UCLA Football Recruiting Roundtable - Part 2: Instant Impact Players and Bruins Nation "Favorites"
In Part I of our recruiting roundtable discussion on Coach Mora's first recruiting class, we gave letter grades and discussed our favorite offensive and defensive recruits. We'll now take a look at our choices for instant impact players on both sides of the ball, predict which members of the class will not redshirt, and discuss our favorite "unheralded" recruit.
4. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact of the offensive side of the ball?
AHMB: I'm going to split hairs here and call special teams offensive. I'm hoping the new staff views special teams as a scoring opportunity, and it looks as though we picked up a few dynamic returners. I'm partial to short return men, and I'll say Ahmaad Harris will provide the biggest impact, though Goforth, Adams, and Walker could all potentially make an impact on the return game.
Ryan R.: I like the way you're thinking with special teams and I'll take one of your honorable mentions and say Adams. I love the way he looks with the ball in his hands. He has the special something that makes you think he can end up in the endzone every time he touches the ball so hopefully he can get in the return game.
Achilles: Jordan Payton. We need a go to receiver and I think Payton is the most ready to play. He may not ultimately be the best receiver in the class when they're seniors but I think he'll make the most immediate impact.
Bellerophon: Devin Fuller. Mora says he has no bones about starting younger guys, so I think the QB competition comes down to who can learn Mazzone's system the fastest. Prince and Brehaut, at this point, I think are nothing but experienced, veteran back-ups. The keys will end up in the hands of Hundley or Fuller. Millweard, I expect, will redshirt, but will end up being UCLA's QB of the future in a few seasons. Seeing how thin we are at WR, Mazzone will have to tweak his spread offense a bit, and I think a mobile QB gives him that kind of flexibility. Fuller will see the field, even if Hundley wins the QB battle, simply because he's way too dynamic of a playmaker to leave on the sidelines.
Nestor: I agree with B here but I think it will be Fuller for slightly different reason. I like that both Mora and Mazzone are thinking of Fuller as a quarterback. I like that a lot because I can only imagine a fully clicking spread oriented UCLA offense operating with QBs like Hundley and Fuller. That said I don't want to count out Brehaut's potential in Mazzone's offense. I could see next year Brehaut taking over as starting QB and Mazzone trying in Hundley. Now, I can also see Mazzone putting in special package plays for Fuller, putting in him space and let him go. Also, Achilles is very smart to name Jordan Payton. I think it will be at the WR spot where we can see a true freshman breaking in. For the same reason, don't count out Javon.
Freesia39: Javon Williams. There is a chance for one of the recruits to get playing time as a freshman, and if Hundley wins the QB job (or even gets to play now and again) he'll look to throw to his buddy from high school. But I won't rule out Payton, as he is an impressive recruit, and he told us all how gangs are bad.
gbruin: Javon Williams. We were a bit thin at receiver before this class, and with the new OC, everyone is starting out pretty even. I expect Hundley to be our QB, and he will feel very comfortable looking for his former teammate.
5. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact on the defensive side of the ball?
AHMB: McCarthy. Teaming with Marsh, Odighizuwa, Willis, and Jones, McCarthy will add a penetrator on the inside of the line. He should really free up the outside lineman and hopefully re-energize UCLA's moribund pass rush.
Ryan R.: It has to be McCarthy because he's he's incredibly talented, but also because we're in desperate need of defensive line help immediately.
Achilles: McCarthy.
Bellerophon: McCarthy. He's ready to play from day one. He should be our starting DT in Spanos' 3-4 scheme. I'd like to see what Marsh, Willis, and Datone can do lining up alongside him. What will be interesting is that with McCarthy and the 3-4 is whether Owa and Graham can make the transition from DE to hybrid OLB/DE. If so, we will be scary along the front-seven.
Nestor: Ellis McCarthy is the obvious answer given the responses. I also think Ishmael Adams could be someone who can break into our CB rotation. There may be opportunities to play there especially if Aaron Hester has not made necessary progress to develop into a smart and mature corner back.
Freesia39: McCarthy. I can't wait to see him, Owa, Jones and Marsh.
gbruin: McCarthy. The DL needs the biggest upgrade from last season. A rotation of Owa, Datone, Willis, Marsh, and McCarthy should be a huge step up. If we can get solid play from our DL at the point of attack against the run, our LB's will get more space to run and make plays, as they had a hard time getting away off of blocks last season. If our DL can generate a pash rush on its own, then the D can be something special.
6. Who are your candidates to play as true freshmen?
AHMB: In addition to McCarthy and Harris, I believe Jordan Payton, Randall Goforth, Kenny Walker, Jeremy Castro, Aaron Porter, Ishmael Adams, and Ka'imi Fairburn will all likely see time next season.
Ryan R.: Hey! You stole my list!
Achilles: I confessed in a post a few weeks ago that I wasn't much of a recruitnik. This one is beyond my knowledge. Payton and McCarthy for sure. I think Fuller sees the field as well, though I suppose they might want to redshirt him.
Bellerophon: McCarthy, Adams, Payton, Porter, Fairbairn, and Fuller.
Nestor: My answers are the same as Bellerophon. I am really not copying him here! I would also put Javon Williams into the mix as well. Mazzone will need receivers.
Freesia39: It's not copying if I cite my sources. Please read AHMB's list.
gbruin: See freesia's comment, citing AHMB. That.
7. Who is your favorite unheralded recruit?
AHMB: In addition to Ahmaad Harris, I'm really looking forward to watching Nate Iese. I don't know if Iese will see any time next year because I believe he's transitioning to outside linebacker, but he has pretty freakish athleticism for a guy his size.
Ryan R.: I'm going with Ka'imi Fairbairn. Last season made me appreciate how good we had it at kicker for more than a decade so hopefully he can put my mind at ease again in the kicking game.
Achilles: I'm not sure which of them are unheralded except for Harris. So, I guess I'll say Harris.
Bellerophon: Nate Iese is going to be interesting. He's got great size, good speed, and crazy athleticism. He's the right size for the hybrid DE/OLB and he'll be a freak in a few years coming off the edge. Oh, and he can play TE too. I wonder if Mora will let him play both ways.
Nestor: I will go with Eli Ankou. The kid has taken an interesting road to UCLA, coming out from Canada (via Delaware). The kid had offers from Virginia and Vanderbilt, two programs that have had pretty good defensive units under Mike London and James Franklin. He is listed at 6-3, 245 but he could turn out to be a very solid defensive end in our new 3-4 scheme if he can put another 30-40lbs in that frame. The kid is still learning the game. It could be fun to track his development under the tutelage of NFL coaches such as Lou Spanos and Jeff Ulbrich.
Freesia39: Probably Fairbairn. I appreciate kickers after being spoiled by Forbath.
gbruin: I already mentioned Harris above. I'll go with Fairbairn as Freesia did. We saw last season how important a reliable kicker is. Mazzone's offense has some questions in the red zone where the field gets smaller, and a solid kicker will be important as the offense goes through some expected growing pains. Also, can I cheat and call Anthony Barr a defensive recruit? Am I the only one who looks at him and sees Carnell Lake? Awesome.
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If you missed Part I of the three part discussion, you can read it here. Be sure to check in tomorrow for the conclusion of the discussion, and feel free to add your own answers and commentary below.
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Immediate offensive impact: a reciever. If Mazzone's scheme is reciever-dependant, he's going to have to use some of his new guys.
That, or our older receivers are going to have to be more impressive than they were last year. I would really like to see big returns after kicks, punts or kick offs. I think a great return can swing momentum so I’m hoping for Harris.
Defense: McCarthy. Though if the PAC 12 lights it up this year we are going to have to figure out how to protect against the deep ball.
True freshmen, Ka’imi Fairburn, Please, Please, Please let him remember how to kick a ball (not be injured), McCarthy, and the receivers.
Unheralded: Ka’imi Fairburn.
Here are mine again...the slacker version
4. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact of the offensive side of the ball?
Javon Williams. I think Payton is going to have a bit of reality hit him in the face and he’ll be a step behind before the staff gets his rear in action. Just attitude-wise, I think javon is more ready, I see him making a few clutch catches. Otherwise, I’ll go with the Russian Bruin, Ceachir.
5. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact on the defensive side of the ball?
Big Ellis is the easy answer and there is no doubt about it. But I think Porter will be close behind.
6. Who are your candidates to play as true freshmen?
McCarthy, Porter, Williams, Fairbairn, Adams
7. Who is your favorite unheralded recruit?
Hard to say who’s unheralded, the way this staff closed! I don’t really have a favorite anyway, I am just glad all these guys are Bruins! I do think that Kenny Orjioke will become a force once he finds his spot…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Re: Payton. Hope he's not our Paula Abdul.
Mora says he’s a great kid, so I really hope he’s right.
Oh I hope so too
It’s so hard to read the minds of 18-year olds. I hope they all come in and put in the work. Payton certainly has the tools. I liked what I heard from Javon, that’s all.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Agreed.
Like Payton.
Love Walker,
Ellis is a no-brainer,
And, Adams is the player I hope makes the D rotation.
Why are you posting this here?
It’s rude. This is not a message board. This is a post about UCLA recruiting and you would be hijacking the thread. Put it up in a fanshot.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
This has become the culture of a lot of blog comment threads
for people to post random OT news in the blog comments. I can understand why people would do that on a blog like Inside UCLA or the LA Times blog where commenters cannot make their own topics. However, the great thing about Bruinsnation.com is that any fan can throw up a fanshot or a fanpost for us to see.
WMM, throw up a fanshot there with this link, you can do that on this website.
More of a request
despite the tone.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Late again
4. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact of the offensive side of the ball?
One of the WRs. I’m going to say Jordan Payton, although it could just as easily be Javon Williams. With Mora’s offense and the lack of depth at WR, there is playing time available.
5. Which recruit do you think will make the most immediate impact on the defensive side of the ball?
McCarthy, I think there is a good chance he starts from day 1. I don’t think this is a close call, but Castro and Rios or Adams could also contribute soon.
6. Who are your candidates to play as true freshmen?
Porter, Rios, Adams, McCarthy, Castro, Williams, Payton, Fairburn
7. Who is your favorite unheralded recruit?
Not sure what qualifies as unheralded, but Iese, Cyburt, and Orjioke seem like guys who have the potential to become monsters if they develop in Alosi’s strength and conditioning program.
McCarthy will improve our pass rush immensly.
He has a great first step and he can take on double teams to free up our LB corps. He will improve our front 7.
by Almightypudster on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions
If he just makes them average
It would be a huge step! We would have won 2 or 3 more games with him last year…think about it!
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
I just want him to light up Barkley next year
I hope he hits him so hard that Pete Carroll feels it, in Seattle.
Dump Dan!
by bruinclassof10 on Feb 7, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
my philosophy on incoming freshman
expect nothing, and any production you get is a bonus.
maybe I’m jaded by xCRN’s deference to seniority, but I’ve been burned too many times by hoping for an immediate impact from high school studs like Malcolm Jones, Lucien, Owa, Presley, etc.
You are usually right
I only expect something from Big Ellis. There are always growing pains, but I think he will contribute.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Out of potential new starters on the D-line
I tend to think Willis might be more productive in year 1 than McCarthy, or at least at the beginning of the year…
Good point
A lot of us forget about Willis. I hope he gets in game shape quickly.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
No. 4--agree with Bellerophon--Fuller is the man
The cause of our demise over the past decade has been inconsistent or, in some case, nonexistent quarterback play. I, with regret, believe that Kevin and Richard are backups at best—they could not get us a winning record in the past 2 years. (And I hate to say that.)
My thinking is Fuller will drive the competition with Hundley. And because he is driven by Fuller, Hundley will be a materially better QB. Now Fuller may play only sporadically, but his presence will make Hundley better. Stated differently, even if he plays ever so little, Fuller will push Hundley who will get us a winning record. Nobody else will have the effect on QB play like Fuller. And it is that inadequate play that has cost us dearly over and over and over again.
Hundley is no slouch
It’s not like he’s a pocket passer. Remember he was recruited to play in the Pistol, so he is definitely mobile.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
+1
I went back and watched Hundley’s old films. Hundley looks like a significantly better passer than Fuller, with near equal running ability. I think a lot of us have forgotten just how good Hundley was/is.
by BillytheSid on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, this is why I don't expect Fuller to beat out out Hundley
and why I think this is really a competition between Hundley and Brehaut. And if you have Hundley as the starter, Brehaut as a capable backup, then I think it makes sense to use Prince as # 3 and redshirt the two freshman QBs.
Fully agree O on Hundley-Fuller competition
Fuller ain’t beating out Hundley.
But Richard has not gotten the job done. Now maybe he will step it up and become a solid backup who can win or a starter who can play with consistency and really chuck the ball deep; something he has not done with the slighest consistency to date. My gripe vis a vis Richhard and Kevin is the absence of the consistent ability to throw long. It causes the defenses to play closer to the line of scrimmage and thereby jam our running game.
Richard, Kevin, prove me, no us, wrong!
Remember, lots wanted Hundley playing last year
I agree with you, Billy. He is the same great talent as before, now with an extra year of learning how to be a college student and a college athlete. I think that will be a great advantage to him, esp for a position where we need a leader. I will be really surprised if Hundley isn’t the starter coming out of spring ball.
greg in denver, U.C.L.A. guy for life - BruinsNation.com
Yup.
Methinks as Shakespeare would say Hundley will start.
When it comes to the photo on the post
The big question is: who has the biggest hungry eyes? Joe Bruin, or the cheerleaders?…
But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.
Not understanding Ahmaad Harris hype yet
He looks like smaller Josh Smith with about the same speed and possibly slightly better jukes, but goes down easier. I like Payton and Williams on O as guys who could come in and make a few plays immediately. I like Porter on D because of depth at LB.
I wouldn't call it hype
as much as “curiosity”. Mostly just from the fact that the signing seemed to come out of nowhere and that he wasn’t really on anyone elses’ radar. It means Mora et al. saw something in him that other schools didn’t, and we’re all just wondering what that was.

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