Bag of groceries worth $150 v. free rent worth $18,001 (Updated)

by Nestor on Aug 9, 2006 3:50 PM PDT in Football Comment 35 comments

UPDATE (8/9):NCAA just reinstated Dwayne Jarrett this afternoon. The total value of (free rent) benefit Jarrett received by living in the apartment was $18,001. Yet he is not going to miss a single game. So it may be a good time to call the NCAA at 317-917-6222, and ask them (politely) how can they explain way reinstating USC WR after determining he had received $18,001.00 in free rent when they previously suspended a UCLA All American LB (Donnie Edwards) for taking $150 worth of groceries (left at his doorstep)? A question everyone should ask the NCAA today.-N

So bruinwinna in the comment threads concerning Jarrett getting extra benefits in the form of thousands of dollars worth of free rent raised an excellent point:

If I remember correctly, Donnie Edwards received some groceries (I believe about $200 worth) and he was suspended for a game and had to make restitution. If Jarrett gets off with no suspension, the $C double standard would rear it's ugly head once again.

BW is correct (well, almost, it was $150 worth of groceries, not $200). Damn. I went to school during Donnie's time. Donnie was an amazing linebacker in college (unlike Spencer Havner he and his team-mates were actually beating up on USC and going to big bowl games). He was a great athlete on the field while a dilligent student off it. He came to class every day dilligently taking notes. He sure came to the poli. sci. classes I had with him during those days. Anyways, going back the BW's point. How could I have forgotten this crazy story involving former Bruin All American Donnie Edwards:

Former college athletes have told many stories about how difficult it was for them to make ends meet while in college.

One story that stands out the most, for me, is that of former UCLA standout linebacker Donnie Edwards, who currently plays for the San Diego Chargers.

While at UCLA, he was an All-American football player who was suspended for a game because he accepted a gift.

The gift wasn't a car with shiny rims on it, or an all expense paid trip out of town or any other perk that college athletes receive, which you may have heard of on the news.

The gift was a couple of bags filled with groceries waiting at the doorstep of his room. It may sound silly, but he was suspended for one game. The incident was even investigated by the NCAA.

The current NCAA rules and regulations read: "DO NOT provide a student-athlete or friend any benefit or special arrangement. The NCAA considers these as an 'extra benefit' and they are specifically prohibited."

So, the groceries that Edwards received from an anonymous source were ruled as an "extra benefit" and specifically prohibited. Thus, came the punishment.

Yeap, that's right. UCLA's All American LB was suspended for an entire game because he received groceries worth $150 left at his door steps. Meanwhile, Trojan fans (most of them) are peddling Cheetie Petey's line that Jarrett should not be missing a single game because the extra benefit he received from getting thousands of dollars in free rent by staying at a place like this was some kind of minor infraction:

Photo via the Medici

UCLA of course did the right thing and made sure all the rules were followed with regard to Donnie's infraction even though it was trivial. Donnie Edwards was suspended for one game for taking groceries, while Trojans are spinning that their superstar shouldn't be suspended for a single game even though he apparently got thousands of dollars of free rent. And you wonder why we think we are fundamentally different from those corrupt and immoral imbeciles from South Central? Again, if you haven't done so, make sure to call these numbers and point these officials to Petey's comments in the LA Times that Jarrett shouldn't be missing a single game:

NCAA 317-917-6222
Pac-10 925-932-4411

I am sure these guys are not going to be all that amused to hear from a coach with soiled track record on how to act on NCAA infractions.

And you may want to bring up this Donnie Edwards and find out from them whether the NCAA or Pac-10 will have different standards when it comes penalizing athletes from different Pac-10 schools from same town who have been found taking extra benefits under the NCAA rules.

Simple question really. If UCLA's All American was suspended 1 game for taking $150 worth of groceries (left at his doorstep), just how many games should Jarrett miss as he reportedly received $10,000 in free rent?

GO BRUINS.

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Wow...

Everyone knows that you're the biggest SC hater out there, Nestor, but now you're just acting like a whiny child. I'm sure the NCAA can handle its own investigation and response without the aid of a bunch of scorned bruins.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, F*** off, I suck, whatever...

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

uhh

If "NCAA can handtle its own investigation" WTF Pom Pom is doing making statements that DJ shouldn't be missing any game?

Do you actually have any argument countering what N wrote or are you here to do you bitching and whining?

by bluestreet on Jun 21, 2006 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not Just Nestor

I hate the TrOJan scumbags also.

Go whine and cry where someone actually cares about your opinion.

If you already know to "Fuck Off", then do it and quit bothering us.

by artybruin on Jun 21, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hold up

The guy that comes on here offering no evidence or logic refuting N's argument is calling someone else the whiny child? Take a look in the mirror, asshole.

Good job coming on here and proving his point about you jackasses all thinking that you're above the law. Show me where his hatred of the trOJans makes the thousands of dollars of free rent and the subsequent NCAA violation go away? What's that? It doesn't? Then shut the hell up, blowhard. You trOJans are just dumb as hell.

by scittles on Jun 21, 2006 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Will make this simple for you

you personally insult another Bruin here one more time, you will be gone.

And before comparing any one to Anne Coulter, point me to one instance where AC used facts. Looks like your political comparsions are all mixed up.

And in any of your comments you have not offered one fact to counter what I wrote is out of line.

My question remains if you were in NCAA's shoes based on the facts you have from the reports, would you even think about reinstating Jarrett without suspending him for any game?

If you can stick to facts and rational analysis than you are more than welcome to post, but if you resort to another personal attack you will be gone from BN.

by Nestor on Jun 21, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too bad...

I suppose there is no way to have a proper discussion on a hostile board. My comments are being deleted without merit. What else can I expect when I'm in the lion's den?

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deleted only a single post ...

in which you campared me to Ann Coulter. It was beyond uncalled for.

Again if you want to engage in a discussion that is reasonable, fact based, then go ahead.

But if you are going to start flailing away calling moderators name, then yeah ... uh ... those comments will be deleted.

If you can engage in a discussion on merits then fine. But asking that from a Trojan is too much.

by Nestor on Jun 21, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your comments have no merit in the first place

If you want proper discussion, bring some evidence or logic to refute the points made. I know trOJans are deficient and unqualified in the logic and evidence department (see the incompetant DA who "can't find evidence" against Sanchez), but at least make an effort to mask your trolling.

by scittles on Jun 21, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Listen up...

I NEVER said that you didn't have a valid point. My opinion on the matter is that DJ gasp SHOULD miss out on least one game and he MUST pay back the money. Why? Because he broke the rules! It's that simple. PC may see things differently because he knows more about the situation than any of us do. How? He has access to the people involved! The tone of your argument(s) and the cry for arms is what I disapprove of.

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your opinion

You express it after calling names in dozens of others comments.

And why should we believe Chetet Petey given the track record of all the numerous incidents of (alleged) violence and NCAA transgressions that have taken place under his watch?

by bluestreet on Jun 21, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't know.

Come now "dozens"? And I apologize for the Ann Coulter remark. NO ONE deserves that.

Look, there's nothing I can say that would convince you of Pete Carroll's character and ability. He's the enemy, right. He is responsible for rise of USC football as well as 66-19. I've met him several times on campus. He's a great guy. He works hard at his craft and has great passion and vision for it as well. I'm sure that's how you guys feel about Coach Wooden. My intent isn't to offend anyone with this next comment, so I apologize in advance if I do. Do you guys believe Coach Wooden knew nothing about the Sam Gilbert controversy? Maybe the benefit of the doubt is also in the eyes of the beholder.

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sam Gilbert nonsense

has been brought up before and we have thorougly debunked all the nonsense.

If you can dicuss the points on this specific post on merit, then it is all right, but if you are going to babble away without making any coherent point, and insulting Coach Wooden, then I'd recommend you STFU.

Otherwise you will be gone ... permanently.

by Nestor on Jun 21, 2006 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand how that's an insult

Its asking a simple question. Whether you "thoroughly debunked all the nonsense" or not, doesn't answer whether you think Wooden knew, and if you're trying to answer that question, you might want to provide a link to that debunking, or just give a simple "yes" or "no." (I would appreciate the link - Wooden was before my time, and I would like to know what actually happened).

As is, I don't know what the issue is, but your complete avoidance of it makes it sound as though you're hiding something. Summarily dismissing something doesn't make it go away. Its what you've been antagonizing us for this entire offseason.

Fight on!!! Beat the Razorbacks!!!

by USCLink on Aug 12, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take some notes

Allow me to dissect this for you.

If you believe that this blog has no right to demand a certain outcome of this violation, then certainly Cheetey Petey does not, as the coach of the violating program. So there's your argument blown to bits. Is it any wonder that we are vocal about someone gasp being held accountable for wrongdoings? After all the crap these thugs get away with? I (and I'm sure the rest of this blog) couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinions on the tone around here. When you're wrong, you're wrong. jarrett is wrong, and needs to pay the price, just like everybody else.

by scittles on Jun 21, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what?

Pete can say whatever the hell he wants. It doesn't mean squat if the NCAA decides differently.

Do you really think USC is that all-powerful? Do you really think we can bully and bribe our way out of everything (making the Bruin assumption that we do)? Do you also believe in the "magic bullet" theory in the JFK assassination?

Paranoia...

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Asshat

I don't think anyone believes USC is all that powerful. Any program that is so corrupt will never be powerful because it is based on a shaky foundation.

While Pom Pom is weak and cowardly that he did not have the balls to suspend a fresmen linebacker even though he punched out the brain of another student on campus.

Now you are really all that powerful. Just corrupt.

Later asshat.

by bluestreet on Jun 21, 2006 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Accountability

Now, now... there's no need for name calling.

Jeez, do all bruins act like children or is it just the haters on this blog?

I admit that I am probably seeing the situation through cardinal colored lens but I don't see how you can call our program corrupt simply because PC didn't suspend a freshmen linebacker. From what I remember about that story, there were circumstances that PC felt were relevant to him not being suspended. I think his father had recently passed and PC took that into consideration.

Look, I don't want a blind eye turned towards our current or former athletes (I wish OJ would be rotting away in a cell right now.) That's not my point at all. I do want, no demand, accountability for wrong-doings. I just find it unnerving that Nestor feels the need to try and take matters into his own hand and try to sway the NCAA and Pac-10 one way or another. It's none of your business! Get a life... Oh, and please don't post that ridiculous Trojan Al post. No one takes that clown seriously. He's a joke and an embarrassment to the Trojan Family.

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Those lenses must be blinders

There have been multiple posts on here, listing in detail the culture of corruption that surrounds the trOJan thug program. It's not my job to dig it up for you, so go look for yourself, but I'm sure you already know about these things and are choosing to ignore them.

by scittles on Jun 21, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No need for name calling?

and in your very first line you berate N as a "whiny child." Surprised your comments weren't deleted.

Then again it is too easy to logically refute all the BS you have you put up.

Looks like Trojan Al is not the only "clown" making excuses for Pom Pom's lawless goons.

by bluestreet on Jun 21, 2006 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said "acting like"

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Point is...

There is a long history of infractions, bad choices and (alleged) thuggery, Yet there has been little to no action taken against the players or the school. This is what Nestor is speaking to when he suggests calling the NCAA and the PAC-10. We are tired of seeing SC players get away with murder. (yes that's an OJ joke) There needs to be consequences, and they need to go both ways. There can't be a different set of rules just because the DA is a Trojan. Is it OK that a trojan beat up his wife during football season and no disciplinary action was taken by Pete? We are fed up with appologists letting SC run rough-shod over the rules. That's all.

by isodore on Jun 21, 2006 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay fine...

No, it's not ok for that kind of crap to happen. Don't think for one second that there aren't Trojans who are mortified and feel disappointed with some of the actions of our players. This off-season was flat out embarrassing! But don't kid yourselves.... Nestor isn't on a holy mission to bring peace and order to college sports. He has nothing but contempt for USC (I read this blog all the time) and will do anything to see us fail.

by Trojan1880 on Jun 21, 2006 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a Bruin fan board, what did you expect?

We have no love for USC. Wow a startling fact. We also dislike the fact that nothing has been done about those charges. Not even a token gesture from Pete. Those are not the actions of a clean program. Note that we are not talking about forfeture of the UCLA/USC game or suspension for next season's game. We are asking for the system to dispense justice fairly and equally. Notice Nestor is also mad at Karl Dorrell for not suspending Hale and ??? Dammit I can never remember the other one. That is NOT a double standard. He is not trying to bring down SC football. He wants to see, I'm Assuming here N ;), us beat the crap out of SC on the field with SC playing their best. No astrixes or petty squables about refs or any of that. Just good clean play. But it has to be under the same set of rules.

by isodore on Jun 21, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I LOVE IT!

The games can't start soon enough! Lets get it on! GO BRUINS!!!!

by bruinelder on Aug 9, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Forget the dispute with a Trojan fan...

HOW THE F*&@ does Dwayne Jarrett get away with having thousands of dollars of rent subsidized for him by someone OTHER than his family under NCAA rules???

NCAA is a joke.

MIM

by Meriones on Aug 9, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The NCAA cares about your future.....

I have to side with the NCAA on this one gentlemen. Dwayne Jarrett attends a school where educational standards are well........ low. To be very blunt I think we can all assume that Mr. Jarrett will not be able to rely on his education at USC. Therefore he must succeed as an athlete. His chosen sport of course is football. Without football he might be driving around with guns and open liquor containers. Even worse he could stab a few people and be forced to flee to Florida. Don't make his life any more difficult. Just let him play.

by bruinelder on Aug 9, 2006 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Does this mean that ANY current player's parent...

... can subsidize the rent of their child's teammate's (one that is a couple of years behind them in school) with NO THREAT OF LOST GAMES, provided that the younger teammate agrees to pay back the rent to charity???

If that's the case, what's to keep the parents of current players from trying to recruit new hotshot freshmen that will likely make the pros (and therefore can afford to pay back rent) by offering to cover their room and board?

WTH is this all about?

MIM

by Meriones on Aug 9, 2006 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The biggest problem with the NCAA...

...is that there is zero equity of enforcement.

by Nico on Aug 9, 2006 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Apparently the players don't know

it's not ok to receive $18,000 of free rent.

So it's not ok to recieve food, but it is ok to get $18,000 of free rent.

by True Blue and Gold on Aug 9, 2006 11:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

18,001!!!!

Bomar gets booted for 18 grand. Dwayne Jarret, the smallest of 8 scandals coming out of U$C this offseason, takes 18,001 buckeroos. And gets NO punishment?

Something stinks in Denmark here.

Call the NCAA I will.

http://lsuoverusc.blogspot.com

by LSUoverUSC on Aug 10, 2006 1:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Jarrett's Rent money

The NCAA decreed he needs to pay it back, and he will miss no games.

Is it just me trying to understand the logic of this payback and having my head spin??

If he couldn't afford to pay it through the year, how is going to come up with the money to pay for it now. He should be required to account for where this new found wealth is coming from. He should also not be allowed to practice or be in games until it is paid in full.

by artybruin on Aug 10, 2006 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The NCAA isn't coing to make him return the value

of the extra benefit - $18,000. Only the part of his housing stipend ($960 per month) that he didn't spend ($650/month). So he's got to come up with $340 per month for each of the 13 months Leinart's dad was paying his rent. (plus utilities) That's why he owes $5,500 not $18,000. And he can make payments on it, it's not all due at once. Amazing.

by McCloskey on Aug 10, 2006 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not get carried away--

I find the moralism a little over the top. Trying to find reasonably priced accomodations for kid in LA (whether it's in Westwood or around SC) is impossibly expensive.

I can perfectly understand that Leinert mother was concerned that she wanted her son to live in place that was reasonably safe--something that's not so easy to do on a student's budget around SC, and Leinert's father stepped up to underwrite the situation. It's entirely sensible, and I did the same thing for my kid when his roommate could not pay the full tariff for housing.

It seems to me that the NCAA lives in a completely different world. In Oklahomo or Nebraska, I'm sure that $1,350 a month, 2-bedroom apartment is fairly easy to find. In LA, it's fairly difficult.

I am sure that most of the kids at UCLA and SC have a difficult time trying to make it on a limited budget. It's pretty hard in my view to characterize Leinert's father or Jarrett as cheaters under the circumstances.

Why not cut them some slack on this one?

by uclagradscdad on Aug 10, 2006 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Cut them some slack?

what has SC done so that we will cut them some slack?

Exactly what does Leinart's parent do so that he can afford to shell out thousands of $ paying for a rent for his son and his team-mates. That's a question no one is asking.

Where did Leinart's Dad get that $ from to put up two kids for free rent.

Most kids at UCLA have a hard time finding apartments in affordable budget. But they manage. So do kids at USC.

Why should Jarrett get extra benefits just because he is a football player?

Again what doest Mr. Leinart do for a living? I'd like to know how he can afford to pay thousands of $ of free rent not just for his son but also another team-mate?

by bluestreet on Aug 10, 2006 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

More Specific

I did understand it the way you explained it, I should have been more specific. My point is that he didn't have the money then, where is he getting it now.

Possibilities:
Borrow the money from his agent
or
Borrow from Leinert's Dad (it worked once for him).

GO BRUINS!!!

by artybruin on Aug 10, 2006 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs