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A Time for Action?

After a decidedly spineless and clueless performance in Seattle, we've been treated to a delightful performance by the Bruin coaching staff.  They kicked it off by playing the blame game, evidence of a potential implosion.  Then, more troubling signs of ineptitude, as the excuses kept growing, and the nation began to take notice of the problems in Westwood.

Now, some fans have decided it's time for a change, and are determined to go all out to get there.  And I can certainly understand the sentiment.  The woeful performance of our coaching staff against Washington, and their continuing antics with the media this week, have been almost unbelievable.  It almost seems as if KD and company have morphed into some kind of Bizarro, and are trying to show us how not to run a football team.


"It be da players' fault."  Translated from bizarro language, that means:  "It was the coaches' fault"

Of course, I?m not ready to write this season off.  I still believe that the Bruins can meet our minimum expectation of 9 wins and a win against Southern Cal.

But the passion of these Bruin fans, who want nothing more than better days for UCLA football, raises a good question.  How can individual fans make a difference?  How can one overcome what Bruin Blue has so eloquently called ?low expectations and overly sanguine fans? or what I?ve dubbed the Donahue Syndrome?

In many ways, it?s the classic collective action problem.  But, times have changed.  And it?s no longer true that fans are completely at the mercy of university administrators, AD officials, big money donors and influential alumni.  Of course, if you happened to be, or know, any of the aforementioned folks, that, candidly, is the best place to start.  But, there are other options.

Before I go on, I think it?s important to know some of the obstacles:

  • The almighty dollar.  To some degree, the university is most concerned about the balance sheet.  And, so long as the big money donors keep contributing, and seats at the Rose Bowl stay filled, it is going to be difficult to get noticed.
  • The media.  As we saw during the dark Lavin years, the traditional media is often all too willing to give voice to outrageous claims by coaches who attempt to use sympathy to keep their jobs.
  • The natural predisposition of athletic departments.  Even the most successful programs have truly (and not in Lavinesque terms) unreasonable fans.  As a result, athletic departments have a remarkable ability to tune out a significant amount of fan dissatisfaction by attributing it to the ?unhinged fringe.?
  • The fans themselves.  Either because of compliancy, apathy, low expectations, misinterpreted loyalty, or some combination thereof, fans can sometimes be their own worst enemy.  And embattled coaches typically excel at exploiting fissures within the fan base.
Can these obstacles (and others I neglect to mention) be overcome?  Of course.  How?

I think Nestor hit the nail on the head when he mentioned an organic grassroots campaign.  I'm certainly no expert on this kind of thing, and invite your suggestions, but it is being increasingly demonstrated how these things can be effective.  Some of the ideas I?ve seen floated around are good ones.  Among other things, you can:

  • Work in concert.  Given the realities of big time college athletics, you need to work with others to have the maximum impact.   Cancelling your yearly donation or season tickets may not do much, but cancelling them with many others in a choreographed way just might.
  • Get the message out.  Let people know what's going on.  Spread the word any way you can, on the Internet, with posters, or flyers.   Write letters to the Times, comment on Dohn's blog, whatever.  The more information that is out there, the better.
  • Take it to the streets.  Go ahead with the t-shirt idea.  Start wearing them on campus and to games.   Or paint your message on banners, or, better yet, your chest.  And don't forget the send us pictures, or post them yourself on BN, along with a personal message about what inspired you to take that simple action.
  • Share your passion.  Come on Bruins Nation, and share with us your stories on why you became a Bruin, are passionate about UCLA sports, and then why you are fed up with Bruin football.
  • Contact the Morgan Center.  A well organized email, letter, telephone and/or petition campaign (again, think concert of action) can up the pressure.  Let them know that 7-8 wins and an occassional lower tier bowl game aren't enough. Keep it calm and fact based (and by no means personal).  Remember, well supported, coherent arguments breed credibility.
  • Use emerging technologies.  Start a campaign on Facebook.  Use Myspace.  Comment on blogs like Bruin Nation.  Do whatever you can to get more like minded people involved.  Personally, I think the Facebook idea has the potential to huge.   It's never been easier to organize groups of people, and take near instant action.
  • Prepare for the long road.  One letter writing campaign isn't going to do it.  Any effective effort is going to take great thought, persistence and resolve.
At this point, I?d like to take Dan Guerrero at his word, and hope he is sincere when he says that UCLA demands excellence.  In my view, DG has earned some time to make things right, through his inspired hires of Howland and Savage.

And, like I said, I don?t think we?ve reached the point that all this is necessary.  And I?m going to try to keep my head up, and focus on Stanford and rest of this season.  But, if things don?t turn around like we all hope, you have some things to think about.  And I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about what we could do, if that time comes, and we ultimately need to take collective action.

Whatever might happen, and I'm hoping for the best, one thing we should all do anyways is to keep the conversation going, and to keep staying passionate about UCLA football.  And one of the best ways to do that is to keep coming to Bruins Nation and offer your takes on the program based on factual underpinnings, without being personal against Dorrell and other members of the staff.  Let's keep this community growing.  If we keep voicing our thoughts, and we stick to the facts, amazing things can happen.

GO BRUINS.

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I don't know if i could wear a T-shirt...
...to have someone fired.  That just seems a little cold for me.

That being said, I don't mind using a few cold-hard facts.  For example, I'm contemplating standing over the team tunnel at halftime and holding up a sign that may read, for example:

"First downs?  12

Pass plays?  TWO (2)

RUN PLAYS?  TEN (10)!!!"

I hope those stats don't actually occur, but you get the idea.  You know, just stats.  

Or maybe this?

"Runs to the left?  30 yards.

Runs up the middle?  -5 yards.

Runs to the right?  44 yards.

PASSES?  NINETY YARDS!!!"

Not calling for firing.  Not calling names.  Not making subjective remarks.

JUST FACTS.  

And if the facts hurt, well, they called the plays.

MIM

by Meriones on Sep 27, 2006 1:12 PM PDT   0 recs

That works
Like I said, there's no need to be nasty or personal.

Some fans may wish to put a name on a t-stirt with a direct message to show the depth of their feelings, but your fact-based approach is powerful as well.  

Your ideas are good, and I'm sure there are many others.  For example, the list of bad losses that McCloskey posted might be nice, or any number of other facts and figures that can be found on these pages.

If, again, if, we need to go this route, there is no doubt that different people will have different personal styles.  But, so long as the goals are the same, something like this could work.

by Menelaus on Sep 27, 2006 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here are my thoughts
I think the best way to go is to start with a letter writing campaign.  Should you do this, please heed M's guidence to state the facts, and be respectful.  As M pointed out, every university is going to have unreasonable fans.  Being respectful will get you further than calling names.

As for cancelling season tickets, I'm not as keen on the idea (maybe because I've never had them and I'm moving out of state in July).  Sure, to a certain extent universities do care about the bottom line and money always talks.  However, I also see season tickets as the connection between us fans, students, and alumni, to the university we all love.  Cutting off that connection makes me uncomfortable to say the least.

As for the new technology and T-shirt wearing, I'll leave that to the current students.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 27, 2006 1:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Good thoughts
I appreciate your input, as a former AD employee (correct?).

As for season tickets, I understand your feelings.  It would be a last resort thing for me, as I don't want to shoot myself in the foot (by having bad seats once the ultimate goal is accomplished).  I think witholding donations is more likely to be effective without the associated negative effects (although, I know some giving is required to keep certain seats).  

And, again, this wouldn't work on an individual level.  It's doubtful anyone in the administration would notice or care if unhappy fan X took individual action (assuming they weren't huge donors).  Part of way towards solving the collective action problem would be to organize a sufficiently large block of donors, who together might have a greater influence.

That's where the organizing tools become so important.  If it ever got to that point, I think there are now ways to connect unhappy Bruins in a way that was impossible or at least impractical just a few years ago.

by Menelaus on Sep 27, 2006 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
Yes, I am a former AD employee.  And I agree that because of technology, there are many ways unhappy fans can connect with each other in ways we couldn't even just a few years ago.  A few disgruntled fans will always be ignored, but a joint effort by fans on all levels will be noticed.

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 27, 2006 2:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Post
Menelaus,

Excellent points.

The key is to not be rude or abusive about it. That will just get a person's best effort ignored.

Like mentioned earlier, I would hate to give up my seats and then have the turn around take place.

I did that with basketball, lesson learned.

by artybruin on Sep 27, 2006 5:20 PM PDT   0 recs

We were in the same boat with Hackett
It wasn't too long ago that all these comments about Dorrell were exactly the same about Hackett and believe me it was just as painful an experience in getting rid of him.

Of course what did it at 'SC was $$$. Not playing in big bowl games really hurt the athletic department bottom line and major donors spoke up loud and clear in not only calling to dump Hackett, but really putting the screws to Mike Garrett and blaming him.

You'll need to do the same thing and direct the blame at Guerrero and put the heat on him. Of course, I'm not complaining about Dorrell, I'd love the guy to stay, but after undergoing the exquisite pain of Paul Hackett, I can't wish bad karma on diehard and dedicated football fans.

I've been really shocked at the finger pointing going on, especially out in the open in the media and at Dorrell's press conference. The guy really does seem clueless. One of my good friends is a Bruin and I've been to games and his seats are near the Bruin sideline. That guy does nothing on the sideline!

He's such a contrast to Pete Carroll in terms of working and talking to players, reviewing plays, greeting players coming off the field after a big play. Dorrell spends most of his time hand on chin and not moving. I think we might have to throw something at him just to make sure he's not a statue!

by God Loves a Trojan on Sep 27, 2006 5:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Support from USC -- how does that grab you?
A Trojan" fitting right into this thread?  In my humble opinion, there is nothing that would serve USC more than to see Bruins devouring their own.  I know that the moderators are loyal Bruins, but where is this all going?

UCLA is an elite academic institution. I know kids that made it into the Ivy's that did not get into UCLA. Sports takes a back seat, all sports -- at least that is my observation -- as it should as it is a college, not the NFL.  If you were around the campus during basketball season, my son tells me that there were not enough interested students (not enough spirit, he said), to fill the seats to watch away games on the big screen. For football, the timing is against the team.  Classes are barely starting at UCLA this week, while the USC kids have been back for more than a month.  So the UCLA football team trains and plays its first 3 games with no one on campus.  USC in contrast has rallies and students around from day one.  

The Coliseum is near the campus.  The Rose Bowl is a long haul away. Again, this makes student support an uphill battle compared to what is there for USC.  And yes, you can tell me about the difference in the program, but there are also structural differences that have nothing to do with the team that make it harder to build support and spirit.

There is a danger, in my opinion, that the  T-shirts and banners and similar things being advocated will be a demoralizer for the team members.  That may not be the intent, but isn't it the effect? I guarantee that the team is working their tails off in ways that we armchair folks could hardly imagine because of what happened in Washington.

Think of the effect of some of the tactics being advocated here on the team before you undertake them.  One of the tactics of war is to demoralize the enemy and to sap their will to fight.  "Shock and awe."  What would demoralize the Bruins (who are not the enemy) more than messages that the team is not supported by the fans.  That may not be the intent, but is that the effect?

There are elements of this site that are profound and wonderful, but there are elements that, if they spin out of control, are the best thing going for USC, in my opinion.  It is more than a little ironic that "God Loves a Trojan", fits right in to this thread. (no disrespect to him as he was courteous and has every right to his views as do all posters).  Where is all of this leading?  

In my humble opinion.  Go Bruins!

by converso on Sep 27, 2006 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

What?!?
The guy is giving an honest opinion about our "situation" in Westwood and how it relates to the Hackett situation that occured at Southern Cal. Just an observation. If anything, this is more of an indictment against Dorrell that our rivals are feeling sorry for the sorry state of the UCLA football team...

Ultimately, the kids on our football team deserve a coaching staff that teaches them how to succeed in football and in life. I don't think Dorrell has the tools to do so. Just look at Cedric Bozeman under Lavin (no growth/frustration) and under Howland (development into a possible pro prospect).

by norcalbruin95 on Sep 27, 2006 9:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He offered a good opinion
And I don't see anything wrong with that.

by Nestor on Sep 28, 2006 4:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing wrong with offering an opinion
Hear hear. I think it is great that there is a place where Bruins and Trojans can join hands to criticize the Bruins!  

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually...
He's criticizing Karl Dorrell and the AD, not the "Bruins". You'll find that most people on this board are die-hard Bruin fans and would love nothing more than for our schools AND Bruin sports to succeed.

by norcalbruin95 on Sep 28, 2006 7:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

love them trojans!!!
I look forward to future Trojan comments, criticism and advice on this website!!!!

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 7:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Again, You Only Care About Your Son
and thats perfectly understandable.  Once he's left UCLA and the practice squad though, will you still so passionately fight for the players  morale, for the greatness of the UCLA football team?? Did you even go to UCLA??  My guess is no and no.  WE will still be here ... we care about the success of the program and the institution!  That is for the rest of our lives!  

So our motivations have a far greater moral significance than yours.  Its strange that you still dont get that. Its strange that you still come on here and question our loyalty, when its yours that is suspect.  You are here for your son because you want to make his experience the best it can be while he's on the football team.  Why ruffle feathers, right? Let's all have Happy Thoughts.  

To the facts ... "the structure" of our academic schedule has nothing to do with our success in football. We have had great teams so many times its ridiculous to even argue this point. During my time at the school in the 80s we were in the top 20 8 times, our average ranking was top 10.  The 100,000+ Rose Bowl was always nearly sold out, including the first games when school was not in session.  You are grossly mistaken on those points.  

Read what you are saying, you are an apologist.  You accept excuses.  You accept that we cannot be better, cannot be best.  We HAVE been best, we HAVE won a national championship.  We have most certainly been better over the last 50 years more than we have been worse than we are now.  Those are facts.

Finally, coaches get fired - its a fact of life.  How do you suggest one go about firing a coach when one cannot utter a criticism because of the "danger" of "demoralizing team members?" Seriously, how do you suggest members of the UCLA community offer criticism? Or, maybe you dont believe in criticism?  Should we have only Happy Thoughts??

I for one am getting tired of your posts, you dont show any ability to move past your only concern - that your son have a happy experience during his short time at UCLA.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

attack away
You may attack me, my son who wears a Bruin jersey and my motives all you wish. I will not attack back.  

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

again
Im repeating a post above. How am I attacking you and your son? Show the words that are attacking you.

Lets look at what I said about you in my post.  My decription of you that "You are an apologist" and that "you make excuses" - The evidence is your words that at UCLA 'sports takes a back seat;' that academic schedule and 'timing is againt the team;' that the Rose Bowl is far away.  Your words are apologies and excuses for mediocrity. How can they be otherwise interpreted? I referred to these points in my post. So how is that an attack on you or your son? Its a rational observation based on your comments. Prove me wrong, or stop whining that you are being attacked.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 10:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

don't destroy it to save it
I am suggesting that certain negative public attacks by even loyal Bruins (such as everyone wearing the T shirts of the kind that are apparently sold on your website or holding up banners that point out errors) even if well meaning will not help build the spirit of the student fan base of the school (which may not be the best today for a number of reasons, in my opinion) or of the student athletes, in my opinion.  That has nothing to do with the coaching staff, is not itself a statement of support for administration, period.  How is it making excuses?  All I am saying is don't be  like the Vietnam War where the anti war political joke was, "We had to destroy the village to save it." (not funny, but to make the point). You mischaracterize my statements and then go at it.... I have not insulted you personally,  I have made no statements about you, your character, your conduct, at all, nor do I intend to.  No one cares about this exchange but you and me.  And I only care because I do not want you to think that, by silence, I have conceded. It is all getting very boring, is it not?  I would be very happy if the moderator would close this thread.

by converso on Sep 29, 2006 7:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please
If this program continues to slide under Dorrell everyone should speak up in any way they want, that includes wearing t-shirts or whatever.

It worked for us when students spoke up again Lavin.

It will work if students speak up against Dorrell if he continues to prove to be an inept leader.

You are taking this way too personally.

No one is attacking your son. We love and appreciate your son's contributions to the program as a fellow Bruin.

Our beef is with the coaching staff who so far has not lived up to Bruin standards of excellence.

And no we are not going to close this thread.

by Nestor on Sep 29, 2006 8:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you
As always, I appreciate your comments.  You have been and are a gentleman.

by converso on Sep 29, 2006 9:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not the trOJan's fault
that the flaws in our coaching staff are blatantly obvious for all to see. Just because something is painful and difficult, as coaching changes always are, doesn't mean that they are not necessary. If you are suggesting that his one post on one website is going to somehow demoralize the team more than a loss to Washington or that awful no-confidence playcalling already did, then I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree here.

by scittles on Sep 27, 2006 9:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Not suggesting that one post is a problem
I am not suggesting that one post is a problem at all.  One post is ironic. A problem is the trend, in my opinion, where the hatred of the coaching staff is so all-consuming that everything else is lost. What may demoralize the team, in my opinion, is a bunch of folks in their faces with banners and t-shirts and a negative message........  

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's right about one thing
When Hackett was in the last year and choked against UCLA, it was Senior Day and fans were so irate they booed as Hackett tried to introduce seniors after the game. The same thing happened to John Robinson Part II. It was very demoralizing to the players since they were the ones who tried hardest to win.

So in that regard I think Converso is right, you don't necessarily want to do any protests that players are going to be downtrodden about.

However, it seems from the comments made by players so far that they want to be more aggressive and take more chances in the playcalling and get a chance to succeed or fail, but at least it's on them. If you tailor comments and criticisms, both on boards like this, in the Daily Bruin and at games to get more aggressive, that's going to have an effect.

The next time Dorrell doesn't go for it on 4th and 1 on the opponent's 45 and decides to punt being down by two touchdowns, Bruin fans need to make sure everyone hears loud and clear how pissed off you are. It worked for us with Hackett, although regrettably we kept doing it to the players after the game was over.

Believe me, I like nothing more than to see UCLA lose against us, but at the same time I'm sane enough to recognize that a weak conference hurts everyone in the conference and frankly I'm sick and tired of always hearing how weak the Pac-10 is and how great the SEC is and all that crap.

That's why I admire coaches like Mike Belloti and Jeff Tedford. They have always played USC tough, always gone for it and made it a game both sides felt each team left it all on the field.

Even that Texas game, which still gives me nightmares, was a great game because neither team held back anything whatsoever. That's what college football is all about. It's what makes it so much better than the pros. You put your heart and soul on the line for yourself, your team and your school.

I have serious doubts if Karl Dorrell even has a heart.

by God Loves a Trojan on Sep 28, 2006 9:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I need to take a shower!
I am agreeing with every line in a Trojan post. ;-)

by bluestreet on Sep 28, 2006 9:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now THAT is a scary thought!
Beat the crap out of Notre Dame!!! I hate that fat, smug Charlie Weiss bastard! Talk about a gutless coach...John L. Smith gets my vote after that miserable second half against the Irish.

by God Loves a Trojan on Sep 28, 2006 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can beat that.
I agree with every line in a Trojan post and with bluestreet.  I need a shower and a drink....

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

corrections to converso's post
hatred = criticism; all consuming = well reasoned; everthing else is lost = my son may have his coach fired; the team = my son.  Fixed.
I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 9:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you!
I always enjoy your posts because you are rigorously honest about where you are coming from.  You may attack me and my motives and my son who wears the Bruin jersey all you wish.  

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

cmon now
Im not attacking your son.  Show me where I attack your son, or you for that matter.  Im stating facts, and opinions based on those facts.  Where are your facts? Where am I attacking you? You simply make accusations, that's all you seem to do. I certainly am pointing out what I think your motives are based on what you told us. Prove me wrong.  Debate the points I raised with evidence and facts, rather than play the victim card, which is childish.

Being that you are obviously concerned about criticism of the program, Id like to know your answer to one question: How are you concerned about the long term success of UCLA football (over short term stability) when you have a son on the practice squad, and you have no other affiliation with UCLA?  

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 10:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

again, let's move on
I was told that this was a site for idea exchange and here yet again is another focus from you on my motives.  You have no idea what my affiliation is or is not with UCLA, and though your slaps at my son who wears a Bruin jersey are subtle, they are slaps at my son nonetheless.  You are a clever writer and you know what you do, no reason to try to bait me out on it to see if I can explain it.  I could but it ain't worth adding to this post as no one cares.  I have not attacked you nor I have questioned your motives, as you are questioning mine over and over again.  I will not attack you nor question your motives because I have been told that it is not appropriate for this forum.  I assume that you will likewise observe that the rules apply both ways and move on.

by converso on Sep 29, 2006 7:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A Fellowship
You have my sword!

by JWongUCLA on Sep 27, 2006 9:56 PM PDT   0 recs

Brilliant Post
A call to arms, and well documented!! I suspect we will come back to it many times.
I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 9:05 AM PDT   0 recs

attack away
You likewise may call me all the names you wish, and I will not respond in kind. It is an honor to be assaulted for loyalty to the Bruins!  Go Bruins!!!

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Converso
No one is "attacking" you here. They are just discussing based on the merits of your post. No one is calling you any names.

I think its a bit unfair to characterize other folks as attacks when they are anything but.

by Nestor on Sep 28, 2006 6:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have nothing but respect for you, Nestor
I have nothing but respect for you, but "clueless rantings", and "brainless" are an attack in my book.  

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 6:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok
to be fair I just pulled that comment you were referring to. You are right that was out of line. But I want you to understand the post that started the argument here - the one from GodLovesaTrojan - was on point even if it came from a Trojan.

I am not sure if there are any intense Trojan haters out there than yours truly, but when I read an opinion, which is from the other side, and is on point, I have to respect it.

I want this to be a place where we are arguing on merits, not just always engaging in flame wars without any substance.

The guy above brought substance and we need to respect that.

by Nestor on Sep 28, 2006 6:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

God bless you!
I very much appreciate your words and your action.  If I did not have respect for this website, I would not spend my time posting here.  I would like to think that there is room for a bunch of different perspectives including those unique views of a parent of a team member.  My interests are certainly different than those of a conventional fan, but that does not mean they are automatically without merit.  By the way, in answer to Dump dorrell, I have not missed a Bruin home game since my son was 3 -- he is now 19+ -- so my passion for the Bruins is not the result of my son.  To the contrary, he learned what it meant to be a Bruin fan from me.  Being on the squad is fulfilling a lifelong dream for him -- even if it is only the Scout team -- as he grew up in Bruin blue.

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 7:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do not like what I'm reading
I think God Loves a Trojan and Converso both made very good points.  Here's what I take from the two.  God Loves a Trojan gave a perfect "historical" analogy.  And just as the Trojans had to, we need to make our voices heard to get rid of KD.  However, I hope that we all see, and I have been fighting to elucidate, the more tactful and appropriate options.  Converso pointed out that there is a fine line between constructively criticizing and fixing our program, and giving in to demoralizing, immature actions.
In response to DumpDorrell's insertion of other words into Converso's post:  The only parallelism I see in these posts is between the post-game booing of the SC seniors and some of the immature bitching that I've been listening to recently (and the attacks on Converso in this diary).
In all due respect, campus is just as vibrant now as it was during your guys' "Glory Days," so stop acting like we students are poor, suffering, miserable fools who don't know what championship tastes like.  Remember: we are the ones who get to win championship 100.  My stomache feels sick.  I don't know when I'll be back on... This definitely does not feel like a UCLA blog to me.

by jatteratious on Sep 28, 2006 8:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I would agree
with your point about converso if he were to point out exactly whats wrong with criticism.  He doesn't. He said he doesnt like the tshirts or signs ideas. Well, thats basic to any sports venues, but I can see his point there. Some signs may be demoralizing and I may not agree with all of them, but some are fine. Questioning the loyalty of those who have them is a bit suspect.  Those very same fans may actually question his loyalty.  So, who is right??

As for all other criticism ... it seems converso thinks its all hatred. I have not seen a post of his where he actually quotes any criticism and shows us why its hatred. He simply cries foul, which is not good enough, and he rightfully gets criticised for that.

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Sep 28, 2006 10:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why focus on me? I would like to move on.
Since you continue to focus on me, I have to continue to respond.  Ever since I apologized for my first ill advised post, I have not raised the loyalty issue at all. In fact, I have made a point to acknowledge the loyalty of the moderators and the fan base.  Nor have I indicated that criticism is bad, to the contrary, I have complemented posts that offer constructive criticism of the team. You set up straw men to keep knocking me and to make me an issue.  I do not think that I have had any posts focusing on you and yet you have had a number of posts now that focus on me.  At what point will your personality focus on me end?  I am not going to attack you no matter how much you focus on me or mischaracterize what I say!   It would be appreciated if you would focus on the issues instead of on me, or on my son or on your beliefs about my motives.  Stop focusing on me!!!  Go Bruins!!!

by converso on Sep 28, 2006 10:59 PM PDT   0 recs

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