Expanding the Pac-10 with CU+1?
Although this is the first time we are bringing up the topic on BN, I have a feeling this is not the last time we are going to take up this issue. Wizard had an interesting post this past week riffing on a Kansas City Star column pondering the expansion of Pac-10 through the addition of Colorado Buffaloes with another team:

Photo: Jenna Isaacson (Columbia Daily Tribune)
Honestly, I am some what ambivalent about the idea of expanding the Pac-10. I like it the way it is right now. I am not sure why the Pac-10 should bother with whoring itself out like other power conferences (except the Big-10), expanding so that it could have a championship game? To me the reason why Pac-10 is so special is because we have those end of the year natural rivalries between USC-UCLA, Cal-Stanford, ASU-UA, OSU-UO, and UDub-WSU. There is something magical about the last regular season game for every Pac-10 team (sans SC which sometimes has ND as the last game) that gets so fired up for the inter-state, inter-region (Cal-Stanford), or in our case the inter-city games. That's what makes the conference fun. I honestly wish the Rose Bowl dumped it's alliance with the BCS nonsense, and went back to the old arrangement of Big-10, Pac-10 showdowns. Now that won't happen (topic for another day perhaps).
Anyways if the Pac-10 were to expand I think the most logical way to expand it would be to add two prominent schools from another Western State with high profile college football culture, so that the conference can be symmetrical in it's regional divide, and maintain it's end of the season rivalries. And since in the aforementioned post it specifically talks about Colorado joining the conference, I'd think Colorado State would be the other logical choice. CU-CSU's fierce and intense natural rivalry would reach a whole new dimension under the glare of the Pac-10. Here is the game winning FG from the '05 game, as seen from the CU student section:
Man, that reminds of our student section when Nikosi Littleton batted down a Rob Johnson pass in the end zone to seal the win 1992. Bedlam at the Rose Bowl. Let's hope the UCLA student section gets to experience that in December of this year.
Going back to CU-CSU and Pac-10 expansion, the addition of those two teams would also add Denver as another huge Metropolis TV market in the conference in addition to Seattle, Bay Area, LA, and Phoenix.
I am not sure adding Utah schools makes any sense to me. Add Utah schools to the conference so we can look forward to rocking good time roadies to Salt Lake City and Provo? I don't think so. Utah's TV market doesn't seem all that big of a deal considering the low population density in that state. I am not really all that excited about having Air Force in our conference. As for San Diego State and Fresno State, adding those schools to the Pac-10 makes as much as sense as adding Toledo, Cincinnati and Miami (OH) to the Big-10. Entries to power conferences is not an entitlement. There has to be a high threshold when it comes to having a track record of committment to excellence in research in these higher education institutions. I think there has to be some discernable indicator that insitutions for higher education are committed to academic/research excellence before angling for an entry to a big time power conference. Fresno State and San Diego States of the world just don't pass the mustard. They are good options for folks who live around their surrounding communities and do not have the grades to go to a high profile school, but they are simply not the same caliber institution as a Stanford, Cal, UCLA, Washington or the other preeminent state school in the Pac-10.
Anyways, I am interested in hearing thoughts from Bruin fans and other Pac-10 fans on this issue. What do you guys think? If Colorado were to join our conference, which other team would make sense?
Note to our friends from Block U. Please don't try to game this poll by posting the link on Utah message boards (like you guys did to influence a poll on DawgSports). In terms of polling we are interested in the opinions of Bruin fans and fans from other Pac-10 schools only (you are more then welcome to discuss in comment thread why Utah would be the natural partner of Colorado). So if anyone wants to publicize this online poll, post it on Pac-10 boards, not on the mid-majors salivating to get into our power conference.
As mentioned above, this is probably not the last time we are going to be discussing this topic on BN. But might as well get the conversation started during the dog days of off-season.
GO BRUINS
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Hmmm.
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For me to Poop on!
by True Blue and Gold on Jul 2, 2006 10:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Regardless...
by ryebreadraz on Jul 2, 2006 10:55 PM PDT 0 recs
uh huh
by ranelar on
Jul 3, 2006 12:43 AM PDT
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It was on...
by ryebreadraz on
Jul 4, 2006 12:28 AM PDT
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I dont like 12 team conferences
by ucla21 on Jul 2, 2006 11:15 PM PDT 0 recs
Don't look at me...
SDSU
Cal Poly SLO if they could boost up their shit.
Worst comes to worst, I'd take CU and SDSU, I guess.
by HomeBruin on Jul 3, 2006 12:30 AM PDT 0 recs
San Diego St Doesn't Qualify For Pac10 Membership
by UCLAW on
Jul 3, 2006 8:43 AM PDT
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Agreed
This goes for Fresno State as well.
May be someday UCSD and UCDavis will have legit D-1 programs. But I don't see it happening.
CU has decent graduate programs and research endowmnets. So they make sense.
CSU is the other prominent state school which is growing at an incredible rate. So this combo. may make sense.
That said I am fine with Pac-10 staying within 10 schools and keeping the tradition intact.
by Nestor on
Jul 3, 2006 8:47 AM PDT
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I understand what you're saying
by HomeBruin on
Jul 3, 2006 10:35 AM PDT
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I'm getting a conflicting stance here.
Expanding with two Colorado schools does not make sense because the benefits aren't there. You'll already tap into the Colorado market by expanding to Colorado, so why bring CSU? Instead, take Utah. The Utes not only bring a solid research institution, but a good football team and probably the best basketball team outside of Arizona and UCLA in the western part of the United States. That and I'm sure Oregon, USC and other Pac 10 schools that recruit Utah poly players would love it. Plus there's a natural rivalry with Utah/CU (both were members of the old Skyline Conference, played every year from 1919-1962); Arizona and Arizona State (Utah, ASU and UA were charter members of the WAC). Plus Utah is one of the fastest growing states in the nation, with 70% of its population living within 40 miles of Salt Lake City.
IF, and that's a big if, the P-10 would ever accept CU, Utah would be the most logical choice to up the conference to 12 teams. They have the prestige, academics and location that warrants a strong look. Something Colorado State, Fresno State, UNLV, New Mexico and SDSU do not have.
by JazzyUte on
Jul 3, 2006 3:36 PM PDT
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A real rivalry
As for academics, according to US News, Utah and CSU are tied at 120th nationally (with UCLA 25, and Colorado 78). So, seems like same, same to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think Utah is in the top 3 if the Pac 10 ever expands. But I'm just not feeling it.
by Menelaus on
Jul 3, 2006 5:38 PM PDT
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All valid points.
Also, when it comes to facilities, CSU can't compare to the University of Utah. CSU doesn't even have an indoor practice facility, their basketball arena seats something like 8,000 (and they normally only average half that) and their football stadium seats 30,000. Compare that to Utah's Rice-Eccles Stadium which seats 46,000 with plans to expand it to 55,000-60,000. The Huntsman Center (basketball) which seats 15,000 and their recently built IPF and you'll see when it comes to facilities, Utah dominates.
I just don't see why expanding to two Colorado teams is more logical than expanding to Utah & Colorado (and Utah is becoming a nice recruiting pool for Pac Ten teams). Especially when you consider that CU already has a monopoly on Denver and CSU plays in small Fort Collins. With Utah & Colorado, you'd be getting the Denver and Salt Lake TV markets. With CU and CSU, you'd only be getting the Denver market, with another cellar dweller team.
by JazzyUte on
Jul 3, 2006 6:30 PM PDT
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Good points as well
I also tend to agree that Utah has its advantages (a good hoops program among them), and CSU has its shortcomings. But, the rivalry is a fairly big point in my mind, mostly because I think it is what really makes the Pac 10 fun and unique. Of course, if the Pac 10 expands to 12, there would likely be a conference tourney, and thus those year end rivalry games may go away anyway.
In the end, I probably vote for no expansion. Unless Texas suddenly becomes available that is.
by Menelaus on
Jul 3, 2006 6:58 PM PDT
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I like the idea ...
By the way ... did you guys see CFR? Commenting on this post he calls USC a near academic powerhouse. This is the same asshat who thinks Peter Carroll is a physical genius.
People wonder why we don't take this kid's opinion seriously anymore. He has his mouth wrapped around Pom Pom's ...
by bluestreet on Jul 3, 2006 7:40 AM PDT 0 recs
Not a big deal.
Back on topic, I would rather not see any new teams brought into the Pac 10. If any are added, I hope they are Colorado and CSU, since those two teams have a natural rivalry with one another.
by Bruin Roar on
Jul 3, 2006 9:01 AM PDT
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he is still a moron
by bluestreet on
Jul 3, 2006 9:43 AM PDT
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Ummm...
by True Blue and Gold on Jul 3, 2006 4:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Tough call
The best two teams would be Colorado and Utah. Colo has a nice rivalry with CSU but that has only been big the last 10 years. CSU is in a nowhere town and not known for much. Utah has a nice rivalry with BYU - but who wants a religious school in the Pac. Utah has good genetics, med school, and an okay law school. I lived in San Diego for a while and SDSU is not far removed from a community college.
Utah and Colorado would develop a nice rivalry. I know that I haven't liked Utah lately as they beat us in football.
US news and world report - Rankings: (on a side note: who decided that they are the experts on all university/college rankings?)
Stanford 5
UC - Berkeley 20
UCLA 25
USC 30
Washington 45
*BYU 71
*Colorado 78
Arizona 97
Oregon 115
*Utah 120
*Colorado St 120
Washington St 120
Oregon State - not ranked
Arizona State - not ranked
by azblue on Jul 4, 2006 8:08 PM PDT 0 recs
rankings
by elliptic on Jul 5, 2006 3:24 PM PDT 0 recs
UC Davis
by digd on Aug 4, 2006 11:55 PM PDT 0 recs
















