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Spurrier To Westwood Chat Hits LA Talk Radio (AM570)

Bumped. Looks like we are not only one picturing Spurrier in Westwood. GO BRUINS. -N

AM570 - 11/05 Joe McDonnell 8pm hour...

No exactly breaking news of any sort even though they touted it as such before the spot.  It was reported last night that Karl Dorrell has been told that he needs to win all three remaining games to save his job.  It was on the Joe McDonnell show with Tim Cates, who hosts the Bruin post-game show on AM570.  The guest was Peter Vascay(sp?), who reported the news.

The good news to me was that even if he beats sc but loses either of the other two games he is gone.  They said that it had appeared that Dorrell is beginning to lose his players and is showing another meltdown.

Now, You and I both know that Dorrell should have been gone long before this moment and he shouldn't be given any more chances.  But, I find it absolutely amazing that People close to the program want him around.

Just before the spot with Peter Vascay, they had Matt Stevens on.  Matt Stevens everyone will remember is a Rose-Bowl winning quarterback for UCLA; I can't believe his acceptance of Karl's tenure at UCLA.  Although, I believe he may just be trying to be nice to keep his cush job.

I just thought it was interesting to hear from Dorrell supporters on the radio that even an sc win will not save his job this year.

Bring in Steve Spurrier.  Man, he would be great at UCLA.  Do you think if UCLA got some boosters to get him a membership to one of the exclusive golf clubs in L.A. he would come?

Think about this; and I know it has been reported here before, but it is very much relevant.

Dodgers - Joe Torre
Angels - Mike Scocia
Lakers - Phil Jackson
Clippers - well who cares?
UCLA Basketball - Ben Howland
sc basketball - timmey floyd
sc football - cheaty petey

UCLA Football - ??????????

A lot of big names in this town; UCLA needs a big name coach.

I believe they mentioned Spurrier on the radio last night.  They said something about him wanting to come out west or something like that.  I'm going to make as much noise as I can at the Rose Bowl on Saturday and on the radio about Steve Spurrier.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Finally!
I'm not a religious man, but I'm praying to almighty Science that that rumor is true. Having the evil genius 'ol bawl coach in westwood is making me hot under the collar.
Victory or until next year!

by ncrpz2 on Nov 6, 2007 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really do belive
that if we get a "name" coach like a Spurrier, we won't lose many, if any, recruits.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The expectation was a nationa title run
and not a mere conference title at 8-4.  I absolutely disagree that 8-4 should save KD's ass, given all the favorable factors enumerated time and time again previously.

There is nothing elite about our current status, and that was the DG promise.

by bluegold on Nov 6, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If he gets to a BCS bowl game
I don't see him getting fired. It just won't happen.

Now, he will not win these three games, so its a moot point.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Unless DG comes out and says that Dorrell is gone no matter what, my hand is forced.  

I won't openly root for any opponent, but I won't be disappointed if ASU or Oregon win.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 6, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he wins the Pac 10
and gets to the Rose Bowl there's no way the administration would agree wo buying out his contract and paying a new coach at the same time.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would love, love love Spurrier....
He knows the game, has rebuilt 3 programs, and is a proven winner.  He already has had a bad taste of the NFL and could be the perfect counterpart for PC.  Personable, exciting, upbeat, and if UCLA's admin is really concerned.... I'll buy the guy a nice suit and electronic organizer for birthdays, just so they think he's all that....
Dorrell??? Really???

by BruinManDan97 on Nov 6, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I want Spurrier
just to see him spar with PC in the weeks leading up to the SC game. Nobody talks a better game than Spurrier and giving him the LA market to talk to and a major rival will just give him more ammo.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spurrier would immeadiately elevate the program,
but...
  1. He makes $1.75 million per year at South Carolina
  2. He's been openly critical of the administration's admission criteria for athletes
Both of those seem to forestall against a job in Westwood

by McCloskey on Nov 6, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Spurrier
I would have to agree with McCloskey's post. To get Spurrier out to UCLA, we would have to offer a minimum of $2 million a year. I also don't think Spurrier would enjoy dealing with the sort of academic standards required of our recruits.

I'm also not convinced that he would be the savior for UCLA football. At this point, I consider him to be a bit of a re-tread, and in case you haven't been following South Carolina, they've lost 3 straight and could easily go 6-6 this year.

Yes, Spurrier is nice to think about, and would probably have a beneficial short-term impact on the program, but is he a good long-term solution... I don't think so.

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the academic requirements might not be a problem
you have to remember that at South Carolina, you have no tradition to use in recruiting, a below average academic instituion, and a undesirable place to live. Besides Spurrier, it has nothign going for it.

Spurrier at a place like UCLA could recruit much better, and probably would be able to get some of the better academic guys he can't get at South Carolina

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 6, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Some of the guys who currently could get into UCLA, but won't give us a look, would definitely look our way if Spurrier was here.  He brings instant credibility.  

by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Doubt...
that Spurrier would bring instant credibility in the eyes of some recruits. But, Spurrier will still need to compete against $UC, Cal, Oregon, and a possibly rejuvenated ASU program for recruits. In such a competitive environment, I can see Spurrier getting critical of the administration if he loses a stud recruit to $UC because of academic issues. I don't think that's too far-fetched to imagine (especially considering he's coming from the SEC).

I just get the sense that Spurrier is more of a "win-at-all-cost" kind of a guy.

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree norcal
Spurrier is the football equivalent of our Ben Howland. He will get the recruits.

I think N has written this already. At UCLA Spurrier is going to work with much larger, incomparable recruiting base than what he currently has at USC.

He will reel them in. And you think recruits will want to go burn in hot desert sun to play for someone like Erickson, when they can get better coaching under Spurrier at UCLA. I don't buy it.

I don't think Spurrier at UCLA is as far fetched as some of you are making it to be.

Sure I get the money argument. I think it will be a challenge at UCLA to get a football coach with base salary at 2 million. But I think if there is willpower, it can be done.

We should talk this up, instead of shooting this down.

by bluestreet on Nov 6, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to believe
"We should talk this up, instead of shooting this down."  I agree.  Why not think big?  Why can't UCLA pay more money for a big time coach?  Maybe that's the culture that DG's trying to change, I don't know.  I'm not going to pretend like it will just happen ($$$), but if DG wants it to happen, I think he's a smart enough man to make it happen.  And FWIW, if they decide to raise my season ticket donation to help pay for a big name coach, I'm all for it.  

by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...
Have to disagree with the Howland/Spurrier comparison, at least from a "character" perspective. Howland, as far as I can tell, is truly a teacher both on and off the court. He's teaching 18 year old boys to become men in the way they carry themselves and represent the university. Luckily, he's also a hell of a b-ball coach.

Spurrier, on the other hand, has always come across as a bit of an ego-maniac. I seem to recall his teams running-up the score and throwing in the 4th quarter of blowout games. Is that the kind of guy we want?? Plus, he's not exactly making progress in South Carolina either. What is he, like 21 and 14?

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ego? So what
Spurrier has a ego. So what. So does Howland from what I know. And there is nothing wrong with that.

As far I know Spurrier ran a clean program at Florida. His kids never really got in trouble. Sure the academic requirements are tougher at UCLA. But I have a feeling if Spurrier got to UCLA, he would be able to manage.

by bluestreet on Nov 6, 2007 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't doubt
Spurrier could recruit at UCLA. The question is whether or not he wants to deal with the academic requirements here. It's just another thing to worry about. Of course we won't knwo the answer to this question unless we pick up the phone and call him. That's step 1. I don't think he'll be interested, but I'd sure as hell like to find out 1st hand 1st.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to Disagree...
We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of "ego-maniac" in this case. In my eyes, Howland is  confident, determined and a true professional.

Spurrier always seemed to be a bit of a whiner, throwing visors out onto the field, cussing out refs, blasting his schools administration, not to mention his self-proclaimed quest to hang "half-a-hundred" on all opposing teams, which usually meant airing it out with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter. His press conferences were usually 3-ring circuses as well. If that's what we want, then I'm not on board...

I'm all for UCLA spending the money, I just don't think I'd spend it on Spurrier.

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

21-14
Spurrier's record so far through 3 years (.60%) after taking over for Lou Holtz. He could easily go 6-6 this year (currently 6-4 with Florida/Clemson remaining). Loss to Missouri in the Independence Bowl his first year, and a "big" win over Houston in the Liberty Bowl his second year. All sounds quite Dorrelian if you asked me...

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats a bad argument norcal
Comeon. Spurrier doesn't have a team that has the talent level of UCLA.

I get it that you think it'd be tough to get Spurrier to Westwood. But please stop the Spurrier bashing. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ones we get from Dorrell lovers.

by Nestor on Nov 6, 2007 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
My last argument was based entirely on facts. If you can dispute these facts, please do. All I know is, Spurrier took over a USC program that was in pretty good condition. They were a couple years removed from a some 8-9 win seasons, and they were 6-5 the year before Spurrier took over. Now, in Spurrier's third year, with many of his recruits (which appear to be mostly 3-4 start athletes a la UCLA), he's looking at a 6 or 7 win season and a crappy bowl game.

This seems to parallel Dorrell's first 3 years, am I wrong??

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Facts
I don't believe facts support what you trying to argue.

Spurrier took over from Lou Holtz who went 33-37 at USC. That is a winning percentage less than .500 (.471). Lou went 5-6 in his last season before going 5-7 in the previous 2.

And Spurrier didn't take over a program that was stocked with talents. He took over a program which only had one top-15 class in the previous three years (Scout.com database goes back to 2002):

2004 (28)
2003 (15)
2002 (18)

Dorrell in contrast took over from Toledo who had .605 winning percentage at UCLA, was 4 years removed from a Pac-10 championship, a 20 game winning streak, and boat load of recruit talent that started flooding in after 1998.

In Dorrell's first year his recruiting haul ended up as the 35th ranked class in the nation. However, as we have written number of times he had no shortage of NFL caliber talent recruits in the team which was built on top-5/10 recruiting classes since 1998.

In fact Toledo's last full recruiting class (2002) was ranked number 7 per scout.

So Spurrier had nowhere close the talent Dorrell inherited in Westwood.

I am not sure what you are trying to get at by putting down Spurrier by comparing him to Dorrell. But given all the arguments I have made here on BN and over at Fire Karl Dorrell blog, I feel pretty comfortable arguing that something tells me if Spurrier ended getting QBs like Moore or Olson, or RBs like White or MJD to work with, he would have done tad better than what the Doofus did in his first two years, and then turn that into even bigger mega recruiting hauls at UCLA.

So I will stop this comparison here because frankly it is kind of dumb, the kind of arguments I used have with Dorrellistas back in the day.

As I said above you think getting Spurrier to UCLA is tough. Fine I get that. But the argument that Spurrier has done as bad as job as Dorrell has done at UCLA is just is misplaced to be kind.

by Nestor on Nov 6, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Facts
This is futile I know...but in the last 5 years before Spurrier took over, USC went 33-26 (.559%). In the last 5 years before Dorrell took over, UCLA went 35-24 (.593%). I would say the programs were in similar condition. Maybe UCLA had a marginal talent edge over USC over the last few years, but the difference is probably not really significant (if we go by rivals/scout ratings).

I'm not saying that Spurrier's performance is as bad as Dorrell's. I know that Spurrier would eat Dorrell alive. However, you can't reasonably say that going 8-5, 7-6, and now 6-4 in his first 3 seasons are reasons to get excited as a potential HC prospect. Spurrier's and Dorrell's records their first 3 seasons are virtually identical, hence the term "Dorrellian".

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets stop this bullshit now
Dorrell took over a well stocked program. We have discussed that fact over and over and over and over again.

Dorrell took over a program that was well stocked with NFL caliber talents built in a bevy of top ranked classes. UCLA's recruiting talent edge over USC when Dorrell took over compared to what Spurrier had, was substantial. It wasn't marginal.
And it is disingenuous to argue that Spurrier's performance had Dorrellian, without taking into account the amount of talent Dorrell inherited compared to what Spurrier had.

They were not similarly situated with respect to the conditions they inherited their programs.
I'd bet money if Dorrell took over at USC after Holtz left he wouldn't post a winning percentage over .450.

So lets stop this bullshit now.

Thanks.

by Nestor on Nov 6, 2007 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright...
Uncle, uncle... I don't agree with you, and you clearly don't agree with me on this. I think that's OK. I was just weighing in on Spurrier's merits as a coach on a UCLA sports blog. Apparently, I ruffled some feathers here.

Ultimately, I want exactly what you guys want. A competant head coach who can re-build our program with long-term success. I don't believe Spurrier is the one to do that.

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
I know we both want what is best for UCLA. I can see your concerns about why we may want a coach who might have already hit the peak of his career.

However, all I am saying that Spurrier is not as unrealstic option as some may think.

My bad for getting so hot in this subthread.

Lets carry on.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2007 3:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Academics
I'm not sure the academics business is being stated correctly.  (This isn't a figure of speech - I'm really not sure.)  I think his problem was not that the real USC's entrance standards were too high, I think he was made because someone told several recruits (something like 8) that they met UCS's entrance standards, then when they committed they were told that they didn't meet them.  As I recall, Coach Spurrier was mad because the recruits had been told two different stories.

I give my memory maybe a 50% chance of being accurate about these events.  Our smart people should be able to dig up the reality of the situation.

by Fox 71 on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't NCAA academic standards universal?
BTW, all UC schools have a certain number of "slots" for those who do not reach the university's minimum requirements, but who are special cases.   Lots of athletes fall into this category.  As long as they are NCAA eligible, they can attend UCLA and play (assuming slots are available).

by RedDoor on Nov 6, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NCAA
Yes all schools have to meet the same NCAA standards. From what I understand, the Pac10 has slightly higher standards and every team from UCLA to WSU is required to meet those too. If a school wishes to require more, that is up to them. That was the case with Spurrier at the real USC, the school required a little bit more than the NCAA/SEC and he wasn't to happy about that.

by nikeu on Nov 6, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd
Was on today talking about CTS^2 (Coach Toledo's Successor - squared). He was lobbing, like most of us, for Chris Peterson. Mind you, this is a national broadcast.

I just hope it reached both Boise and Westwood.

by Nars on Nov 6, 2007 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it
I really don't see the admin paying the money it would take to sign spurrier. Remember, a number of big-time schools are going to be looking for a new HC and they're going to shell out the bucks to get the coach they want. That's only going to drive up the price to compete with those schools. And, given UCLA's history, I'm doubtful we do that.

by dana on Nov 6, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You never know
If Spurrier only makes a move for the money, then you're right, we can't compete with that.  However, if money's not the main motivator, then I think we'd have a shot at getting him.  The opportunity to coach at a great school like UCLA, the weather, and the availability of great recruits in his backyard, I think would be enticing.

by NickBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,
he says he wants to play in the sun.  He is a southerner, but L.A. has got to resonate with him.  One of the biggest things is the recruits he can get in So. Cal.

I say we start referring to KD as the interim coach or something and go full steam ahead with talking about possible replacements, including Steve Spurrier.

by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right now it is all rumors...
Radio guys talking.  There may some merit to it, though.  I'll be making noise about it; calling radio shows, chanting his name at the Rose Bowl on Saturday and anything else I can think of.

Take the fund from the billboard that is no longer needed and build on it to pay for Spurrier's membership to one of the exclusive golf clubs in L.A.

UCLA, I believe knows that they are going to have to pay this time.  We can't live in the past about the school's tendencies.  It is a new era.

One major thing to think about is something Colin Cowherd talks about regularly.  If Peterson or Spurrier are offered the job at UCLA for $2 million/year, and they get offers from Texas A&M or Nebraska for $2 or $2.5/year then UCLA needs to offer other things.

Colin's argument goes like this:  $2 million in L.A. and your middle class, $2 million in Nebraska or b.f.Texas and your, well, a millionaire.  I have to agree; I make good money but I'm broke living in Orange County.

But, there are other ways around it.  I'm sure UCLA has the resources to get a membership for the 'ole coach at a prestigious golf club.  He loves his golf.  And, Yes, it is different if he wants to golf versus KD.

and another thing, I hope more people in the nation think Steve Spurrier is past his prime.  It'll drive down the price a little; if say the people in Lincoln or wherever T a&m is at think they want a young, innovative coach.

The simple fact is that it is being talked about on the radio.  That could very well mean absolutely nothing.  But, that talk could get louder and louder and maybe reach South Carolina.

by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The time line
I think Spurrier would be a great hire, but how long would he coach here.  He would absolutely turn the program around, and we'd be on the winning track with 2 years.  If it does coem to pass, hopefully he would lay a sturdy enough foundation to pass on to the follow on coach.  Because, let;s face it, he's getting a little bit up there in the AARP benefits.  He might want to coach for a long time, or he might decide that 3-4 more years is enough.
It's an interesting quandry, get a proven coach for a short term (Spurrier), or a young up and coming guy (Petersen) for perhaps the long term.
Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Nov 6, 2007 1:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Either way
we have to get rid of CTS for the immediate term.

by Fox 71 on Nov 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sporting News:
 Change is Bruin

Two names keep coming up should a coaching change occur at UCLA: Boise State's Chris Petersen and BYU's Bronco Mendenhall.

And I wouldn't be shocked if Texas Tech's Mike Leach becomes a player for the UCLA job if he opts to leave Lubbock on his own accord. But if Mendenhall left BYU for UCLA, would Leach be interested in going to BYU, his alma mater?

This was on the Sporting News website.  Doesn't mention Spurrier at all but another popular pick is on it.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=300844

Nester, Sorry don't know how to do the block quotes.

by FullertonBruin on Nov 6, 2007 2:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering how KD was told
he had to win all 3 remaining games to save his ass.

Face to face meeting w/Guerrero?

Memo/letter?

Voice mail?   OR...  (drum roll)

Text message?

But seriously -- if rumour is true -- how was he told?

by bluegold on Nov 6, 2007 3:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Peterson/Spurrier
If given a choice between the two, I would take Peterson over Spurrier only because the upside is a shot at long term sustained success as opposed to short term success, then wondering who the next coach would be and how would that person handle the job.

Who thinks Spurrier would coach more than 3 or 4 years then decide to retire??

Both men are proven successes and both would be that "big name" hire we are looking for. I would prefer being in the hunt for NC's for many years instead of just a few.

If we are to rebuild the program from the smoldering ashes that it is now, that's the way I see it.

by artybruin on Nov 6, 2007 3:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Spurrier is 59 (60??) and an avid golfer. To me, that spells early retirement. I also don't think he has the "fire" he used to have, and seems to be showing it in his 3 years at USC. Unless he rights the ship at South Carolina to close out the season, he could very well go 6-6. 8 wins his first year, 7 wins his second and 6 wins his third. Is that progress??

Peterson would be the better long term choice, I think...

by norcalbruin95 on Nov 6, 2007 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Petersen
I wonder just how interested he would be in leaving BSU. He currently makes as much as Dorrell with a much lower cost of living. When BSU offered him more money, he told them to give it to his assistant coaches (kind of like Beamer did at Va-Tech a couple of years ago). He just build a big house outside of the school too. At BSU he is a big fish in a little pond, however he is fighting for BCS bowls every year too (he is this year even with a loss). Clearly BSU is a much lower pressure job. Of course none of that means a hill of beans if he is interested in leaving, but it does beg the question.

by nikeu on Nov 6, 2007 4:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Peterson isn't a guy you're gonna go to and just tell him to come to UCLA. It will take some persuasion. I think it can be done if they're committed to bringing him in. Offer $1.5 million a year plus raises for his assistants as well as a promise to increase the recruiting budget and a few more things and he can be had.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 6, 2007 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2 things...
First, Spurrier has worked in California before. For those of you over 35 you may remember him, as I do, as the Heisman bust for the 49ers in the 70s. He was supposed to come in after the great John Brodie retired and continue the Niners' run of playoff success, but he was total flop.  That's my memory of Spurrier.

Second, and this goes for any potential hire, is the MASSIVE incentive for any coach -- UCLA's 3rd-ranked incoming class (assuming they all stay committed).

Easy money and faithless women, red-eye whiskey for the pain...

by rich87 on Nov 6, 2007 9:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice pick-up
but I click the link and the first thing I see is Ron Jeremy (ack!) and some porn star.  

The BN story is located a tad bit down the page.

Just prepare yourselves everyone.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 7, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

EDSBS linked it also
in more of a "ha ha right" context. But, its another way to get the word out.

Also, EDSBS just published a piece giving their take on firing Dorrell, focussed on belittling those that would pull the race card. If anyone else here listens to the sunday night call-in show/podcast, Dorrell's craptasticness has come up dating to the Notre Dame game; the last 2 weeks has seen their POV of Dorrell shifting more to him simply being a joke of a HC.

by bruinhoo on Nov 7, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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