Basketball Roundup for WSU Game: Tale of Two Big Men in a Zone
Josh Smith completed his Washington weekend in fine style as the most dominate player in two games. For the weekend Smith shot 17-22 and 9-13 from the charity stripe. He was truly dominant. The crowd in both places was relentless on him but Smith was again the unstoppable force against Washington State:
[Josh Smith said the boos:] "It just motivates me to shut them up."
Smith, virtually unstoppable down low, was an 8-for-9 shooter from the field in his customary role as a key reserve. He played only 22 minutes before fouling out with 1:42 remaining, but the damage was done.
"He just did a great job of attacking the basket," teammate David Wear said.
"We tried everything (to stop Smith); he's pretty effective," WSU star Brock Motum said.
But UCLA was in danger of losing again because the Cougars' Brock Motum was doing even more damage until the Bruins, out of desperation, went zone:
"Motum is a great player," UCLA Coach Ben Howland said. "And we knew that. He had 34 two games ago, 26 against USC. He's one of the better players in the conference."
The Bruins were down, 34-29, at the half, due in part to Motum. But they dropped into a zone, and that was the difference.
"Our zone defense really helped us today," Howland said. "[Washington State was] trying to screen high. Jerime [Anderson] did a good job fighting over the top of those screens. ... Both their bigs, Motum and [Abe] Lodwick, are such good perimeter shooters it's hard to match up."
It would be nice if CBH used zone more often. This game he went zone out of desperation. First off was the obvious reason that the triple threat (from three, driving, and posting up) Motum was too much for anyone on UCLA to match up with. Before anyone says this shows why Stover, who was schooled by Motum and lost his cool at one point, does not play more: keep in mind Stover is a good post defender and a great help defender. Motum is more like Derrick Williams (a big who can do it all and no, he is not that good, just more like the Williams mold) and UCLA had no one who could handle all three, a big who could hit the three, post, and drive.
This is where Reeves Nelson would help on defense as he could stop a Motum. But what was interesting is that CBH tried everything possible before going to zone. At one point he had UCLA's least athletic player, Jerime Anderson, covering WSU's starting power forward Abe Lodwick and Josh Smith covering a guard (I think it was Ladd). The reason was he did not want Smith drug outside by the three point shooting Lodwick while the Cougars' third guard was not a good three shooter.
It didn't work. Out of desperation he went zone. And it won the game for UCLA:
UCLA switched to a zone defense with about 15 minutes to play and pretty much took over the game after that. Washington State led, 40-38 at the time of the switch and extended it to 45-39 shortly thereafter, but struggled against the zone the rest of the way.
The Bruins held Washington State to only four field goals over the final 11:30 -- including the two desperation 3-pointers by Moore at the end of the game. Washington State shot 45.5 percent in the first half, but were 10-of-33 (30 percent) in the second half when UCLA played mostly zone.
One of Moore's three pointers banked in and the other I think we were in man-to-man as Jones followed him all the way down the court. But more importantly was how the zone stopped Motum, a player any individual player on UCLA was powerless to stop:
STAT OF THE GAME: Washington State leading scorer Brock Motum was a one-man wrecking crew in the first half and early in the second, but seemed to be most affected by UCLA's switch to a zone.
Motum finished with 25 points, but scored only six in the second half -- two coming when he was credited with a basket after Lamb accidentally tipped a ball in for the Cougars. Motum made 9-of-15 shots for the game, but was 2-of-7 against the zone and did not score in the final 14 minutes of the game.
Zone fits UCLA in another way: UCLA has become good at forcing turnovers and getting steals. Unfortunately this often means when you fail the other team scores. Lamb had 4 steals against Washington and Anderson had 4 against WSU. In a zone the other players are better positioned to help if you fail on your gamble.
The Cougars outrebounded the Bruins 37-30, but UCLA took advantage of sloppy play by the Cougars, outscoring them 18-3 off turnovers.
UCLA got its first road win outside Southern California over a Division I team. However, as a result of it taking this long UCLA is tied for sixth and there is no way they can win the Pac-12 regular season title. And to have any chance to win the Pac-12 tournament they will need to finish in the top four for only the top four seeds get a bye, everyone else would have to win four games in four days. And with your starting guards are playing 37 and 36 minutes per game like Jones and Anderson did last night that is not going to work (of course it helps if you play zone some as that is easier for stamina).
As CBH said:
The win gave the Bruins a split in Washington for the week, and Howland said while he wanted to leave with two wins, getting at least one was vital.
"I would have liked to be 2-0, and I felt we had a good opportunity to do that, but it's important for us to get this win on the road," he said. "And we needed it desperately. We're going on a real tough stretch here."
Go Bruins.
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Zone was the key against WSU.
I really hope this encourages CBH to implement zone when it makes the most sense in terms of match-ups. Last night was a perfect example of when we needed it. However, against a team like UW, they would have shredded the zone given their abundant athleticism, and would have left us vulnerable on the offensive glass. Our zone can be slow in terms of defensive rotations and leaving wide open gaps, which quicker teams can exploit. Still, the WSU game proves why we need to sprinkle in zone.
Athleticism is the reason to go to zone
We can’t predict when Romar’s bunch are going to have one of their undisciplined jungle ball days, but Thursday was one of them. We are lucky they didn’t take advantage of their superior speed to take our slow, plodding, M2M off the dribble all game long. Hoping that the other team doesn’t recognize their strengths or our weaknesses isn’t a good game plan.
Athleticism is not necessarily a reason for zone.
That is a misconception. In fact, our M2m has improved dramatically, and I’m not simply talking about on ball defense. I’m referring to our rotations and help defense. Those principles operate differently within a zone. And we are much slower in this defensive set. We allow the ball to enter the middle of the zone too often, which is the key to breaking it. Also, it’s too easy to say that all of a sudden UW was simply undisciplined without giving credit to the way we pressured them (they had 16 turnovers). And let’s be realistic. Do we really think CBH’s (no matter what issues they have) game plan really relies upon other teams not recognizing their own strengths or our team’s weaknesses? He’s not coaching YMCA.
The misconception
Is that they would have shredded our zone “given their abundant athleticism” while not acknowledging that they did the same to our M2M. And let’s be honest, they had a ton of turnovers, but the majority of them were basically unforced. If you want to use that as continued justification for why our M2M has “improved dramatically” (even though it hasn’t, really), then by all means go ahead. Howland probably will, and we’ll get shredded again and again by teams that have decent talent. UW shooting over 50% when the plays they run are atrocious is an indication that the M2M isn’t good enough for you to be using 100% of the time against that team.
A sober analysis of that game shows that we were in line for another Seattle blowout thanks to our awful defense if not for UW throwing the ball away and Josh Smith having the game of his life.
In addition
Our M2M should be looking better than it is. We’ve been practicing it exclusively over the past month. The issue is what could have been if we actually practiced a defense better suited to this personnel over the past month. Maybe we become a decent zone team if our guys are more comfortable in it. A month straight of M2M, we’re still subpar, and it may have cost us the UW game.
WSU showed we need that option
There is a big potential upside to our zone and when teams are regularly shooting over 50% on us, little downside. I am not saying we should be a zone only team but should play it at times, and practice it.
by DCBruins on Feb 5, 2012 10:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's exactly what gets me
That we haven’t practiced it in a month. We sure as hell haven’t shown a month’s worth of improvement in M2M, and that’s because the players can’t play it the way Howland needs them to. Even if we only play it 5-10 minutes a game, or select possessions here and there, if an opponent is obliterating us, then we need to give them a different look and the only way to be effective is to practice it. This is like the refusal to switch Westbrook onto Rose on a macro level.
+1
All of Howland’s flaws and continuing miscalculations continue to provide an increasing body of evidence that he simply can’t get the job done.
Zone, Howland, etc
UCLA is not an effective zone defensive team because they lack the length and athleticism to affect shots and play passing lanes on the perimeter. Wazzu had wide open looks but missed them. It wasn’t a byproduct of tough defense or a man being in position to have a man in the shooters face.
UCLA doesn’t have a three man on the roster. Period. De’End Parker was supposed to be a one year option at the 3, that didn’t pan out. Lamb doesn’t have the length or strength to defend above average players on the wing. Period. Without Travis Wear the Bruins were handcuffed up front, had Stover and Smith playing with four fouls – the zone was the only option to keep those guys on the floor and stop the Cougs guards from driving our bigs on defensive switches on the perimeter and drawing fouls.
Lastly, Howland is an elite coach. For anyone to say otherwise on the premise that he doesn’t practice zone or play a more up tempo style is not looking at the game and players he has on the roster.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
Your last paragraph
is kind of paradoxical IMO.
To me, an elite coach includes someone who can manage a roster, manage personalities and manage expectations. I don’t think he’s done that. I don’t think an elite coach would have played Dragofuckinvic 30 minutes per game. I don’t think an elite coach would have had Collison on Rose. It’s not that not practicing zone doesn’t make him elite, it’s the fact that he refuses to adjust and use it in games when it can clearly win us some games. I am with you about the up tempo style, that has nothing to do with anything.
In the end, I don’t separate recruiting from coaching, but I don’t, not in college.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Howland
Conceptually, Howland is an expert teacher of M2M defense, principles, angles and fundamentals. His offense is predicated on screening, ball and player movement, execution, ball security and taking and making high percentage shots. Every major program suffers transfers, guys making decisions to play professionally – whether they are"ready" or not. The Bruins have had their hooks in some major recruits that have decided to go elsewhere – that’s not a reflection on Howland or his staff.
I have know idea why Howland decided to play Dragovic over Moser, but it happened and both sides moved on. To replay that decision – and to think that Moser plays over Honeycutt and the situation doesn’t play out the next year – is just spitting in the wind.
We have a top ten coach in the game. He develops talent. When the Bruins have quality guard play the team flourishes. We’ve seen the result of lackluster play from the 1-2 and how it affects his system. No question. That falls on the head coach. They have an incoming class that will reverse that in a big way.
Howland has three final fours under his belt. One less than Tarkanian and Jim Calhoun. The same as Boeheim, Larry Brown, Billy Donovan and Caliapari. He’s the right guy, give him the momentum of new facilities, a top five recruiting class to pair with all the returning bigs currently on the roster. This year is ugly, no doubt about it, they have given away three games in a very winnable conference that would have them sitting at 9-2 in the league and, likely, on the NCAA bubble.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
The Bruins have had their hooks in some major recruits that have decided to go elsewhere
…and then had no backup plan when it didn’t pan out. That is a reflection on Howland and his staff.
Howland has three final fours under his belt.
Which, after this year, will likely be the same as the number of missed tournaments he has.
I can only evaluate
based on past and recent performance. Speculating on future performance is just a guessing game. But you know, you give most coaches a new facility, a top five recruiting class…and they would do pretty well.
In year 9 of his tenure, UCLA should be a machine by now, recruiting should be seamless. Instead it sputters and misfires more often than not. Could the new class be a sign of things stabilizing? Sure. But Howland’s previous #1 class flamed out horribly. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but I am just petrified at the thought of Howland playing favorites again next year…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Machine
I believe a lot of the issues involving the program is their inability to recruit nationally. That approach has changed with the incoming class and some of the targets for 2013 & 14. LA area has been really soft recruiting wise the past couple years. There hasn’t been that elite level PG since Holliday, and we got him…and Anderson.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
No elite PG in LA area, but strikeouts everywhere!
Ray McCullum, 2010
Trey Zeigler, 2010
Josiah Turner, 2011
Jahii Carson, 2011
Quinn Cook, 2011
Dominic Artis, 2012
LJ Rose, 2012
Who did we get instead?
Zeke & Larry Drew, and TBD this year, but probably nobody
Kyle Anderson
His size might say SF, but he’s slotting as the PG next year without question. Why do you think Artis decided to sign with Oregon?
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There is an asterisk on that
He is a PG on offense but not defense.
Elite PGs
don’t always turn out so. He didn’t even go after a good PG, even a local one, until it was too late.
I’m trying to rationalize the crazy slump we’re in, because clearly it is happening all over the Pac-12. What I don’t understand is why other programs are still able to maintain a reasonable level of performance while we just flail away. It doesn’t make sense and I can only point to Howland.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Josh Smith is motivated by the obnoxious UW WSU fans to play better
What does it take to motivate him to lose weight?
Just put him in a round room
and tell him there are fries in the corner…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Why is Reeves Nelson still being mentioned since he had been long gone
He does not represent UCLA well when he was in the team and after he was kicked out of the team. I like Coach Mora’s mentality regarding recruits we did not sign. He commented that we must move on and not spend any time thinking what if…
I was making the point that we don't have the athlete's to match up
with certian players now, like a 5 who can shoot outside and drive. Last year we did. This argues for zone which really helped last night.
It's not about athletes..
Motum is a tough match up because he moves without the ball, has length, left-handed and has a great post up and face up game. The Cougs have him running off screens, running the baseline against smaller players, invert the post when he is defended by bigs. He’s torching every team in the Pac-12, especially at home, give the kid some credit.
Life is what happens when you're busy making plans.
No, he is not torching every team in the Pac-12
He torched ASU for 34 points, OSU for 26, Utah for 27 and Southern Cal for 26. They are all horrible. Otherwise he didn’t break 20 against any of the other Pac-12 program.s
Motem
Second in the Pac-12 in scoring. Leads the conference in field goals made. Shooting 57% from the field and he takes a fair share of shots from the perimeter. The guy can ball out. He’s 6’10", versatile and left-handed – makes him hard to guard.
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Yep which is why CBH should have played zone
We had no one who could handle him. Once we went zone, we blew them out and Motum did nothing, literally.
Motum is not as good as Derrick Willams or IMO Vucevic of USC who we had a player last year who could shut them down one on one. This year we do not. I think PAA or LRMAM in the past would have handled as well. CBH need to a) recruit better and b) recognize his team flaws and play more zone.
He may play more zone
and really, if he does not, when it helps us win games, it’s another indictment of him. But I think he will continue to practice M2M exclusively, to get the team prepared for next year.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Your last point is right
But what I don’t get is if he is playing already for next year, why not start Powell for Anderson or Jones? Develop Powell with minutes in key Pac 12 games now.
Powell
I don’t think Powell starts next year or gets more minutes than Adams. Adams is a dead eye shooter from deep – what this team desperately is lacking. Powell is going to be a good player, but he has to work on his handle and develop a midrange game.
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Powell is/was higher rated than Adams
Powell is becoming a very good defender and there are questions on Adams speed. CBH players have a learning curve and I would doubt Adams starts or plays more than Powell. Remember Russell Westbrook?
by DCBruins on Feb 6, 2012 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Adams
Last I saw him, he was struggling with weight issues… has he managed to control them? Also, I think Powell has a higher ceiling than Adams.
I’m also a bit concerned about K. Anderson. I feel Howland may favor him, even though he will be a defensive liability on the court.
IF we land Shabazz and keep Anderson, I think the right move would be to put the ball in Anderson’s hands on offense as a “point forward”, but on D, have him guard the 3 and Shabazz guard the 1/2.
Adams
He reminds me of Kris Johnson with deeper range on his jumper. Without a doubt, Anderson runs point next year and Shabazz plays the three. Lamb slots at the starting 2 man with Drew, Powell and Adams off the bench.
With Josh and the Wears likely returning, the Bruins will see a ton of zone, Adams will immediately become the teams best outside shooter the minute he steps on campus. Believe that, he’s legit.
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Zone
Wazzu chose to run Motum along the baseline instead of playing him atop the key like they did versus man. Zone did allow UCLA to not switch on ball screens which lead to our bigs having to defend smaller players in space. I don’t think UCLA is a good zone team, even if they practiced it they don’t have the length or athleticism on the perimeter to affect good shooters. I like switching defenses as a rule. But you must have the personnel to play it with energy and get into passing lanes – also rebound.
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As I said those numbers were result of torching some really bad Pac-12 teams ..
… and this is the worst I have seen this conference in last 30 years. Keep stretching and contorting. And as DC pointed out if he is such a world beater we should not have gotten to the point of desperation to try zone.
My thoughts on the conference...
I don’t think the conference has the usual NBA-level prospects that we’re accustomed to. But that’s not to say they don’t have future pros, it’s just they are a year or two away. The conference is going to get two bids and might garner a third if Washington or Cal doesn’t win the conference tourney.
Numbers are numbers…the fact is the guys is putting up All-Pac12 numbers and is looking like a good bet to make the Aussie national squad for the Olympics.
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Thanks for the write-up DC
Missed the game so it’s nice to get some insight. Hopefully we’ll learn from this.
Jerime anderson
You sure have it in for Jerime. I can’t believe that you said that Jerime Is least athletic. It is overwhelmingly obvious that Josh is the least athletic player out there with Tyler T not much of an athlete either.
Two Things
One I am talking scholarship players.
Two, Josh has a body that makes him unstoppable when he is right. He can do things Jerime (and everyone else on the team can’t). Yes Josh needs to lose weight but he is very quick with soft hands for his SIZE.
Three, Anderson does some things well. He runs the set offense and does not force many shots. He is good at taking the open outside jumper when it is offered. I am not saying he should not play. But Jerime does lack speed and quickness one generally likes in a point.

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