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EASTERN Sports Programming Network

So few weeks ago I had a friendly back and forth with our friend Kyle over at Dawg Sports concerning the inherent East Coast bias in the World Wide Leader (WWL) aka ESPN. Paragon also weighed in with some good observations over at Conquest Chronicles.

Our discussion stemmed from Kyle taking issue with a Ted Miller column in the Seattle Post Intelligence, which brought up the assertion of dreaded "East Coast Bias" perceived by Pac-10 teams/fans. During the back and forth during which I asserted:

[I] will tell you this East Coast bias thing is real. And it happens because of an ESPN network which is heavily staffed by folks from the SEC, Big-10, ACC, Big East, and the Big-12 conference. Sure they are all over USC, but that is more of an anomaly.
To which Kyle replied:
E.S.P.N.'s coverage is dictated by the profit motive, not by regional bias. One reason the Big Ten receives so much coverage from the Worldwide Leader is that the noon game on the E.S.P.N. family of networks almost always involves two Big Ten teams, while S.E.C. and Pac-10 matchups are aired on C.B.S. and Fox, respectively.

"College GameDay" simply hypes the games to which its parent company has the broadcast rights. This is no different from the decision to allow artists from a commonly owned record label to perform the "GameDay" theme song. Where there's money to be made (as with, for instance, airing shows declaring the Pac-10 champion to be "The Greatest Team Ever"), E.S.P.N. is right there on the West Coast bandwagon.
I think that is a good point. But that still doesn?t alleviate the concerns/suspicions so many fans of West Coast teams have concerning the bias in the ESPN.

Let?s take a look at a pretty heavy sampling of the staff make up of the ?World Wide Leader" - main personalities/anchors/analysts - who are primarily involved in the broadcasting of their college football and hoops coverage. Here is a list of their names with alma mater/regional background. Formed this chart based on the info in Wiki and of course ESPN itself:
Name Sports School Conference/Region
Lee Corso Football FSU ACC
Bonnie Bernstein Football Maryland ACC
Mike Gottfried Football Pitt* Big East
Mark May Football Pitt Big East
Kirk Herbstreet Football Ohio State Big-10
Bob Griese Football Purdue Big-10
Dave Revsine Football Northwestern Big-10
Chris Fowler Football Colorado Big-12
Bob Davie Football ND* Indep.
Erin Andrews Football Florida SEC
Ron Franklin Football ? Southeast
Paul Macguire Football Citadel Northeast
Shelley Smith Football Nebraska Big-12
Gary Thorne Football Maine Northeast
Jay Bilas Hoops Duke ACC
Hubert Davis Hoops UNC ACC
Len Elmore Hoops Maryland ACC
Duke Vitale Hoops DUKE^ ACC/DUKE^
Fran Fraschilla Hoops St. Johns/New Mexico* Big East
Digger Phelps Hoops ND* Big East
Bill Raftery Hoops Seton Hall/La Salle Big East
Stephen Bardo Hoops Illinois Big-10
Doug Gottlieb Hoops Oklahoma St. Big-12
Steve Lavin Hoops UCLA* Pac-10
Tom Brennan Hoops Vermont*(UGa Alum) Northeast
Andy Katz Hoops Wisconsin Big-10
Dan Shulman Hoops Univ. of Western Ontario Who Knows
Stuart Scott Both UNC ACC
Dan Patrick Both Dayton Midwest
Suzy Kolber Both Miami ACC
John Saunders Both Ryerson PolyTech. (Can) Northeast
Chris Berman Both Brown Ivy
Scott Van Pelt Both Maryland ACC
Bob Ley Both Seton Hall Big East
Mike Greenberg Both Northwestern Big-10
Brent Musberger Both Northwestern Big-10
Mike Tirico Both Syracuse Big East
Mike Golic Both Notre Dame Big East
Rece Davis Both Alabama SEC
Trey Wingo Both Baylor Big-12
Bill Walton NBA UCLA Pac-10
Sean Salsbury NFL/CFB USC Pac-10
Joe Theisman NFL Notre Dame Big East/Indep.
Michael Irvin NFL Miami ACC
Steve Young NFL BYU MWC

* = denotes coaching experience (yes I know I am using that term - "coaching" - liberally in the case of Steve Lavin).
^ = How else should I categorize Duke Vitale?


Obviously this is not a complete list. There are few more holes to be filled in. For i.e. It?d be good to know where Dave Barnett and Brad Nessler went to school as both of them are heavily involved in the broadcasting of college football/basketball games (mostly Midwest). However, even though it is not a complete list, if you take a look at the sampling above, you will note some obvious trend lines.

ACC, Big East, Big -10 dominate this list of 41 (45 if we include the names in Italics) with 9, 8 and 7 Representatives. The East Coast/Midwest based representation is actually even heavier. Macguire, Thorne, Brennan, Berman, are all based in Northeast. Dan Patrick is from Big-10 country.

Meanwhile, Big-12 has 4 representatives. 3 of them are biggies. Chris Fowler (CU) anchors the coverage of ESPN's college football. Trey Wingo has a spot on the Sports Center anchor spot and he also hosts the show "Who is No. 1," and then there is Doug Gottlieb pimping Big-12 hoops night in and night out on the sets of College Gameday for hoops. Simiarly, even though SEC has 2 representatives, they are meaningdul ones. One of them happens to be Rece Davis (Alabama Graduate), who is one of the key anchors in covering post Game Day actions (on Saturdays) and also anchoring college hoops coverage. And then you have soft spoken Ron Franklin (alma mater?) anchoring ESPN's SEC coverage, who is pretty much a spokespeson for the SEC on behalf of ESPN. Erin Andrews (Florida) gets a lot of face time in their football coverage.

Not a single alum. from the Pac-10 schools are represented in ESPN?s coverage of college football and hoops. I threw in Bill Walton and Sean Salsbury in that mix above because both of them represent their school with pride, however their assignments are pretty much focused in the pro. leagues (just like Irvin, Thiesman, Young etc, all in italics).

Again as mentioned above this list is primarily made up folks on who are directly involved in their coverage of college football/hoops on TV based on the info. in the Wiki. I didn't include the alma mater allegiances or folks who exclusively focus on Sports Center. I included names like Sturat Scott, Scott Van Pelt, Ley, Greenberg, Golic, Musberger because of their high profile personalities who often get o chime in fairly prominently in the coverage of high profile college football/hoops games covered by ESPN. If there any other obvious individuals I forgot to include in this list, let me know in the comment thread. I will add them in. However, I don't think it will make much of a difference in the trendlines gleaned from the chart above, which shows obvious heavy/meaningful representation from all the power conferences except for the Pac-10

I think this discrepancy matters and it has real affect on how ESPN who markets itself so heavily as the WWL of sports, actually end up providing nothing more than regional/provincial coverage on national sports landscape heavily influenced by an East Coast Centric view. As Kyle points out above ESPN is driven by the profit. Yes it?s the corporate lackies in Disney who are making all the calls in terms of which teams to hype, whom to promote, when it comes to promoting their programs, matchups etc. However, while they are doing that, I?d submit the coverage of ESPN is also being affected by the inherent bias because of the natural allegiances of their prominent opinion makers in their networks, who are overwhelmingly represented by all the power conferences except for the Pac-10.

Let?s think about football for a second. Let?s say as a hypothetical both Oregon State (I will leave UCLA out of this for now since we obviously expect us to start 5-0 anyways) and Purdue starts this upcoming season with a 5-0 clip. Which team do you think ESPN is going to go ga ga over? Of course if you go by Kyle?s explanation than the obvious answer is Purdue because ESPN?s K with the Big-10. Hey that is fine. But would you be able to blame the Oregon St./Pac-10 fans if analysts like Herbstreet, Blackledge, May, Golic (on his Mike and Mike show) naturally show their love for the team from the Midwest? It happens every year.

Latest case in point came last Sunday, when ESPN?s Sports Center had a special session on ?College Football Rivalries,? featuring a roundtable hosted by Rece Davis and Blackledge and May. They talked up all the huge rivalry games of this upcoming season. They talked up how Ohio State has been owning Michigan. They talked up how Alabama just may be the busting up the streak against Alabama. The West Coast ?rivalry? they talked about? Are you read? Yes, the focus of their biggest "west coast rivalry" this past weekend was Cal v. USC. Okay, we get it. Cal is one of the favorites to win the Pac-10 along with USC. We get that. They deserve that. But since when exactly the "Cal v. USC rivalry" has been on the same level as "Michigan v. OSU" or "Alabama v. Auburn"? I?d really like to know. Okay, they brought up the Cal v. USC game, because it will be one of the marquee games of this Pac-10 season (at least projected by the so called pundits). But that doesn?t mean they have to mention that game as a rivalry game without even mentioning how UCLA may have a chance to end it's streak of futility against SC at the Rose Bowl. By doing that those clowns in ESPN were pretty much snubbing their noses on all the Pac-10 teams in general. They don?t really care about presenting a sincere/accurate picture of the traditions of West Coast college traditions. And by doing so they do a disservice to sports fans across the country while marketing themselves as a national network.

Of course same things happen on hoops all the time. Just take a look at the grid above and see how many ACC analysts are involved in the broadcast of ESPN hoops. Blowhards like Vitale, Bilas, Davis, do really nothing more than to shill for their conference hoops, basically turning ESPN into a recruiting network for high school kids all across country. And it doesn?t help a school like UCLA, when we have no talent ass clown like Lavin ?representing? the ?West Coast? view on hoops, when he really has nothing but contempt for UCLA fans, and also idiots like Digger Phelps spewing his anti-Wooden bile.

Anyways, the point I wanted to make again was that I get it that ESPN/ABC is driven by the profit making goals of Disney Corporation. That is fine. That is Americana. Capitalism. I am all for it. However, our beef with ESPN is really when it claims to portray itself WWL. In promoting itself as a national network, it?s programming on college sports is arguably shaping the major media narratives of college football not just for the conferences it is contractually bonded to, but it is affecting the entire country.

If they really want to portray itself as a network which truly offers objective coverage/analysis on college athletics landscape across the nation, then it should think about staffing itself in a way that would not make them so obviously susceptible to charges of being nothing but an Eastern Sports Programming Network. Doesn?t mean they have to go out and hire themselves hordes of alums from Pac-10 school. But it sure helps to have some kind of meaningful presentation in the sets of College GameDays for both football and hoops, the way Big-12 and the SEC are being represented by figures such as Fowler, Wingo, Gottlieb, Davis, who have the platform (due to their programming roles in the network) to provide meaningful representations from their alma mater?s conferences. It helps. It helps when someone like Mack Brown is going up against Tedford for the final BCS spot (as was the case 2 years ago) is coming on a show that is hosted by a Big-12 graduate. No one from Pac-10 is there in those shows to make the case for our guys, while everyone else continue to pimp the teams from Big-10, 12, Big East, and even the SEC day in and day out. Yeah, we got Shelley Smith. But big whoopti do. She is a Husker as noted above. WTF does she care about Pac-10 conference?

Anyways, we can go on and on about this topic. As mentioned elsewhere during my discussions with Kyle, Pac-10 management has itself to blame for getting into less than favorable contractual arrangements with the Fox Sports Network, who doesn?t do a great job of promoting the conference. However, that doesn't mean ESPN cannot make any effort to display some sort of fairness when setting up their narrative in the world of college football/hoops. Big-12 just like Pac-10 is also Ked to FSN. However, unlike the Pac-10, the Big-12, gets its share of love on the sets of ?WWL,? because of the meaningful representation it has in the staff make up of Eastern Sports Programming Network. Until we see staffers with the cache of Fowler, Davis et al. who can always interject themselves in the national conversations keeping the discussion honest, the Pac-10 fans have all the reasons to be suspicious of the WWL. Because the way they are set up right now ? fair and balanced ? they are not. They have become kind of a joke. It's too bad because I used to like these guys:



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Good analysis
What are your thoughts about the common argument regarding the superiority of the SEC, especially in regards to the Pac-10.

In a contemporary sense, that has been a big issue of late, what with Auburn getting left out of the BCS championship game in 2005, and 'SC getting left out in 2004.  It also illustrates the argument of what makes a good football conference.

I know its been beaten to death elsewhere, but in my opinion it would be good to have a pac-10 consensus.  Where do you stand on that particular issue Nestor, and BN in general?

Fight on!!! Beat the Razorbacks!!!

by USCLink on Aug 23, 2006 11:33 AM PDT   0 recs

Thanks Link
To be honest I haven't really delved into the arguments concerning superiority of SEC v. PAC.  I think those arguments are pointless. SEC is a great football conference with some incredible team. PAC-10 is a great football conference too, which doesn't get the due rep IMHO.  SEC teams have had some scheduling issues recently, but it looks like more and more they are going out and playing tough teams. It's  a good thing. I will leave it at that.

Although I am more attracted the offensive prowess of Pac-10 teams, I can only dream about UCLA playing the kind of fast/attacking Ds so many of the SEC team plays.

by Nestor on Aug 23, 2006 11:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SEC scheduling vs. Pac-10 scheduling
12 BCS opponents
USC

11 BCS opponents
CAL
WSU

10 BCS opponents
OREGON
STANFORD
UCLA
WASHINGTON

10 BCS opponents, but 1 Div-1AA opponent
ARIZONA
ASU
Georgia
Ole Miss
Vanderbilt

9 BCS opponents
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Tennessee

9 BCS opponents, but 1 Div-1AA opponent
OREGON ST.
Arkansas
Florida
Kentucky
Mississippi St.
South Carolina

by McCloskey on Aug 23, 2006 12:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
but I just can't call 6-3 Alabama over Tennessee an entertaining game.  It may mean that their defenses really ARE that good, but its wierd for me to envision a team that doesn't have at least one homerun threat that goes big at least once.

Thats the fun part about the pac-10...Being up by 14 with 5 minutes left means you better have a running game, because any team can torch your secondary for a TD.

Fight on!!! Beat the Razorbacks!!!

by USCLink on Aug 23, 2006 5:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SEC Overrated
SEC fans think their schools and conference are so much better than the Pac 10. They cite the level of competition within the conference as a case in point. But if you really look at it, the SEC isn't all that big and that bad. Half the conference stinks and it's always the same teams year in and year out. The likes of Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Alabama and Florida get to pick on the likes of Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Vanderbilt on a yearly basis. Their nonconference schedule is an absolute joke. Auburn may have been left out of the 2004 national title picture after going 12-0 but they have no one but themselves to blame. Stop playing schools with hyphens in their name.

As far as Pac 10 vs. SEC, Pac 10 wins hands down, at least as recent results have shown. I believe over the course of the last several years, the Pac 10 is 8-4 or something like that against SEC schools. I am proud to say that UCLA whooped Alabama not once but twice, once with the Crimson Tide ranked #3 nationally and one with the game in Tuscaloosa.

by bruinzete on Aug 23, 2006 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cal @ Tenn.
I have a bad feeling about this game. I think Cal is set up for an ambush. And if they lose this game ESPN honks will jump all over the PAC again for being soft, blah, blah, blah.

by bluestreet on Aug 23, 2006 12:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair...
To be fair, the only reason they called Cal and USC something of a rival was because ESPN was doing their silly little "SportsCenter Championship Series" and the weekend they were focusing on is commonly referred to as "Rivalry Weekend" in nearly every conference but the PAC-10. It just happens to be that USC/UCLA is the last game, every year, and that game is not during rivalry week.

I agree that perhaps too much of their hiring is skewed toward schools back east, but at the same time, I would be interested in seeing what viewership is on Saturday mornings and see how the numbers align. I think they're more playing to their audience than anything else.

Personally, ESPN can use whatever tag line they want. Really, there aren't that many options out there or sports on TV and ESPN/ABC/Disney is vastly superior in every way to FOX Sports. ESPN is a worldwide leader, even with pitiful PAC-10 coverage in comparison.

What actually gets me mad about ESPN is not the coverage, but the commercials wrapped around whatever it is they're doing. I see absolutely no reason for them to push Glory Road or Invincible on the front page of ESPN.com as if its news or to wrap the "Baseball Tonight" highlight real in music from "Pirates of the Caribbean". Now that I feel raises questions to journalistic integrity more than where people graduated from.

by dbthree on Aug 23, 2006 12:17 PM PDT   0 recs

I think that's the problem
There isn't a lot of options besides ESPN to get sports on TV. Yes ESPN/ABC/Disney is vastly superior to Fox Sports. But that's the problem.

Sure ESPN has all the right to promote the games highlighted on its network (nevermind Pac-10 teams are also appearing on ABC for football). But when they craft their narratives so heavily arround the teams from Big-10, ACC, Big-East, SEC, and the Big-12, and then you couple in the information how they are solidly representated in staff makeup from those conferences (with virtually zero rep. from Pac-10) ESPN becomes somewhat of a de facto regional/provinical sports network, while marketing itself as a national one.  

It's a huge problem.

by bluestreet on Aug 23, 2006 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a Catch 22
While I recognize and agree that ESPN is going to push its programing and focus on what it airs, I don't exactly feel as if its an "East Coast Bias" thing, is more my point. There's a difference between having a bias and pushing what's on their network.

This is going to sound like a "what came first, the chicken or the egg" argument, but do you think that ESPN just has some agenda or bias to show east coat games or do you think that perhaps because more Big-10/Big-12/SEC/ACC/Big-East contracts are more lucrative to the network? I think that's more what it comes to than anything else, as unfortunate as that is.

I really don't believe that the level of interest in PAC-10 sports is low because they aren't on ESPN, its for a countless list of other factors, mostly due to the nature of the western states (not as densely populated, tend to be newer, etc.).

by dbthree on Aug 23, 2006 12:36 PM PDT   0 recs

ECB
I don't think ESPN has an "agenda" to discriminate against the Pac-10 teams. But the way they are set up right now, the bias is built in.

And when it comes to hoops, it doesn't help us when we have well known UCLA haters such as Digger, Lavin,  Doug Gottlieb on the tube every day. Those guys do have an agenda at least against UCLA.

by bluestreet on Aug 23, 2006 12:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Time Zones/State of Incorporation
I don't believe that ESPN began with an agenda to create an ECB but it happened over time.  As ESPN tried to show more live sporting events and have news segments to report on them, West Coast sports got pushed out.  East Coast sports end at 10 PM EST when the West Coast sports are starting to begin.  After every late night game they show, ESPN likes to follow it up with a Sportscenter to encompass the day's sports.  The majority of the East Coast is in bed by 12 AM and it is too late to broadcast any live West Coast sports.  There is an ECB because they can broadcast more sports at better times to maximize their viewers.  I believe the best solution for ESPN would be to have ESPN and ESPN2 have ONLY sports and have ESPN News do only news so live sporting events would be overrepresented instead of other crappy (non-sport) shows (WSOP, WSO Darts).  

As for the representation of Pro-Pac 10 analysts, the Pac 10 is under represented because ESPN has its headquarters located on the East Coast.  ESPN will get a majority of its applicants from people already living on the East Coast.  If many people from the West Coast feel like I do, I wouldn't want to work for ESPN because I'd have to live on the East Coast.  Moving thousands of miles for a job is not something everybody wants to do especially when you can easily find a job here and live in a climate that is 70 year around.

The ECB will continue and it will only get worse.

by BruinMac04 on Aug 23, 2006 1:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN West Opens Next Year
ESPN is building a giant West Coast studio right next to the Staples Center. I believe the plan for ESPN will be to regionalize SportsCenter. Even with this move by ESPN nothing will change bias-wise. Most of the US still lives on the east coast.

by alcor805 on Aug 23, 2006 2:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Yes there is an east coast bias
but I really get sick of all of the Pac 10 teams crying about it.  First off I love the Pac 10, mostly because of it's rich academic history, history of ethnic diversity, and the fact that its the most successful conference across all sports.  But when it comes to football, our teams always want what they haven't earned.

The UGA blogger is right, 2004 Cal and 2005 Oregon didn't deserve anything.  Oregon would have gotten their doors blown off by Ohio State last year.  Both teams played questionable schedules and were rightfully left out of the BCS.  If they wanted their respect, they could have won the bowl games, but it was very predictable what happened.  Sorry to say but UCLA hasn't helped the Pac 10 stereoptypes by getting beat twice by mid majors in the bowl games, games nationally televised on ESPN for everyone to witness.  Nobody gets respect like that.  ASU and Oregon State both had close games vs. LSU that could have done wonders for conference pride, but they both blew it in the end on special teams.  Close calls don't win you respect.  It always seems like a two steps forward, two steps back situation.  Stanford losing to a 1AA team last year and then proceeding to win 4 games in the conference is another example.

I don't want the respect until we've earned it.  Sure there have been nice wins along the way like WSU beating Texas in 03 or ASU killing Iowa in 04, and we beat OU last year, but the skeptics never remember these games, they remember the embarrasments I listed, and it doesnt help that USC has been killing everyone in the conference lately.  Why should anyone respect a one team conference?  Fresno was more competitive with USC than anyone in the Pac 10 was last year.

by ucla21 on Aug 23, 2006 3:02 PM PDT   0 recs

I would argue
that ASU, and to a lessen degree, Oregon were more competitive than Fresno State was last year.  I don't remember much of ASU, but had Keller not thrown 4 picks in the second half, they likely wouldn't have faced a 28 point swing.

Oregon also demonstrated some weaknesses when the offense wasn't clicking.

Honestly, the first half against Oregon was the most like the first half of the Rose Bowl, but UT's offense kept up and had the ball last, unlike Oregon, who couldn't mount a drive.

And anyone who makes the argument that the Pac-10 is a weaker conference because of 'SC's recent dominance is kidding themselves.  You get better by playing the best.  There is a reason the pac-10 is universally more competitive in recent history, and its because they are competing at the highest levels of play.

Thats my 2 cents at least.

Fight on!!! Beat the Razorbacks!!!

by USCLink on Aug 23, 2006 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does the Pac 10 get held to a higher standard?
That is, why does the Pac 10 have to earn the respect that the other conferences get by default?  

The way you set up the process to "earn" respect sets the conference for failure - picking a couple high profile games and then asking the Pac 10 teams to sweep them shows no intention for fair analysis.  Yes, Cal laid an egg in 2004 and Oregon, sans Clemens, barely lost to OU.  But why isn't that balanced out by the other games you mention?  OSU pounding ND, WSU smacking Texas, ASU scorching Iowa, OU plowing Colorado?

Two games doesn't make a trend, but I'll say this about what the 2004 and 2005 snubs of Cal and Oregon had in common: both teams had earned their place over the course of the season, even if they weren't operating at 100% at the end.  I disagree with the pithy commentary that says "if you lose your next game, you lose your argument."  Teams earn their place in the postseason through their performance over all 11 or 12 games; Oregon is an even better example of this than Cal, because UO was so clearly impacted by the loss of Clemens.  Could Texas 2004 have won the Rose Bowl without VY?  Then why is it so wrong to think the Ducks were handicapped without Clemens?  That's a conclusion you could come to even before deciding who goes to which bowl game.  But you don't dismiss a team's opportunity to play in a bowl game it earned because the guy that got it there is on the sidelines.  Bowl games aren't decided based on the "who do you think would win?" water-cooler discussion.  

And consider: why does the counterfactual always work against the Pac 10?  In 2004-5, the losses "prove" the Pac 10 teams didn't deserve the better bowl.  In 2001, Oregon crushed Big 12 champ Colorado, and the conventional wisdom is that "maybe Oregon should have gone to the NC game, but they would have been dominated by Miami anyway."  Well thanks. 3 teams have arguments as to why it should go to the NC game; the team chosen gets dominated; the other 2 play head to head, Oregon crushes.  And still gets dismissed.  Cal and Oregon losses in 04-05 "prove" they didn't deserve to go; an Oregon win in 01 doesn't prove anything.  Fantastic.

Anyway, the point is: the Pac 10 shouldn't have to earn respect any mroe than any other conference.  Every conference has had teams that laid eggs in the postseason.  If Pac 10 teams take 2 out of 3 against the SEC on opening weekend this season, no one who starts with the position that the SEC is the bestest conference in the ultraverse is going to concede that the SEC is now a tier below the west coast's best.  SEC homers wouldn't concede that even if the Pac 10 sweeps all three.  

As a thought experiment, apply the same standards you're arguing to any other conference and see if they unequivically come out in the "respect" category.  

by Calfan on Aug 24, 2006 7:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's why -
In the AP era, only USC, Washington and UCLA have won football championships, and both Washington's and UCLA's titles were split.  When you look across other conferences, the Pac 10 is the only one you can point to (other than the current Big East) that has had only one team win a national title in recent memory.  

In the Big XII, Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska have all produced national titles recently.  In the SEC, you've had LSU, Tennessee, and Florida produce national chapmions in the last 10 years, and that doesnt include Auburn who went undefeated in 2004 or Alabama whose last title came sooner than Washington's.  In the Big 10 Michigan and Ohio State both have recent titles.  The ACC had Miami and FSU win recent titles and Virginia Tech finished runner up in 1999.  Granted, Miami's title didn't come in the ACC, but respect is still given to the ACC as a conference for having Miami as a current member.

I'm not saying I agree with this rationale.  National championships are a function of poll bias, luck and schedule.  I'm not saying the Pac 10 is a worse conference than any of those mentioned.  But historically, the Pac 10's crowning achievements don't match up, and that's why our teams need to earn their respect on the field.  From a distance it should be plain to see why this is an issue.  The perception is that the Pac 10 only has one so called elite football program, while other conferences (with the exception of the Big East) have two or more.  This will likely not change until another Pac 10 program besides USC steps up and wins a championship, or at least can show itself to be a consistent BCS contender from year to year and that just hasn't happened yet.

2000 was the best year for the Pac 10 in my opinion, because you had three teams that ended up ranked in the top ten.  The best of those, Washington, proved itself early by beating an 11-1 Miami team.  Oregon State of course dominated Notre Dame and Oregon beat Texas in the Holiday Bowl.  In that 2000 season the Pac 10 was as strong as any other conference in America. The problem though, is that none of those teams were able to sustain their success.  Oregon had a great season the next year but have been up and down since.  Oregon State has been mediocre at best, and Washington has experienced the the biggest fall from grace I've ever seen.  I thought 2002 was also a good year for the conference, getting two teams in the BCS again, but since Price's departure they haven't been the same.

I'm rambling but I hope I've pointed out where the perception comes from.  The west coast as a region is still young and growing, and in the coming years needs to produce some more championship contenders besides USC to get the full respect that we all clamour for.  At this point it's just a bunch of close calls - ASU in 1996, Washington in 2000, Oregon in 2001.

by ucla21 on Aug 24, 2006 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno...
I don't think the national title argument holds a whole lot of water, at least with me.  The national rankings are largely based on subjective rankings by media and coaches.  Once could easily make the argument that the Pac-10 hasn't had many NCs in recent memeory is because the deck seems so handily stacked against them.  What if Oregon had played for the NC a couple of years ago?  Why do we have to posit that they would lose to Miami?  If Oregon had won, that argument falls apart a little bit, methinks.

I'll agree with you about being a consistent BCS contender, however.  Prior to USC's emergence, the Pac-10 representative in the Rose Bowl mine as well have been drawn with straws prior to the start of the season.  Stanford?  Washington State?  It was like Little League baseball, where even the really terrible kids got a chance to bat.  I'm not begruding the effort of these teams, just pointing out the fact that Stanford and Washington State don't really have what we would consider national prominence.  Pac-10 teams, apart from USC, have been all over the map in recent years.  That's a big buzz kill.

by CAJason80 on Aug 24, 2006 8:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There Is A Clear Bias In Basketball
Remember all the talk of the Pac-10 being down last year? UCLA proved that was complete crap when they beat Alabama, Memphis, and LSU in the tourney. I think ESPN really looks bad when they annoint the ACC the #1 conference every year before a game is even played. You can't write off West Coast B-ball just because the games start at 10 PM local time.

As for football, I've gotten used to the fact that if any team west of Texas loses 1 game they can't win the championship(or even be considered) unless every ESPN promoted team loses. Every year Pac-10 fans desire a tournament for football but get shouted down by 'purists'(AKA Notre Dame, Michigan and pretty much all southern football fans)

by alcor805 on Aug 23, 2006 4:58 PM PDT   0 recs

The Big 12
Everything regarding the Big 12 needs to be thrown out of the argument. Any conference that has teams in Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. cannot seriously be considered part of the "East Coast." When Missouri is your conference's easternmost team that should eliminate the conference from being included in the discussion. To further illustrate the point, if you were to hop in your car in Columbia, Missouri and drive more or less due east to an Atlantic coast town like Hampton, Virginia for instance, you'd be in for a 1,000+ mile journey.

by Nico on Aug 23, 2006 9:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Good point Nico
Still have to disagree though. For us when we say "East Coast Bias," we are implying ECB against West Coast based teams. Texas, Oklahoma, Colorados of the world are definitely not West Coast based teams. Besides as mentioned above they have solid representation in the ESPN studios. So their POV gets  presented fairly aggressively. We need some from meaningful representation in the ESPN sets from Pac-10 schools to get rid of the appearance of ECB against West Coast based teams.

by Nestor on Aug 25, 2006 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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