Bruins Denied Their Coffee, Epically Fail To Close In Seattle 69-71
As opposed to the Alec Baldwin/Glengarry Glen Ross-level job that the UCLA football coaches did in closing into National Signing Day, the Bruin basketball team gave the Razzie judges something to think about with an epic fail over the final few minutes in Seattle, blowing a 11 point lead in the final 4 minutes, and failing to convert after gaining the final possession, losing to the Huskies by the score of 71-69. As a reminder, UCLA has still not beaten a Div. I team outside of Southern California this season.
The game started off with Washington playing their usual loose, not so disciplined play which allowed the Bruins to play them close, but never really gain an advantage in the opening half of the game. While UCLA did take a small lead through periods of the half, the Huskies nailed a 3-pointer with about 3 seconds left to take a 1 point lead into halftime. Washington racked up fouls in the 2nd half, getting into the Bonus less than halfway into the 2nd half. And while UCLA was able to take a double-digit lead deep into the second half, the effect of the crowd/SPTR's combined together with the Howland era Bruins' typical struggles in Seattle began to take effect. Another Husky 3 closed the deficit to just one point with under 4 minutes to go, while a questionable charge call took Tyler Lamb out of the game in the final couple of minutes.
Josh Smith was looking as motivated as I have seen him at UCLA in his return home. 14 points in the first half, and would go on to score 24 for the game while pulling down 9 rebounds, thanks in part to Jerime and Zeek taking the revolutionary step of feeding the big man in the post. David Wear scored 10 points, while Travis Wear scored 8 and pulled in 8 rebounds of his own. Zeek scored 11, but on 3-12 shooting. That ugly shooting percentage was one major part of the Bruins story tonight. Even with Josh's monster night, the team shot just 44% from the field; when the Huskies adjusted after the Bruins took their late lead by switching to a zone defense, UCLA was unable to attack it - the complete lack of any work with zone defenses in practice for the past few weeks certainly can not have helped.
While even the ESPN announcers came out and said that Lamb's final foul was a bullshit SPTR call, the fact remains that the Bruins still led the game, and had the opportunity to close it out. It might feel good to blame shit like this on the refs, and no doubt that the selection of game officials that the Pac-12 has in its arsenal suck. But in the big picture, with the level of play that the Bruins have shown this season - over the last 3 seasons really - the team has simply not played well enough, with enough skill and discipline to have earned the respect to get calls from the refs. We can all agree that the SPTR's do truly suck, but when a team plays as poorly as ours did down the stretch tonight, there is no right to whine about their effect.
The Bruins will next play on Saturday afternoon at Washington State. This is your post-Washington thread.
GO BRUINS!
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So pissed I want to throw something...
A soft 2-3 zone for the last 6 minutes and we have no clue how to attack it. Maybe if I hadn’t seen Howland’s quote about not practicing zone (offense included I am sure) I could put some onus on the team. Anyone else hear Dakich BEGGING our offense to attack the free throw line? Smith has the best game of his season and can’t even get a sniff down the stretch? I guess no lead is safe when you have a team as fragile as this Bruin team, but the fact they didn’t have a plan of attack against the zone was hard to believe. Tremendous irony that the coach who calls constant unnecessary timeouts didn’t call one in the last possession when we obviously badly needed it. I want to support the man but I have lost much of my faith in him. One final note, I cannot believe how bad Tyler Lamb was tonight. Jeesh.
I'm done...
We’ve followed Bruin b-ball since 1964. No more. Same with football. This is pathetic. Sorry Wizard.
Ben Howland needs to be fired immediately...
This team is an embarrassment; this program is an embarrassment; Ben Howland is an embarrassment!
meh
as always, FIRE DAN GUERRERO
doesn’t matter if we keep Howland or can him, Guerrero will mess up the basketball hire. Focus on Dan first.
Man, what a tough game.
Biggest stat of the game: Anderson and Smith (17/23 at 73.0%) versus rest of the team (10/38 at 26 percent). We hit two more shots, we probably win.
The odd thing about the UW’s switch to zone late is that we pretty much handled any zone they through at us earlier. I counted, I believe, 6 possessions of zone prior to that last stint. We had so much success, that they didn’t really use it again until the end of the game.
We went 1-5 (including Powell’s miss) against it late. The first three possessions were terrible, with Anderson, Zeke, Powell/Lamb, and DWear sitting around the top, with Smith down low. Prior to that point, Howland generally had the two Wears playing against the zone, and both would pop into the middle (as they were suppose to) and receive the ball. Fourth possession, Wear pops to the middle (after Smith did the same exact thing), looks around for the pass, and then shoot the wide open jumper. Last possession, well it actually wasn’t a terrible look.
Anyways, it was the execution, rather than the knowledge, at the end of the game that was really lacking. Tough loss for sure. Good thing we have the Nation to grieve to.
Keep your heads up everyone. It’s been a rough four years. Remember, we won a game in the tournament last year, but then last our three and a half best players: Lee, Honeycutt, Reeves, and JS. I’m not laying blame one way or the other (haven’t taken a stance yet), but in my opinion, that’s the #1 reason why THIS team is bad.
I gotta ask
What is with the Howland hate? Just the coaching style? The three final fours then nothing?
My opinion, give him one more year on the hot seat, and see if he can make it happen. The issue right now is that I would rather take Howland next year, than go for a new coach. First, I don’t know if we can poach a big name out there, so we will have to put a flier on a up and comer. I’d rather see Howland for one more year than take that chance.
Just an opinion – def interested in yours.
It's not hate
Objectively, he’s not getting the job done, and the facts surrounding his tenure no longer support his continued employment with us. Nor do we see it getting better, and certainly not getting back to elite status like our peers. The only thing that’s really keeping this from going nuclear is the fact that Chianti is at the helm, and that we don’t trust him to hire a suitable replacement.
How can you insinuate that the "Howland hate" is unwarranted?
Is missing the tournament 2 out of three years acceptable at UCLA? Is blowing an 11 point lead with 4 mins left because your team doesn’t know how to play against a basic zone acceptable? If so then the Howland hate is unwarranted
It's definitely not hate
It’s disappointment.
You go ahead and look at the last four years, and tell me that he shouldn’t be on the hot seat this year. Ideally, I’d rater replace Chianti Dan first and have his replacement find a new coach. But surely we cannot be alone in thinking that basketball at UCLA is utterly in shambles.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Howland's teams are failing the eye test. This one more than most.
It’s not just that they are losing, or even the teams to which they are losing, it’s the WAY they are losing.
by Seth Chandler on Feb 3, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Stover 4 minutes, Zone 0 minutes - Howland fails his hard-working players.
CBH did almost zero to put his team in a position to win tonight. The only plus I would give him is playing Powell plenty of minutes to keep all his wings/guards reasonably fresh. But everytime he subbed Josh out, he put in T Wear. With 2 Wears on the floor, it was open season on our basket for the athletic Wash wings and guards. And it isn’t as if Travis was having a great game offensively.
Just not enough talent to overcome the lack of in-game coaching, as well as the amazing play of a true blue-chipper on the other side in Terrance Ross. Guy just killed us.
THe players showed heart; they did not give up.
Isn't it funny
How the game where Powell gets, I believe, 20 minutes, which might the most he’s had all season, are in the game where he’s coming off of illness and still doesn’t look 100%? Did I say funny? I meant sad. Sad and pathetic. Like how our coaching, scheme, and player rotations have been all year long.
The zone
I know there’s a lot of talk about “using the zone”, but you realize that our man to man got us up 10 with 5 minutes left. After that, it wasn’t the zone that killed us, it was UW’s (Ross as you correctly pointed out) shooting.
I don’t know about Howland, but I do know one thing about basketball. It’s a “work in progress” throughout the season. Great teams, I believe, play zone (Syracuse) or man (Kentucky). Then they build on it throughout the year. I once had a coach that compared a team that “switches” to a team that switches out their quarterbacks. For whatever its worth, I tend to agree. But who knows. Tough loss, go bruins. Good points mplsbruin.
Work in progress. I get it.
But I still think a little change up might have helped. Wash is not a great shooting team from beyond the arc this year, and our inability to deny dribble penetration when facing really good teams is well known.
As far as our Man D keeping us close, don’t discount the Wash turnovers (not all of them)
which had little to do with our D.
Howland could have used some practice time to on the zone. He could have had some in-game experience during our wins last week. He did neither. Fro the second time this year, it seems he was mislead by home wins using Man against weak/over-rated opponents.
by mplsbruin on Feb 2, 2012 11:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
At least half of the turnovers
Were UW players throwing it directly to us, getting caught in the air because they’re poorly coached, or trying to make plays they have no business trying to make.
Sorry. Howland took the air out the ball in the last 5 minutes and played not to lose, . . .
. . . instead of going for the jugular. Effing housecats.
This, combined with a few made shots by UW, hat got the fans into it, the SPTRs did what they always do at UW, and UW contiuned to hit some big shots.
Yes, I know that UW went to a zone, but we looked completely clueless and sat on the ball for 20-25 seconds before getting into any kind of “offense,” which led to traps, bad shots, TOs, and a 13-0 run the other way. That does not happen to elite teams or even good teams.
It was an utter embarrassment and it is totally on Howland’s shoulders, as he admitted that we did nto practice zone for weeks. Even if we didn’t, why announce it to the world? Romar was grasping at straws at the end by going with the zone (knowing that Howland hadn’t practiced breaking it) and, sure enough, he picked the short straw.
Pathetic.
BTW, I am 0 for 4 the last 4 times watching the Bruins (Cal; OSU; OU; and now UW).
I just need to let it go and stop torturing myself with this dumster fire.
Stover
I love Stover, but he’s got a huge problem. When I say “offense”, I’m not talking about his ability to shoot or handle the ball—I’m talking about offensive sets. He is a disaster in our offensive sets. Howland has 3-4 sets he runs with the two Wears, and 1-2 sets he runs with JS (to get him the ball mostly). You’ll see that in the Wear sets, everyone is moving, setting picks, and that’s where the comment “greatest offensive execution of a Howland team” comes to fruition. Just watch Stover next time he is in—they can only run 1 simple pick and roll set in there with him. It bogs everything down terribly. He didn’t play b/c we really weren’t worried about their bigs—their guards did us in. Yes, maybe he could have helped downlow by swatting shots, but it’s possible our scoring would be punished terribly.
Maybe it’s on Howland or maybe they don’t have enough practice time, I don’t really know. The argument that his defensive contribution is greater than his offensive inefficiency is colorable. All I do know that if Stover wants to play at the next level, he’s got A LOT of work to do on his offensive IQ. Just like JS needs to lose weight, Stover needs to go work on his post presence and jump shot. It kills me that a guy that athletic has absolutely no offensive skills.
Too bad every time the Wears are in
It’s also some of the worst defensive execution of any Howland team. It might as well be a layup line out there.
I have to believe Stover has been in the CBH dog house.
He hasn’t been playing him significantly since before Twee-gate. that said, I know there are a lot of Stover lovers out there, but he really is a niche player. He blocks and brings energy, but he cannot rebound or guard a man one-on-one.
Well
if you’re trying to take the ball out in the last five minutes and don’t care about scoring, isn’t it the best time to put a scary shot blocker in there, play tough defense and get some turnovers and layups? WTF!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Yes, he should play him more.
I agree. I’m just not on the side that says bench Josh for Stover.
It's never a cut and dry rule
You play the most favorable matchups to help you win a game. It’s not about “benching” or “starting”.
Howland only looks at his own team during a game to see if the players are doing what they’re supposed to be doing. He doesn’t seem to look at how the opponent is reacting.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
lamb
if u watched the game tonight, you would have seen just how terrible lamb is. it was as if everytime he touched the ball, he either contributed to a turnover, drove the ball wildly to the basket leading to a brick shot, or threw up a contested jumpshot. hes killing this team and needs to be sat in favor of powell. sadly, we wont see this happen and howland will go down with the sinking ship playing his favorite players. this season is over.
by jeunesse on Feb 2, 2012 10:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
He did not show up. We only really have four guards, and remember, Powell was super sick. Not much we can do when Lamb decides to become a 6’8’’ wing player on the baseline. He’s a good defender that can shoot and pass well, but baseline drives aren’t his thing.
agree partially
hes an overrated defender, can only shoot open threes, and makes terrible passes leading to turnovers. but tonight i agree powell wasnt available but thats a moot point since howland wouldnt have played powell lambs minutes even if he was healthy.
by jeunesse on Feb 2, 2012 11:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lamb's defense was actually good tonight.
but the guards, as a whole suck. That last 6 minutes makes me sick to my stomache. A monster night for Josh, he even went after that last rebound with passion. Yet, they stopped passing in to him. Howland actually saved a time out for once, and didn’t use it. I know there are a lot of Powell lovers out there, but that wasn’t the shot we wanted. The guards SUCK, SUCK, SUCK!
Rarely has a coach earned as much credit as Howland has having accomplished absolutely nothing of true significance
His team won’t even make the NCAA tournament on a year where Elite Eight was the lowest expectation. Fire his ass and get a legit coach who knows how to recruit and competes every year.
Okay, I am sufficiently calm right now to say ......
We are correct in thinking collectively that Howland has lost his way.
Up to this point, I was perhaps still on the fence regarding Howland until this evening’s monumental collapse at Seattle.
This one is on him, period.
We are UCLA, a name brand in NCAA athletics. So many of you said it well, even eloquently on behalf of all Bruin alums and fans alike, when you clamored against the honorable Mr. Dan Guerrero ( my ass, really ) and his imminent decision to hire Jim Mora.
I can accept our team’s narrow losses, upsets if we aleady played valiantly, still was caught short, and went down fighting nevertheless. Because I missed the debacle at Oregon, this intense level of frustrations and painful feelings caught up with me finally. In that five minute span towards the end of the second half, I believe I had never experienced a dizziness in my head as I did, when the Washington onslaught completely knocked us senseless, dazed without any clues whatsoever.
The tragedy of it all is that THIS DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN AT ALL . No, no, no.
I liked the guy. Several summers ago, we bumped into him and the honorable Mr. Dan Guerrero ( my ass, again ) in Westwood village as they waited at the curb for the valet to bring them the car. It was outside a restaurant whose name I can’t remember now.
That was the summer when KLove was due in.
UCLA basketball never looked as promising until then. Fresh off a second consecutive Final Four berth, Westwood literally pulsated with a heightened sense of anticipation. Everyone I talked to sounded so giddish with the impending arrival of KLove, realizing perhaps the moment would soon be here for Pauley to proudly again hang another banner, #12 to be exact.
Howland sounded amicable, polite to a fault and patient with all my exciting queries regarding the team’s prospects that fall. In fact, he shook my hands, my wife’s too, and thanked me for my support and enthusiasm of his team before getting into the seat next to that guy.
I thought then he was the genuine article, feeling food that UCLA basketball indeed was in good hand finally, all these decades after COACH left. Tonight’s game, coming at the heels of so many coaching missteps, players mismanagements, recruiting shortfalls etc. summarily confirmed for me that UCLA just may not be the right fit for him after this season.
This is the Stockholm Syndrome in basketball, when our team seems to have resigned themselves to mediocrity, if not identified itself to failure altogether even if the chance to excel on national TV beckoned vividly. The Seattle jinx, all the other poor losses seem to have gripped us so miserably the last few seasons that when the occasion presented itself, our team shrank and wilted without so much a whimper.
We played like we did not want to believe we could win. Compounding that was the sense that even when we were ahead, we played like we wanted to create mistakes for ourselves so that the other team could catch up and beat us. I lay this at Howland’s doorstep. It is on him. Make no mistake about it.
Finally, for a coach to be so perceived under such conditions, his days are numbered.
I am resolute in believing Howland must go
Nothing that happened tonight changed my mind.
Thanks. Next time I will
At least I know you folks all saw what I saw, feel what I feel about the coach and his team.
You should fanpost it now!
Just copy and paste, easy breezy!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
"Wars are won in the will."
Not winning a two-point game is a failure of that.
Just saw recorded game, This team sucks
No mental toughness whatsoever. Just fell apart like jello. Why do I even bother to watch.
by cyberdbk on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
To JBBruin: No, I don't hate Howland at all.
Instead, I think the Howland fatique is really weighing me down. Another year won’t matter but I know it is the reality that Howland will be Howland, no matter what.
As a Bruin alum, I watched as Gene Bartow struggled, agonized over everything he did. When he went unexpectedly, I was sorry to see him go. My thought then was akin to what many had previously said about Neuheisel, except that in the latter case, it turned out to be false hopes. Who knows. Bartow passed on already. Had we not been so impatient, things could work out.
Then Cunningham totally confused me. To this day, I never knew whether he was a chicken, so afraid of succeeding where Bartow failed or something else was bothering him to the point of letting go.
Larry Brown left UCLA at the altar time and again, but UCLA’s infatuation with him lingered so long.
Larry Farmer never was ready for prime time. So did Walt Hazzard.
Warts and all, Jim Harrick always has my support. Enough said.
Steve Lavin always should go fly a kite. Be my guest forever.
Now, Ben Howland. My goodness, you torment Westwood. You really do. I still enjoy chatting you up but I am afraid you are not my choice to coach UCLA when Pauley officially opens in future.
would people feel better if we had played them close all the way and lost by 2?
playing at UW is tough. As mentioned elsewhere, the UW referee advantage is considerable. People want to crucify Howland for the collapse, but don’t want to praise him for getting the team into a strong pre-collapse position. As JBB mentions above, ability to attack the zone wasn’t a monumental failing of Howland’s system early in the game, so claiming it is some immense blind spot is misguided; similarly, arguing that we obviously needed a zone in the last moments when man-D had been effective in the first 30 minutes is empty hindsight.
We lost. No moral victories here. This one hurts, not least because it was a chance to end a losing streak in Seattle, and we got ourselves into a position to do make it happen. But to accentuate the negative out of context is just masochism. I don’t think the team embarrassed the school today, though they fell short of the excellence rightfully expected at UCLA. This wasn’t losing 50-0. This wasn’t a brawl when getiing punked in Arizona.
You can believe that Howland is not good enough to take UCLA to its next national championship, or believe that he is not a good enough coach to walk the sideline that the greatest coach in the history of sports walked, and you can believe Howland should be fired. But the aggression directed at Howland and the team by some seems totally out of keeping with tonight’s result.
Also, FIRE DAN GUERRERO.
No, because Ls are on Howland
Ask yourself this:
Is the UCLA basketball program one that historically plays in the big dance year after year? YES
Is the UCLA basketball program one that historically competes for the Pac-12 title every year? YES
Is the UCLA basketball program one that produces WINS? YES
And relevant to this last game:
Did UCLA blow a large lead for a chance to close out a win on the road? YES
Have we won a single D1 game on the road yet this year? NO
Who’s responsible for all this? Ultimately, it’s the HC.
So when do you hold the HC responsible? It’s already been 3 seasons… 4? 5? I can’t wait that long for UCLA to stay irrelevant… I used to love March Madness! Now it’s meh…
VeniceBruin, aggression is not the word here
I am brutally blunt, without personal malice in my comments this evening. It was my impression that they subconsciously made mistakes for Lorenzo’s dogs to catch us, not out of context by any means.
When you compete at this level, especially at Seattle against its coach that AIIN"T GOT NO CLASS, we seemed to play so serenely without any killer instinct whatsoever.
Masochism ? You mean the team has grown accustomed to losing and so it does not bother them as much as it did with us watching ? I am not sure if this is masochism the way you put it. But to me, watching the debacle unfolded, nobody in UCLA jersey looked like they had any steely resolve to combat it. That bothered me immensely.
The camera caught some players on the bench looking befuddled. The only one that showed any intense look at all was Stover. It showed in his eyes. Yes, I would not have this fiery wrath, as I readily admit to you here, had we played them to the wire and lost. Then at least we held our head up high, let those dogs in Seattle know we will come at them again. This time, nothing will be spared.
Now that is my attitude.
I wrote Lorenzo after his player’s blatantly flagrant foul on the inbound pass that time. I told him that for those of us alums, we retained fond memories of him when he coached our team to national championship before Seattle hired him. We owed him the gratitude for a banner long time coming, twenty years to be exact. But I also said it behooved him, as coach of our opposing team, to hold his player accountable when he was in the wrong in the much way as we would if one of our players ever did it.
Lorenzo never had the gumption to reply me directly. The name of the return email, albeit a quick one, had a lady’s name on it. The executive secretary I believe. I was not accusing him of instructing his player to foul so flagrantly you see, unlike the former coach of Temple University. The latter was accused of doing exactly that when he sent in a bench player precisely for that purpose,as Sports Illustrated reported then.
So for an unfortunate incident like this, he had to have A WOMAN respond to my email when it concerned him directly is, to me, utterly class less, conduct unbecoming of someone previously associated with a name brand program.
Okay, they win. But there won’t be any mercy next time when we will knock them down. Feed their carcasses to the hogs.
Not sure WTH you are talking about
You are trying to praise Howland for getting the team to “a strong pre-collapse position.” Really? Okay.
But it's not a moral victory
That’s like saying “No offense, but” followed by “your mother’s a whore”.
Nestor, I honestly wish our team would put up a horrendous fight
That was what I tried to say, really.
You know, the outcome was simply excruciatingly painful. This is all I can say.
Sorry, I had had a few too many last night...
The point I was trying to make was that in a 2 point loss, the negative play cannot be so overwhelmingly larger than the positive play as some of the vitriolic comments suggest. Basketball is a streaky game with teams regularly going on runs of positive and negative play, so implicit arguments that being outscored by an opponent by 10 or 12 points in a matter of minutes is totally unacceptable don’t seem sensible to me, particularly when we think it is reasonable for our team to outscore opponents by the same margin in a similar time frame.
I wasn’t disagreeing with the main post, which gives an accurate reflection and is totally fair. I also totally agree with B’s new frontpage post. What I disagree with is some of the intemperate language hurled at Howland, and the couch coaches who imply they would have known how to manage the end of the game (apparently by going against what had been working for the first 30 mins of the game…).
Apologies for the incoherence.
Good teams
don’t have their worst stretch in the last 5 minutes. They played well for 35 minutes, but once again that all gets wiped out when you add the choke factor.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
+1
I was at the game and saw a really good UCLA team effort in one of the toughest places in the league. I was siting next to 2 former husky starters from the 60’s who commented over and over again about how well our team was playing and couldn’t believe our overall record and Pac-12 record wasn’t much better. I let them know this game was showing me something we hadn’t seen much of this year at all and I was as surprised at their play as they were.
We got bad calls AND played too tentatively during the last few minutes. However, think about the foul situation too. Two players had already fouled out and Anderson and ??? each had 4. My comment then was that I thought we were screwed and that the Huskies would win. We couldn’t play as closely as before or we’d have virtually no offensive threat on the court. The officials were serving up a tons of home cooking, and the Huskies and their fans were fired up. The noise level was actually painful (I was sitting across from the Dawg Pack). I was not happy that Powell took the last shot and agree with others that the ball should have been in Joshua’s hands. He’d either make it, make it plus one, or take 2 shots from the line.
Lamb once again looked like a lost lamb much of the time. He’s still really raw. The Wears played well, but between our 3 starting guards we got only 6 first-half points. Now if Joshua can play like that every game moving forward AND we get some production and good defense from the rest of the team, we may yet win that Pac-12 tournament.
NO moral victory, and I, too, want to see DG go, but our team played hard, played well, and I think CBH overall did a good job. Howlands’ strategy worked well, but our players on the floor couldn’t execute at the end. Not Howlands fault in my opinion. As tasser says “Good teams don’t have their worst stretch in the last 5 minutes.” This team is having troubles finishing and they’re the ones playing the game out on the court.
Then keep Howland forever
Guess what: the players are always the ones playing the game out on the court.
Guess who coaches them to play out there. Guess who is responsible for preparing them.
The knock on Howland is not that the team didn’t play hard. You clearly have not followed the discussion or the reasoning for why Howland is not meeting the standards of UCLA basketball. Anyway, “playing hard” should not be an extraordinary thing at UCLA.
Comments like yours sadden me. I understand your goodwill but find it misplaced. Howland is 1-8 in Seattle. Outcoached by Lorenzo Romar.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
It is always the players' faults
This comments are taken from the Neubian/Dorrellian/Lavinian templates.
No moral victory - and yet you are celebrating a choke
Choke jobs for the second straight game on the road. For the third time in last 4 road games Bruins imploded in second half.
Sorry we don’t harbor the same delusions of calling this a good loss when the team fell apart in last 6 mins, looking completely clueless down the stretch.
You are looking at it the wrong way
Instead of looking at it as a 2 point loss, you need to ask why did this team implode for the second straight road game in second half. There were not just one negative play, there were possessions after possessions when the team looked clueless down the stretch. There was also the obvious issue of the team looking completely unprepared and befuddled against zone defense. I think people are actually taking easy on this head coach.
If this was a place like UNC – where people still have standards for excellence, the comments would be lot more fierce and Howland would be all but done by the end of this season. Here, we are still seeing lot of sorry excuses throwing the players under the bus,
This game made up my mind about Ben Howland
Before we went on our little run that gave us the 10 point lead, we were playing with passion, intensity, and with aggressiveness. When it was clear we were in the lead and had the momentum, Ben Howland seemed to call off dogs. We seemed to play very conservatively, almost like a play not to lose mentality we’ve seen from Rick Neuheisel. Even when Washington was running an up tempo offense and full court pressure to get the ball back, it didn’t seem like our team adjusted to this. It’s like they just downright quit or just “knew they were going to win.” Romar’s players played til the very end. Our guys stopped playing at the 7 minute mark. I just couldn’t believe that.
I can’t support a coach who plays like that. I don’t think Ben Howland is going to get us anywhere. Thanks for the Final Four run coach, but what have you done since then? It’s been 4 years and soon to be 5. Ben needs to go.
What the Hell
Even though Powell was sick he contributed. Sorry the kid didnt get that last shot. It would have made playing sick worth the letdown that can only add to the frustration he must be feeling. Does CBH know his players? Has he watched film of this kid play. CBH puts Powell in, Powell gets a steal, dunk, layup, block or something that gets him fired up (playing with urgency as CBH says) and CBH pulls Powell out. Powell cools off, looses that adrenalin rush and then POOF, CBH puts Powell back in, lets Powell get pumped up and then out again. FOR WHAT? Let the kid establish some rhythm. We need the energy. Please, somebody show CBH film of what this kid Powell can do with a string of meaningful minutes, especially if he utilizes Anderson and Lamb as supporting cast. Zeke is ok for a senior but damn, he is a senior, where is his senior consistency, where is his senior eye for the abilities of his teammates.. CBH, stop putting those twins on the court together. CBH, put Stover in, you have a shotblocker, work with him in practice on his offensive skills. Whats the point of all those Assistant Coaches if noone is helping Stover. I sure hope things get better or Powell maybe out of there. With his skills and athletic ability Redshirting for a year must sure be looking good. It’s time to make something out of this damn near nothing season. Put Anderson at the Point, rest Zeke. Use Smith and Stover, I say try them on the floor together. How bad can it get? you put the twins out there together. And use B Lane. IF CBH DOES NOT LEARN HIS TEAM CHEMISTRY AND UTILIZE THEM TO SAVE THIS SEASON, STOVER, LANE POWELL & SMITH pack your bags……or crack your books because Basketball it won’t be I’M JUST SAYING
Lamb's and T.Wear's shooting
topped off a terrible, inconsistent, at times comatose effort by this team. Raves about Smith’s performance – tempered by the fact that it was in front of his family/friends. Last night should be EVERY night for Josh Smith – or at least much closer to that every game. This team had a 10 point lead on a very lethargic Washington squad, and went to sleep. I’d bash the zebras but one or two goofy calls down the stretch didn’t cause this, poor focus and poor choices did. A Lavinesque performance.
The Mad Bruin
Feel the same about Smith
I don’t know whether to be thrilled by his performance or completely pissed.
He’s a soph. Maybe he’s still learning how to bring it every night. I just don’t know.
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
We go as Smith goes for this year and next.
I’m disappointed in him too. There’s something going on in his head, and it’s too bad. Howland needs to keep him in LA this summer.
That said, given the continuing point guard situation into next year (surprise me L. Drew), and barring a miracle that we get Shabazz, I think our hopes for a Pac 12 Championship + more ride with Smith more than anyone else.
choke
Once again the team falls apart. They did it at Oregon and at Cal now here. It’s like they say to themselves " We’re ahead? we’re not supposed to be ahead" and then crumble. They should have won by 20 or more but kept losing out when thy made sloppy plays like the handoff from Josh down at the defensive end that ended up in Washington’s hands. So many mistakes to keep it close and then the meltdown. Josh, who I’ve criticized regularly plays a great game and became SUPERJOSH then Zeke and one of the wears shoot 20%. We always have one player play great and most of the rest fail to show up. Josh is certainly capable of playing every game like he did against Washington. I hope he continues like that and I hope that somebody else from the team shows up to play. If we have 3 doing a great job in the night and don’t have anyone shooting really badly like Zeke has done more than once. Remember the game that Derrick Rose went to in which Zeke stunk up the place. We need steady consistant boring positive play from 5 people each night with outstanding play from 3. No more 20% shooting from anybody. If they keep on shooting and missing then find the people who are hot and feed them.
I have to repeat what I said above.
The guards SUCK. I’m sickened by the last six minutes, when they decided to stop passing it into Josh on his career night. He even had passion going after that last rebound. He wanted to win badly—I know, for a change.
Howland even saved one time out for a change. For what? I know there are a lot of Pwell lovers out there, but that shouldn’t have been the last shot.
+1
Agree completely. Guard play has been and still is poor. They don’t do well under pressure and can’t seem to create much offense. I cringe when I see Zeke sometimes. You can just tell that he has no intention of passing or finding the open man; he’s going to take it to the hoop, usually with a shoulder down and just begging for an offensive foul. So, when we look at the loss, is it really Howland’s fault that the players on the floor can’t produce? On the one hand he is responsible since he recruited those players. But making bonehead moves and decisions, and playing badly ON the court are a bigger factor in this teams poor record than the coach. I know I’m in a minority here, but all the negativity probably makes it harder to recruit new PG’s. If you were considering what school to play at, wouldn’t read the fan blogs beforehand? When you read that the coach is no good, the recruiting is no good, the AD is no good, the players are no good, and nobody should show up to support the teams would that make you more likely or less likely want to come to UCLA?
Continuing from above
I cringe when I see Zeke sometimes. You can just tell that he has no intention of passing or finding the open man; he’s going to take it to the hoop, usually with a shoulder down and just begging for an offensive foul.
Then he should not be playing.
making bonehead moves and decisions, and playing badly ON the court are a bigger factor in this teams poor record than the coach.What exactly do you think a coach does to get players ready for a game?
all the negativity probably makes it harder to recruit new PG’sWe haven’t had a PG since 2009 and definitely were not “negative” since recently. I don’t understand how negativity would hinder PG recruiting specifically anyway…sorry but this falls in the category of Idiotic Comment.
If you were considering what school to play at, wouldn’t read the fan blogs beforehand? When you read that the coach is no good, the recruiting is no good, the AD is no good, the players are no good, and nobody should show up to support the teams would that make you more likely or less likely want to come to UCLA?I am really tired of this stupid argument. Seriously, you think that this blog is the only one noticing this stuff? Recruits know this and a lot more and don’t base their decisions on these things, if you had read anything here you’d know that.
Finally, for the love of all that makes any sense, if there is too much negativity here for you, please do not read and if you do read, do not complain. We are all doing this for free and don’t need an uninformed misguided commenter telling us what to say. If you are in the minority on this, then it should be a good sign that you are wrong. Don’t tell us what or how to write.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I'm sorry if stating a contrary opinion is viewed as telling you what or how to write. That's not the intention.
I was brought up to believe that a 1-sided discussion wasn’t a discussion. There are minority points of view that may or may not be popular, and they may be wild and crazy or “uninformed and misguided.” Part of MY UCLA education was to participate regardless of whether a view is popular or not. I’ve never been a bandwagon guy and I cherish having been mentored by great professors who encouraged even ‘stupid’ ideas as a way to bring divergent points of view into the discussion.
I don’t disagree about Zeke’s playing time, only agreeing with what others have also said right here at BN. Who amoung our current crop of players has stood out at point guard? Nobody. We have had a problem at PG for the last few years and THAT does go to Howland.
Of course recurits look at a lot of reasons. Did you read about Cassanova McKinzy who turned down Clemson because "(It was) kind of the environment and plus they had no Chick-fil-A on campus." Was my rationale any more of a “stupid argument” than McKinzy’s?
Please don’t discourage opinions that differ from the majority. We all have our views and perspectives. I enjoy 90+% of what I read here. Is it wrong to comment on the things where I do disagree? BN has a great group of people putting their time, effort, and love into this blog. Please don’t take my disagreement the wrong way. Keep up the good work here and please have a little compassion for us weak minded, idiotic, misguided, illogical, old-geezers.
You're not having a discussion
You are trying to lecture us about tone and content.
You are absolutely welcome to have a contrarian view. You are not alone. Many are torn about Howland and this is a community where you can voice your feelings, concerns and opines freely.
What you cannot do is tell us that our “negativity” is somehow hurting recruiting, and you certainly cannot blame the players when they just might be doing their best. The bottom line is, remember who in the equation is the one getting paid, and handsomely at that. That will tell you who the responsibility falls on.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
This Game Didn't Change My Opinion About Howland
I voted that he had to go when the poll came out. How many torture games will we need to endure before others come around?
As I have mentioned in other comments, my criterion is “will we be where we belong (Final 4) four years from now, with Howland as coach?” My answer is “no”, hence the vote that he has to go.
It is not because of the Stanford game. It is not because of the Oregon game. It is not because of the Washington game. It is because of the entire body of work since 2008.
One hypothetical for fellow non-HOWLERS- Most say keep Howland until DG is gone. Assuming Block does nothing (which seems a fair assumption, given his total indifference), and assuming we have another bullshit season next year (also a fair assumption, given every year since 2008), and we are talking after the 2013 season with DG and Howland both still at UCLA, would we still stay Howland has to stay?
At some point, we have to say enough is enough, and it is better to let DG take his spin at the roulette wheel (I assume that is how he makes coaching hires). I am already there, but is there a breaking point for others- one more year, two more years, five more years? Remember, we are talking Block here, who is accomplishing the impossible of making Carnesdale look good by comparison.
I would like to think
that our donors would be a lot more demanding of the basketball team than the football team. They put some considerable pressure on Chianti Dan to get rid of Neuheisel. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t do the same for basketball, their standards should be way, way higher for hoops. The last final four was 2008. It’s 2012.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
This is key
And it’s what I was referring to last week when I wrote about the apathy within the fan base. I’m not saying that the following fan bases are ideal, but you would never see the basketball fans at UNC, Duke, Kansas, KY, or even Indiana tolerating this. You would never see football fans in the SEC or Notre Dame or Michigan or even *$c tolerate this.
And that’s why those schools are where they are, and we are where we are.
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
This and Oregon.
We don’t expect what should be “UCLA-calibre” athletes to melt down like this. Howland even saved one time-out.
Before, anyone says its CBH, and not the players--
I know. But I will be happy when at least two of the guards are gone after this season.
Can't entirely separate them
The players are the ones on the court, but its Howland who put them there. If they aren’t cutting it, ask why they are playing and who is coaching them.
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Whose fault is it
that there is no one on the bench?
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I hear you
but that question speaks to the same problem.
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Not me - not any more
I stay up late to watch the games here simply out of morbid curiosity. I expect choke in crunch times from a Howland “coached” team.
Playing not to lose, almost assures a loss.
Wow!
The last seven minute were sickening.
Go Bruins!
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