Tshirt Mockup: Vote Here

by DumpDorrell on Oct 30, 2006 9:19 PM PST Comment 48 comments

Ok here are the mockups that kdblows came up with. Im not going to say anything but just show them to you and let you decide and comment.

Once we get a sense what people think, then we will start taking orders. That will be through dumpdorrell.com. We will have a limited edition of 500 shirts so that we can get them to your door before the OSU game. They will be 100% cotton, come in these three colors below and probably be $16 to your door.

The online petition is coming next, hopefully we will have that up tomorrow to viral the heck out of. Dan Guerrero will hear from thousands!

Here are the 3 designs to choose from:

Design Choice A: Save Football

Design Choice B: No Guts No Glory

Design Choice C: Plain And Simple

Ok, this is tough getting 300 words in. I might have to take a post from my site to be able to post this.

We need a new coach! Get the word out. Email this post to your friends (email link at the bottom of this post), put this post or this list on your Facebook, Myspace, or website pages. Email sportswriters, the Daily Bruin, and the administration.

The Lose Lavin movement helped in finally convincing the administration to act and now we have Ben Howland and a program firmly rooted in UCLA excellence. We are not far from getting the same done with football too. We have already seen an affect on the local media. Before there was the internet, we had to hope the local papers would hear us or publish our letter to the editor to be heard. Now we don't need any intermediaries. We have the internet, straight to the people. Spread the word! Go Bruins!!!

Poll

Which Design Do You Prefer?

A: Save Football

185 votes

B: No Guts No Glory

99 votes

C: Plain And Simple

47 votes

D: Any will do, just get me one and Dump Dorrell!

60 votes

391 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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B

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 30, 2006 9:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Put a URL on it

It's important to include either DumpDorrell.com, which is memorable, or BruinsNation.com, which gets around the UCLA issue (I don't think Bruins is trademarked). Think about it: You see all these shirts walking into the RB but where are you going to go for more information? Besides, it lends further credibility to the organized effort to save our football program.

As for the petitions, it would be helpful to include a PDF version online that we all can print out, make copies and take to the game. If someone will send me the text, I can turn it into a PDF and return it to you.

by wmacfadyen on Oct 31, 2006 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"A" ...but I agree with adding URL

It would be much more effective if you add BruinsNation.com somewhere...Isn't the point of the shirt to spread the message.

by YooCLA on Oct 31, 2006 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bruins

I believe is trademarked, if you check the US PTO. However, a good argument could be made for protection under fair use.

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I vote "A"

Simple and effective

Go Bruins...F@#$% Southern Cal... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Oct 30, 2006 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How abut Save BRUIN Football?

Save football sounds awkward. Because if this I vote B.

I would have voted A but, you know.

by True Blue and Gold on Oct 30, 2006 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Copyright issue

I think

by bruinhoo on Oct 30, 2006 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

I'm no IP lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that including the word 'Bruin' would not create any copyright/tm issues.

by Ajax on Oct 30, 2006 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

probably right

but not really worth any trouble for DumpDorrell, just in case.

"Save Bruin Football..." would be my ideal choice as well.

by bruinhoo on Oct 30, 2006 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the trouble is

if UCLA wants to send lawyers after us they will, and that would cost us a ton of money we dont want to risk, it doesn't matter if they are wrong or right. I worked in Ackerman in Bearwear when I was a student and we had Bruin shirts, so someone has a copyright. Why risk it? If there is an IP lawyer in the house ...

Save Football was Menelaus' suggestion (Im not going to give my opinion here on any of these designs) because it is a call to arms and it makes people wonder what?!? And they will look. And its positive, before we say Dump Dorrell, which you know isn't positive to some people, ha.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 30, 2006 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I did suggest that

Though I like Save Bruin Football better.

As I mentioned in a thread below, and again, I am not giving legal advice here and urge you to contact IP counsel before making a decision, but it's not a copyright issue. People can't copyright a word.

If anything, it's a trademark issue, and a simple search can tell you whether or not "Bruin" is trademark. It appears as though "Bruin" standing alone is trademarked by the Boston Bruins, and that UCLA has "UCLA Bruins" (but not Bruins standing alone).

Here's a bunch of detail to clutter your screen:

Word Mark UCLA BRUINS
Goods and Services IC 006. US 013 025 050. G & S: metal key chains, metal license plate frames. FIRST USE: 19760000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19760000

IC 009. US 014 021 026. G & S: magnets, graduated rulers, prerecorded video cassettes featuring general information concerning the university of California at Los Angeles. FIRST USE: 19890000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19890000

IC 014. US 027. G & S: clocks, and cloisonne lapel pins. FIRST USE: 19760000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19760000

IC 016. US 022 037 038. G & S: decals, note paper holders, writing paper and envelopes, pens, ungraduated rulers, playing cards, cardboard windshield sun screens, and coloring books. FIRST USE: 19320000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19600000

(CANCELLED) IC 020. US 002 013 022 025 032 050. G & S: [ mirrors ]. FIRST USE: 19830101. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19830101

IC 021. US 002 033. G & S: mugs, portable coolers, water bottles sold empty, water bottle insulators, and beverage glassware. FIRST USE: 19750000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19750000

IC 024. US 042. G & S: pennants not of paper and towels. FIRST USE: 19400000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19650000

IC 025. US 039. G & S: T-shirts, shorts, tank tops, sweat shirts, polo shirts, rain ponchos, and infantwear. FIRST USE: 19600000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19600000

IC 028. US 022. G & S: basketballs, basketball backboards, golf club bags, golf club head covers, and baby toys, namely stuffed toy animals. FIRST USE: 19760000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19760000

IC 011. US 013 021 023 031 034. G & S: pen flashlights. FIRST USE: 19920000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19920000
Mark Drawing Code     (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number     74425559
Filing Date     August 16, 1993
Current Filing Basis     1A
Original Filing Basis     1A
Published for Opposition     April 18, 1995
Change In Registration     CHANGE IN REGISTRATION HAS OCCURRED
Registration Number     1904077
Registration Date     July 11, 1995
Owner     (REGISTRANT) REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, THE CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1111 FRANKLIN STREET OAKLAND CALIFORNIA 94607
Attorney of Record     M. JOHN CARSON
Prior Registrations     1085874;1185873;1245743
Type of Mark     TRADEMARK
Register     PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text     SECT 15. PARTIAL SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20041218.
Renewal     1ST RENEWAL 20041218
Live/Dead Indicator     LIVE

Word Mark      BRUINS
Goods and Services     IC 041. US 107. G & S: PROFESSIONAL ICE HOCKEY CONTESTS. FIRST USE: 19280000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19280000
Mark Drawing Code     (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number     72313369
Filing Date     December 2, 1968
Current Filing Basis     1A
Original Filing Basis     1A
Registration Number     0872364
Registration Date     July 1, 1969
Owner     (REGISTRANT) BOSTON PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY ASSOCIATION, INC. CORPORATION MASSACHUSETTS 150 CAUSEWAY ST. BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS 02114
Assignment Recorded     ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record     HARRY SINDEN
Type of Mark     SERVICE MARK
Register     PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text     SECT 15.
Renewal     1ST RENEWAL 19890701
Live/Dead Indicator     LIVE

by Menelaus on Oct 31, 2006 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we saw that

yes, trademark is what we meant. Trademark law doesn't require that the exact mark be used to file a suit. UCLA lawyers could make the case that since we put 'football' together with 'Bruin' the public can be confused by that and think the shirt is a University product. I dont want to be the one UCLA lawyers goes after. They don't need to the law to be on their side. They can use the legal system to make it too expensive for us to continue. That's the bottom line.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

actually here is a fuller explanation

a trademark only refers to the registration of a mark with the USPTO. One can assert 'copyright' protection of a mark without having registered the mark with the USPTO. IP law protects "first use" in commerce, which is essentially copyrights. UCLA has long used 'Bruin' and 'Bruins' on tshirts and can assert copyright violations even though they may not have registered those marks with the USPTO.

It would be great to use 'Bruin' or 'Bruins' but who wants to take the risk with legal fees?? Step forward.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They went after 'Moute Kicks Boute'

It was vague and they still got a cease and decist letter from the athletic dept.

by alcor805 on Oct 31, 2006 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

What a bunch of sorry POS's

by Ajax on Oct 31, 2006 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Your analysis is somewhat correct, but your terminology is not.

It is not a copyright violation. Just trust me. It's not.

What your referring to is that UCLA may have some common law trademark rights in marks it has long used in commerce that haven't been registered in the USPTO.

That said, I agree it's probably not worth the trouble/expense of dealing with the issue, and is best avoided in the manner you suggest.

by Menelaus on Oct 31, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thank you for clearing that up

yes, you're right. Common law trademark is what I was referring to. Its been a long time since I dealt with copyright/trademark issues and though I know I have the spirit of the law and concepts right, the terminology gets jumbled. Thanks for clearing that up.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair use

I'm still pretty convinced that you would have a good fair use argument anyway (and to also reiterate M, my advice here does not constitute actual legal advice or a legal relationship), especially if you made it clear that the use of the word Bruin would not create any confusion with anything that UCLA (or more accurately, the Regents of California) would do.

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I see.

Hmmm.

Save LA football?
Save Uclan football
Save westwood football

by True Blue and Gold on Oct 30, 2006 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Design C

We can take out the colon if people want to choose that design. Just an fyi.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 30, 2006 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A

I would definitely buy an "A" t-shirt in true blue, I might buy a "C" t-shirt, and I wouldn't buy a "B" t-shirt. It would be cool if we could figure out how to make shirt A more specific (ie Bruin Football) without violating copyright, but if not I still think "Save Football" is effective. The fact that it's so general and universal makes it funny.

by ranelar on Oct 30, 2006 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice

I like the Save Football and Plain and Simple shirts.

Make it in true blue as well. But $16 guys? You should be practically giving them away for free so we get them to as many people as possible, not trying to make 5 bucks a shirt.

by DorrellkilledBruinfootball on Oct 30, 2006 10:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Vote for A

although I wish the word Bruin was in there.

Didn't the LoseLavin guys have Save Bruin Basketball?

Re. copy right issues I am not a copy right attorney but seems like the words "Bruin" or "Bruins" are fair game because they are nicknames of other high schools and a well known professional hockey team.

by bluestreet on Oct 31, 2006 6:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

What happened?

I thought you hired a graphic artist? Shirt design A looks strikingly similar to the one we put together on Saturday night. Show us the dump truck idea, it sounded good.

by alcor805 on Oct 31, 2006 8:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Design D?

by alcor805 on Oct 31, 2006 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Impeach Dorrell!

Life Would Be Swell Without Dorrell.

(Political Theme)

by alcor805 on Oct 31, 2006 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bruin

Using Bruin/Bruins is perfectly fine, just not UCLA.

by jose007 on Oct 31, 2006 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Adding a URL on back adds to price $1

we can do it if people want it.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

DD

please add your URL to it: www.dumpdorrell.com

I'd be more than happy to pay the extra buck.

by Nestor on Oct 31, 2006 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

URL

Add DumpDorrell.com. I'll pay the extra $1.

by wmacfadyen on Oct 31, 2006 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

UCLA Trademarks & Licensing Department

I spoke to Cynthia Holmes, Director of UCLA Trademarks & Licensing. She said that they do not have Trademarks on "Bruin(s)", and making a public statement by wearing the shirt wouldn't be the problem. The issue arises when you actually sell the shirt. She said the University could create problems for the person selling them.
This is her info:
Cynthia Holmes
Director
Phone: (310)794-8852
E-mail: cholmes@asucla.ucla.edu

by YooCLA on Oct 31, 2006 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

there you have it

straight from the horses mouth. Exactly what I expected. Im surprised they were up front and honest. Well done Yoo!

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Colors

I think the shirt color itself should not be blue or gold. The reason is because if you want a bunch of people to wear these and it to be obvious, they should definitely stick out (like in a group of students in the stands). Orange maybe?

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Disagree

I like the idea of blue and gold. It emphasises that the people wearing them are fans, who support the program, and wan't what's best for UCLA football. Given the logo, I don't think anyone will have any trouble getting noticed, and I prefer staying positive. Just my opinion.

by Menelaus on Oct 31, 2006 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What about

Blue and Gold lettering on a different colored shirt? I think the fact that we still bother to show up to games should be very indicative of our support of the program.

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lavo

is that you? horrible idea. you dont wear anything but true blue in the student section. If you want the real student fans to wear the shirt (the people who go to every game and know what's going on in the program), it has to be true blue.

by ranelar on Oct 31, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I'd like the shirt in true blue and gold.

by Nestor on Oct 31, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just throwing around ideas

Yeah, now that I think about it, it would look terrible. I dunno, I just figured the tshirts need to grab the attention of the tv commentators from far away, since they're on the other side of the Rose Bowl

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

TV commentators

Would easily see big blue banners that students could bring to games. Just an idea.

by Menelaus on Oct 31, 2006 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you imagine

As the Rose Bowl camera does it's panning for "Blue Diamond Almond Fan Cam" it feels safe in a sea of blue. What's this!? "Dump Dorrell"
The whole crowd will then be like "Did I just see that?" and you know what? They DID. They DID get the message. It's there for us all to see.
Do it.

True Blue all the way.

Orange? What the hell?

by True Blue and Gold on Oct 31, 2006 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I've totally lost my edge

due to the fact that I've completely gone comatose due to this absolutely shitty FB season. I need BB to wake me up. I plead NGI.

by stevenucla on Oct 31, 2006 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok. We are adding DumpDorrell.com

on the back of the tshirt, same lettering and all. So the tshirts will be $17 to your door. DD will be the central organizing place for the effort to get rid of Dorrell and get new football coach. We seriously don't want to do this for another year, or worse, longer. It takes a lot of effort. We want to be able to shut the site down for good and just become BN members. This season, these next many weeks, is everyone's best shot at getting Dorrell dumped. Next year it will be harder. We need to really get the message out!

Just sayin.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Once the t-shirt is done

see if you guys can do up a .jpg or .gif file of blogad style ad.

we will see if we can get it up on our left or right column (when it the mathematical possiblity of KD going 8-4 in the reg. season with a victory over Southern Cal is gone).

by Nestor on Oct 31, 2006 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

easily done, no problem

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like no guts no glory because it actually says

why he stinks

by babyblue98 on Oct 31, 2006 10:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Results

Although A is the clear favorite there are enough people that want B that we will make some of those as well. The total number of shirts will be more, but less of each. We will confirm tomorrow.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Oct 31, 2006 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Gold shirts

What about a gold shirt with blue lettering? This would definitley get more notice and stick out in the crowd, while still showing Bruin colors. Either way, we definitely need to stick with only blue and gold.

by YooCLA on Nov 1, 2006 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs