Coach Wooden Calls Out Lorenzo Romar
We are not ready to let this Tim Morris/Romar issue slide. As many expected the incompetent Pac-10 officials, notorious for being profiles in courage, are letting Morris and the Huskies slide:
"It's just one of those unfortunate plays that happens," said Bill McCabe, the conference's coordinator of men's basketball officiating on Monday afternoon after reviewing the play on tape. […]
McCabe said that in his review of the play it appeared Aboya jumped to the right as Morris threw the ball.
"If you look at the play very clearly, he jumps in the air pretty high the first time, then he comes down, and now the ball starts to release and then Aboya jumps to the right and takes the ball in the face," McCabe said. "If he had jumped straight up again, the ball would probably have gone right by him. Instead, he jumps to the right and the ball hits him in the face."
This is one of those situations in which if people like McCabe do not take a hard stance it will invite more dangerous scenarios down the line. When it appears from the tape that a player was aiming at another player’s head it should be an automatic technical regardless of the intent.
For his part Romar is being weak offering up pathetic defense of his player’s thuggish move (from the same link above):
"I would have jerked [Morris] out of the game immediately," legendary former UCLA coach John Wooden said Monday. "And after the game he'd have heard about it.
"You do have to keep in mind that these are kids and they are going to get over-excited at times and are still not completely mature. But that is no excuse for what happened."
Gary Parrish from Sportsline.com goes even further suggesting Morris should lose his scholarship:
As we have said before if Romar has any shred of class and dignity, instead of making weak and pathetic excuses he offer an apology to UCLA basketball program today.
GO BRUINS.
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Rule Change
However, I believe there is a bigger issue here than this one play. As I watched the play with my wife my first reaction was justifying why it was part of the game. "You mean you can just throw the ball off someone's face?" she asked. My answers just didn't sit right.
I eventually went to the NCAA Mens basketball rulebook. The closest thing there is in the rulebook is a judgement call of intent. Albeit IMO the intent was obvious and the conduct was definitely unsportmanlike - making that judgement call is tough and likely won't prevent repeats of this type of play down the road.
The more I thought about it, the more I realized how dangerous that play is. We almost had a perfect storm where a guy with a previously broken orbital bone in his face could have been seriously injured or killed - within the rules of the game.
Additionally, that play in general allows the team with the ball to gain an advantage they don't deserve by exploiting the 'lack of a rule'. UCLA played great defense preventing the ball from being inbounded. Their entire effort was negated by a 'bailout'.
My end conclusion is that there must be a black and white rule stating that it is illegal in ALL cases to intentionally throw the ball at an opposing player for these reasons:
- The risk of injury. In addition to the potential disaster we could have witnessed, I've seen players jump to avoid getting the ball thrown off their legs, only to land on the ball on their way down. There are enough legitimate plays that can result in injury. There is no reason to increase them through intentional actions.
- The team resorting to throwing the ball off an opposing player gains an undeserved advantage in most cases. Teams should be rewarded for making basketball plays and not get bailed out for failing to inbound the ball or inability to maintain their position inbounds.
- Leaving it up to a judgement call on intent puts refs in an impossible situation. Refs have enough problems with charge/block calls.
- It is not a true 'basketball play'. There are no drills for it. No legitimate coach spends any time on it. The play belongs in Dodgeball or the AndOne league along with carrying, showboating and 4 step drives.
- Lastly, and maybe most importantly, change the rule so I don't have to explain to my wife and kids why the game I love allows such obviously unsportsmanlike behavior.
by ManhattanBeachMatt on Feb 12, 2008 6:33 AM PST 0 recs
Agree with you
As for McCabe's comments, my rebuttal is this. If Aboya jumped into the way of Morris's pass (not really a pass) then please tell me this...What player on the court was the intended receiver? A replay shows that there doesn't appear to be any UW players that were in a direct line with such pass. They had vacated the area. It is more likely that if Aboya had been fortunate to have jumped out of the way, the ball would have sailed out of bounds on the opposite side of the court. And if Morris was throwing to a target other than Aboyas face, why did he cringe and duck out of the way immediately on release? Wooden has nailed it with his comments on the emotions of young men in the heat of the battle. However, that doesn't mean that the behavior is acceptable.
McCabe has pulled out a milk toast run of the mill, polatician like answer, showing no leadership skills what so ever. He doesn't have the stones to stand up and take an obvious side in this issue. Romar is no better with his comments. It seems clear to me that Romar's game plan and call to his team was to hit the Bruins hard and attack them physically in an effort to spark this fledgling team. Probably a good, albeit bush league tactic, to arouse his team. But how hard would it be for him to apologize and let this thing blow over? Instead he has stoked the fire more.
by popopapa on
Feb 12, 2008 7:10 AM PST
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i think its fine to throw
if you look back at a couple earlier games this season, we benefited when collison and westbrook each made a play throwing the ball off of defenders who had their backs turned to the inbound play. that i think is totally legit, however i think throwing a ball directly at someones face deserves a T. It is a judgement call, the ref messed it up first, now the callow pac-10 officials.
lucky aboya is ok, lucky he didn't punch morris in the face. i think that if that was a different player or different team, we might have witnessed a brawl.
by stephons on
Feb 12, 2008 8:29 AM PST
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I totally agree
He should have been T'd up, thrown out of the game, and suspended.
The Pac-10's administration has zero balls. So, is it any wonder we have the worst refs in the nation?
by bornagainbruin on
Feb 12, 2008 10:02 AM PST
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Well, we should agree..
Now, that was a cool play! A little humiliating, perhaps for Oregon, but cool.
by whp68 on
Feb 12, 2008 10:12 AM PST
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All for consistency
But on balance, we could do without throwing it off players backs. Bottom line - its a JV move, shows up on highlight films and is an insult to the recipient. We used to call it getting "la la'd" and retaliation in the form of elbows was not uncommon.
Its always been a part of the game, so I realize that this rule will probably never change. However, so that my conscious is clear, I will always consider it a JV move when its thrown off someone's back and I will shake my head when any player gains an advantage by throwing the ball off an opponent because they are out of position or close to a 5 count. Its only a basketball play if you throw inbounds to your teammate - not if you bank it off your opponents chin.
by ManhattanBeachMatt on
Feb 12, 2008 11:49 AM PST
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there's a difference
It's not a JV move to take advantage of your opponent's inattention. Look what happened to Collison when get got the ball stolen while looking over to the bench.
by mark the bruin on
Feb 12, 2008 12:21 PM PST
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The Pac-10
Tom Hansen, Pac-10 Commissioner: - thansen@pac-10.org
by Raisin on Feb 12, 2008 6:48 AM PST 0 recs
McCabe Logic
by vanaaron on Feb 12, 2008 7:07 AM PST 0 recs
If Aboya caused this
by Dodger Hater on
Feb 12, 2008 12:47 PM PST
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Given that AA2 had facial fractures not long ago..
I'm sure Romar and Morris would both say he didn't know -- but the point is he shouldn't be throwing at the head in the first place.
What if this were 5-6 weeks ago, when AA2 was still needed to wear thicker goggles/ face protection? Anyone at UW realize the serious damage that could have been done to AA2's nose/ sinuses/ eyes?
At a MINIMUM, Morris should have been T'ed up and suspended for a game.
IT.
IS.
ON.
Time for the Bruins to stop expecting to win every game and go out and earn a win every game.
Play tough.
Play smart.
Play right.
Play fast.
Play strong.
AND WIN.
And when Pac-10 Tourney rolls around, let's stomp 'em by 30.
M
by Meriones on Feb 12, 2008 7:15 AM PST 0 recs
At this stage a Romar apology
by bluegold on Feb 12, 2008 7:16 AM PST 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
I think the NCAA needs to step in on this one. The Pac-10 obviously lacks the competence to police itself. (Of course, now I'm implying the NCAA is competent....yeah, right).
Cheap shot? Unsportsmanlike? Absolutely. Yet the biggest infraction goes to the officials and the Pac-10, who inexplicably feel that nothing should be done about it.
by godblesstyus95 on Feb 12, 2008 7:53 AM PST 0 recs
oh my
by tp on
Feb 12, 2008 8:32 AM PST
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This is just some butt covering
by Dodger Hater on
Feb 12, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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Watching the replay again...
by LYC on Feb 12, 2008 8:06 AM PST 0 recs
Money quote
It's not hard to imagine how many other teams would've responded to something like that, which would've likely led to suspensions, possibly injuries, and repeated "highlights" on SportsCenter. Yet Ben Howland has instilled class and sportsmanship into his players, and he and the entire team deserve a lot of credit for restraint in that situation.
I don't expect any cheap-shot retaliations from our warriors if we see them in the Pac10 tourney. But I do expect a focused, high-intensity beat down from start to finish. Let the scoreboard do the talking.
by godblesstyus95 on
Feb 12, 2008 8:29 AM PST
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Haha......
by BlueReign on Feb 12, 2008 8:14 AM PST 0 recs
sorry to repeat myself but
by Dodger Hater on
Feb 12, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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McCabe is a joke
by UCLA4Life on Feb 12, 2008 8:26 AM PST 0 recs
PTI
Spokesman Dave Hirsch said the Pac-10 would not punish Morris because, "We felt the play was part of the game.
"Morris had no other option," Hirsch added. "We don't think he lined up to throw it."
by Raisin on Feb 12, 2008 9:04 AM PST 0 recs
Filthy Mangy Stray Dogs
However, with 47 seconds left, we still could have won that game. If Morris takes the 5 second call, we get the ball with a chance to cut it to 2 points--and with Washington's free-throw shooting, we could have won.
It doesn't matter which school you are a fan of; NO ONE CAN WATCH THAT PLAY (Morris essentially punches Aboya) AND NOT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS INTENTIONAL. No one. I mean, the play speaks for itself. Morris throws the ball directly at Aboya's face, and then practically dives away because he knows the ball is going to come back at him! Insane, filthy, classless--that's all there is to say about it.
What is worse is Lorenzo Romar trying to defend the play. Bottom Line--there is no defense. Romar needs to step up and take responsibility for a very dirty play. Romar needs to admit that his player opted for unsportsman like conduct to preserve a victory.
I am further incensed with Romar saying the following:
Please. Anybody who watched the play can see that that is exactly what Morris was doing. It was intentional and dirty.
There is only one reason why Romar is protecting Morris: they are family. This from The Daily (University of Washington's newspaper):
Romar and Morris are second cousins (Morris' dad is the brother of Romar's mother, for those of you scoring at home). The two met when Tim was 2 years old.
As Romar described with a laugh, back then balance wasn't quite Morris' strong suit yet.
"There's a picture at my house of Morris and my oldest daughter when he was 2," Romar said. "They were hugging for the picture, and they both fell."
Before too long, it was Morris' jumpers that began falling. He caught Romar's attention the first time he saw him play, when Morris was an eighth grader visiting Romar's basketball camp at Pepperdine, where he was coaching at the time.
"That's when I knew. I told his dad, `He's going to be really good,'" Romar said. "We've stayed in touch ever since."
That's right, Romar is protecting his family.
This is so disgusting and disingenuious, I just am beside myself.
Let's not forget, Morris used to be at Stanford. But he couldn't cut it there, and because he selfishly wanted more playing time, he traded in a Stanford degree for a UW degree, and abandoned his team to help himself. This is not a smart kid. I have no doubt that his behavior and attitude problems (which he clearly has) got him booted from Stanford. And the only person willing to take this kid in was his second-cousin, Lorenzo Romar, who Morris refers to as his "uncle."
Someone needs to step in an apologize. We can't expect Romar to do the right thing, he's Morris' uncle or cousin or whatever.
But some unconflicted person needs to do the right thing. It is clear Romar gave a dirty player a scholarship after he blew other opportunities, and now, Romar is trying to protect that player. Who else in the world would protect a Dirty Filthy Mangy Stray Dog but family.
This situation is exactly why Athletic Directors exist. Sometimes players and coaches are just too close to the situation.
Regardless of an apology, let's hope the Bruins can use this as motivation. And this final point can't be made too many times: Alfred Aboya handled the situation brilliantly and with tremendous class. He made UCLA and Cameroon proud on Sunday, and he deserves a lot of credit.
by rfirpo on Feb 12, 2008 9:17 AM PST 0 recs
I was't sure since we already had a posting
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Feb 12, 2008 9:55 AM PST
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PTI Reaction from NC State
Someone posted the video and gave reactions.
by Bruin in Denver on Feb 12, 2008 9:23 AM PST 0 recs
McCabe should be watching
by bruin95 on Feb 12, 2008 9:41 AM PST 0 recs
F'ing Disgusting!
Any person, basketball knowledgeable or not, could watch that video and see that it is intentional. Like it was stated previously, Morris then dove out of the way because he knew exactly what he did.
Officials are not always right. The problem is, just like law enforcement, there is no real oversight of how they perform. It is an inside job, and more times than not, the public is told that what happened was legal and justified.
Did anyone catch Sportscenter last night or this morning? The Lady Vols/Rutgers game and the G'Town/Villanova mens' game were both subjected to completely insane calls very late in their games. Insane calls that had a direct impact on the result of the game.
This does not happen often enough, to where it brings the pathetic officiating into the spotlight. Don't get me wrong, officiating should not even be noticed, but calls throughout the game have an effect on the outcome. Only when the call is in the last seconds of a game and has a direct impact on the outcome does it get noticed.
Officiating can be a hard job, obviously, and officials aren't going to get every call right. BUT, it is up to the commission of the conference involved to make up for mistakes made during the game. They have many ways of doing it; calling a forfeiture, doling out suspensions or fines, or just admitting that a mistake was made with a comment to name a few.
The fact is the PAC-10 has done the most outlandish act; they LIED! They lied to protect the officials involved. The intent was clear as day; if that had happened on a playground the perpetrator could have been arrested and charged with battery.
Bruins should unite. At the PAC-10 tournament at Staples, Bruins should go to the Washington game and heckle the heck out of Washington, Morris and Romar. Whether they play the Bruins or not, they should be blasted when the come into Staples. I will certainly do my part. I will just need a little help coming up with Clean, clever chants. I'm likely to drop F bombs on the assholes.
by FullertonBruin on Feb 12, 2008 9:48 AM PST 0 recs
Coach Wooden and Coach Auerbach
Coach Wooden would pull a guy for lots of reasons, including something he perceived to be unsportsmanlike. Let's put it this way, Kimberly Noah would have learned to act more like a grown-up or he would have ridden the pine.
Coach Auerbach did things a little different. If Coach Auerbach were coaching the Bruins, he would get either Jungle Jim Loscatoff or maybe Bruce Davis to guard Morris for a couple of plays. If Morris could remember what happened when he came out of his coma, he probably wouldn't do the "Oh, gee, that was your face - I mistook it one of my teammates breaking into the clear" play.
Another bad part of comments from the Washington heirarchy is that their defense contains so much self-righteous justification that it suggests they think it would be OK to do it again. That defense didn't work well at the Nuremberg Trials, but it sounds like it's OK with the Pac-10.
It looks like the same crack investigators are looking into this after having wrapped up the reggie bu$h investigation.
by Fox 71 on Feb 12, 2008 9:51 AM PST 0 recs
I think it's going to take a chest pass...
by Chandler on
Feb 12, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Only problem is that it's a chest pass...
by jaffa on
Feb 12, 2008 3:57 PM PST
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I'm thinking about accidentally hitting...
by Chandler on
Feb 12, 2008 11:27 PM PST
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Ridiculous
Intentional! Absolutely freaking intentional!! Throw it off a leg, an arm, the back, whatever. NOT THE FACE! I've been smacked in the face with a basketball by accident before, and there was no way a bunch of girls could have done it with the intensity of Division 1 scholarship athletes. Considering AA2 was hurt earlier this season with a fracture in the orbital bone, (granted Morris might not have remembered or known about it) it was plain dirty.
Also McCabe saying that AA2 jumped into the throw is stupid. Yes, he jumped into his punishment. It's all AA2's fault. What the heck? Just because UCLA is taught to defend the ball on the inbounds properly, AA2 deserves to be smacked in the face.
Unbelievable.
by freesia39 on Feb 12, 2008 10:13 AM PST 0 recs
I would remind coach Romar
Regardless of the rule interpetation, what was done to AA2 was wrong and unsporting, and any coach who claims to be as "moral" as Romar and his all Christian staff, would hold the person responsible for throwing a ball at another players face accoutable for their actions.
It really makes me think Romar is a hypocrite of the highest order.
by silverlakebruin on Feb 12, 2008 10:20 AM PST 0 recs
Well Romar
The incident was bad enough, but the response from the people who are supposed to be accountable is so much worse. Not only absolving this asshole of a blatantly unsportsmanlike act, but to go as far as to blame the victim? This is absolutely shameless behavior, and it upsets me that our 95 team is associated in any way with Romar. With "coaches" like Romar and Lavin on the sidelines in 95, it is a freaking MIRACLE we won that title. I think it's fair to say that Romar is officially disowned by the Bruin faithful. Romar, go fuck yourself.
by Tydides on Feb 12, 2008 10:48 AM PST 0 recs
Romar is dead to me
The Pac 10 did what the Pac 10 does. Nothing.
Meantime, Coach Howland showed class. We're never going to get a break from the pathetic Pac 10 refs, so we're just going to have to play hard and forget about the stupidity.
by waters96 on Feb 12, 2008 10:52 AM PST 0 recs
McCabe is either blind or a liar
by bruin7982 on Feb 12, 2008 11:05 AM PST 0 recs
ridiculous!!
by cyberdbk on
Feb 12, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Is McCabe blind?
So, let me get this straight. Morris intended to cock his arm back and completely unload a full-strength, one-armed pass to...the other sideline? But because Aboya jumped into the path of the ball, it's his fault. There was no UW player he could have passed it to with that type of motion. Plus, Morris just walks away after he tagged Aboya's grill. He knew he was in the wrong. He didn't go up to Aboya immediately and apologize. He was frustrated with Aboya's defense and took it out on his face. Unbelievable! The loss was bad enough, but this is just insulting.
I am a Bruin and Husky alum and have always respected Romar. His words are just classless.
by hspigskinfan on Feb 12, 2008 11:06 AM PST 0 recs
No Excuse
Then you get into some other factors. The kid left Stanford. Romar is practically his uncle. He apparently apologized to Aboya.
But he still made the throw. And AA had the eye injury just a month ago. It's all horrible.
But I had one question that I didn't see in any of the threads, and couldn't really tell from any angle. Does it seem like AA was all over Morris, right on top of him--and rightly so. If there's not enough room on the sideline, it's the refs job to step AA back and get Morris 3 feet. Was there not enough room on the sideline? Regardless, Morris was able to step back and throw the ball right at AA's face, from point blank range.
What I'm trying to say, is that I think Morris was feeling frustrated, hostile, and became violent because of the pressure AA was putting on him. Something made him snap and do it. AA was close, even smothering--he was playing the tough, all-out warrior defense he always plays. You back up, you say something to the ref, you aim the ball at the guy's ankle. You never throw it at his face unless you're trying to hurt him.
And there's no excuse. He needs to be suspended, and Romar should be reprimanded for supporting him.
by zhivooden on Feb 12, 2008 11:36 AM PST 0 recs
Romar on am570 last night
by seas98 on Feb 12, 2008 12:09 PM PST 0 recs
Pathetic
That's one of the dumbest things i've heard. So what morris was trying to do was throw it BY alfred aboya? and where would it have gone if he threw it BY him? out of bounds? yea, that makes sense.
And how do the officials give a technical to DC for confronting and bumping one of UW's players and yet give no penalty for throwing the ball off someone's face?
by CSon on Feb 12, 2008 12:40 PM PST 0 recs
speaking of DC's T
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FWIW,
"I think it was because I reacted. I didn't say any words. I just reacted in a way ... I can't let my emotions get over on me, but again I was sticking up for my teammate."
by jaffa on
Feb 12, 2008 3:55 PM PST
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DC's such a whiner
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Feb 12, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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you are right
by cyberdbk on
Feb 12, 2008 1:37 PM PST
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Go ahead
by cyberdbk on Feb 12, 2008 1:26 PM PST 0 recs
Frame-by-frame
Morris is clearly gritting his teeth as he winds up and plants the ball in Aboya's face. And Aboya doesn't move to his right until after he gets hit. It amazes me how clueless the Pac-10 officials and their administration is.
by mbx on Feb 12, 2008 2:44 PM PST 0 recs
Now that I've re-calmed down a little bit-
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Feb 12, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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Stupendous!
Absolutely stunning work on the evidence!
by whp68 on
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there has to be
by cyberdbk on Feb 12, 2008 3:34 PM PST 0 recs











