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Face of Dorrell's program in trouble with the law ...

ProFootballTalk to their credit hinted at this story during the NFL draft and to give them credit their sources now look solid. The story is now out. Maurice Jones Drew, the face of Karl Dorrell's mediocre football program is now in trouble with the law. He has been implicated in an ugly incident involving two other former Bruins - (Toledo thug) Ricky Manning and Tyler Ebell (Toledo recruit who transferred out of Dorrell's program) - in beating up some kid near at a Dennys near campus (I don't remember a Denny's back in my days during Westwood). If this allegation against MJD turns out to be true I hope MJD pays whatever stiff price he faces from the legal proceedings. One would think he may not have the same connections to the DA's office enjoyed by (alleged) Trojan thugs when they were being defended by Tratunich.

But this news (allegations) concerning MJD is bad. This allegation looks bad. This reflects badly on the image of UCLA football. And this reflects badly on UCLA. There is no question MJD was the face of Karl Dorrell's UCLA football program this past season when he took the team on his back and made a run for the Heisman.



Of course this is not the only time Dorrell's football players have been in trouble with the law. Here are some other instances I can think of right off the top of my head. As I mentioned earlier perhaps it is time for us to make an exhaustive list of alleged transgressions by UCLA football players/coaches connected to the Dorrell era (may be a SC alum can beat us to it):

I imagine someone can flush out the bullet points even more in detail (perhaps there are Trojan partisan bloggers out there who will do the work?). As mentioned above, I just thought of those incidents during the Dorrell era off the top of my head. Of course we are no where close to the surreal systematic pattern of thuggish goonery at USC, but there is a hint of a trend here under Dorrell. Perhaps this is what Gurrerro and Dorrell mean when they talk about closing the gap with USC? So much for the underbelly nonsense, Dorrell supporters were spouting in regards to cleaning up Toledo's football program.

I remember one of the reasons Guerrero gave for firing Toledo was the circumstances around his football program clearly referring to all the off-field issues at UCLA during the Toledo era. Here is a flashback to 2002:

Guerrero took over for former Athletic Director Pete Dalis last summer and has since expressed certain expectations of UCLA?s football program. According to Guerrero, Toledo has lost the confidence of the fans, players, and the University as a whole. ?This was an extremely hard decision to make but one I felt was necessary for the future of the program,? he said. ?I believe that in order to revitalize our program and move it forward, a change of leadership is required. The circumstances over the past four years, both on and off the field, created an environment that, in my opinion, hindered long-term success."
So has anything really changed under Dorrell? Of course Guerrero also said:
"I felt a change in leadership was necessary," Guerrero told a news conference Monday. "We need to raise the bar, we need to start winning Pac-10 championships again. We want to have a national-caliber program here. We certainly think we should be one of the top programs in the country."
LOL. Yeah, we can see how that has worked out so far.

Now we have the face of post Toledo era getting arrested for an alleged brutal and senseless off campus assault.

This is Dorrell's program. MJD represented the best of what Dorrell had to offer. So much for Dorrell restoring honor and dignity to the UCLA football program, which was flushed down the toilet during the later years of Bob Toledo.

Of course Dorrell could help himself out by coming out and taking a strong stand against even the appearance of alleged thuggery in his football program, but we have not heard anything from the listless, uninspiring leader of UCLA football.

Yet another reason Dorrell has turned out to be a miserable failure at UCLA. Like I said during lunch time ... it's a slow burn.

GO BRUINS.

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Denny's
Yes, there is a Denny's, located where Glendon, Lindbrook, and Tilden converge.  It opened in 2000.

by bruinbabe2000 on May 18, 2006 3:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now what will the Dorrell apologists say?
Before they could at least claim that this was a clean program under KD.  They said that he brought character to the program.  Now what?  UCLA football has no redeeming qualities under Dorrell.  On the field, the program is probably in worse shape than it was under Toledo.  Off the field, the problems with players are almost as bad if not equal to the Toledo era.  Why is Karl Dorrell still the head coach of the UCLA football team?  Nothing has improved.

Our basketball team played for a national title.  Our baseball team has dramatically improved in less than two seasons under Savage.  Our other sports teams have UCLA on the verge of winning 100 NCAA titles.  Yet our football program is a disgrace on the field and off of the field.  

It's time for a change and this time we need the football equivalent of Howland or Savage.  We need a dynamic, experienced, good coach.  The Dorrell experiment is a colossal failure.  Dan Guerrero needs to show this clown the door.    

by Bruin Roar on May 18, 2006 5:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The success of the run to 100
...makes Dorrell look really bad IMO.  I know that we were looking at getting shut out going into spring quarter, but the clutch teams under Scates and Krikorian are showing that our coaching department consists of the haves and the have-nots.

Scates, Howland, Enquist, Krikorian, Savage, etc. :  Haves

Olivier:  Have-not

Which group do you want to join, KD?

by scittles on May 18, 2006 8:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a minute
I support you in your cause to get a football coach that actually knows what he is doing. I believe that this should be the deciding year where a 9 win and an SC beat down is expected from KD. I agree with every post upto now.

MJD has left the program and was hanging out with former ucla football members, who by the way have some shady history. That is a personal choice that should not reflect the current status of the program. MJD chose those friends, and MJD chose to carry out those actions (at least according to the story). He as a grown man that has accepted his grandfather's wishes to leave for the NFL and as a grown man with reasoning abilities  that are derived from basic understanding of what is right and wrong,  should have known better. The minute he takes of that uniform for a different one, he is no longer under KD program. What he does in his own personal time is his own problem. The name of my alma matter does not get soiled because some one decides to be stupid. I refuse to attach those four letter words with this incident. The MJD we love and adore is not the MJD depicted in this story. This is not the humble kid who dishes out compliments to his teammates even though he was the lone star in a dark hole known as UCLA football. Or was that just a PR BS that was fed to us?

By the same comparison, every bruin athlete that has done some wrong, after they have left the school are a reflection of the program. NO. Recently there was a post about a feminist SC professor who had naked pics online. However, she was a ucla student. Does that mean, that the current program that she graduated from is corrupt. NO.

All I am asking is let us not tie this particular arrest with KD's failure as a football coach.  

by justwatching on May 18, 2006 11:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reflections
I agree that this incident isn't as bad as it would have been if MJD was still a student.  But, fair or not, its still reflects poorly on the university.  I am as yet undecided about how much I feel Dorrell should be taken to task about this issue generally, though I'm not pleased by what he's doing with Hale and Ward, but saying this doesn't reflect badly on UCLA is like saying OJ doesn't reflect badly on USC.

by Menelaus on May 19, 2006 8:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just Curious
If John McKay were the USC coach at the time that OJ murdered Nicole and Ron would we be calling for his ouster?

When a lawyer who graduated from the UCLA Law School is disbarred, should the Dean be fired?

When a doctor who graduated from the UCLA Medical School commits Medicaid or Medicare fraud, should we fire the Dean of the Medical School?

When a President who graduated from Yale Law School gets a blow job from an intern -- and lies about it, should we question the integrity of the Dean of the Law School?

At what point does a teacher, dean, or coach cease to be directly responsible for students who are no longer under their direct supervision and control?

What could KD have done to ensure that MJD, after he left school, lived up to the high standards to which we hold our program?

Am I the only one who thought MJD was a great kid, from a good family? His aunt, uncle and sister sat in front of me for one game and I told them how proud I was that he was a Bruin. They seemed like really nice people. Was I wrong?

Before this incident, did any of you think he was a bad person? Was there one post challenging his character?

Does anyone think KD had a reason to expect this behavior from him?

What, exactly, should KD have done, in the time after MJD left UCLA, to satisfy those who are now attacking him?

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 19, 2006 12:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty simple ...
KD could have made an emphatic PR move by putting those two kids on "interim suspension" barring them from partaking any team functions until legal proceedings are resolved.

UCLA could have issued a nice, tight, precise 2-3 para. press release with KD's statement that he will not tolerate any kind of off field issues.

That would have helped.

Of course the lazy fucks in Morgan Center didn't bother drafting a press release.

Neither did they have time for another statement from KD saying how deeply disappointed he is about the stories implicating 3 former Bruins.

And strongly send a signal to rest of the team that this kind of press reports will simply no longer be tolerated.

This is not the 60s or 70s or 80s or even 90s even more.

We live in a super fast world of 24 hr. cable TV news, and an explosive information superighway.

The clowns in Morgan Center (Dorrell and the PR department) are still stuck in the 60s. So are lot of the UCLA fans who are making excuses for this joker of a head coach.

by Nestor on May 19, 2006 1:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Responsibility
I am not a Karl Dorrell fan. I do not think he is a good coach. I have never defended him or made excuses for him.

One can question the logic of those criticizing him without becomming a KD supporter.

The questions in my previous post were asked  in an effort to understand why KD is responsible for the post departure actions of three people who were once associated with the UCLA football program. Why is he held to a different standard than the one to which we hold Deans and Professors?

Exactly what did he do wrong with MJD that makes him responsible for MJD's alleged actions at Denny's?

In a like manner, it seems we cannot have it both ways. MJD was loved on this Board.

In fact, some blamed Dorrell's actions during the bowl game, not putting MJD back in the game -- even though it was clear that MJD wanted back in -- as one of the reasons MJD left UCLA.

People argued that KD had, in essence, run MJD off campus.

Does that now become a good thing? Should we thank KD for ensuring that MJD is no longer on our campus?

We can't have it both ways. If MJD was the saint he was painted to be, how would any of us -- including KD -- know that he was really a a brutal monster?

If he was really the monster, should we retract our criticism of KD for pushing him out the door?

Maybe I'm so old that I can no longer think clearly, after all, I graduated in the 60's; or maybe those of you who graduated many years later use analytic models that I cannot fathom, or have been taught that emotion, not logic and consistency should rule any discussion,  but I really don't understand how the Denny's incident and MJD's role in it has much to do with KD.

Do this old, out of date Bruin a favor -- give me a clear answer to my questions -- one that even I can understand.

As I have said in prior posts -- criticize KD for the shitty football coach that he is.

I think you lose credibility when you stretch too far to make him the cause and repository of all evil.

sjh

PS. You might be surprised to learn how many of us old people are, in fact, media savvy -- and how many of us earn a living playing in the world modern media,  fast response and spin.

PPS. I won't repeat it, but my thoughts about the linbackers' case apply here, too. Let's not convict MJD, just yet.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 19, 2006 2:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree in part
I, perhaps fortunately, have been too busy of late to contribute much in the initial aftermath of all this, but have given it some thought.

Ultimately, I think it is (generally) wrong to blame Dorrell, or any coach, Pom Pom included, for the actions of players post-graduation.

Holding coaches responsible for bad conduct assumes that they have an element of control.  When the kids are in school, the coaches have control, and an obligation to keep tabs on them, and keep them out of situations that could lead to trouble.

When they are in school, you analogy- professor to former student- doesn't work.  A better one would be a employer who, though either intentional act or careless supervision, allowed malfeasance by an employee.

That said, I am still disappointed in MJD for his involvement in this, even if he ultimately is cleared of wrongdoing.  I'd hope he know better than to be around this kind of thing.  And I am particularly disgusted by the wrongdoing at issue: the big kids picking on the little guy (who I used to be myself before a blessed growth spurt, and burst of cooridination).

Personally, I'm much more concerned about Ward and Hall.  That is where Dorrell isn't getting it done.  And by failing to do the right thing there, he has left himself open to criticism re MJD.  It also can be argued that Dorrell and the AD should have been more proactive in their response to this news, and should have made an apppropriate statement.

And finally, to answer your questions in a post higher in this thread: no, no, no and yes.

by Menelaus on May 19, 2006 3:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One More Thing
"The clowns in Morgan Center (Dorrell and the PR department) are still stuck in the 60s." (Nestor16)

This athletic progam stuck in the '60's? You should be so lucky.

Basketball: John Wooden
Football: Tommy Prothro
Athletic Director: J.D. Morgan

No scandals. Great teams. Great people.

It's not those of us who were around in the '60's that fucked up this program. We handed over a strong progam. Us old people should get credit for that.

Somehow, people a lot younger than us have dipped it in shit.

However, we've had the good taste not to drop the "age" card on you.

You should have the good taste to follow our lead.

sjh

by Class of 66 on May 19, 2006 3:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peter Dalis
and his chronies fucked this UCLA program.

It's those guys who are still stuck in that mindset operating as if they are stuck in a time warp decades ago.

by Nestor on May 19, 2006 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about...
The second draft pick of the Jaguars, MJD .....
The current member of the Jacuars, MJD.....

by justwatching on May 18, 2006 11:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't it refreshing...
To see a fanbase care about off the field issues?  

I'm not saying that SUC fans don't care about them but...well...actually, yes I am, considering all the whining and excuse making and finger pointing by SUC fans and other intellectual midgets like ManPundit.

While these incidents are unfortunate and disappointing, at least it goes to show what we've known all along and has become abundantly clear by now:  Our fanbase is better than theirs.

by scittles on May 19, 2006 1:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually they do...
Here's the diference. Most SC fans that I know are disgusted that all that has been won on the field recently is in serious jeopardy of being lost. They just aren't getting on soap boxes to denounce it.  Maybe they should.

The last time I checked we are all part of the human race and most of us walking around the planet do have standards of class and decency that weren't determined by the school we attended or the school we root for.

The idea that ALL SC fans have a thug attitude or or condone the type of issues that have hit both schools in rent weeks is just plain uninformed or poisoned by the rivalry. Are they as passionate as the fans here at BN? Some are most definitely. But that doesn't mean that when they see a wrong that they will turn the other cheek and not try to make it right.

You can't honestly believe that all SC fans are Draconian. I certainly don't think all Bruin fans are.

by SOCOM on May 22, 2006 3:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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