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Illinois AD Officially Has Higher Standards than UCLA AD

Attention, Dan Guerrero: this is how a real Athletic Director does it.

An article on the ESPN Chicago website discussed Illinois AD Mike Thomas and his refusal this week to publicly give a vote of confidence to his men's basketball coach, Bruce Weber. You know what that likely means for Weber. It means Thomas has high standards for the University of Illinois, things aren't good enough with the basketball program, and the AD is not going to stand for it.

We know this because he not only said it publicly, he said it directly to an Illinois fan. Almost as impressive as AD Thomas having high standards, and making these comments is that he made them in direct conversation with the Illinois fan base.

Thomas took about an hour of phone calls Saturday morning from a mostly disgruntled Illinois basketball fanbase on WDWS-1400 AM in Champaign, Ill.

"I need to look at the total body of work and all of the things that come into play as far as making those decisions. Because those are important decisions and they affect a lot of people. I'll tell you this: No one wants to win more than I do. I'm here to win championships."

"You certainly look at the competitive piece," Thomas said. "You look at your recruiting. You look at trends, the trajectory. Are they on an upward trajectory? You look at other things. You look at other things that might be off the floor as they relate to compliance and academics."

Here is an AD who gets it. If only our own AD had similar standards.

At a quick glance, Illinois basketball is having a decent year right now. The Illini are 16-8 in a very competitive B1G Ten that features 5 teams that are ranked in the AP Top 25 (#3 Ohio State, #11 Michigan State, #21 Wisconsin, #22 Michigan, #23 Indiana. Those teams account for half of the Illini's losses, with nationally ranked UNLV and Missouri accounting for 2 others. Illinois is certainly in play for a tournament berth. Contrast that to our Bruins at 14-11 and 7th place in a conference that has no teams receiving votes, and with 9 of our losses coming against unranked teams. By any comparison, Illinois has got it all over us right now.

But that's not good enough for the Illinois AD.

"Is it realistic that we in any sport are going to win the Big Ten championship every year?" Thomas said. "It's probably not likely. But even in those situations, you want to be part of the discussion. You want to feel that energy and excitement is there when you get towards the end of the season.

"And then when you're looking into the NCAA postseason play, it's not a question of whether you're in the tournament, now you're sitting there saying, 'Where are we going to be seeded?' "

Nor has recent history been that bad for Illinois. In 8 years under Weber, the Illini are 83-53 (61%), reached the NCAA Tournament in 6 of those years and made it to the Championship game in his second year (they lost to UNC), and have just one sub .500 season. Not too bad, right? Lots of schools would be happy to have that sort of success over nearly a decade.

But that's not good enough for the Illinois AD.

Star-divide

"For us, we have to compete at the highest level with our men's basketball program," Thomas said. "There's no doubt about. We have to be in the higher ranks of the Big Ten Conference. Let's face it, in the Big Ten, not just men's basketball but for anything, if you're in the upper crust, you're a top team nationally.

"That's where Illinois used to have a history of, a good part of history has been that kind of program. We need to not only get to be that kind of program -- [what] is more difficult is to sustain that."

Holy cow. Those sounds like words I would expect from an AD at Duke or UNC or Kansas, or, well, even U.C.L.A, demanding that his school maintain a certain standard. Illinois is lucky. AD Thomas clearly has higher standards than most, and especially more than a certain Chianti loving AD in Westwood.

With no disrespect to the University of Illinois (which means I'm about to say something disrespectful) but when I think of them, I think of a middle of the road team in a major conference stocked with perennial powers. Big Ten football is Michigan and Ohio State and Wisconsin and Penn State and Michigan State and now Nebraska, and then a bunch of others (which actually add up to 12, but the math is not the point). Being number seven there sounds not great but certainly respectable. More than that, Illinois has had some very good football teams recently. They played in the Rose Bowl just 4 years ago, were in 2 BCS bowls in the last decade, and won bowl games their last 2 years. In basketball, the Illini have historically looked up at programs like Michigan State and Indiana and Purdue and Michigan and tOSU and Wisconsin. Again, being number seven in that group doesn't seem that terrible. Despite that, Illinois had that Final Four run a few years back and has almost always appeared in the NCAA Tournament since the early 1980's. There are a lot of teams that have done much much worse.

Illinois has typically been a solid program with some very good years here and there, and I will always personally love Champaign-Urbana as being the birthplace of REO Speedwagon (which is currently playing on my computer right now, but that's not the point either), but I don't think one could argue that Illinois is always considered alongside Michigan and Ohio State when one thinks of the Big Ten.

And, as I've said, that isn't good enough to the Illinois AD. This is about an AD who is unwilling to settle for being a second tier program, even in a conference of traditional national powers, even when they themselves have the reputation of being second tier behind those bigger names.

We saw this first hand last December when we were squaring off with them in the Hunger Game in San Francisco, and we know how that went. Like U.C.L.A., Illinois was featuring a new head football coach. Unlike U.C.L.A., Illinois was not backed into a corner by alumni calling for a change. Thomas was out front in the demand for excellence back then.

"I assessed the entire program and felt that it was time for a change in leadership," Thomas said. "It is imperative that our program shows some consistency and competes for championships, and I think a change in coaches can help us get there sooner. I wasn't here seven years ago when Ron Zook took over as coach, but it's clear the program is in better shape than what he inherited. I believe we need new leadership to take the program to the level to compete for championships on a consistent basis. This is an extremely competitive conference, and we are determined to go head-to-head with the very best."

Contrast this to Guerrero, after a decade of decline and a recent spate of embarrassing blowouts, being hauled kicking and screaming by irate alumni to the forced decision to replace our football coach. How do you think AD Thomas would have handled that situation? Don't even get me started on how coaching searches were conducted. And this is to say nothing of Guerrero's acceptance of mediocrity or decline in so many areas under his responsibility.

We don't hear Thomas justifying his University's average performances in football and now basketball by diverting attention away from what he sees as substandard programs by instead talking about his NCAA runner up women's volleyball team, or last year's baseball regional finalist, this year's top 10 wrestling squad or top 20 men's tennis team or top 20 women's gymnastics team or #2 men's gymnastics team. Kudos to the student-athletes there, btw. Illinois is obviously having a lot of success with its Olympic sports right now.

But that's not good enough for the Illinois AD. And he doesn't fake dealing with it by issuing a weekly newsletter with a single hand-picked softball of a question that doesn't begin to address the root of anything that is wrong with an athletic department. He went face to face (well, technically, voice to voice) on the the radio where anyone who wanted could call in and speak to him directly. This wasn't just an on-air interview. The fans spoke to him and he spoke back to them.

Can anyone imagine that we'll hear Guerrero taking calls from the Bruin fans on KLAC anytime soon? Why bother with little things like communication and accountability when you are already pulling down a $700K salary? Imagine an AD responding to concerns from his fan base, in public, voice to voice.

Thomas acknowledged he understood Illinois fans were passionate about their basketball team. He said he has to eliminate his emotions when making a decision.

"I've got to filter that out of it," Thomas said. "I have to look at it more in an objective way. That's also part of my job description. I can't get hung up in the emotional part of this, and that's very easy to do."

With our current debate here on BN regarding the future of Coach Howland, I am struck by the idea of trusting an AD to make the tough decisions. Whether we want Howland to stay or go becomes even more problematic when you consider who is currently in charge to make the decision, and who will find a replacement if a new coach is needed. So while I think that the ceiling for U.C.L.A. Basketball has become pretty low with Howland running the show, I can't say that firing him now is necessarily a viable option. Dan seems satisfied to sip more Chianti, pocket an outlandish amount of the California taxpayers' money, and fiddle while Westwood burns.

I asked Joe Kutsunis, the manager at the Illinois blog Hail To The Orange, what Illini fans thought of Thomas (and a big HT to him for his help on this).

At the very least, Thomas is someone who is not emotionally invested in the status quo in the Athletic Department. He understands that attendance, revenues, and national profile are paramount to running successful programs, and has stated that it is these sort of real and quantifiable factors that drive his decisions on retaining, dismissing, and hiring coaches.

The only thing that anyone can really ask of their AD is that they assess every situation without emotion and make the decision that just makes the most sense.

Illinois is more than a bit ahead of U.C.L.A. in football and basketball these days. So if things at Illinois aren't good enough for their AD Mike Thomas (who, btw, makes $475K), why is our last decade at U.C.L.A., where I would argue that our tradition is more rich and our standards should be higher, apparently good enough for Dan Guerrero?

That one's easy. It isn't good enough. Which is why Dan Guerrero isn't good enough for U.C.L.A.

Attention, Chancellor Block...

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The question is begged . . .

In Dan’s decade of “service” to his alma mater, has there actually been any positive results accross the gamut of our athletic programs (other than baseball, which still requires upgraded facilities)?

by charnaw on Feb 14, 2012 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

Two major revenue programs have been gutted under him

The hoops program is such garbage is that people are actually looking for silver lining in a potential NITrash season.

And people still want to donate to his athletic “program”?

by Nestor on Feb 14, 2012 3:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Again no disrespect to Illinois but....

There is absolutely no argument at our tradition is more rich here and that our standards must be higher. And there is no argument that when it comes to football, over the past decade Illinois has been the better program.

This is a great write up because I feel like so often I’m running around saying strap on is awful and needs to go but I lack the comparison to show people what a proper AD should be doing and saying.

by jwher on Feb 14, 2012 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

You should have all the ammo

If you click on the tag “fire Dan Guerrero” under our posts or click on “UCLA athletics” section which you can access from the top of the left hand columns. We have posts after posts advancing our arguments with facts packaged and organized in those sections.

by Nestor on Feb 14, 2012 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I've got like a full magazine of ammo now

But I do hear a lot of people respond back with like, “oh well, maybe he’s doing the best he can” and “what’s he supposed to do in such a bad economy at a public school.” Now I can point to this and give specifics about what other AD’s (at public schools and paid way less than strap on) do for their fans.

by jwher on Feb 14, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

To those who say "Maybe he's doing the best he can" you can always suggest that they read about G. Harrold Carswell

Nixon nominated Carswell for the Supreme Court. There was lots of opposition based on positions he had taken earlier in his political career. What did him in, in my view, was the “help” offered by Senator Hruska. Here’s what Wikipedia says:

“In defense against charges that Carswell was ‘mediocre’, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, stated:

‘Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.’"

You can ask the “he’s doing the best he can” crowd if they would support mediocrity anywhere else at UCLA? Or coming closer to home, would they want their next plane ride to be piloted by someone who was as good a pilot as Chianti Dan is an athletic director? Would they want their open heart surgery done by the Doughnut Dan of heart surgeons, who was doing the best he can? What happened to excellence?

I have no patience for those apologists.

by Fox 71 on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said

Block would not tolerate incompetence anywhere else on campus.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Feb 14, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow great quote

Your second paragraph really highlights the frustration I have with these people I graduated with a couple years ago. They are the first ones who would be outraged if their programs dropped in the rankings and in fact were all pissed as hell when $C jumped us in the US News rankings. And yet they don’t see how football excellence (albeit cheating) helped $C gain national exposure and coincided with $C’s massive fundraising and subsequent rise in the rankings. They totally miss the correlation, and these are South Campus Grads!

by jwher on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

not me!

i was still at school during the final 4s
but since i started reading BN i didnt know how deep the troubles of
the U.C.L.A. AD ran…
dont h8 on south campus,
doing your best is not good enough!

by UCLA_beer&mathematics on Feb 15, 2012 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

What's wrong with our AD?

How could a guy that straps it on every single day have lower standards? Does Mike Thomas strap it on everyday? obviously no. So there it is.

by cyberdbk on Feb 14, 2012 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

“Can anyone imagine that we’ll hear Guerrero taking calls from the Bruin fans on KLAC anytime soon?”

I can only imagine one such scenario. First, it will be for 3 minutes, not an hour. Second, the callers will be screened and inerviewed before going on air. Third, up to 2 questions will be selected. Hey, that’s a 100% increase over the weekly blog. Fourth, it will be tape-delayed, so that any embarrassing calls that get through can be blipped.

Let’s go to the phones. Caller Homer in Pacoima, what is your question for the AD?

Homer: Uh, yeah. What makes UCLA so wonderful?

by Bruinut on Feb 14, 2012 3:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Taking a call from Mark in Westwood, yes Mark?

Mark: “How did we stumble across such great leadership in our AD? We’re so thankful to have an AD who straps it on everyday and provides his fanbase with an up to date blog. Thanks Dan!”

Dump Dan!

by bruinclassof10 on Feb 15, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

(after Dan comes up for air..., with the tape-delay turned off)

Host: Thanks, Dan. And, it looks like we might have time to squeeze in one more call. Bruinclassof10, what is your question for Dan?

BC10: Me? (under breath: I can’t believe I got through.) Um, Dan, by what stretch of warped imagination can you justify drawing your bloated salary, when UCLA athletics is spiraling down the drain and you’re busy strapping…

Host: Oh, I’m sorry. We’ve run out of time. Those on hold, call back next week. I see Tydides, Bellerophon, and tasser10 waiting for their chance to ask Dan. Until next week, this is Ash Kisser, your host for the Three-Minute Ask Dan Hour.

by Bruinut on Feb 15, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

oh man

This has the potential to be an epic fanpost thread of its own.

by Nestor on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thomas used to be the AD at Cincinnati

where he hired Mark Dantonio, then Brian Kelly, then Butch Jones. His actions at Illinois don’t surprise me in the slightest. He’s one of the best AD’s around and showing us exactly how a good AD runs an athletic department. When UCLA wakes the hell up and fires Dan, Thomas or someone like him is the quality of person they should be talking to to run the Morgan Center.

Two roads diverged in a wood and I – I tweeted my followers to ask which I should take

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Feb 14, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

And who is going to fire Dan and hire a quality person?

There is no reason to think Block would do anything like that. Our school really, really needs an enema.

by Fox 71 on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I am as taken with Mike Thomas and his comments . . .

. . as I was with Mike Leach and the NY Times piece on his methodology.

This is our guy.

Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. ~ Vince Lombardi

by MexiBruin on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

Notre Dame fired Bob Davie and said the very same thing too

As Lou Holtz’s handpicked successor at South Bend, Bob Davie would have been considered acceptable if the football program he coached was not that fabled one, with a Golden Dome overlooking campus. Yet he never took the Fighting Irish to its preeminence in NCAA football the way Holtz did, nor according to its storied traditions dictated that he or anybody coaching in South Bend should.

Notre Dame president said it well. Because this is Notre Dame football, the bar must be set high and stay high. Bob Davie’s records were not acceptable, period.

Now the program went through Tyrone Willingham, then Charlie Weiss before Brian Kelly came on board. Along the way, a fake one with false resume conned his way in, only to bow out after acknowledging what he did not really have on his resume. Neverthless, the Fighting Irish cannot be faulted for trying. Whether Kelly will make it remains to be seen.

The university president’s words applied well with our situation too. We cannot tolerate mediocrity, or move the goal post to fit some diminished objectives. Whatever Guerrero has in mind, he is guilty of doing exactly that. Unfortunately, chancellor Block bought into it hook, line, sinkers.

by Htse005 on Feb 14, 2012 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

This Fire Dan 'movement' isnt getting anywhere

I know Occupy UCLA Athletics tried to get some traction, and there were petitions, calls to the Chancellors office, but nothing is gaining any traction. There should be a FireDan site, something simple and easy to remember, and focused on one task. FireDan.com is owned by someone who is not answering any emails to release the site, or sell it. The owner could be a Morgan Center crony or Dans cousin, or maybe some other Dan who is the object of scorn, for all anyone knows. I think Occupy UCLA AD as a movement name just was too political sounding and there is no need to bring in distracting messages. There should be focus. FireDan is very focused. DumpDan.com is also a good name, but they guy who owns that is not answering emails either. FireDanGuerrero.com or DumpDanGuerrero.com can obviously be used but the domain names are a bit long and people will misspell his last name. Its not as easy to remember and so it wouldnt be as effective.

I am too busy with my own start up in a foreign country and with a little one at home to take care of to put time into this. But we as a community have had success with LoseLavin.com and DumpDorrell.com. Focus and simplicity work. If someone wants to keep trying to get in touch with the owners of FireDan.com or DumpDan.com please do so. One is known, one is under private registration. There are other options that I wont name so that Dan and his sympathizers dont beat us to them.

If we get a hold of one of those domains then I will certainly help someone put that site up and help make it effective. It’s also clear that the OccupyUCLAAD.com founder knows some things about SEO and setting up easy to use blogs. Lets have someone step up and get this thing started.

former editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Feb 15, 2012 3:30 AM PST reply actions  

OccupyUCLAAD.com = OccupyUCLAAthletics.com

former editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Feb 15, 2012 3:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like a great idea- Pardon my ignorance

I have a variation on one of the names above. But how can I tell if the domain is available? When I typed in my variation, the message came back “Internet Explorer could not find xxx”

I assume that means it is ripe for the taking.

I also share your concern that Dan’s cronies (and he must have some, otherwise he would be unemployed) are looking at this, and would jump.

What are your suggested next steps? Perhaps we could use e-mail through Bruins Nation to talk about the variation.

Again, the more avenues the better. Great idea.

by islandbruin on Feb 15, 2012 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

(adding to the ignorance, probably)

You can reserve domain names (that is, pay for their usage for a period of time) without having to build a web site. So, entering a url that results in a browser error message does not necessarily mean that the url you entered is yours for the reserving.

You can use a “whois” service, such as internic or betterwhois to see if the domain name is available. If a name is reserved, the information that the holder decides to make available is shown.

When I read BruinCore’s post above, I rushed out to see if CanDan.com was available. Unfortunately, it’s not. It’s owned by a Canadian company (thus the “Can,” probably).

I think BruinCore is right in what he says. One could could start a thread, soliciting suggestions for domain names, but that could backfire. If someone comes up with a good name, it would be better to do it, as you did, in private. That is, first to see if the name is available, and if it is, then to keep it quiet until that person or an ally has reserved it.

by Bruinut on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Life In The Big 10

Doesn’t take much to get a coach on the proverbial “hot seat” in the Big 10 conference. From being a U of Iowa grad and being in Big 10 country since I was a little kid, I know what I’m talking about. Iowa fans always had a lot of mixed feelings about Tom Davis because, while he won consistently, there were many, many times when he couldn’t get Iowa past the second round in the Dance and that began to wear thin with a big chunk of the Iowa fan base. Then there were a couple of years when he just missed the tournament and that gave that prick Bob Bowlsby all he needed not renew his contract after the 1999 season.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 AM PST reply actions  

I might be a little controversial here

but can we stop calling him “Chianti Dan”, and start referring to him as “Strap On”. I know this is supposed to be a wholesome arena but seriously how out of touch does a dude have to be to go on the record and say he “straps it on”. It makes me laugh and die at the same time because he is our purported leader.

by Strathmore&Gayley on Feb 15, 2012 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

Been "Ridin' The Storm Out" for too long

I think is time once again to start our email/call to GBlock campaign. Good time, now that we are seeing the further damage to our prestigious basketball program under Dan’s impotence(strap it on Dan!)

by Angelitos on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I got that. Nice!

I agree with your comment, too. It’s time for Dan to fly.

greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com

by gbruin on Feb 15, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting article, gbruin

As a Big 10 fan (Ohio State) I am always apprehensive when OSU takes the field/court against Illinois. I guess my question is; do the Bruins create the same reaction to their opponents’ fans?

UCLA has too much of a history of success to be going through what you are right now. Good luck in your search for AD, HC, etc.

"I'm not a psychopath, Anderson, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research." - Sherlock Holmes

by KenK on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

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