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by ucla7477 on Jan 15, 2012 12:00 PM PST
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PrintPlease check out the following report from NBC News, "Applications Soar at UCLA Despite Higher Costs":
State cutbacks have left University of California students paying around $13,200 a year and more increases are expected.
But the high costs have not stopped people from applying to the UC system. At UCLA alone, 91,512 people applied for enrollment for next fall, an 18 percent increase from previous years.
New students, especially freshmen, are apparently looking past the immediate pain to the future benefits and making a calculated decision.
"Going to a place like UCLA increases your chances of getting a better job or getting into a better grad school," said UCLA senior Nan Yang.
Key messages:
1. "At UCLA alone, 91,512 people applied for enrollment for next fall, an 18 percent increase from previous years."
2. "The amount of fall applications to UCLA is approximately the maximum number of seats in UCLA’s home stadium and the Rose Bowl in Pasadena."
For the academically inclined, Southern Cal is, at best, Second Choice. When one runs the costs-benefits ratio, Troy fares even worse.
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Number of applicants to the 2009 class was 55,000+. If the approximate number of admits has held steady, this year’s applicants have a 14% chance of getting in. Yikes.
Number of admits has been increasing
16,557 admits for Fall 2005 and 21,181 for Fall 2011. They had about 1,000 extra matriculating students this past year though, so they might dial back the acceptances, but on the other hand they want the international and out-of-state tuition money.
The trends at UCLA are very disheartening to me
Less and less money from the state had led to more out of state students. In fact, I would partially attribute the rise of applications to UCLA now recruiting out of state students – who seem unfazed by the higher tuition.
Additionally, I don’t think outsiders and alumni appreciate the current difficulty of getting into classes for your major. Yes suc may have less applications, but there relative rise across university rankings (or our fall?) may be due to the newfound characteristics of UCLA. I feel bad for current californians who have long dreamt of attending ucla. It seems they have only 10% chance of doing so statistically.
The UC system and UCLA need to rise up once more somehow. The california gov needs to figure out this budget crisis. Time to legalize?
by PopnFried on Jan 14, 2012 12:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Could always switch to a STEM
Pretty sure they have fewer problems getting classes. Of course that’s because no one wants to take STEM in the first place.
To your other point, as someone who got in from out of state, I actually support a rededication to the mission of educating Californians first with one important caveat: That the state kicks in its fair share. At its current level of support, Sacramento should expect little to nothing in terms of this mission, and I would bust open the floodgates of out of state students and money rather than give even an inch on academic quality. UC only has a obligation to the state and its taxpayers (and their children) relative to the amount of support it receives.
Agree to a certain extent...
I mean yes Sacramento doesn’t support the UC system like it used to, but what sucks is it’s like eating our own hand. They (we) don’t support our own public system, so then the system turns to out of state tuition payers to foot the bill. Most public schools are doing this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/18/college-admissions-which-state-schools-give-an-edge-to-out-of-state-students.html
The increase in applications is probably a function of the word is out (as per the above article) that these really good public institutions are excepting more out-of-state applicants, so more are applying, and second, the economy is probably driving a lot of it, with people trying to be more frugal.
by Bruin_jim on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I don't understand the analogy, nor the problem
If the goal is to maintain academic quality first, and that damn well better be the goal, then the economics of this is all fairly logical. Giving a little on academics and funding in order to accept more in state students would be the real problem. That leads to a future where neither in state nor out of state students want to apply because we don’t provide top notch academics like we used to.
That's my point
That we are sacrificing part of ourselves in California. No one is talking about sacrificing academics, what is being sacrificed is the California students. We have the people in-state that are well above qualified, and might even be More qualified than somebody applying from another state, but because our state government has been cutting spending on California university systems year after year, the UC’s (and even the Cal States now to a certain extent) don’t look to accept students from our own state because they can charge triple for out-of-state tuition. Yes, the amount of California budget dedicated to the UC system has dissolved over the last decade, but it’s still $3billion dollars more than any other state.
Meh
“We” aren’t sacrificing anything. Rather, “we” as in UCLA and the rest of the UCs have already been sacrificed by Sacramento. I’d also suggest you refrain from implying that we are lowering student body quality by accepting out of state applicants without evidence to support that. Also, 3 billion is a pathetic amount to spend on a system as vast and as beneficial to the state’s economy as the UCs. California as a whole would like to claim to have this great higher education system while funding it with peanuts.
Again, “we” didn’t sacrifice anything. The people applying from both in and out of state aren’t applying because there will be a bunch of California kids making up the student body. They apply because of our World Class education. That’s what defines “us”. Not a percentage of the student body.
Look
It’s a sports site, I’m not even sure if we should be getting into this, and I’m not going to debate if allocating $400 million per campus is chump change compared to other public universities around the nation or not, and why we’re not getting the funding or not, because those are debatable. I’m just saying that it’s a zero-sum game, and that for every out-of-state student that you allow in, and I’m not saying highly qualified people shouldn’t get in from anywhere in the world, but when you start making a concerted effort, when Cal says, “we’re taking 20% of our applicants from out of state” up from 5% 5 years ago, that means they stop looking at applications at a certain point from California kids. It is what it is, but there is a sacrifice there. They are still CA tax dollars that Californians have put in since all the campuses have opened, they are on CA land that has been granted to them, and they are CA tax exempt. And all public universities are doing this, and I understand why, i’m just saying it is not without consequences.
Was going to respond to this
But I realized that ultimately it doesn’t matter, because they’re going to continue to do what I’m outlining and not what you’re suggesting, because it’s the smart, pragmatic, logical thing to do. Call me when Sacramento decides to kick in sufficient funding and we’ll revisit this topic. Until then, sit back and watch admissions do the right thing by the University.
No one is disagreeing with you
that is happening, and will continue to happen. You’re saying it’s ok to let somebody in just because they are paying more, because if not the academics will suffer. ok. I’m just saying it’s a shame. They are looking at out-of-state students in terms of $$$. The only real way to rectify it is make dramatic changes in how budgets in CA are passed, changes in taxes, prop. 13, etc. etc. etc. But you’re acting like it’s ok that a Public institution, one built for and by the people of California (unless you haven’t read the mission statement for the UC system), one that all 100+ members of my family who reside in CA pay for, and not only pay for, but have paid for the last 80 years, is basically going to the highest bidder. You have two students, equal academically and in all standards, one from CA one from Nevada, and the kid from CA is getting denied solely because the kid from Nevada is going to pay 35k, and the kid from CA is going to pay 12k. When you start doing that you basically privatizing a public system: it’s turning us into $UC where it no longer follows it’s basic mission statement of educated the students of California, but educating whoever is willing to pay for it.
That's supply and demand, jim
There is a big demand for a product that is in limited supply. The price is going to go up. This says nothing about whether it’s right or wrong or contrary to the mission statement. The law of supply and demand is like the law of gravity. Neither can be repealed as much as we might want them to be repealed.
Sorry Jim
Nothing on earth can turn us into $UC.
As an out-of-stater, who became an in-stater, your argument has very little weight with me. The state can’t get something for nothing.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
very true
I dreamed of going to UCLA my entire life. My dad was a student in the 80’s and my grandfather was an assistant dean and researcher for 30 years. I had a 3.7 and above a 2000 sat score, captain of the football team, and an honor group musician. And I still did not get in. That was the worst day of my life. I am still a die hard UCLA fan and always will be and hope to go for grad school, but I know way to many people that were not accepted into UCLA that deserve it.
I feel ya
With such a high number of applicants, getting into UCLA needs a ton of luck. My younger sister had great stats and a ton of extracurriculars but didn’t get in, and yet many of her classmates with stats not as high or accomplished as hers managed to get accepted.
by Objection Penguin on Jan 14, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
+1 to the legalize
Revote! That vote was actually closer then I thought it would be, it was like 3.5mill against to 3mill for.
by Bruin_jim on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
+1
We really need the money. I teach in a calif. high school, and it’s getting so hard for the best to get into UCLA, it is heart breaking. That was why the UC system was created, to educate the top 10% of Californians. I do wish the smokers would have put down the weed for a second and voted! The problem with the crazy cigs is it does seem to affect the motivation centers of the brain!
Go Bruins!
That bill was flawed
and would’ve been declared federally illegal the moment it passed. New legislation should be crafted that puts marry jane on the same footing as booze. The tax money from that would be astounding.
"A legend is an old man with a cane known for what he used to do. I'm still doing it." Miles Davis
by milesdavis93 on Jan 15, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Per page 177 of the 2011 media guide
With the new seating configuration, the current [Rose Bowl] seating capacity is 91,136.
376 people get to stand!
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
I was an out of state admit
My year (1991), only 300 were admitted. Out of 3000 freshmen.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Thought I heard
a year before you that there were only about 150 or 200 out-of-state admits that were not athletes. Could be wrong; it’s been a while…
Roses are red, violets are blue...f*** $C.
From my anecdotal experience, the out of state students I met at UCLA when I was there were significantly more qualified then the in-state students who were admitted (I was not out of state). Additionally, the diversity of experiences on campus that out of state and international students bring is very important to a well rounded student body.
One thing I never understood though is why California applicants didn’t get preferential admission for grad programs like we do for undergrad, it seems inconsistent?
wonder if other sports blogs have this civilized a conversation?
like UCLA fans do… just saying. Wish moonbeam brown would fix all the waste in this state starting with the prisons and k-12 education. That alone would clear up lots of money. We do need to fix education on all levels and we do owe it to ourselves as Californians to make that change.
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