Spurrier To Westwood Chat Hits LA Talk Radio (AM570)
Bumped. Looks like we are not only one picturing Spurrier in Westwood. GO BRUINS. -N
AM570 - 11/05 Joe McDonnell 8pm hour...
No exactly breaking news of any sort even though they touted it as such before the spot. It was reported last night that Karl Dorrell has been told that he needs to win all three remaining games to save his job. It was on the Joe McDonnell show with Tim Cates, who hosts the Bruin post-game show on AM570. The guest was Peter Vascay(sp?), who reported the news.
The good news to me was that even if he beats sc but loses either of the other two games he is gone. They said that it had appeared that Dorrell is beginning to lose his players and is showing another meltdown.
Now, You and I both know that Dorrell should have been gone long before this moment and he shouldn't be given any more chances. But, I find it absolutely amazing that People close to the program want him around.
Just before the spot with Peter Vascay, they had Matt Stevens on. Matt Stevens everyone will remember is a Rose-Bowl winning quarterback for UCLA; I can't believe his acceptance of Karl's tenure at UCLA. Although, I believe he may just be trying to be nice to keep his cush job.
I just thought it was interesting to hear from Dorrell supporters on the radio that even an sc win will not save his job this year.
Bring in Steve Spurrier. Man, he would be great at UCLA. Do you think if UCLA got some boosters to get him a membership to one of the exclusive golf clubs in L.A. he would come?
Think about this; and I know it has been reported here before, but it is very much relevant.
Dodgers - Joe Torre
Angels - Mike Scocia
Lakers - Phil Jackson
Clippers - well who cares?
UCLA Basketball - Ben Howland
sc basketball - timmey floyd
sc football - cheaty petey
UCLA Football - ??????????
A lot of big names in this town; UCLA needs a big name coach.
I believe they mentioned Spurrier on the radio last night. They said something about him wanting to come out west or something like that. I'm going to make as much noise as I can at the Rose Bowl on Saturday and on the radio about Steve Spurrier.
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Finally!
I really do belive
by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:13 AM PST reply actions
The expectation was a nationa title run
There is nothing elite about our current status, and that was the DG promise.
If he gets to a BCS bowl game
Now, he will not win these three games, so its a moot point.
by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
If he wins the Pac 10
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Would love, love love Spurrier....
by BruinManDan97 on Nov 6, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions
I want Spurrier
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Spurrier would immeadiately elevate the program,
- He makes $1.75 million per year at South Carolina
- He's been openly critical of the administration's admission criteria for athletes
by McCloskey on Nov 6, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions
Spurrier
I'm also not convinced that he would be the savior for UCLA football. At this point, I consider him to be a bit of a re-tread, and in case you haven't been following South Carolina, they've lost 3 straight and could easily go 6-6 this year.
Yes, Spurrier is nice to think about, and would probably have a beneficial short-term impact on the program, but is he a good long-term solution... I don't think so.
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
the academic requirements might not be a problem
Spurrier at a place like UCLA could recruit much better, and probably would be able to get some of the better academic guys he can't get at South Carolina
by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
No Doubt...
I just get the sense that Spurrier is more of a "win-at-all-cost" kind of a guy.
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
disagree norcal
I think N has written this already. At UCLA Spurrier is going to work with much larger, incomparable recruiting base than what he currently has at USC.
He will reel them in. And you think recruits will want to go burn in hot desert sun to play for someone like Erickson, when they can get better coaching under Spurrier at UCLA. I don't buy it.
I don't think Spurrier at UCLA is as far fetched as some of you are making it to be.
Sure I get the money argument. I think it will be a challenge at UCLA to get a football coach with base salary at 2 million. But I think if there is willpower, it can be done.
We should talk this up, instead of shooting this down.
We have to believe
by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree...
Spurrier, on the other hand, has always come across as a bit of an ego-maniac. I seem to recall his teams running-up the score and throwing in the 4th quarter of blowout games. Is that the kind of guy we want?? Plus, he's not exactly making progress in South Carolina either. What is he, like 21 and 14?
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ego? So what
As far I know Spurrier ran a clean program at Florida. His kids never really got in trouble. Sure the academic requirements are tougher at UCLA. But I have a feeling if Spurrier got to UCLA, he would be able to manage.
I don't doubt
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Agree to Disagree...
Spurrier always seemed to be a bit of a whiner, throwing visors out onto the field, cussing out refs, blasting his schools administration, not to mention his self-proclaimed quest to hang "half-a-hundred" on all opposing teams, which usually meant airing it out with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter. His press conferences were usually 3-ring circuses as well. If that's what we want, then I'm not on board...
I'm all for UCLA spending the money, I just don't think I'd spend it on Spurrier.
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
21-14
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
thats a bad argument norcal
I get it that you think it'd be tough to get Spurrier to Westwood. But please stop the Spurrier bashing. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ones we get from Dorrell lovers.
Well...
This seems to parallel Dorrell's first 3 years, am I wrong??
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Facts
Spurrier took over from Lou Holtz who went 33-37 at USC. That is a winning percentage less than .500 (.471). Lou went 5-6 in his last season before going 5-7 in the previous 2.
And Spurrier didn't take over a program that was stocked with talents. He took over a program which only had one top-15 class in the previous three years (Scout.com database goes back to 2002):
2004 (28)
2003 (15)
2002 (18)
Dorrell in contrast took over from Toledo who had .605 winning percentage at UCLA, was 4 years removed from a Pac-10 championship, a 20 game winning streak, and boat load of recruit talent that started flooding in after 1998.
In Dorrell's first year his recruiting haul ended up as the 35th ranked class in the nation. However, as we have written number of times he had no shortage of NFL caliber talent recruits in the team which was built on top-5/10 recruiting classes since 1998.
In fact Toledo's last full recruiting class (2002) was ranked number 7 per scout.
So Spurrier had nowhere close the talent Dorrell inherited in Westwood.
I am not sure what you are trying to get at by putting down Spurrier by comparing him to Dorrell. But given all the arguments I have made here on BN and over at Fire Karl Dorrell blog, I feel pretty comfortable arguing that something tells me if Spurrier ended getting QBs like Moore or Olson, or RBs like White or MJD to work with, he would have done tad better than what the Doofus did in his first two years, and then turn that into even bigger mega recruiting hauls at UCLA.
So I will stop this comparison here because frankly it is kind of dumb, the kind of arguments I used have with Dorrellistas back in the day.
As I said above you think getting Spurrier to UCLA is tough. Fine I get that. But the argument that Spurrier has done as bad as job as Dorrell has done at UCLA is just is misplaced to be kind.
Facts
I'm not saying that Spurrier's performance is as bad as Dorrell's. I know that Spurrier would eat Dorrell alive. However, you can't reasonably say that going 8-5, 7-6, and now 6-4 in his first 3 seasons are reasons to get excited as a potential HC prospect. Spurrier's and Dorrell's records their first 3 seasons are virtually identical, hence the term "Dorrellian".
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Lets stop this bullshit now
Dorrell took over a program that was well stocked with NFL caliber talents built in a bevy of top ranked classes. UCLA's recruiting talent edge over USC when Dorrell took over compared to what Spurrier had, was substantial. It wasn't marginal.
And it is disingenuous to argue that Spurrier's performance had Dorrellian, without taking into account the amount of talent Dorrell inherited compared to what Spurrier had.
They were not similarly situated with respect to the conditions they inherited their programs.
I'd bet money if Dorrell took over at USC after Holtz left he wouldn't post a winning percentage over .450.
So lets stop this bullshit now.
Thanks.
Alright...
Ultimately, I want exactly what you guys want. A competant head coach who can re-build our program with long-term success. I don't believe Spurrier is the one to do that.
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
lol
However, all I am saying that Spurrier is not as unrealstic option as some may think.
My bad for getting so hot in this subthread.
Lets carry on.
Academics
I give my memory maybe a 50% chance of being accurate about these events. Our smart people should be able to dig up the reality of the situation.
Aren't NCAA academic standards universal?
NCAA
by nikeu on Nov 6, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Colin Cowherd
I just hope it reached both Boise and Westwood.
Doubt it
by dana on Nov 6, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions
You never know
by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yes,
I say we start referring to KD as the interim coach or something and go full steam ahead with talking about possible replacements, including Steve Spurrier.
by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Right now it is all rumors...
Take the fund from the billboard that is no longer needed and build on it to pay for Spurrier's membership to one of the exclusive golf clubs in L.A.
UCLA, I believe knows that they are going to have to pay this time. We can't live in the past about the school's tendencies. It is a new era.
One major thing to think about is something Colin Cowherd talks about regularly. If Peterson or Spurrier are offered the job at UCLA for $2 million/year, and they get offers from Texas A&M or Nebraska for $2 or $2.5/year then UCLA needs to offer other things.
Colin's argument goes like this: $2 million in L.A. and your middle class, $2 million in Nebraska or b.f.Texas and your, well, a millionaire. I have to agree; I make good money but I'm broke living in Orange County.
But, there are other ways around it. I'm sure UCLA has the resources to get a membership for the 'ole coach at a prestigious golf club. He loves his golf. And, Yes, it is different if he wants to golf versus KD.
and another thing, I hope more people in the nation think Steve Spurrier is past his prime. It'll drive down the price a little; if say the people in Lincoln or wherever T a&m is at think they want a young, innovative coach.
The simple fact is that it is being talked about on the radio. That could very well mean absolutely nothing. But, that talk could get louder and louder and maybe reach South Carolina.
by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM PST reply actions
The time line
It's an interesting quandry, get a proven coach for a short term (Spurrier), or a young up and coming guy (Petersen) for perhaps the long term.
Either way
Sporting News:
Two names keep coming up should a coaching change occur at UCLA: Boise State's Chris Petersen and BYU's Bronco Mendenhall.
And I wouldn't be shocked if Texas Tech's Mike Leach becomes a player for the UCLA job if he opts to leave Lubbock on his own accord. But if Mendenhall left BYU for UCLA, would Leach be interested in going to BYU, his alma mater?
This was on the Sporting News website. Doesn't mention Spurrier at all but another popular pick is on it.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=300844
Nester, Sorry don't know how to do the block quotes.
by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 2:42 PM PST reply actions
I'm wondering how KD was told
Face to face meeting w/Guerrero?
Memo/letter?
Voice mail? OR... (drum roll)
Text message?
But seriously -- if rumour is true -- how was he told?
Peterson/Spurrier
Who thinks Spurrier would coach more than 3 or 4 years then decide to retire??
Both men are proven successes and both would be that "big name" hire we are looking for. I would prefer being in the hunt for NC's for many years instead of just a few.
If we are to rebuild the program from the smoldering ashes that it is now, that's the way I see it.
Yes
Peterson would be the better long term choice, I think...
by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Petersen
by nikeu on Nov 6, 2007 4:25 PM PST reply actions
I agree
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
2 things...
Second, and this goes for any potential hire, is the MASSIVE incentive for any coach -- UCLA's 3rd-ranked incoming class (assuming they all stay committed).
This thread getting picked up by SI
Nice pick-up
The BN story is located a tad bit down the page.
Just prepare yourselves everyone.
EDSBS linked it also
Also, EDSBS just published a piece giving their take on firing Dorrell, focussed on belittling those that would pull the race card. If anyone else here listens to the sunday night call-in show/podcast, Dorrell's craptasticness has come up dating to the Notre Dame game; the last 2 weeks has seen their POV of Dorrell shifting more to him simply being a joke of a HC.

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