Peter Carroll's Trojan Family
Aaah - "Trojan Family." One of the favorite monikers of Peter Carroll and his coaching staff on the recruited trail, egged on by the rabid, delusional freaks worshipping the Trojan horse. Well, this seems to be a nice run down of the "Trojan Family" of alleged thugs and criminals under Peter Carroll:
Marcell Almond - 3 separate fights (no disciplinary action by PC)
Cassell and Lienart get in a frat fight (not with each other) - no disciplinary action by PC
Chauncy Washington breaks a kids jaw - no disciplinary action by PC
Winston Justice arrested for soliciting a prostitute - PC makes him run laps (not making this up)
Manny Wright arrested for beating up his girlfriend - PC sends him to bed without pizza (again, not making this up)
Winston Justice tries to intimidate a fellow student by flashing a gun (which the other student didn't know was fake) - no disciplinary action by PC
Herschel Dennis throws a party in which alcohol and drugs are present. A woman believes she was drugged and gang raped. PC suspends Dennis for three games and promises full cooperation with the authorities. Every player at the party refuses to cooperate with the police, PC takes no action against them even though they made him a liar.
Steve Smith breaks a teammates jaw over an unpaid gambling debt - no disciplinary action by PC, unless saying "boys will be boys" is considered disciplining them
LenDale White beats up a freshman teammate for saying he wanted to prove he was a better player than White - no disciplinary action taken by PC
Eric Wright is arrested for rape, police find over 100 Ecstacy tablets in his apartment. Neither he nor his roommate (another FB player, forget who) will tell the police who the drugs belong to. No action taken by PC against either player.
Mark Sanchez and Brian Cushing get in a fight at a party - no disciplinary action taken by PC
And those are only the ones we know about. Your program has one of the worst off the field history of any school, but the alumni don't care, and never will care, as long as you keep winning.
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Marcell Almond - fights took place before PC. He was suspended for a full season and returned under PC and was never involved in anything again.
Cassell and Lienart get in a frat fight (not with each other) - never happened.
Chauncy Washington breaks a kids jaw - he did this WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL and was suspended by the school.
Winston Justice tries to intimidate a fellow student by flashing a gun (which the other student didn't know was fake) -- um, he was suspended for an entire season.
Herschel Dennis throws a party in which alcohol and drugs are present. A woman believes she was drugged and gang raped. PC suspends Dennis for three games and promises full cooperation with the authorities. Every player at the party refuses to cooperate with the police, PC takes no action against them even though they made him a liar -- Of course they fully cooperated. Nothing happened at the party that warranted charges.
Steve Smith breaks a teammates jaw over an unpaid gambling debt - no disciplinary action by PC, unless saying "boys will be boys" is considered disciplining them--Byrd's jaw broke after the two were wrestling and he fell down and hit his jaw. It was an accident.
LenDale White beats up a freshman teammate for saying he wanted to prove he was a better player than White - This never happened.
Eric Wright is arrested for rape, police find over 100 Ecstacy tablets in his apartment. Neither he nor his roommate (another FB player, forget who) will tell the police who the drugs belong to. No action taken by PC against either player--Wright was kicked out of school.
Mark Sanchez and Brian Cushing get in a fight at a party - Again, some guy confronted Cushing at a party thrown by Sanchez and Cushing fought back. Sanchez did not get into a fight.
Again, I'm not saying that there aren't guys who get in trouble at USC. I'm saying it happens everywhere. But for you to spread these falsehoods isn't very classy. I know you don't lik USC, but does it make you feel good to disseminate something that isn't true? Can't you hate USC yet be intellectually honest?
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't take a rocket science
by Nestor on Nov 3, 2005 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And ...
by Nestor on Nov 3, 2005 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about here?
by bluestreet on Nov 3, 2005 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I think the media has been covering Trojan transgressions very closely. All you had to see was the daily stakeout of TV reporters at USC practice during the Dennis and Wright cases to know that. And you wouldn't know about any of it if it hadn't been covered.
It doesn't bother me that you talk about any of it. I don't expect any compassion, either. The USC-UCLA rivalry does not eat at me like it does at you. I can really care two hoots about what happens at UCLA, except in general I want you guys to at least be a decent team because otherwise it embarrasses the conference.
I just figured that, despite all your hate, you would be intellectually honest. I guess that was foolish.
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
And you say:
I just figured that, despite all your hate, you would be intellectually honest. I guess that was foolish.
by Nestor on Nov 3, 2005 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
again, wow
Yeah, I really don't care two hoots about UCLA. I am on a Bruin blog because I happen to go read sites that I link to, ya know? I also read ATL and EDSBS. Occasionally, I will post comments there, too.
If you have to boil everything down to Trojan vs. Bruin, fine. I guess I expected more from you than that. I came over to point out that:
- It happens at all schools and
- Your rundown this morning was inaccurate.
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well thanks!
by bluestreet on Nov 3, 2005 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about....
What 'real picture' do you want?
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever ...
by bluestreet on Nov 3, 2005 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There you go again HP.
by Nestor on Nov 3, 2005 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not...
I was just pointing out that the fact that another school has problems with it is not a reason to crow, since it is bound to happen anywhere, including UCLA.
This does not excuse anything.
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...false is false
by uclawarren on Nov 3, 2005 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uh ... not so fast
by bluestreet on Nov 3, 2005 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes so fast
White did NOT get physical with Michael Coleman. They exchanged words, nothing more.
As for the MSM not focusing on these stories, clearly you are getting the information from somewhere. If it's not from the MSM, it ain't from your Deep Throat in Heritage Hall. You are just mad that there, apparently, isn't enough to bring down the program. If that's what you are looking for, then, you may never be satisfied.
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
BN has been with me many times on trying to overcome the MSM thought about college football in general and West Coast football in particular. Which was why I was surprised that he would reprint things which are provably not accurate. Like you said, it hurts credibility. But, as Nestor said, I'm just a Trojan and should mind my own business.
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that is true...
by uclawarren on Nov 3, 2005 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wright
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/04/21/sections/sports/sports/article_489985.php
But that is not my point. Some of these are clearly false, and I think it makes we as Bruins look bad when a UCLA Bruins sports web site prints things that are false. BY ALL MEANS, continue to make fun of the Trojans (btw, unless I missed it, where was the commentary on Manny Wright bursting into tears like a little baby at Miami Dolphins camp?), just don't print things that aren't true. I'm not even defending Pete Carroll or what he does. I think he is a slimeball, and I am not saying he runs a clean program, but this has to do with what is printed on the web site.
by uclawarren on Nov 3, 2005 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well this is a blog ...
by Nestor on Nov 3, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
You did not use the word 'alleged' when you first posted it, did you?
Hey, like I said, feel free to do what you want. But, if I want to read about UCLA, why wouldn't I just go to a message board instead?
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
by Heismanpundit on Nov 3, 2005 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is worth bringing up
by uclawarren on Nov 3, 2005 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry guys, gotta agree with HP
I know the L.A. Times is filled with hacks, but c'mon now - scandals like that are the stuff of sportswriter dreams, no matter the program! There's no quicker ticket to notoriety within the business than to break a major scandal (just ask Matt Drudge). The reason you don't hear about many of these incidents is because they're completely unrelated to the $C program.
For example: Washington's breaking a fellow high school student's jaw. Is this reason to condemn the Trojans? Not really. It's not Carroll's job to discipline him. As for recruiting him: he was a 4-star RB recruit in 2002, whose scout.com page never even mentioned the incident or discipline problems of any type.
Though amusingly enough: "To tell you the truth I was more of a UCLA fan growing up but USC turned me over. The Trojan coaches came after me hard and once I went to the school I started to really like them. There is just a vibe about the school, I can't explain it. When I walk on the campus it feels like home." (From a Scout.com interview on his commit day) Academic eligibility problems caused him to miss most of 2004. cough
The point is, UCLA probably recruited him just as hard as SC did and would have almost certainly taken him (same year as MoDrew, but a much different profile - 6'1, close to 200 lbs in high school... would have given UCLA another power-style back, probably). A lot of the 'examples' given in your quoted portion are purportedly untrue (if the only thing I have to go on is an unsubstantiated rumour, sorry, but both my job and my personal sensibilities would compel me to do otherwise), and those that are are often intentionally misapplied.
I'd take the UCLA program's current organizational health over that of USC's any day of the week. But that doesn't mean that we can go ascribing imaginary problems to it.
And it doesn't matter if you're just a few guys posting in your online journal - you say yourself you hope that 'L.A. journalists read your post.' That should be the last thing you want with this, as any L.A. sportswriter is immediately going to know this is message-board junk and just start ignoring the site. They're stupid, but they're not mentally incapacitated (aside from Bill Plashcke, of course).
by Underbruin on Nov 3, 2005 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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