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The Destructive Egoism of Karl Dorrell

Bruin Blue expands on the point of Dorrell being nothing but a selfish and shameless jerk. GO BRUINS. -N

Dorrell knows exactly what he is doing . He is desperately trying to keep his high-paying, prestigious job.  He doesn't care what he has to do to keep it, or what damage he might do to UCLA, its prestige, and its alumni base, if he ends up being fired.  It's all about Dorrell, and it has always been.

I have always believed, and still believe, that Dorrell actually thinks he has done a very good job as coach.  You can call this denial, you can call it arrogance, or you can call it stupidity.  I happen to think that it is all three.  But in all the comments he has made over the five seasons, you can see this thread running through them--that he has done the job, that it is other people who are failing.  He's scapegoated a whole bunch of assistant coaches.  He's blamed the players, basically saying that it's not his fault if they don't do what he has prepared them to do, and that he is sleeping well at night.  And now he is essentially blaming society, or UCLA fans, or maybe the administration, for forcing him to play on a playing field that is not fair to him.  It is really just more of the same, except that now he is indicting more than just his own players and assistants.

I am surprised that more people did not comment about what I think was an extraodinary meeting that Dorrell apparently arranged with his current recruit prospects.  Was that nothing more than his effort to use them as a wedge against an administration which might think twice about firing him if the recruits were more loyal to him than to UCLA?  Yes, he apparently told them that they are playing for UCLA, etc.; but I have never heard of a beleaguered coach doing such a thing, and the goal is completely obvious, to me, at least.  Again, Dorrell will do anything he can to save this job, which he must somewhere realize is the best one he will ever have.

What angers me so much is that UCLA football is not about Karl Dorrell, who never, ever should have been hired as head coach.  It is about all the students, alumni and fans who follow the team so closely; who go to the games if they can, or watch them if they can't; who at least figuratively live and die with the program, and who have been cheated out of five more years of enjoying it.   And I absolutely guarantee you that Dorrell does not care one whit for any of them who are not his personal friends; he cares for himself, and a few of his assistant buddies, and that's about it.  Just because someone is soft-spoken and seemingly polite, does not make him a great guy, as some think.  He has lied to certain players; he has unfairly castigated some; he has callously fired assistants whose failings were easily as much his fault as theirs; he has acted as if all of us should be completely happy and satisfied with the pathetic product which he has given us over the last five years.  There has never been one iota from Dorrell about how UCLA football should be accomplishing so much more--oh, yes; except for when he was hired, and he talked about winning the conference in the first season.

So now, even this endgame will be tainted by Dorrell's manifestations of utter self-interest.  UCLA may end up being afraid to fire him if he can win one of the last two games.  Or, as other schools have done, they may feel pressured to hire another African-American to replace him, to prove that there is not a taint of racism here.  That of course would be DeWayne Walker, who would then de facto be our second affirmative action hire, as his credentials are as flimsy as Dorrell's.  Or Dorrell's comments could help create a firestorm which would turn off potential top coaching prospects, and even lose us some recruits for now and in the future.

Let's see how strong-willed and brave Dan Guerrero and the rest of the athletic administration can be in the next few weeks.  Let's find out if there is even one person in the L.A. mainstream media who will write what should be written--that Dorrell is incompetent and should be fired--and thus give even a little cover to our administration if and when they do.  Let's see exactly what kind of coaching search we go through if Dorrell actually does not save his job.  I will say one thing--that the very fact that there is still this countersurge in support of Dorrell is simply more evidence of how incredibly far we have to go to change the mindset in Westwood--a mindset which Dorrell has played for all it is worth from the very first day he was even considered for the job.

-Bruin Blue

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by Nestor on Nov 18, 2007 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

You need to have faith . . .
in Dan Guerrero.  I do!  The end game will not be pretty.  It does no good to continue to bash Dorrell.  The majority of UCLA football backers, as well as the rest of the college football following country know what is coming.  Just sit back and let it happen.  And when it does - DON'T GLOAT.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

If and when KD is fired, I will NOT cheer.
I will actually feel sad that we are in a situation where we have to do this to an alum.

Instead, I will look with hope toward the day we hire a BETTER COACH.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 18, 2007 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

After today ...
You are pleading us not to call out Dorrell?

I have faith in DG but that doesn't preclude me for calling out what Dorrell is: an incompetent, selfish, shameless, Doofus (and there are things I can call him which I will not type).

by Nestor on Nov 18, 2007 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

My only complaint . . .
about this board has been the personal attacks on Dorrell.  For all the tremendous amount of knowledge and facts that this boards comes up with I just this it taints it and is unnecessary.

That being said, I am not asking you to not call out Dorrell (it would be pointless anyway wouldn't it?). I try to respect everyone's opinion as well as the way they want to present it.  It's just not my style.  Will you respect me for that?

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

What has tainted UCLA ...
is the way the Doofus has handled himself on and off the field. The Doofus has made this whole thing personal. And today's article pretty much cinched the argument that Dorrell was never some kind of man of character and integrity. He is just a selfish individual who is not worrying about stooping to the gutter to hold on to a job he doesn't deserve.

And we will keep pointing that out over and over again since it looks like Dorrell and his supporters will do whatever it takes to hold on to his job. If that is too tough for you, that is fine. But please do not tell us how we should respond and react.

by Nestor on Nov 18, 2007 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

My take on the article . . . .
is that it was written by someone who has their own agenda.  I don't put much credibility to it.  If Coach Dorrell wants to comment on his feelings about being African-American that's fine with me.  It does not however offer up an excuse for his record on the field.  Everyone should know that.  UCLA has been more than fair with him, and if you don't believe that, ask Willingham or any other coach who has been fired in less than 5 years (and there are many).

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well
Give Dorrell's past record, I think it is reasonable to infer that article wasn't just product of Streeter's imagination. Dorrell knew exactly what he  wanted to do when he offered up those quotes.

by Nestor on Nov 18, 2007 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

No argument
I expect Dorrell to do whatever he can, within acceptable reason, to hold on to his job.  He is a fighter, and I would expect nothing less.  I am not going to chastise him for making that comment (if he did indeed make it).  He can believe whatever he wants to believe.  Instead I am going to focus on what has happened on the field over the last 5 years  which clearly states a change is needed.  Nothing more, nothing less.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Will it still be okay
if he is using this PR stunt to set up his lawsuit against UCLA to attempt to bleed even more money from us? Given that he has destroyed any reputation he might have had as a man of character by inappropriately playing the race card, it isn't much lower to stoop to sue the institution that generously gave him an opportunity that he was unqualified for.

We've heard far too much along the lines of "KD is a great guy, a stand up human being, so let's keep him around" to ignore this glaring flaw in character. It's an issue because he and his supporters made it one. Nothing more, nothing less.

by Tydides on Nov 18, 2007 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I see the end of this being
a simple buyout of his contract.  This would happen to any other D1 coach in a similar position.  I do not expect our situation to end any differently, nor would I fault Dorrell for securing whatever money his contract entitles him to.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The buyout is set
I don't see any reason to inject race into this unless he intends to use it later. There's nothing that indicates that he won't collect his gigantic and undeserved severance package in full. I would have agreed with you about it "just" being a buyout until he used his little hand puppet Streeter to muddy the discussion from one about his credentials (he has none) to one about his race and not being given a "fair shake" when he didn't deserve the job in the first place. If I hear the words "wrongful termination" at all associated with KD, he will officially be the most hated figure in UCLA sports. Such a thing would completely eclipse anything Lavin ever did tenfold. And I wouldn't have believed any of this to even be a possibility until he played the race card. That's the problem here.

by Tydides on Nov 18, 2007 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

In all seriousness . . .
Do you think for one second Karl Dorrell would want to be at all considered as one of the most hated figures in UCLA sports?  I don't think so.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 18, 2007 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think
he would deliberately allow some random hack writer to denigrate his entire fanbase as a bunch of racists? I don't think s....oh damn, that already happened. This is Pandora's Box opening here. None of these things were in the realm of possibility until he introduced it. So what do I believe now? If it came to protecting his honor and pride as a Bruin and avoiding being shunned by his alma mater and collecting his big fat paycheck and suing for wrongful termination? I don't know the answer to that. But the question is out there now isn't it?

by Tydides on Nov 18, 2007 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Forearm, I disagree with your major premise
Or at least what I think is your major premise.  Obviously it is not a "personal attack" to state facts about CTS's record and make comments on it.  His winning percentage, his record within the conference, etc., ad nauseam.  

It seems to me that your perception is that a statement addressing CTS's ostensible integrity is a personal attack.  Or that an analysis of what he says to the press and then a conclusion drawn from that analysis is a personal attack.

I disagree.  If I went on and on about CTS being a horrible person without giving the factual basis for my opinion then I would agree.  But nearly all of the dissection of CTS's so-called "integrity" that I have seen has been fact based.  For example, I still think, based on the evidence that I have heard (all second hand, of course) that CTS fired a coach by text message.  If indeed that is true, and again I believe it is true, then that is the act of a coward or an unnecessarily cruel person, not the act of a man of integrity.  Another example which I believe to be true is that he basically told Matt Moore that he did not have a shot at the quarterback position by saying something over a live headset knowing that Moore was listening.  And there are more examples.

I believe the latest example is his statement to Mr. Streeter, the alleged journalist.  We don't know exactly what he said or the context in which anything was said, but we do know what Mr. Streeter says was said, and we have nothing from CTS which suggests that Mr. Streeter is simply making things up.  For CTS to claim that he is being unfairly judged because of his race is a blanket statement, with no qualifications.  He therefore directed that statement at me.  I suppose there are some who would be flattered to be called a racist, but I am not one of them.  It is insulting, and it attacks my integrity.  For CTS to make that sort of statement about me without having met me is the kind of claim that kept Blacks from voting or that generated Plessy v. Ferguson.  It is an insult to my intelligence as well, implying as it does that I would not criticize CTS if he were White.

I will not sit idly and let CTS make personal attacks on me.  He is doing to me (and to you and to everyone else at the BN and in the world, frankly) what he claims has victimized him.  It's not right, and I will not let it pass.

And on the off chance that CTS might choose to read this one post out of millions, I say Shame on you, CTS.  You have failed the integrity test, in my opinion.  

by Fox 71 on Nov 18, 2007 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if I'll be able to help myself
I won't be gloating at KD of course, because I already feel too much disgust for him to let any other emotion squeeze in there. I will be gloating at the Dorrellistas, for all the Karl Aid they drank and all the potshots and drive-by flames over the years.

This is KD hanging DG out to dry. It is KD attempting to appeal to the higher powers. The race card certainly doesn't mean as much to a minority like Guerrero as it does to his superiors. If I were DG, I would be absolutely pissed at this turn of events. This is either the stupidest thing KD has ever done, or it is a sign that he believes that his fate is out of DG's hands.

by Tydides on Nov 18, 2007 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It reads like a
hail marry pass.

Now we know what he would have done if Albert Carnsale was around. This is how Lavin saved himself during the Dalis era, when he went around Dalis to plead his case with Carnesale and rage a public relations campaign.

But the problem for KD is DG is million times better than Dalis in playing the PR game. He is not going to fold and keep his poker face through the end. Unlike Dalis who inexplicabiliy went public with the info that he had contacted Dalis, DG is not going to show his card.

And Dorrell will have us to deal with. UCLA administrators know what kind of public relations nightmare we will create for them (and we can play this game) if they decide to retain the Doofus.

This move on the part of Dorrell was just as stupid as all the calls we have seen from him over the years.

The guy is just a complete tool. In one column he has transformed himself to a figure more loathsome and hated than Steve Lavin to the entire Bruin Nation.

by Nestor on Nov 18, 2007 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree completely, my concern is....
That the article was designed to create an "alternate nightmare scenario" for the UCLA administration. It was was the official introduction of the race card, and the promise of an impending PR nightmare aimed at UCLA's carefully maintained image. In poker terms, Karl just went "all in" so to speak.

If anyone noticed, Streeter dind't respond to a single post today (as he had professed he would in his original article). It may be that he was just visiting old friends all day, but I highly doubt that he would write such a deliberately inflammatory piece and not stick around to see how big the fire grew.

Clearly his message misfired because there was so little support of his point, but it may not have mattered. Today's little exercise was an open threat to UCLA: If you fire Karl Dorrell, you will be called out in the press for discrimination. In the end, it may not make a difference to the events th at will play out, but I guarantee it will give the powers that be some pause.

The sad thing is, somewhere in the middle of it are about 85 football players who deserve more. What a shame.

by Fedup on Nov 18, 2007 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly
This is now a shitstorm, thanks to KD. He saw the wolves circling and he chose the nuclear option. The preemptive strike if you will. After all, anything that distracts from his record can only benefit him.

by Tydides on Nov 18, 2007 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Dorrell's back at Number 1 on CoachesHotSeat
And read the commentary. Ouch indeed. You can now officially say this tactic backfired. I retract my last post!

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatBlog.htm

by Fedup on Nov 18, 2007 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Ouch is right
"A few of us here at Coaches Hot Seat have run into Karl Dorrell on numerous occasions and we have defended Karl as something more than just a football coach, but no longer."
.
.
.
"It is just very sad that Dorrell has decided that he cannot stand up like a man and get his team ready to play Oregon and USC, but rather play the race card in a pitiful effort to save his own hide.  Shame on you Karl Dorrell, because you should know better.  As far as Streeter goes, we fully expect things like this..."

by bruinhoo on Nov 18, 2007 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone else said it first
and I can't remember who, but Dorrell should have simply told Streeter, "Race has nothing to do with this," and there would have been no controversy.

I will give Dorrell this much:  He has the right to believe anything he likes.  If he truly thinks that the pressure on him is racially-motivated, or that he hasn't been given a fair shake because of his race, then he has the right to believe this.

This does not mean that he is even 1% correct.  But unless he has some evidence to back it up, this is a terribly serious charge.  And if he just lodged this charge without evidence, he is despicable.

It would be no different than if a white coach was criticized by a black journalist and the coach turned around and said he was only being criticized out of racism.

It cuts both ways.

Dorrell's supporters have always resorted to the "good guy" defense when they had nowhere else to turn.  

Where do they go now?  

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 18, 2007 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

Again, I am dismayed at the moving
target.

A couple of weeks ago, the media said if KD could not beat Arizona then he is done.

Well, he did not beat Arizona.

Now they are saying, if KD does win the last two game then he is done.

I AM TIRED OF THE EVER CHANGING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS JOKER TO BE CANNED!!!!!

by bluegold on Nov 18, 2007 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

To his supporters
he should never be fired.

What do you think Streeter would say if Dorrell loses the last two games?  Fire Dorrell?  No way, he's cleaned up the program and the only healthy guys we have are walk-ons or 8th-stringers.

What if we lose every game next year and go 0-12, can we fire him then?  

Nope, sorry, we lose a boatload of seniors this year and the Pac-10 is super, super tough.  You can't expect next year's incredible freshmen class to win a bunch of games, can you?  Look at Notre Dame's troubles.

It doesn't matter to these people.  What doesn't matter?  "Performance" doesn't matter.  Simply put, the Dorrellistas believe that wins and losses are not very important.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 18, 2007 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Its self preservation
Self preservation is, of course, a trait that is innate in all of us. I don't blame him for doing all he can do in his power to save his job.

Let's face it, it's a great job.

It's up to his bosses to not allow him to get away with it. It's up to his bosses to make it very clear why his job is in danger and why it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the results on the field.

by njbruin on Nov 18, 2007 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

Dorrell throwing UCLA under the bus
He's thrown assistant coaches under the bus, he's thrown players, but what kind of despicable human being do you have to be to throw UCLA under the bus for your own failures by saying that you've never been given a level playing field and that you had to work extra hard to get what you've got (because of your race) and that you've never been given a fair shot.  

How exactly has the DOOFUS's race caused him to lose games?  How has it caused him to mismanage every aspect of his football program?  IT HASN'T.  

I love him to explain how he's never gotten a fair shot at UCLA, how the playing field hasn't been level.  What a load of crap.  His ad-hominem attack on anybody that dares to criticize his many missteps by saying they are racists is disgusting.  His implying that UCLA is a racist institution that has never been fair to him is unpardonable.  

He has shown himself to have no character or integrity whatsoever.  He will do or say anything to save his job and keep that fat-ass check coming in.  He literally makes me want to vomit.

by Tommy Bruin on Nov 18, 2007 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

Unless there's a KD disclaimer to the Streeter
article, KD will go down as the most dispised coach in UCLA history.  

by bluegold on Nov 18, 2007 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

A Couple Thoughts Before I Go to Sleep
I've written a lot, today.

Personally, I'm really disappointed by the days events.

For those of you who read my stuff -- I've always been the first person to stand up and say "Race has nothing to do with this." and to point out that the only times we had seen the race card was when it was played, in speculation, by people anticipating that it would be used, sometime.

I truly believed that KD had enough integrity to not play the card -- or to not act in complicity with an accomplice who did.

I thought the last vestige of KD's dignity would be saved by his forgoing the play.

Today, in my eyes, he lost that last vestige of dignity.

I've said often that I'll not gloat or be happy when KD is fired. I would be sobered by the "lost opportunity".

But, that was yesterday and this is today. I cannot feel sorry for a man who allows his name to be used in a racist attack on my alma mater and on all of the people who have carefully crafted fact based arguments on why he should be fired.

Good riddance.

1. There will be no litigation, no unjust firing case, no discrimination case. I don't know of a lawyer, with any sense, who will bring the action. Yes, there may be someone with no sense and a hope to get public attention who files a case, but it will not go to trial; there simply are no facts of discrimination to get past summary judgment (a judge throwing out the case before trial).

I also think that we will see that Dorrell has miscalculated the strength and resolve of DG -- who will certainly take offense at the racial attack on his department should it decide to fire him.

I do not see DG as the person who walks away from a fight. He may well have been KD's last ally in the upcoming battle; but he won't be, anymore. Just as it appears KD dipped him in shit when he failed to tell him about Eric Scott's background, so too it appears he has dipped him in shit again. I don't think DG will like that.

  1. Dorrell may not be bright, but even he will understand that suing UCLA will close all doors, across the nation, in his face. He cannot live forever on his "buy out". And, he lacks the public speaking skills to be a broadcaster. By leaving, this way, he may well have placed his future in serious jeapordy.
  2. I often say that we can see how "smart" someone is by determining whether they have the ability to calculate self interest. Dorrell, clearly cannot. How in the world did he think this interview would help him? Who did he think would stand behind the claims of racism? Not the black community that understands that equality of opportunity carries with it  the equal opportunity to fail. And, not the old boys -- Donahue/Field et. al. who have been propping him up. I cannot see them attacking UCLA as racists when KD is fired.
The backlash was predictable. And, it occurred. I almost never visit the other Bruin blogs. I did, today. He's lost most of his support on them, too.

4. Streeter is out for Streeter. He used KD. KD may have cooperated, but I wonder whether KD expected the card to be played with such a heavy hand. Streeter gets hits on his blog and his name in lights -- for a day. KD loses a big chunk of his support base.

And, KD loses whatever remnants of the halo that were left.

At the end of the day, I believe that KD has signed his own "get out of town quick" papers. He's made the job of all who want to get rid of him, easier.

sjh

All that said, I would not be surprised if KD looks at the reaction, and throws Streeter under the bus -- claiming what he said was quoted or used out of context.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Nov 18, 2007 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

Well said
66, while I don't always agree with you about everything, you are often a "touchstone" when it comes to level-headed and sober thinking on BN.  There are many times when my natural and immediate instinct is to shout at or about something and you always provide a sobering, realistic evaluation.

In this instance, I hope Dorrell does throw Streeter under the bus.  Race should never have been part of this discussion and the sooner it exits, the better.  I think the large majority of Dorrell's detractors are happy to debate the length of his continued employment on his record, as it should be.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 18, 2007 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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