Initial Thoughts on Chargers Linebackers Coach John Pagano
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So UCLA finally has their football coaching staff filled out. It is all but confirmed that John Pagano will be hired as Defensive Coordinator before the recruiting dead period ends on Wednesday.
Just as a little bit of background on Pagano:
He's a Colorado guy, graduated in 1988 with a degree in Business Marketing from Mesa State where he was a linebacker on the football team.
After graduating, he went right into coaching, spending a season as an assistant at Mesa State in 1989.
From there he got an Assistant Coach spot at UNLV and stayed there from 1990-1991 under Jim Strong who was Lou Holtz's OC and Assistant Head Coach for nearly the entirety of Holtz's coaching career.
After Strong lost his job at UNLV, Coach Pagano went back to Colorado to become the Defensive Coordinator at Overland High School in Colorado from 1992-1993. Pagano's team managed to win the Colorado 6-A State Championship in 1993. He went back to the college ranks after that, spending a year as a Graduate Assistant at Louisiana Tech and Ole Miss (where those team went 3-8 and 6-5 respectively). I couldn't find any info on what position he coached at either stop, but I assume both were on defense. Ole Miss was a competitive SEC team, only allowing over 30 points to only LSU and Auburn who were both highly ranked at the time.
After that he made the leap to the NFL, spending 1996-1997 with the New Orleans Saints and 1998-2001 with the Colts. In his time with the Saints he spent time under DC Jim Haslett and with Jim Mora coaching the secondary in '96. Despite going 3-13, the Saints actually had the 13th ranked defense in '96 (29th ranked offense out of 31 teams). In '97, Mike Ditka's first season as head coach, Pagano was a part of the 4th ranked defense in the NFL.
After spending three years with the Jim Mora Colts team of the late 90's and early 2000's., whose overall game-plan during that time was basically, "Let Peyton Manning throw and we'll never have to worry about defense." Which ultimately led down the road to the "Playoffs..." outtake from the elder Jim Mora.
This is where Pagano made his trip out West to the San Diego Chargers as a Linebackers Coach in some capacity 2002-2011 as well as Quality Control Coach (which basically means, he was the guy watching more film, game-planning and scouting opponents more than any coach on the staff).
In his time on the Chargers, their defenses have ranked:
30, 27, 18, 13, 10, 14, 25 (the season that Shawne Merriman and Derek Smith were lost early in the season and the first post-Wade Phillips at DC year), 16, 1 and (pending the results of today) 11.
In his time as Linebackers coach for the Chargers, he's coached quite a few All-Pro/Pro Bowl seasons. Junior Seau and Donnie Edwards in 2002, Shawne Merriman in 2005, 2006 and 2007 and Shaun Phillips in 2010.
Now for my personal take on the hire,
I think it is a very solid choice overall, with the potential to be a steal. I don't claim to be an football aficionado or expert; but I thought he was a season or two away from deservedly getting a shot at being an NFL Defensive Coordinator.
Pagano has been coaching an outstanding group of LBs throughout his time in San Diego. He’s mostly responsible for turning a 4th round pick out of Purdue into one of the best OLBs in the NFL (Shaun Phillips) and also has a 3x All-Pro in Shawne Merriman on his resume.
He has certainly had the success in SD to merit becoming a Defensive Coordinator at the NFL level.
Going into a more personal take on Pagano, I took a look at a couple of videos with Pagano:
Needless to say, I do not link videos unless I think they are worth watching, so I recommend both.
What I take away from the first video is that he’s turned down a lot of opportunities to get a pay raise at the NFL level because his family is a So Cal family (son has been here since he was 2 months old) and he loves it here in So Cal. That negates the threat of him bailing for a better job if he is successful here, which is a big deal from my point of view. The way he describes himself as a player is exactly what you want in a coach, "Not the fastest or strongest, but always the smartest one." These are always the type of players who turn into good coaches because they tend to be relentless on getting the absolute best out of every player, regardless of talent level. He isn't going to let a guy like Cassius Marsh or Dietrich Riley or Jordan Zumalt stop improving.
The second video is a breakdown of a drill, that I adore conceptually. So often this year, UCLA's LBs and defensive players in general took on blockers with their bodies instead of their hands and hats (facemasks/helmets). That gets you bottled up and stops pursuit quicker than anything. Sean Westgate, despite my opinion of him being the best LB in coverage and LB who made the fewest mental mistakes, was a huge victim of this due to his size. That is why you'd see him take on lineman aggresively; but be driven out of the play. If Pagano installs fundamentals like this, this defense can improve drastically, very quickly.
My only hesitations from full-on praising this hire are:
1) He is taking this job to escape the impending purge in San Diego. Smart move, but he appears to be the type of guy that is settled down in the area.
2) He has been a 3-4 guy for the last 10 years.
What I am most interested in is whether or not he brings in the 3-4 with him from SD.
This is not a move I am instantly confident or negative about with regard to the personnel on UCLA’s defense being able to fit in a 3-4.
Once it is made clear what he plans to do with respect to defensive scheme at UCLA, I am going to put together an in-detail post on how I see the returners fitting into the scheme. But these are a couple of my initial impressions of a switch to the 3-4.
Datone Jones is a damn near ideal 3-4 end, and, in my opinion, that is probably what he will end up playing in the NFL. Biggest responsibility is plugging gaps in the run game. Think Ngata in Baltimore or Justin Smith up in SF. Obviously he isn't that level of a player, but those are both DT/DE tweeners that flourished once they got to a 3-4.
Cassius Marsh is also a great fit at DE or DT in a 3-4 because he has the size to play a true nose guard, but also has the athleticism to move outside.
This potential 3-4 switch would be big for the younger D-lineman like Seali'i Espensa and Kevin McReynolds, who fit a lot better as 3-4 NG than 4-3 DTs.
My last thought on personnel is that Aramide Olaniyan is a prototype OLB in a 3-4. Would be a great opportunity for him to get a chance to impact games and make his mark early. He has the pass rush ability to get after the QB from the edge and the speed to actually cover outside
From my perspective, out of all the coaching issues UCLA has had during this era, the one position that has been most poorly handled have been the LBs, which is the spot I expect Pagano to take over in addition to DC.
That was the spot that killed UCLA’s defense all year. People expected big things out of the D-Line and they certainly underachieved, but, to me, were the only group that clearly improved throughout the season.
I watch the linebackers more often than anything else while suffering through UCLA games. My overall view on their performance this season was that this group is very undisciplined in gap responsibility, consistent with their poor tackling, and consistently poor communication in pass coverage.
At any level of football, If the LBs on a defense are an issue, then the entire defense is an issue. It is almost impossible to find a defense that is dominant without a solid group of LBs. Not necessarily excellent LBs, but solid, "bring your lunch pale and go to work" type of guys starting and backing up every spot in the 2-deep.
Pagano has consistently has gotten the best out of any LB that comes his way. That group has dealt with a lot of injuries and missed games from their best players over the years and seen very limited drops in level of play.
Finally, a big concern for people looking at this hire might be that Pagano has had limited experience coaching at the collegiate level and recruiting. My feelings on that concern are that having collegiate experience on the defensive side is far less important than it is on offense.
If Mora had hired a NFL WR or O-Line coach as the Offensive Coordinator, I would have had a big issue because offensive schemes in the NFL are so limited and the offenses in the NFL are all ball-control oriented.
"Punting is winning." "Run, Run, Pass." That keeps your job on offense in the NFL. Which is why I was so anti-Mora, Gruden, Herm Edwards to begin with.
In contrast to that, a good Defensive Coordinator or Defensive Position Coach, regardless of the level of play, is determined by a team’s ability to tackle consistently well and having every player bought into the scheme 100%.
A good defensive scheme adjusts to each individual offense it faces and should evolve and change a little every week. That’s the nature of the beast on defense. You can’t bring in a "spread" defensive guru or a "power run" defensive specialist, you need a guy that can motivate, scheme and, most importantly, adjust against anything that is thrown their way.
While he’s been at San Diego, there has been constant buy-in on the defensive side of the ball and consistent improvement, which tells me he can motivate, he can scheme and he can adjust. While he has been at San Diego, the Chargers always seemed to be the team that could beat and/or slow down the elite AFC offenses with guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger in any game.
I'm cautiously optimistic about UCLA football at the moment. There is still a desperate need for a wholesale regime change in UCLA Athletics. The facilities need improvement, they need to be practicing on a full-scale field, fixing the uniform/marketing situation needs to happen.
Despite this, Coach Mora is doing everything he needs to at this point. He has to prove it on the field before I endorse him fully; but I like every move he has made so far. Hope that he keeps making them, to me, the Pagano hire is anther step in the right direction.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Great Post
I feel the same way as you about a switch to a 3-4. Datone and Marsh are ideal 3-4 DEs and Espensa and McReynolds can play nose tackle. I see AO and Zumwalt outside as they are the best on LB blitzes with Kendricks playing inside next to Larimore and becoming a tackling machine exactly like his brother Mychal was his entire career at Cal. My only concern is that our defensive success will depend on our ability to recruit mammoth DTs to play that nose tackle, but if you can do that then we should be very successful.
The one player who I think could benefit most from this is Owa. If he ever learns to use his hands he will be a beast, but I think he could potentially be a DeMarcus Ware type player in a 3-4. Same freakish athleticism and would certainly wreak havoc blitzing from the outside and should be strong enough to set and hold an edge against the run. And on passing situations you put his hand down and tell him to go.
I think Owa could be a great fit outside.
But I am not completely sold on it yet like I am the guys I listed. That’s just because he hasn’t ever played, to my knowledge, without his hand down.
I think that the DT from Monrovia would be perfect for this, if Mora and crew could pull that off. He’s a 5* type guy though, so it’ll be a tough pull.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Awesome post, really enjoyed reading it
I’m curious as to what you think some of the drawbacks of switching to the 3-4 would be. Are there any current players that might get “lost” from the switch?
by Objection Penguin on Jan 2, 2012 2:02 AM PST reply actions
off the top of my head
Keenan Graham. Not sure if he’s fast/athletic enough to be an OLB, and far too small to be a 3-4 end. He’s got Owa’s skill set, but not Owa’s athleticism
by bucknellbruin on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Off the top of my head,
Some of the younger D-Lineman.
Wesley Flowers (about 20 pounds to small to play end)
Keenan Graham is in for a tough adjustment but I think he could pull off end.
Brandon Willis (because he’s listed at 255 at DT, though who knows what is going on with him at this point)
The guys in the secondary should be fine.
And I don’t think any linebackers has proven themselves to be irreplacable, so those 4 spots should be wide open.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I have only one bone to pick, IE
Sure, he was 9-13 last year, but the Twins were a bad team so that can be excused. What I can’t get past is that he gave up 262 hits, more than anyone else in the league.
Took me a minute
I didn’t realize Pavano was on the Twins last season.
He just needs to keed his offspeed down and stay ahead in the count.
It took me a minute too. haha
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Excellent background on Pagano
Really appreciate the bio and oppinions on Pagano. Not too familiar with his body of work so thanks for sharing. Here’s to hoping he can raise the level of play on D and make the necessary adjustments during games.
Go Bruins!!!
Great write-up.
Thanks for the info, hopefully him working with NFL talent will make High School students want to come play for UCLA!
This hire leads me to believe
Coach Mora will definitely have his hands in the scheming and play calling on defense, with Pagano acting like his assistant D coordinator. IMHO…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that counts" - John Wooden.
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Very thorough post. I always thought that the Chargers had good LB’s and made the most with undrafted, overlooked or fundamentally raw players like Stephen Cooper, Tim Dobbins, Kevin Burnett, etc. High school recruits should gravitate towards Mora and Pagano because they’ve been working with NFL talent and will know what it takes to elevate their game. I am still very, very concerned with Breckterfield remaining on the staff though. A fundamental part of a coheisve 3-4 D is the ability of the D-line to free up space for the LB’s to roam. That’s why Luis Castillo, Jamal Williams and Igor Olshansky made Shaun Phillips and Shawne Merriman look so good during the Chargers’ LT years; they didn’t put up too many stats but opened up massive holes for the LB’s to run through.
Dump Dan!
That's why I like it for the guys listed.
You have to have BIG lineman across the board. Speed rushers become OLBs.
Zumalt actually reminds me of a really raw Stephen Cooper. Has that natural intensity.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
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Writers are not supposed to write in a passive voice. But, I’m going to make an exception here, because I’m sure I speak for many:
IE, your insightful analyses and comments are always much appreciated.
I/we look forward to your in-detail follow-up.
This
If Mora had hired a NFL WR or O-Line coach as the Offensive Coordinator, I would have had a big issue because offensive schemes in the NFL are so limited and the offenses in the NFL are all ball-control oriented.
“Punting is winning.” “Run, Run, Pass.” That keeps your job on offense in the NFL. Which is why I was so anti-Mora, Gruden, Herm Edwards to begin with.
In contrast to that, a good Defensive Coordinator or Defensive Position Coach, regardless of the level of play, is determined by a teamās ability to tackle consistently well and having every player bought into the scheme 100%.
is spot on.
Great writeup.
Thanks.
I feel like as long as Mora lets Mazzone and the staff he put together do their thing on offense, he can be involved in the defense.
I’ve never liked having head coaches make play-calls because, subconsciously, a head coach is always thinking about how the play will make him look. That is the thinking that leads to the conservative play-call and philosophy. Mazzone will get after it.
I think NFL transplants have been much more effective on the defensive side of the ball. Defensive philosophy is pretty consistent from the NFL to the NCAA. It’s all about playing together and being fundamentally sound.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Marsh Leaving
Isn’t Cassius Marsh transferring?
I hadn't seen anything about that.
Where is that story?
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I don't know about this Pagano... would have preferred his brother.
With Mora coming in, I’d rather have a DC who (a) is an experienced DC, (b) is experienced coaching against college offenses, and © knows how to teach and coach to college players within practice restrictions, etc.
Don’t forget – the last pro-linebackers-coach-turned-DC we had was none other than Chuck Bullough.
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"It's not who you are underneath. It's what you DO that defines you."
I'd also like Rex Ryan or Dick LeBeau as our DC
Let’s not get into dream candidates though.
Bullough wasn't ready to be a DC, IMO.
I don’t know what led him out of Chicago, but the fact that he was out of the NFL for more than a year was telling, IMO. Those Bears defenses had issues that everyone overlooked.
What no one ever thinks about because of Urlacher being so iconic, is how “bend but don’t break” those Bears team were from 99-03.
(I go by yardage, rather than points because that is more telling)
29, 16, 15, 25, 14
Not really close to what the Chargers did with Pagano.
If that sways you a little.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Good Write-up
Let’s see how he does, but i’m siding with this was a good hire
"Players with fight never lose a game, they just run out of time"
~ John Wooden
I'd just preach patience.
I’m going to wait until this team plays to fully praise any hire.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
3-4
My only concern with a 3-4 is if we have the personal at lb, or would it leave us extremely thin at that position? We already had issues with injuries at lb this season, and seems like the thinnest position on defense.
by Bruin_jim on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 PM PST via Android app reply actions
It's by far the least talented group on the roster, IMO.
But I’m thinking that recruits will start funneling in.
Also, it’s a different type of LB in a 3-4. Guys like Bowens, Olanyinan and Owa can all be OLB in a 3-4.
If this switch happens, you have to reevaluate your roster and move guys around.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
There is talk in San Diego of Pagano sticking around due to the retention of Norv Turner and AJ Smith
The only thing I'm hoping
is that (unlike our idiot AD), Coach Mora is hammering out plans B and C, in case Pagano decides to remain in San Diego.
Thanks for the front-page bump guys.
Always appreciate it.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
I make one hell of a lasagna.
Or at least that’s what my ex-girlfriends have said.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
well the dead period is wrapping up...
oc and dc still not signed. wr coach still not named/signed. clark lea and mike linn still have a job, sheeeesh…
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