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Has Anything Really Changed?

Another epic post from UCLA alum Bruin Blue. Use the tools below to share this post with every Bruin student, alum, fans you know, who still has any passion left for following our football program. Help us get the word out on reality of Bruin footballl. - N

I am seeing a number of rather strong previous Dorrell supporters, a few of whom had previously called me an idiot for criticizing Dorrell, turn almost 180 degrees after the Washington game. And that surprises me, because I had expected the normal rationalizations and soft-pedaling which we have seen over the years. And it is to the credit of those who are willing to take another look at just where our program is, versus where it should be.

However, I have watched this for many years, and I cannot be very optimistic of anything significant happening. The fateful step in UCLA football history was when Dick Vermeil suddenly left us in February, 1976; and J.D. Morgan, feeling rushed because he wanted to save recruiting (always a terrible idea to sacrifice a full-scale coaching search for one recruiting year), hired 32-year-old Terry Donahue, because he was on staff and easy to get. There's no sense in recounting the 20-year Donahue saga; but to me, at least, it was a dreary period of underachievement, minimal risk-taking and lots of excuses. Of course, we did win seven games a year, because we had more talent than most teams. Then, don't forget, Donahue ran Neuheisel off because he didn't like the whispers of those that wanted Rick to step in for Terry; and he hired Toledo. So Donahue essentially gave us Toledo; and then, seven years later, he pushed for Dorrell, as did a cadre of his ex-players active in the alumni association. So in essence, we have incredibly now had 31 years of the Donahue regime and legacy, so that so many people can't even remember what well-coached, smart, aggressive UCLA teams look like, and how to hire a coach who can produce them.

I've written about low expectations and overly sanguine fans, who are a major part of the problem here. That, combined with the fact that we still out-talent at least seven of our opponents every year, makes it almost impossible for us to have the kind of meltdown which would make a major change imperative. And so the years go on. We are certainly not as bad as the second half at Washington, just as we are not as good as the Utah game. We are somewhere in the middle, and we will win our share. After all, we have Stanford and Arizona and WSU at home, and we'll beat them all. Then, if Olsen improves some, and we get some decent breaks, we can still win seven or eight games. We might even beat USC, which is looking very human, although the odds are against it. The lowering of expectations which has just occurred will actually work in Dorrell's favor. If we win our seven, most Bruin fans will be a bit disappointed, but looking forward to next year. In 2007, with a more favorable conference schedule, in that our tough foes come here, we can win those nine games. Then, Olsen will probably leave, and we will regress to seven; then maybe eight; and so on and so on. Remember, I saw 20 years of this under Donahue, and why should we expect that the UCLA administration or the supportive alumni are suddenly going to decide that this isn't enough?

When Dan Guerrero was hired, he immediately fired Toledo; and said that he did so because he wanted to "Win Pac-10 championships and go to BCS Bowls." Well, we haven't done that yet; and we won't this year, either. But one day we will, for at least a year; because we give our coaches years and years to accomplish something; and then, when they have a good season, that buys them another four or five years. 2-10 would get rid of them, but we are too talented for that ever to happen. So unless and until there is a major groundswell which forces the AD to understand that 7-5 and even 8-4 isn't enough; we can look forward to many more years of Dorrell. And I've never yet seen such a groundswell, which makes it unlikely, though not impossible; which is why for some unaccountable reason, I keep holding out a sliver of hope.

But somehow getting rid of Dorrell is only the first step. The major task is to find the kind of coach who would revitalize this program; someone who could outscheme the opponents instead of being constantly outschemed; who would build teams which were smart, disciplined and consistent. There aren't many such coaches around anywhere; and they usually cost big money. We can't expect to grab a Tressel or a Richt or Meyer. We could look for a brilliant young coach a la Meyer a couple of years ago; but I don't really see anyone in that category right now. My fear is that we would go after Mike Leach, who I think is overrated; beats mostly inferior teams and rarely upsets a Big 12 power; and who additionally is pretty much of a jerk. We need someone who can stand up to Pete Carroll and actually match him in coaching acumen. Butch Davis is the perfect choice, but he's probably going back to Miami. UCLA waits and waits and thinks that when they are finally ready to make a change, someone good will be available; but that's not how it works; you have to find the person first and then try to make it happen, just as North Carolina, realizing Roy Williams was thinking of leaving Kansas, pushed Matt Doherty out before Williams could go somewhere else; or how Florida and Notre Dame, knowing that Urban Meyer was ready to make a move, fired their coaches to make a bid for him. Find the coach first, and then go after him. But it has to be someone of real ability, not just a decent coach/nice guy; or a second-tier coach like Leach or Glenn Mason. The other choice--maybe more feasible given the current crop--is to find the very best assistant coach in the country; someone who has worked with the very best and has shown something special. Like Bob Stoops at K-State and Florida, or Mark Richt at Florida State. That's more of a gamble, but maybe we'll find another Vermeil or Meyer. But it should be someone who has NO ties with UCLA or Donahue--someone who will bring a new, fresh, untainted perspective, and build his own program having nothing to do with the Donahue "legacy" and our learned sense of inferiority to the team across town.

Only if we do all this can we change the current reality. And if one were a betting man--which I am at times--the easy wager would be that nothing will change; that Dorrell will easily beat Stanford and Arizona; that we'll win enough to mollify the general fans for another year, which will be better than this....and so it will go--at least for another three or four years, at which time it might become completely apparent that we made another very foolish mistake in hiring someone whose major credentials were that he played at UCLA, that he was championed by the Donahue faction, and that he appears to be a nice role model for the university. But even then, will we be ready to spend the money and the effort to find the man who can harness the dormant power of UCLA football, and make us the Top Ten program which we can certainly be, if we stopped favoring image over substance and cheerful acceptance over legitimate high expectation?

- Bruin Blue

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Home Run
Don't think we need to add much to this one.  Great job, Bruin Blue.

If only anybody would listen.

Go Bruins...F@#$% Southern Cal... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Sep 24, 2006 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you said it all man
my thoughts exactly yet so perfectly worded. always settling for sustained periods of mediocrity; every year a rebuilding year, until that 8 to 9 win season (which should be 10 to 11 wins) buys the coach 4 more years. i'm not even going to say anymore, you said it all. i want to bite the bullet and root for this team to lose every game this year if it becomes apparent that we will lose more than three.

by babyblue98 on Sep 24, 2006 3:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Overturning decades of inertia
It sounds like an epic challenge, we may need to make ourselves even more vocal.

by scittles on Sep 24, 2006 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One question
Having UCLA "settle" for so many years (and having been a season ticketholder during that era), I want to congratulate the writer for his insight...My only question is why he thinks UCLA will beat a "physical" Arizona team.  

I, too, feel that our only hope is for a disastrous season and even the Lavin, I mean Dorrell apologists cannot save Dorrell.

I really hate rooting against the team, but I do want to live long enough to see the Bruins on the national stage...

by Gary72 on Sep 24, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

why dorrell can't do it.
The problem with Dorrell is as much with his approach to life as it with his game. Dorrell is more concerned about not losing, than about winning.

Walker's comment (below) about Rodney Van epitomizes the problem. Van gambled to make the big play and lost. Similarly, Dorrell's attitude is to try to obtain a small lead, and the, take his conservative game plan to an even more lower, more conservative level. (In that regard, Dorrell is truly the Donahue's protege. He has even developed the deer in the headlights look as the lead dwindles in the 4th quater.)

In this day of dynamic offense, a two touchdown lead is worth little, and one cannot rely on offense to turn it on and off at will. The contrast is with Pete Carroll (love him or hate him). Carroll will play his team as hard with a 30 point lead as he will when his team is behind, and he will gamble on both offense and defense to keep the momentum going.

Why does Dorrell take his conservative approach? He views his job at UCLA as the pinacle of his career, and his effort is dedicated to sitting on his job. Perhaps, if he viewed his job as a desparate gamble to get to the next step, he might take a more passioned approach. But Dorrell relies on the experience of his father (a career enlisted man in the military) who probably never offended anyone in his life, and whose primary purpose in life was to make sure that he had filled in all the right forms ("i's" dotted, "t's" crossed) to earn his pension after 20 yrs.

If it was made clear to Dorrell that mediocrity was not acceptable (that 7 and 5 or 8 and 3 would get him fired), maybe we would see more passion and a willingness to go for it. Is that gonna happen? I don't think so.

by uclagradscdad on Sep 24, 2006 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Commenting on Cheatey Petey
I wouldn't necessarily want our team to run up the score in garbage time like Pom Pom so enjoys doing, but there's a difference between running up the score and keeping the momentum. Cheatey could keep momentum on his side, making the other team believe that they have no chance of winning, but not run up the score, but he chooses not to do that, and I have no respect for those bush league antics. On the complete opposite side of the coin is KD, who would never take a risk as long as his team is ahead, and even when his team is behind. In all other facets of the game (on the field, certainly not off the field) Cheatey hands KD his ass.

by scittles on Sep 24, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughtul, interesting and courteous
Very thoughtful post.  Thank you for the time and the thought.  It is interesting to read about the complexities whether or not I agree with all of the perspective as it gives me something to think about.  I prefer to read well thought out pieces that have a viewpoint that differs from mine, because it is more interesting than reading my own viewpoint over and over again. It makes me think and sometimes it even persuades me. I generally enjoy this website for the reason that it almost always makes me think even when I do not agree with some of the underlying message. The courtesy of the author here is also noted with appreciation. In my own experience, I have yet to change a mind or win a supporter by calling someone a loser, for example.... Name calling and insults provide no food for thought, so they tend to just solidify my thinking the other way.  (that is not directed at the moderators, as I have great respect for the hard work they do even though I disagree with their perspective from time to time, and they do not generally call those who disagree with them a name -- that I have noted -- unlike some of the posters for whom it appears to be the default response.  That is the posters' perogative, and I do not advocate that they should change, but just note that it does not win a lot of converts if that is a purpose, in my humble opinion).

by converso on Sep 24, 2006 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent post
Should be required reading for Bruin football fans. We will make a point to link to it on our site, which hopefully will not have to be up for too long.  
I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 24, 2006 5:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Season Ticket Holders
Now, I am not an alum.  But I have had season tickets for 30+ years.  I haven't missed an UCLA Southern Cal game since high school (30+ years, there, too).  I want nothing more than to have us have a winning season.  I was one years old when we have our one and only, and frankly, I don't remember it.  I guess the only thing that bothers me on this site, is the blaming of the alums.  Can you just tell me what I can do, as a ticket season holder, and not an alum, oh, but let me stress, I belong to Bruin Bench so I can have my "priority tickets" (which were not "priority" when I got them), what am I suppose to do and how am I to blame?  I kinda feel that the season ticket holders are being blamed here ---- we support the team, I didn't even go there and have season tickets and pay for priority tickets, NOTHING depresses me more than a loss so early in the season, how am I to blame?  

by bluebruin on Sep 24, 2006 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We are all alums here blue
We are definitely not blaming the alums. We are only blaming the folks who blindly keep supporting the coaching staff at the detriment of the program (and unfortunately some of those folks are shortsighted alums).

by Nestor on Sep 25, 2006 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Main difference
I have two teams I follow in college football:  UGA and UCLA.

Saturday is far and away the best example I can give of the coaching gap between UGA and UCLA.  UGA's struggling against Colorado nearly the entire game, and I swear, I wasn't really all that worried.  In the back of my mind, the whole time, I was thinking "Don't worry, Richt will figure out a way to pull this one out."  And what does the man do?  He makes a quarterback switch towards the end of the 3rd quarter which sparks the team, and the Dawgs pull it out against Colorado with under a minute remaining.  Dawg fans often complain about some of Richt's play-calling, but the bottom line is the man just knows how to win, and when it comes to dictating pace, momentum, and belif in the team, he gets it done.

Contrast that with UCLA's debacle on Saturday.  Is there any doubt that Dorrell is in way over his head?  The man looks like a deer in headlights in every critical play-calling juncture, and even worse, he actively seeks out to destroy confidence and momentum for the team.  Not even once do you consider going for it on 4th and goal from the 5 yard-line and in?  Do you have that little faith in your offense?  That little faith in your defense to hold a team if somehow you don't score?  

The worst flaw about Dorrell is he has so little imagination it almost boggles the mind.  Adjustments seem to be way beyond the scope of his intellect.  I wonder what he does at halftime sometimes, while all other coaches are making adjustments.  He seems to be so singularly focused on whatever gameplan he comes in with, no matter the adjustments made at halftime, he fails to react.  

Contrast that with someone like Richt:  gameplan not working?  Quarterback struggling?  He makes adjustments and the team is better off for it.

by CAJason80 on Sep 25, 2006 1:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A Small Counterpoint
Let me start off by saying that I found this post very interesting, and that I really appreciate the thought and emotion that were put into it.  I am a current UCLA senior, and I have so many family members that have gone here that I've been a default Bruin fan from the womb.  With all that being said, the post was basically a summary of all of Dorrell's downsides, and while I am just as upset about Saturday's humiliating loss as anyone here, I felt like giving a little bit of a different perspective on Dorrell.

First, I've had this conversation with dozens of fellow students since the hiring, and one thing that I've heard alot is that we should have gone out and hired a proven, marquee type coach, ala Steve Spurrier (that was what I kept hearing a few years ago...).  One thing that I DO like about Karl Dorrell is that he is a Bruin.  He's actually put on the jersey, and he knows better than most other coaches how big a deal it is to beat USC.  I personally find it pretty refreshing to see the head football coach jogging around campus, talking to students.  I'm not in the locker room, and I certainly don't like the blame that has been heaped onto the players in the last few days, but I am still under the impression that he is a players' coach.

Next, around campus I hear alot of people judging Dorrell by how he compares to Pete Carroll.  I understand why people do it. I mean, Carroll has done an excellent job at making USC a powerhouse, and a winner.  However, I think that too often people look enviously at the success of the USC program, but then neglect to mention the bad (at least, in the same sentence).  Carroll does a great job of firing up his players on the sideline, with his seemingly endless energy.  That's his schtick.  Some people wish that Dorrell was more emotional on the sideline, but I personally like that he is calm and collected.  It makes him seem like a true leader.  Also, although Carroll did have some major experience as a head coach at the NFL level, it isn't as if he was a particularly hot commodity when USC hired him.  He was a mediocre AT BEST head coach, and both the Patriots and the Jets were better after they cut him loose.  All that I'm saying is that sometimes it pays to take a chance on the unproven.

Finally, it seems like alot of Bruin fans are taking on the Al Davis philosophy..."just win, baby."  That is fine, if you don't mind the side-effects.  Karl Dorrell has a pretty good reputation so far of demanding discipline from his players, which is something that seems to be lacking on the other side of town.  If we want to throw gasoline onto the Reggie Bush fire, and the other scandals going on across town, we should at least give Dorrell some credit for not getting us into that same situation.  I seem to remember some problems with Handicapped Placards and car leases not too long ago, which have not been around in the Dorrell era.

Like I said before, I'm just as pissed about Saturday as anybody, and I am by no means a Dorrell apologist.  If the guy can't do the job that is expected of him, and get us back into the national picture, then UCLA should move on.  However, before we call for his head, I think we should sit back and see how this team responds.  This could be the motivation to rebound and give 'em hell in Eugene and Southbend.  Let's make up this one with a few big road wins later in the season, and keep the momentum from last year's ten wins.

Go Bruins

by roney85 on Sep 25, 2006 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts
Steve Lavin before he crawled into his bunker (during his later year) also was accessible on campus. Joking around with the students, bringing donuts to students who are camping out. Those actions didn't cover up the fact that he was a sh!tty and incompetent head coach.

And not all of us were expecting Steve Spurrier. That is somewhat of a strawman argument advanced to show somehow Dorrell critics were expecting the moon when he was brought it. UCLA could have hired someone like Urban Meyer from Bowling Green at a rate lesser than Dorrell. All it takes is some solid research and good handle on the college football programs around the country. No one in the Morgan Center apparently didn't have a clue on college football lanscape around the country apparently.

And no ... none of us here want UCLA to have a coach like Pom Pom and have that win at all cost philosophy. That again is a total strawman argument.  I don't think it is much to ask for a competent coach who will be aggresive and dynamic in his approach to building a football program, and more importantly field a well prepared team every Saturday. It doesn't take a dishonest Pom Pom to make that happen.

And I will give Dorrell a chance if he does beat Oregon and ASU on the road, and hold serve at home  (including the game against Southern Cal).

Given his track record - and we have had 40 f*cking games to sample - you will have to pardon me if I am not holding my breath that he is going to deliver.

If he does though I will be ready to believe that he will deliver a BCS season next year.

by Nestor on Sep 26, 2006 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re Thoughts
Nestor, thank you for your response, I really do appreciate it.  I've been reading this site regularly for a long time, and just decided to post for the first time.  Keep up the good work!

Believe me, I meant it when I said that I'm not a Dorrell apologist.  I agree with everything that you say, and if we lay another egg this saturday, then you can send me the written petition to Dan Guerrero.  It just upsets me when UCLA fans post about hoping for a losing season so that Dorrell will get fired, and saying that "He views his job at UCLA as the pinacle of his career, and his effort is dedicated to sitting on his job."  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one of the reasons why we love Ben Howland?  I am just a little weary of getting a coach who sees this as a stepping stone to an NFL job.

Thanks again for your reply!

by roney85 on Sep 26, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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