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There'll Always Be Next Year

So it is happening already. Read enough posts popping up on Bruin message boards and you will get that sense of certain Bruin fans (well more like Karl Dorrell loyalists) are lowering the expectations for this upcoming season.

The general argument of a number of die hard Dorrelly loyalists is basically that UCLA had a wonderful 10-2 season last year. Never mind that we got destroyed, humiliated, thumped by USC, and never mind that we choked in the biggest games that actually mattered, it was a tremendously gratifying season. Coach Karl should be off the hook this season because he won 10 games last season. Yes, apparently during his 4th season in Westwood, we should not expect Dorrell to win more than 7/8 games this season, and certainly not expect him to end the streak against USC.

Here is a recent post from Bruin Zone on a so called "consensus" among Bruin fans posting in the message boards:

I think the consensus is "next year." 2007 is supposed to be our high-water mark. Yeah, SC should be a little down, but everyone is saying the same thing about us. And if you noticed, Most Polls have SC #1 in the PAC 10 regardless of their difficulties.
To be fair that particular poster went on to write that he himself expected us to beat SC this season. However, he was clearly referring to the recent chatter among certain Bruin faithful who are lowering the expectations for this upcoming season by pointing to next year. Antipimp referred to that "consensus" about next year here in a comment thread:
[O]utside of this website there seems to be a consensus that by 2007 Dorrell will have built a better team than we've seen in Westwood in a long time.
Again, to be fair, Antipimp did mention in his other posts that he is not giving up on this year, but he does make references to hordes of Bruin fans who are giving up even before the first kickoff of this upcoming season. These are the same cheese eating surrender monkeys who celebrated a loss against USC as some sort of ?turning the corner? two years ago, only to be whip lashed back to reality by the drubbing last December.

Of course all of this nonsense. Here on BN we have been beating the drums of minimum expectations of 9 wins and victory over USC. The same surrender monkeys who don?t expect UCLA to beat SC (at our house) this season will no doubt make the pre-season excuses for Dorrell next year by saying that it will be too difficult for UCLA to beat SC next year because the game is at the Coliseum. The following year it will be something like Olson turning pro. In other words, the excuses will never end. These guys will always want to sing about next year.

So, why in the world are some of these Dorrell backers busting out the "next year" tune, sounding like Chicago Cubs fans even before the season has started?

Let's again take a look at the schedule of games we have lined up for the season.

You'd think every Bruin fan should expect our team to win football games in which are favored.  And, we are going to get to play some awful football teams because of the number of doormat teams we have in our conference. Half of our schedule is made up of gimme games against Arizona, Wazzu, Oregon State, and Stanford at home, and Washington on the road. Those are 5 wins right there. Given the talent UCLA has on its roster, which despite Dorrell's lackluster recruiting in his first three years, is still the third-best in the Pac-10, there is absolutely no excuse for this team not to go 5-0 against those chump programs in the Pac-10. And if you tack on that joke game against Rice, that is 6-0 right there. And, given that a team like UCLA should never lose a game in its home opener against a team from the MWC, you can easily see how this team should be capable of winning 7 games in its schedule.

That gives Dorrell three games (Cal, ASU, and Oregon) to pick up at least one win (I will not even impose the expectations of asking us to win the game at ND), and put this team in the position to go into it's last game of the season with 8 wins, a fired up Bruin crowd, hungry to end the 7 game streak against a team which will most likely not be the invincible (juiced up?) team we played last season.

It is really amazing to see how so many Dorrell backers are ratcheting down expectations for this upcoming season by basically saying we should be happy with a 7 win season. Why should these so called Bruin fans be so intimidated by a program like ASU and Oregon?  What have they really done last two years?

We were good enough to beat Oregon (basically without MJD) two years ago and we have been good enough to beat the Ducks even during those mediocre Toledo and Donahue years when we were expected to have so called "rebuilding seasons." We handled ASU last year. And if not for Larry "You Are Killing Me" Kerr's shitty bend-don't-break defense we were on our way to beating the Sun Devils in Tempe two years ago. Given the talent we have in our defense, there is just no reason we should go into these games intimidated even with a new QB.

It is just absolutely ridiculous to hear some of these Dorrell apologists waving the white flag in August of 2006, already bringing up the "next year" mantra even before the current one has been underway.

I mean look at the Cubs fans. Even these guys usually don't start singing their unofficial anthem before the start of new season:



What does it tell you about these so-called UCLA fans who are trying to lower expectations to take off some of the pressure on Karl Dorrell? It gives you the unmistakable impression that deep down they don't really believe last year's 10 win season was a leap towards the right direction. They don't really believe this team is making progress.

Otherwise, after three years of Dorrell they wouldn't waiving the white flag even before the first weekend of 2006, and start thinking about 2007.

Well, this lowering of expectations will not work. Given the schedule we have this season, if we don't meet the minimum expectations given the schedule of this season, no matter how much spinning Dorrell backers will do, they won't be able to hide the fact that this program is going nowhere, just like the ones of Lavin and Toledo.

This is it. This will be another watershed year where we are going to find out whether Dorrell can coach? After three years it is pretty clear he still doesn't have the answer.

And we are getting sick of the same ole song we have been hearing for last seven seasons.

It is time to put up or shut up.

GO BRUINS.

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This is why I like this site!
  There isn't any compromise with regard to expectations here.  We may disagree about the level of harshness dealt to our Coach KD, but we expect alot from the program and I for one am glad that we refuse to concede the season.

   I for one am getting excited about the potential this team has.  If they can get it together against the lower teams we face in the early season, we could see something special in November and December.  We of course will have to see it to believe it, but the offense should be par with last year and the defense can't get much worse than last year.  I can easily see this team shocking us all and going better than the minimum 8+SC.  It will all depend on what they've learned, coaches and players alike.  

   Even more important to me than the win/loss record is how they play.  They need to be ready and compete, not roll over for 3 or more quarters.

by isodore on Aug 16, 2006 2:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tired of the shame
I went through UCLA without ever losing to USC.

And we haven't won since I graduated.

So, despite being quoted to the contrary (which regarded whether or not Dorrell needs to be fired, not what my expectations are for this season), I agree with just about everything you say here.

"It is time to put up or shut up."

If 2006 falls apart somehow - and I don't think it will - and 2007 is also a letdown, Karl Dorrell will be officially and completely out of excuses, as he'll be working entirely with his own recruits after four full recruiting seasons by then.  And all the comparisons to Steve Lavin will be fully deserved by then.

by antipimp on Aug 16, 2006 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That settles it...
This is all your fault.
Go Bruins...F@#$% SC... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Aug 16, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...
Staying in school for five football seasons (including 3 quarters out of school, but never missing a football season) was the best I could do...

by antipimp on Aug 16, 2006 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No more excuses
I am officially a convert to the mantra of the Nation. We have a tough schedule this season, and I could see us going 6-6 or 7-5 if breaks go the wrong way. I do think we'll be better next year (and the schedule will be easier, too). But that won't make right a mediocre in 2006 record. There is no excuse--never will be one--for a UCLA team having a 6-6 or 7-5 record (god forbid we have repeats of 1999, 1994, 1990 or 1989 when we had a losing record).

The fact that preseason publications show us no respect is Karl Dorrell's problem to solve (one of them anyway). Seeing the si.com ranking of the 119 teams makes me want to vomit: TCU, Utah, Iowa State!, Texas A&M, Northern F'in Illinois! and other programs are ahead of us, who pull in at #45! We are clearly viewed as a joke to the rest of the country. Let's give them a new punch line, Karl.

I have no doubt (well maybe just a little) that most or all of those teams will fall below us after a few games. But I NEVER again want to see the four letters "UCLA" besmirched by being behind loser schools. I repeat: Northern Illinois!!??!?! Hell, we'd only be 3rd in the State of Utah if these rankings are correct.

Fortunately for us, preseason rankings are a load of crap. Dorrell and the entire team and university cannot accept them as a starting point for our expectations. Neither should we. I agree with those who say we can and should expect to be better next year (we lose no one, will have an experienced QB and play an easier schedule), but we must expect to do great things every year.

8-4 might not make me vomit, but it will disappoint me. 9-3 may not disappoint me, but I won't be pounding my chest like I've won anything special. 10-2 will keep my interest and have me feeling good, especially if the 2 are close and 1 of the 10 is against USC (and then we'd have the expectations where they should be next preseason--in the top 5 or 10). 11-1 will make me proud (think Earl Watson showing the letters). 12-0 will send me through the roof with excitement.

Thrill me, UCLA football! THIS YEAR.

by BruinsRule on Aug 16, 2006 3:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curious Tone
While I was excited to find a website so focused on the UCLA teams I have rooted for all my life, I find some of Nestor's comments unnecessarily harsh.  Referring to Bruin fans whose expectations for this year's football team don't match his as "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is in remarkably bad taste (as is calling our new, untested QB "Southpaw Jesus").

We all know that going 10-2 last year was the product of several miracles, not just one.  After all, how many times can a team come back from the brink of disaster?  Since we lost three terrific offensive stars (DO, MD, and ML), have a QB who hasn't started a game at any level for years, and have so many holes to fill on defense, is it realistic to expect 9-3 and a win over SC?  Or is this a dump-Dorrell setup?

No doubt Nestor will have plenty to say in response.

MacBruin

by MacBruin on Aug 16, 2006 3:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey
I like the name Soutpaw Jesus.  Goodness gracious, it's all in good fun.
Go Bruins...F@#$% SC... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Aug 16, 2006 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

06 Season
Totally agree with everyting Nestor said in this post.
The first five games of the season (UTAH, RICE, WASH, STAN and ARIZONA) are all easy victories where we should be totally heads and shoulders above our opponent. And, by the way I expect us to totally take out ARIZONA and give'em some payback for last year's asswhooping in Tucson. However, the schedule gets a bit dodgy after that with two games away in Oregon and South Bend and then coming home for what should be a blowout over WSU. After that head the Bruins head to Strawberry Canyon for what should be a tough game against CAL. However, I don't think it is unreasonable for Dorrel to pull off 2 victories in this 4 game stretch (presumably against WSU and OREGON) before heading home for another easy victory over Matt Moore and the BEAVERS. And then our last away game of the season brings us to TEMPE to face off against the high powered offense of ASU. This game is up in the air for me and I do not know what to expect but I do think that by this time in the season the team SHOULD be vastly improved from where they were at the beginning of the season (something that has been lacking in the Dorrel era as we split the last 4 games of the 05 season). A good coach improves his team over the season, he does not digress into being blown out by a nobody and your arch rival! (For example by the end of the 05-06 Basketball Season the BRUINS were unstoppable, Thanks Coach Howland). So, in my opinion the ASU game should be a victory, whether or not Dorrel will deliver (doubtful) is a different story. And,finally the last game of the season brings us  back to the Rose Bowl to face the cheating bastards from SC. If Dorrel cannot fire up his players enough to beat those assholes across town after getting pounded 7 years straight then he is not the kind've coach I want at our program.

9 wins and Beat SC + a BOWL WIN is definately reasonable. This is Dorrel's 4th year as our head coach and his damn foundation should be set by now. The UCLA Football program has been mired in mediocrity for too long (I don't care what anyone says a 10 win season that includes 2 beatdowns from a crappy ARIZONA team and our arch rivals + a SUN BOWL Victory is mediocre). It's time for Mr. Dorrel to live up to his word and make UCLA the elite program it once was. He's had 4 years to make this a successful program, and despite the fact that he is doing a decent recruiting job, I still do not see the results on the field.

If Dorrel can meet the expectations for this year (9 wins and Beat SC and a Bowl win) I will be more than happy to keep him as our head coach.  

P.S. All those people who hope for a big 2007 season with total disregard for the 06 season are complete morons. If you look at the depth chart for the 06 squad we should have a better team than last year. Sure we lost MJD, ML and DO but the only one of those players was irreplaceable: ML. And we hardly utilized him enough in the first place. At RB we have more of a pure back in CM and KB and we have two potentially lethal punt/kick returners in incoming freshman Jeremy McGee and Terrence Austin not to mention Rodney Van who is lights out fast. At QB we have SOUTHPAW JESUS finally taking the reins, a major step up from the inconsistent Drew Olson. And then there's the defense which cannot possibly be any worse than last year. And it is due to this we should not expect a regression from last year, we should see improvement. Good programs have 10 win seasons year in and year out, not once every 7 years.  

by BruinGeek88 on Aug 16, 2006 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pure poetry
Everything in this write-up is spot on.  2003 and 2004 were embarrassing years to be a Bruin fan. After getting a taste of success last year I dont want to go back to mediocrity.  I especially liked this gem -

"It is really amazing to see how so many Dorrell backers are ratcheting down expectations for this upcoming season by basically saying we should be happy with a 7 win season. Why should these so called Bruin fans be so intimidated by a program like ASU and Oregon?  What have they really done last two years?"

EXACTLY.  Seriously, WTF have those teams done?  Oregon was an embarrassment to the conference for being so highly ranked and then getting beat by OU, a team we had no problems with.  ASU?  Oooh, you throw the ball alot.  Have they won a big game in this conference since 1996?  If they have then I don't remember it.  So those games are on the road.  Big deal.  This is my favorite football quote ever - Brian Billick after a road playoff game during the Ravens 2001 Super Bowl run -

"When you go into the lion's den," said Billick, "you don't tippy toe. You carry a spear, go in screaming and saying, 'Where's that son of a bitch?' This is football, not diplomacy."

I'm not confident that Dorrell can inspire that sort of rage in our players, but maybe one of the players, or Bullough or Walker can inspire them for him.

Oh and I just have to laugh at all the hype out of  Berkeley these days - hype that they wont be able to live up to, especially after they get tooled by Tennesssee.  At least when we played Tennessee, they had Peyton Manning and were actually a good team.  FUCK Cal.  Their sham 10-2 season was as much of a joke as Oregon's was, and the subsequent crying about the BCS followed by the predictable loss to Texas Tech just made me want to vomit.

Oh, and about that syndicate of rapists over at Figureoa Tech, its gotta become a pride thing for us.  If they beat us one more time that makes 8 straight, which means our glorious run in the 90's is matched by those cheating jerkoffs and rendered completely meaningless.  Apparently, Booty looks like shit, Brandon Smallcock I mean Hancock just tore his ACL (yea right) and Carroll isn't happy with the way the offense is going.  Why not the take advantage of the opportunity this season?  If not this year, when?  

by ucla21 on Aug 16, 2006 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen
No surrender here.

I would also like to add as our mantra for December 2, "We just have to beat those f--ckers."  I will admit that it's not an original thought.  It was said by one of my sorority sisters during Beat SC week 1998.

by bruinbabe2000 on Aug 16, 2006 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To those saying '07 is THE year
No team vaults into prominence in one year.  If there is going to be a BCS contending squad on the field two years from now, then there damn well better be a solid foundation coming out of this season, and 7 wins is not a solid foundation by ANYONE's standards.  7 wins will make me gag.  Seriously.

by scittles on Aug 16, 2006 4:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

9 wins and beat SC!
Anything less will be a dissapointment.

by bruinelder on Aug 16, 2006 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

8 wins .. not so sure
Sure I think its possible, but not probable.  I think you may underestimate Arizona and Utah, even though we play them at home. Being realistic - Im not just a Dorrell basher - I think 6-6, 7-5 best case scenario, 3-8 worst case.  Losses to Cal, Oregon, ASU, AZ, ND, and SuC.  At best we beat AZ at home due to the spanking we got last year, but its no gimme. Possible additional losses to Stanford and Utah.  
"To the mediocre, mediocrity appears great"

by DumpDorrell on Aug 16, 2006 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Turn It Around, Nestor
It's the focus on 9 wins this year that reflects reduced expectations.  Saying we can squeak out enough wins over weak teams to get there does not satisfy me, any more than anyone here was satisfied with 10 narrow wins over weak opponents last year.

The goal for this program should not be 9 wins, it should be Pac-10 championships and 11- or 12-win seasons.  That is not realistic for this year, but it is for next year.  So the test for KD's program is whether he can get us where we should be by 2007.  (Incidentally, the idea that you can't jump into championship contention after a mediocre season is nonsense.  More often than not, one of the top contenders nationally had at least five losses the year before.  Last year it was Penn St., the year before Auburn, and the year before that LSU.)

Setting a minimum-wins expectation for 2006 is counterproductive to the goal of contending for a championship for 2007.  An example: let's say KD believes Cowan has a better handle on the offense going into the Utah game.  If he thinks he has to win X games this year to save his job, then he starts Cowan to try to improve our chances of winning that game.  But if his primary goal is to be a championship contender by 2007, then he starts Olson, because that's the guy who can get us there.  I'd rather he followed the second approach.

by vanaaron on Aug 17, 2006 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pick a year please
What is with this obsession with two years from now?  There's a season about to start in a couple weeks, and 9 wins seems like a very reasonable minimum expectation given the schedule.  Making judgements on win totals or title contention in subsequent years are inevitably going to have to take this coming year into account, so it doesn't make much sense to set reasonable expectations with incomplete information.

We can talk about how we SHOULD have 11 and 12 win seasons, but if we fall flat on our asses this year with 7 wins, demanding a championship the year after just looks ridiculous.  Keep the focus, we need to win NOW so that we can win LATER.

by scittles on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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