ASU vs. UCLA Basketball Roundup: Smith Playing Like March 2011
It was an ASU team with 6 players but, in the end, the Bruins did what they were supposed to do and blew out Arizona State. Actually, it some ways this was the first game that looked, in part, at least how we expected the team to look before the year. It was Josh Smith best game of the year and let's late Arizona State Coach Herb Sendak describe what happen (emphasis mine):
UCLA improved to 9-7 and 2-2, and might have put the rest of the conference on notice. Defeating short-handed ASU doesn't do much for the resume, but the Bruins got 18 points (matching a season high) from center Joshua Smith.
In shape, the 6-foot-10, 305-pound Smith gives UCLA a weapon unmatched in the Pac-12. He's not there yet, but coach Ben Howland insists the big man's conditioning is improving.
. . . Catching the ball deep in the paint, Smith had his way with 7-footers Ruslan Pateev and Jordan Bachynski. He had a season-high eight field goals on 12 attempts, providing a glimpse of the player who could help UCLA contend.
. . .Said Sendek: "The reality is that he is a mountain of a young man physically, and an outstanding player. ... He just caught the ball in too many instances, too close to the basket and then we fouled him and gave him ‘And-1s.' ... Fouling him is like a fly landing on him. We can't even foul him hard enough to make him miss. Unless they would let us play with a 2-by-4."
Again this was just ASU but it will still nice to see. Ironically another key was the passing of Lazeric Jones. Jones playing his first game as primarily SG, had 10 assists to only one turnover. Feeding the post is best done by the wings and Jones did an outstanding job of it:
Jones moved to shooting guard this week because his style of play seemed better suited to that position, but Saturday he looked more like the point guard he was supposed to be with a season-high 10 assists.
Because of Arizona State's zone defense, UCLA worked the ball around the perimeter and it often ended up in the hands of Jones when a post player got some space inside. He routinely fed Smith and the Wear twins and effectively picked apart the Arizona State zone defense.
Of course Jerime Anderson had a solid game as PG. While Anderson is probably the most physically limited player of the starters, he showed the wisdom that occurs when you work with a coach like Ben Howland for four years:
With less than 15 minutes to play in the second half, Howland decided to apply full-court pressure that helped UCLA's halftime lead to balloon to 10 on a two-hand dunk from Smith.
The idea to press in the second half came from senior guard Jerime Anderson who saw that both of Arizona State's standard point guards were missing.
"I thought our players seized the opportunity to make some plays," Howland said.
The two seniors had their best game together as a tandem.
Jerime Anderson controlled the game on both ends in his new role as point guard, finishing with seven points, four assists, four steals and no turnovers. Lazeric Jones, moved to the wing, dished out 10 assists with but a single turnover.
"Some wonderful passes," Howland said.
But none of the above would disagree it was Smith who had the biggest impact Saturday.
Of course not all the news is good. UCLA again started bad. It seems as if the Bruins starting games woes are not just a matter of zone or man-to-man defense. Yes, UCLA dominated the last 30 minute but, of course, we need to remember this was ASU. This was a really bad team.
Arizona State is not as good as UCLA made them look early on. The Bruins had no business letting the Sun Devils hang around but they were making some tough shots. Credit senior guard Jerime Anderson who alerted Howland that UCLA should press ASU as their two point guards were left home because of suspensions.
The good news is that after the first few minutes UCLA played well. The Bruins had a number of good streaks:
The Sun Devils went more than five minutes without a field goal while the Bruins scored on every possession.
The Bruins closed the first half with nine straight points, including five in a row by Smith despite two fouls, to lead 33-30. Smith's three-point play gave UCLA its first lead of the game with 2:32 left in the half.
The Sun Devils led by 10 points on consecutive 3-pointers by Gilling, who beat the shot clock from the right side in front of UCLA's bench, then came back down and scored from the left side.
From there, the Bruins outscored Arizona State 19-6 the rest of the half. Jones and Jerime Anderson made back-to-back 3-pointers while the Sun Devils were held to one field goal over the final 10 minutes.
And UCLA did show composure.
"We did a good job showing composure," Howland said. "When you're down 10 to them, it's like being down 20 because they play so patiently offensively."
The Bruins even their Pac-12 record with a steady dose of the Wear twins, who followed up dominant performances of their own against Arizona with a combined 24 points and 16 rebounds.
. . .The performances of Smith and the Wear twins were what Howland expected going into this year. It took more than half the season for their dominance to materialize, but Howland likes the direction his team is headed in.
"It was a positive step," Howland said. "(The Wears) played with a lot of physicality this weekend, more so than earlier in the season, and it's helping us."
I know this is repetitive but this game has to be taken with a grain of salt. When I predicted a blow out, I was not exactly going out on a limb. Last weekend's games may have been more instructive and still that is confusing. Are we the team that came within a missed open jumper by Jerime Anderson against Stanford for a good road win or are we the team that got destroyed by Cal in the second half? ASU or USC next are not likely to tell the answer, or better put, they only tell the answer if we lose.
For now, we have a small reason to believe the spin about Josh that he is back and hope the team can, as it must, win the Pac-12 title:
"His weight is down to the best it's been in a year," Howland said. . . .
"I'm very optimistic about his direction, where he's headed right now," Howland said.
Go Bruins. Beat SC!
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DC - interested in hearing your thoughts
On couple of things. First, would love to hear your ideas on what can this team do to get off to better starts. We have been getting off to bad starts this season. IIRC this has been issue before as well. It cost us a huge game against Stanford. It doesn’t hurt against bad teams like ASU. But it will cost us against decent teams or average teams on the road. What can we do to address this?
Second, Howland went back to man for most of the game last night. I hope he doesn’t get into lulled into thinking somehow we are getting better in m2m. Would love to hear your thoughts on that as well.
by Nestor on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm not DC
but the interesting thing about your second question is: did Howland choose to go more m2m in order to wear down a thin ASU team with a more physical brand of defense, or did he go m2m because he just likes it more and can get away with it against a bad team? One reflects well on him as coach, the other does not.
In that case he may do the same with a pretty undermanned Trogan squad too
But then again I think Trogans have terrible shooters. So they may be the perfect opponent to polish up a good mix of zone/M2M. I want a total destruction of those clowns.
Bad Starts Part 1 Offense (Jitters?)
I tried to think back to the worse starts and review them. This was not the problem against ASU but many of the other starts on offense were due to turnovers. (In the ASU game UCLA fell down 4 to 9 and made two turnovers in its first four possession and only 8 for the game and no more until their first possession of the second half.)
This UCLA team is VERY good at not turning the ball over, best in the PAC 12. Take three of the big deficit games, which UCLA came back and you will notice the only time that was not true is at the start of the game.
1. In the game against Kansas, UCLA fell down 14 to 2. During that time, UCLA had 4 turnovers. For the game, UCLA had only 14.
2. UCLA fell down to Richmond 5 to 14. The offense in those first 6 possessions made three turnovers (Two by Smith). They only had 13 for the game.
3. Against Stanford, UCLA fell down 18-7. The UCLA offense made seven turnovers during this portion of the game (three by Lamb) and only FOUR for the rest of the game.
In other words in beginning of the games, UCLA’s offense has often seems to make a lot of turnovers. The best part of UCLA’s offense, not turning the ball over, does not seem to apply in the first minutes. I honestly thought the stats would show Jones (or Smith) was the problem but it is a team issue. I remember other games, such as LMU, were the offense started so badly but stats are not available.
On possible reasons, is early game jitters. Calling a couple plays early on could help this. Maybe the most experienced person in CBH offense handling the ball more at the start, Anderson, would help as well.
Tough to take away anything from the ASU game (because they are so bad)
But it’d be nice if Lamb can play like he did more consistently. Is it me but I thought Jones looked a little more calm (not as pressured) from the 2 spot? In some weird way Jones moving to 2 spot may help him to settle down the same way it helped Jerime last year. We we will see.
Could Be, I think
the benefits of two PGs does show in the lack of turnovers. UCLA is really good at not turning the ball over. I, like you, would rather see Powell play more but I think Anderson and Jones make each other look better on offense. It really is one of those cases where the sum is greater than the parts.
I am not sold on the moving Jones to the two spot as the reason but I am sold that two PGs does seem to help this team on offense.
Bad Starts Part 2, M2M or Zone
ASU game is so hard to make any judgments on because while they are a bad team but not a bad shooting team. ASU is #62 shooting in the nation which is really a shocking number when you consider how bad they are at everything else. If they were just okay at other things, this number would be higher. So it is not unthinkable for them to start shooting hot.
But the problem why do a number of teams start shooting hot. Is it the jitters issue above? The M2M defense? Zone?
I do think it is unfair to nail CBH for not being willing to change. We no longer see David Wear at 3 even though we know have only one backup 1-3. That was a colossal error and CBH seems to realize it. CBH has also played zone every game now. He is keeping that weapon in the arsenal. In the Richmond and Stanford games, we started to come back after we played zone. But we also stopped turning the ball over at the same time as well.
The only thing for sure is we are not dominant in M2M or Zone because we are not that athletic. CBH needs to keep playing both. Actually with the exception of CAL our defense has been good considering the limitations. Cal had more talent and out coached CBH. Surprisingly UCLA has a chance to close on both if Smith continues to improve and others get better. (For example, notice that the Wears are scoring more inside now.)
But if CBH sticks to m2m for a whole game, or does not try it when the situation cries out for change or a zone, it will be on his head. He SHOULD know he will need to play zone this year.
I don't think it's unfair to nail Howland
David Wear should have never played at the 2 spot. The fact that he even though Wear would be an option at 3 and it took him almost 10 games to realize that is a massive issue. Same goes with the fact that it too him numerous games to realize we needed to play zone.
How the f**k did it take him so long when it was obvious to others? If our team practiced zone during pre-season we would have been that much better prepared for the season and perhaps would not have lost games like the one against LMU. It is more than fair to call out Howland’s stubborness which is a big reason for the pathetic state of our current basketball program.
He didn't see a need to practice zone in the preseason
because the players could play M2M against their own offense. Likely because we don’t have fast/athletic enough players to test our M2M defense to its full potential. That’s my guess anyway…we can be really offensively inept.
NAh, but this is not the team he thought he had
Nelson was a good M2m defender (when motivated)
Lamb has been a disappointment on D
Parker was supposed to be the 3 and could be a good m2m
Smith was/is not the player we thought.
The only guy playing d at or better than the predicted level is Jones.
by DCBruins on Jan 8, 2012 7:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding Josh Smith
To lose more weight is not an option for him. It is a requirement, prerequisite if he expects to have a productive NBA career after he leaves UCLA.
Right now, he performs in spurts, whenever the game motivated him. This is his second season at UCLA already. KLove mentored him for a while when he first came. I am sure Howland can arrange other former players to do the same if JSmith is interested.
I don’t worry losing that weight will also mean losing the edge in the paint, underneath the basketball especially. Tell him to look at Charles Barkeley’s game film. It was a skilled, albeit rotund but surprisingly swift person bulldozing defenders, not a round mound, immovable body ramming defenders over on its way to the basket.
Either way, it scores points but I prefer it done in the former fashion.
It'll be interesting to see what they do against Oregon/OSU
Cal absolutely ripped them apart in the 2nd half today. I thought Oregon had the speed to move with Cal, but they clearly didn’t. Oregon’s performance tonight looked a lot like Arizona on Thursday night. But I wouldn’t think the Oregon trip to be a breeze just yet.
I do think Devoe Joseph will likely draw Tyler Lamb, and given Lamb’s performance against Carrick Felix, I’m confident about this matchup. The other interesting matchup will be T/D Wear against EJ Singler. Very similar game that all three have, although based on what I’ve seen, Singler is clearly the more physical player.
As for OSU, not much there that I can think of other than Jared Cunningham, who again will likely be guarded by Lamb. Two straight games of tough defensive assignments means the offense will have to come from elsewhere. Smith will obviously have favorable matchups both nights, as will Zeek.
Josh Smith represents evrtything that is wrong with Howland's program
Talented but fat. No respect for the honor he is accorded every time he wears that special uniform. I don’t care he can play decently in small spurts. Coach would never allow that on one of his teams. Howland shouldn’t either.
Coach
also wouldn’t allow tattoos, long hair, etc, etc. We get it. But you know, there was only one Coach. 99.9% (if not 100%) of the teams out there fall short of his standards in some form or fashion. At some point it becomes unproductive to constantly make comparisons. I just find that in general, today’s players are far, far more immature than those who played for Coach…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
+1000
can you imagine how Coach would feel to have his example used not as inspiration but as a stick to lambast other coaches?
Tim Tebow: nice kid, but he’s no Jesus.
Tim Tebow: nice kid, but he’s no Jesus.
How do you know? Explain 316 to me. GBruin you reading this?
I am not sure
Coach allowed a lot of at the time some would consider crap like tattoos. Although he would never say so, from books it seems he hated the Walton years as the players would meditate, protest, and “do their own thing.” The locker room was hard on Wooden’s Midwestern sensibilities. I think if he were coaching today, he would not fight the tattoos, at least the ones the kids got when he was not around.
But Wooden was about the details, all the details. (Remember he started by showing players how to put on their socks.) He would fight over hair, shoes (no way one player would wear bright gold), bodysuits, etc. His teams were teams. No individual is going to stand out.
I think one of Wooden’s greatest coaching jobs was Sidney Wicks. WIcks was head case central and I don’t think Reeves had much on him. He benched WIcks his Sophomore year (first year eligible) even though he was the second best player on the team. Wicks was amazing. A PF who could shoot anywhere and handle the ball. But he knew Wicks was not a team player so his Sophomore year he sat while two guys not as good played .
Maybe, Howland should have benched Smith or like last year put him on a non-basketball conditioning program to start the year when he showed up overweight. Wooden talks about his biggest ally coaching was the bench.
Of course, people would have been yelling at Howland, why not play Smith more. The Wears are his pets. But that is the funny thing, the latter happen anyway.
Good Points
You said “Howland should have benched Smith”. You are absolutely correct. There is no doubt Smith was a key asset to this team. Howland could not reverse himself…suggests less discipline than many coaches. And he was wrong…and he knows it. A team without Smith would have a superior record…and would not now be facing…a must win every game. If this team does very well but does not “make” it Smith will catch the hell he deserves from the players. Hopefully the coach will learn. Smith learned zero…particularly team member responsibility. And on the Wears yes favorites…but who one earth works harder than they do? The work ethic they have seems unusual and rare compared to the rest of the team…
Nelson's
First Reeves and now Raymond dismissed from UCLA teams. What a couple of clowns. Probably throwing away their futures.

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