'll be excited about some other recruiting class and won't even remember how high this class was rated.

At least I won't.

All that aside, there are a few things I think we need in this and every recruiting class. One is a quarterback. I don't know as much about this stuff as some of you, but I am positive that we won't be successful as a football program unless we have a good quarterback. I don't know which high school quarterback is the one we need, but I know we need a good one.

We also need a pass rusher. I've been thinking about this a bit and I realized that we did a poor job of rushing the passer in recent seasons. That's why everyone is always screaming that we need to blitz more. But our pass rush woes could also be cured with a stud defensive end, so that's my other recruiting wish.

A quarterback and a defensive end.

Other than that, I don't know who most of these guys are. I haven't attended a high school football game in exactly 20 seasons. (I take that back, I've seen a few freshman football games because my nephew played. I also attended an Irvine game this season, but only because my niece is in the band. We only watched halftime.)

Totally changing the subject, I thought this item on Deadspin today was pretty funny:

There are few things worse than seeing a flag fly on the field and then hearing Joe Buck tell you it's "in the area of holding," because that means it's totally gonna be holding, and the interesting play you just watched will be negated like a USC championship. Holding penalties are awful. We should just make holding legal so that fans don't have to endure the dread and agony that comes with those penalties.

Programming alert: Your next "Guesses" column won't be until spring practice.

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Hopefully coach Mora

will play the best players regardless of class. CRN probably did more to stunt the development of players like Carroll. Programs around the country played their stud recruits while ours sat on the sideline watching upperclassmen stink it up on the field.

Great read…

"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.

by TheUclan on Jan 13, 2012 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

So true!

So much talent, hype and hope, left with nothing in the end. Presley and now Carroll not being just more than a name in Bruin football history. I wonder how many people would have predicated this from CRN and most of his recruits. Your turn Mora, let’s see if the next chapter will improve.

by Bruin'96 on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

Recruiting is only Step 1

It’s interesting (and sad) to see so many people fall all over themselves after we flipped a few recruits from other schools when we have had so many other problems under the last two regimes that can’t even begin to be addressed until Spring. Our players just seem to completely stagnate once they get into the program. They’ll be ahead of their peers in HS, but all it takes is a couple years of competent strength training and good coaching and the kid we rejected who went elsewhere is suddenly outshining the guy we didn’t in someone else’s uniform.

by Tydides on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Grocery shopping and cooking

Recruiting is def. just Step 1. It is a bit like grocery shopping and cooking. I am going to use an analogy I think Bill Parcels when he coached the Patriots.

Developing a football team is like putting together a great meal. I am speaking here as a food snob. To cook a great meal, it’s probably a good idea to go to a grocery store where you know you will get the best ingredients, fresh and tastiest (and with some great wine – hey Dan!). Once you get them – the deal is not done. You still have to know how to put the dish together using the right combination of those ingredients. You know you want to make sure you are marinading the steak, seafood or veggies in the right way.

Neuheisel got the first part done but failed on the second. Howland got both parts right in his first 5 years. But in his last 3, he easily gave up and started throwing food away as soon as he saw the slightest fault with them (and in some cases just took the easy way out to cook up same boring meal).

Dorrell had no idea what freaking grocery store to go to. As for Mora, it seems like so far he has been able to put together a staff who seems to have the ability to get those ingredients. The question is can he cook up the right mix? We will know within next two seasons.

by Nestor on Jan 13, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what people forget

Mostly because of the team’s recent performance, is with the exception of Walker for one year, I don’t think Rick’s staff really had a recruiter that won accolades from national sources. Yet his recruiting classes were top notch. That means he did that legwork himself, and it makes you appreciate what he was able to do despite the many things he clearly wasn’t able to do.

I like that we’re salvaging this class and that we have people in place to make up for Mora’s probable personal shortcomings in the recruiting arena, because recruiting is an absolute prerequisite, but we have had no returns yet on what actually needs to be corrected with this program. Alosi is a really good freaking sign though, IMO.

by Tydides on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

plus uno

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Jan 13, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I like your analogy better

In reading this post, I was going to comment that recruiting was the appetizer, but development was the entrée. The idea was that the former is nice, but the latter determines the quality of the meal. Appetizers are not necessary, though. Whereas, fresh ingredients certainly are.

Must be getting close to lunch time…

by Bruinut on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

I remember those days. I used to buy Street & Smith and Student Sports magazines to find out who the top guys were for both major sports. Recruiting info was hard to come by whereas it is now all over the place.

However, recruiting isn’t just for kicks either. I follow it to see if we are being competitive against suc and others. Getting guys from LB Poly was big. We still need to make inroads at suc strongholds Serra, Servite, Mater Dei, etc. Recruiting also allows me to justify my own personal expectations of the team. Recruiting isn’t an exact sciene but it is the lifeline of a program.

We’re currently over the 85 limit so it’s going to be interesting to see what our roster is going to be like come Fall Camp. CJM wants “toughness” to be a staple of our program so I expect some of the guys won’t be on the roster come fall.

We actually have a lot of holes depth wise coming up beginning in 2013. I agree that a QB is a must get. WR, TE (if Mazzone utilizes one) and DE are big need areas as well.

by BlueReign on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Nice post. Almost too close to home.

Now, back to Twitter following uncommitted 3*-5* players prattle on as 17 yr old boys do.

by 4everBruin on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Great Post

Well worth the reading and I hope CJM Jr. can land the next Deacon Jones or Jack Youngblood.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

Recruiting

No question, recruiting top high school kids is the life blood to a college football program. Look at all the top college programs, Alabama, Texas (unfortunately)USC, Ohio State, etc. But just as importantly the coaching staff has to develop these kids so that they can meet expectations . That hasn’t been accomplished very well at UCLA for many years. Its time to change that, and with this the team will reap the benefits as well as the players.

by UCLA Man on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

Slight Quibble

Rather than DEs, I think our primary focus should be on DT. What wouldn’t we give for another Brian Price or two – that immovable force creating constant havoc in the center that requires a constant double team to keep him out of the backfield? Remember the couple of games we moved Datone Jones to the middle and our defense showed marked improvement? Datone did a great job there, but he was undersized for the position. A big, strong, talented DT would do wonders to anchor our defense.

by snorkeldorf on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Recruiting

I remember back when the only recruiting news I could get my hands on were second-hand Cal-Hi Sports magazines. I love, love, love following recruiting, and not just for UCLA. There’s just something about following kids as they embark on the most important journeys of their young lives. It’s the reason why I also avidly follow my favorite baseball team’s farm system. Seeing recruits (and baseball prospects) fail to live up to the hype is part of the process, but when they do succeed, it feels like seeing your own kids or your neighbor’s kids finally make it.

by ishXdavid on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

An interesting follow-thru on recruiting/signing day

The next day cut out the lists that the LA Times prints and put them away until September, then go to each schools official web site and look at the fall rosters. Many times there are glaring absences of the so-called sure-things. since I do this every year I can also see if some delayed enrolling. All schools have this problem and $UC used to be one of the worst. With Garrett gone that should improve-why can’t theBRUINS GET A REAL AD?

by john4justice on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Some missing ingredients.....

One thing you can’t predict with recruits is how they will physically mature over their college careers. Will they grow more? Bulk up? Many times a player will grow out of the position he was recruited as.
You can’t predict how a student’s attitude will mature either. Will he get serious about practice, going to the weight room and do what it takes to improve as a player?
How serious a student is he going to be? Will he make grades? I saw many a student flunk out because they couldn’t discipline themselves to study and hit the books.
You can have the best coaches in the world but it’s a complicated equation and many athletes just don’t cut it.

by Twothphry on Jan 13, 2012 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

SIGNING DAY Soiree' @ UCLA-ASM

http://woodenathleticfund.com/pages/memeber_benefits/events_deadlines.php

So, now that you all DONT watch Recruiting (yeah, sure!), see you ALL at the great National Signing Day Soiree’ @ UCLA. Hell, maybe you can SWILL some CHIANTI and get some wine tips from Danny Boy himself? Hooah! Go Bruins!

The UCLA Athletic Department, Wooden Athletic Fund and Head Coach Jim Mora present the:
2012 National Football Signing Day Reception and Announcement
UCLA Anderson School of Management
Event is free and open to all Wooden Athletic Fund Members and UCLA Football Season Ticket Holders.
Seating is limited. Please register by Wednesday, January 18th.
6:00pm: Football Coaching Staff Meet & Greet Reception on UCLA Anderson Alumni Plaza
7:00pm: 2012 Football Recruiting Class Announcement in Korn Convocation Hall

by MonCheri-Josephina on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM PST reply actions  

Please Tell Me

some of you guys are going. Please take a 101 questions just in case Danny Boy shows up.
Or Block. But I think they’ll be wise to stay clear of that place

"Players with fight never lose a game, they just run out of time"
~ John Wooden

by Bruin Bro on Jan 14, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Blitzing More

Achilles, speaking of blitzing more, TP on BRO just reported that Barr will be moving to SAM Linebacker… that’s the blitzing strong side linebacker right?

by Barnes1212 on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

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