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Our friend Bruin Blue has been so inspired the ongoing discussions here on BN and elsewhere in the internets wrt to the Thinker of Westwood, that he emailed us another classic post. Enjoy. The two caveats I’d like to add to this great piece is that we at BN have not settled on a set of top candidates for UCLA head coaching positions. Second, I have a little bit of hope wrt to next coaching search given how DG executed the search of our hoops head coach which he was in charge of unlike last search for football head coach (and which was not as simple as it appeared on surface). Anyways, I personally share BB’s concerns about Chow, however, I do think Peterson could be a very good choice. So here you go. Enjoy. GO BRUINS. –N

I usually limit myself to writing one essay a week here, but I am fired up. This is our time, and the tide is turning. I am now convinced that Karl Dorrell is on his way out, thanks in no small part to the tireless efforts of Nestor and the other fine contributors to BruinsNation and DumpDorrell. When Lavin was the problem, in those bleak early years, I sometimes felt as if I and a few other people were like the Spartans defending Thermopylae against the hordes of Lavin loyalists. But the opposition to Dorrell has been much more organized and effective at the outset, and it has made a difference. Of course, Dorrell's ineptitude had to continue for it to bear fruition, and it has. I suppose that there is a mathematical chance that he can pull something out to salvage one more sorry season, but it's doubtful. In fact--and I would certainly never wish this--if Pat Cowan cannot go at full strength, UCLA is likely to lose every single remaining game, because Bethel-Thompson, a really good kid, cannot play major college quarterback; and Rashaan could only play it in a completely different system, not run by WCO fanatics. A healthy Cowan would help, but I doubt if it would make enough difference, not with Dorrell seemingly imploding before our very eyes, and all sorts of rumors of player discontent. So I am really starting to believe that it's almost over.

And that will lead to an event which used to be really exciting for me, but which I now approach with a feeling of near-dread: the UCLA coaching search. I had thought of writing a whole history of UCLA coaching searches of the past, but it would take too much time away from my main point, which is our need to demand a high-quality hire now. Let me just say that UCLA has undoubtedly conducted some of the most pathetic coaching searches of any major school ever; in fact, most of the time there is no search at all. When J.D. Morgan ran things, he had so squelched alumni input, that he was a virtual monarch here, and simply chose anyone he wanted. Sometimes he was right as with Prothro, Vermeil and Larry Brown; other times he was completely wrong as with Bartow, Rodgers and Donahue (in my view, anyway). After that, Fischer and Dalis chose out of ignorance and political correctness, such people as Farmer, Hazzard, Toledo and Lavin, without any sign of a search or interviews of other candidates (except that Dalis did make an all-out effort to get Gary Barnett before he hired Toledo). The only real coaching search was in '88, when Hazzard was fired; and Dalis of course screwed that one up, helped by Larry Brown's incredible turnabout. Then we finally got Guerrero; and he made a very legitimate search when he fired Lavin; looking at Williams and Montgomery before fortunately or perspicaciously choosing the best coach in Howland. In football, of course, there was an absolutely pathetic search, limited to Dorrell, Greg Robinson and Mike Riley. Compare this to the searches of other major schools, and the difference is embarrassing. So what is it going to be this time? I cannot be confident, though I remain hopeful.

I am quite concerned at the rumors circulating that Guerrero wants to hire Norm Chow as head coach. A recent newspaper article had mentioned that Guerrero was interested in an NFL assistant to replace Dorrell. I actually thought it was Bill Musgrave; but then I see that on another forum someone who purports to be in the know mentions that Chow is in Guerrero's sights. Now, I never give too much credence to such posters, except that it comports with the newspaper comment. And I want to say that if Guerrero hires Chow, I am going to be beyond upset, because it is a horrible idea. Why? Because Chow is a 61-year-old assistant coach who has never been a head coach anywhere, and who apparently hates recruiting and does not have a winning personality; not that the latter is essential, but combined with the other aspects, it is more than worrisome. Why has not Chow, clearly an offensive genius, never been offered any significant job? Why would UCLA want to consider making the experiment now, when no other program, even those in desperate straits, has ever done so? Yes, Chow is an offensive guru; but so supposedly were such people as Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett, Gary Crowton, Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Ron Turner, among many others. Calling plays from a press box by no means can be extrapolated into being the kind of leader, motivator and total game-planner which is necessary to be a top head coach. And while virtually all head coaches once were coordinators, I would much rather go after a young, dynamic one than someone who has been passed over for decades, and who would not have more than a few years of tenure even at his best.

What I am worried about is that Guerrero simply might not have the acumen to be aware of other possibilities. He might have been impressed with Southern Cal's offenses under Chow; while he doesn't really know much about other programs in other parts of the country. Is that an unfair supposition? We'll see. He might think, as some UCLA fans do, that since Chow and Carroll parted on bad terms, it would be exciting to bring Chow in to try to beat Carroll--except that he is unlikely to be able to do so. Worse than that, he might be thinking that he can bring Chow in and keep Dewayne Walker as defensive coordinator, and then let Walker have the job when Chow retires. What a nightmare scenario that would be; the next fifteen years accounted for with almost guaranteed football nonentity status. Part of this scenario might be his feeling that if he hires Chow, an Asian-American, and keeps Walker, an African-American, he would be defusing any possible racially tinged criticism of the Dorrell firing, as well as possibly exciting UCLA's large base of Asian-American students. If he is thinking in that way--and I have no proof of this, except it's often the way UCLA administrators think--this would be disastrous. Now, I cannot absolutely guarantee that Chow would fail as UCLA coach, but I think it is likely; that the combination of no head coaching experience, and a personality which has proven at least prickly, could lead to an absolutely miserable tenure. And even if I were wrong, at the very best, we would only get four years or so of his regime, anyway. So someone please tell me that I am worrying about nothing, and that there is no chance that we would make such a poor hire. Or at least help to exert the same pressure we have brought to bear for a coaching change, toward a replacement choice which is far better for our prospects.

Some might feel that this conjecture is premature, but I do not think so. Our history has been that coaching searches are quick and narrowly focused. I think that if Guerrero is strongly considering a change, that he will have the successor in mind by the time the firing is announced. UCLA has a preternatural fear of feeling embarrassed by a prospect turning down an offer. I don't know why; because it happens all the time to major schools, and they just go on to the next choice. Billy Donovan turned down Kentucky, so they hired the fine young coach Billy GIllispie. Apparently Frank Beamer and others turned down Alabama, so they went all-out for Saban and landed him. Ohio State actually tried to hire Bob Stoops before they ended up with Jim Tressel. The only disgrace is in not shooting for the moon, not in having someone say that he is happy where he is, and will not take your job. But that's not how UCLA thinks; they apparently would rather ask the homely girl to the prom because they can be sure that she will not say no, and will not expect you to spend to much on her. So I think that Guerrero will have one or at most two candidates in mind, and quickly move to hire him. Therefore, we should exert whatever influence we have now, and not wait for the Dorrell firing, by which time the imminent hiring may well be a virtual fait accompli. And I think that Guerrero may well need a little help with this search.

Therefore, I suggest that we hire Chris Peterson of Boise State. Is he the best candidate out there? Maybe not; but I really do not have faith that Guerrero has the ability to find a bigger or more appealing name, so I would be happy enough to settle for Peterson. Now, I do realize that other Boise State coaches such as Koetter and Hawkins have either failed or struggled after they left; but I think that Peterson may be different. The story always was that Peterson was the brains behind Hawkins' offense at Boise. And how could anyone not be impressed with last year's undefeated season? Yes, the schedule is lightweight, but I like the fact that Boise actually played some defense under Peterson, where they had not before. And we all remember the great Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma--what was so impressive to me about that was the fact that this wasn't some fluke win as the result of lots of turnovers, but that for at least 30 minutes, Boise was controlling the line of scrimmage against Stoops'; team, which was just stunning to me. Only at the end did Oklahoma's superior athletic talent start to wear down Peterson's team, so that it took those glorious trick plays to win it. This year, I was disappointed at the loss at Washington; but it looks as if Peterson will run the table the rest of the year. I see no reason why he cannot be at least as good a coach as Tedford and Bellotti, and perhaps better. Now, we will have to compete with other schools for him--Michigan, perhaps; or any of a number of SEC programs which will change coaches. He is the hottest name out there, but he is on our coast; and we could very possibly get him if we made the effort. But will we?

As to other possibilities, many have been suggested; and of course everyone is entitled to his or her suggestion. But I think we should at least focus on someone who has shown that he can win football games against significant opposition. Brian Kelly of Cincinnati, and before that Western Michigan, looks like a comer. I always thought that David Cutcliffe did a great job at Mississippi, before being fired for some strange reason. Now he is OC for Fullmer at Tennessee. How about Jim Fassel, who I actually thought did a good job for the NFL Giants, but was fired as every New York coach is ultimately fired. He has a Southern California background, too. Jim Leavitt of South Florida has been mentioned, but he will be tough to pry away. How about Ralph Friedgen of Maryland; portly to be sure, but a fine offensive mind, who actually took Maryland to a BCS Bowl? He is at his alma mater, so it might be difficult to get him. If age really isn't an issue, there is always Mike Price, who is a pretty good coach, took WSU to the Rose Bowl, and has done a nice job at UTEP. There's always Mike Leach, but I don't like his personality nor his inability to coach defense or beat teams he can't bully. Gary Pinkel has been mentioned, but he took an awfully long time to get Missouri to its current level; and I think we can do better. Is it absolutely impossible that Butch Davis would consider leaving Carolina after one year for this challenge? Now, I see Rich Brooks getting some play, but consider that he probably should have been fired at Kentucky before now; and that he had a number of insipid seasons at Oregon after early success. He certainly did not do as well there as Bellotti, so why would we want him now? Because he coached at UCLA once? Spare me. Let's see if we can pick someone that Terry Donahue has no more than a nodding acquaintance with, at best.

You may be able to suggest others, and I urge you to do so, as long as they are of a similar level; i.e., coaches who have shown some ability to more than hold their own against major competition. Wouldn't it be wonderful to actually hire someone at UCLA whose hiring would make a major splash in the media; so that we would hear Chris Fowler saying or Mike DeCourcy writing, "It looks like UCLA has stepped up and hit a homerun with its new hire of _____."? It would be infinitely better than taking another flyer on someone with questionable head coaching credentials, and once again proving to the college football world that we really have no realistic idea of what we are doing in this area; or that we are simply a basketball school which makes the occasional stab at football success, continuing to hire coaches based on hope, wild extrapolation, or political considerations. If it's going to happen in the right way, to make all of everyone's efforts so far ultimately worth it, we have to really focus on this process now, before it gets away from us again.

- Bruin Blue

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I'm waiting for DG to say the F-word
as in...KD, you're FIRED, before I can fully shift into new-coach-hiring gear.

This is a very good synopsis of what candidates are out there.  With SC seemingly faltering, the way is paved for the next UCLA coach to de-throne SC's grip on Los Angeles.  This has to be an enticing challenge for the right coach.

But I have said many times, this KD joker has more than 9 lives and is not easily rid, as evidenced by the support we are still seeing after the ND disaster.

So, please pardon me while I remain cautious.  Until DG says the F word to KD, I just cannot get excited about new-coach discussions.

by bluegold on Oct 11, 2007 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree
As much as we all want this to happen, it's putting the cart before the horse in this case.

The other saying that comes to mind is: "Be careful what you wish for." Though, I don't think that applies that much here :)

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by HoozierDaddy on Oct 11, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Convinced Dorrell will be replaced at season's end
Our coaching thus far has not met the standards DG stated prior to the season starting.  The losses really stand out, and the wins were far from convincing.  With the more challenging games in front of us, reality says our record will be mediocre at best at the end of the season (despite our current 3-0 Pac-10 record and the expressed desire of the players to win the conference).  And even if the team somehow manages to pull out a win at the Colliseum, beating $c will not mean as much this year; we already did it last year, and hell! even lowly Stanford was able to beat them this year.

The nails in KD's coffin have been driven in over many a season.  For some, the final nail came a few years ago.  For me, it was ND last year.  For others, the nut bowl last year.  For still others, the Utah debacle this season.

I've got to believe DG nail hammered his last nail in at the Rose Bowl with ND this year.  Why?  It happened in our house, on national TV, and it's not just that we lost but HOW we lost.  The fact that this kind of embarrassment draws laughs during Leno's monologue can't be lost on DG during a year in which he wishes the country's attention be focused on celebrating our athletic department's milestone in national championships.  Football is THE premier sport in the country right now, and all those championships look a little hollow to outside world when there is simply no possibilty of having a national champion in this sport.  The program is not even close to contending.  He's got to be thinking he needs a better captain for this boat.

While it is quite often not possible to find a logical basis for KD's decisions, I believe DG is a very rational guy.

by haywood nighttrain on Oct 11, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would recommend to change your thought a bit
As I would not be surprised if the hire happens almost immediately after the firing is announced, much like how DG contacted Mariucci last year.  

The time to ponder the coaching possibilities is now.

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My vote is for Leavitt
I'll have more on that in a diary later today

by Dante on Oct 11, 2007 9:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in Tampa
and know what's being said about him here in town.  He really is like Joe Pa or Bobby Bowden.  He is the only coach USF has had, and has taken them from nothing to something (and in my opinion that something is a for-real something, not like the 10-2 season put together by CTS.)  He is, of course, the anti-CTS.  He is coarse, sort of a slob, and when he speaks he actually says things that can be understood.

I think he would be a fine coach at UCLA.  Could we find a better one?  Probably we could.  But would Leavitt leave USF?  Probably not.  I can't see us making the kind of offer that would convince him to leave.  And if we did, we should make that offer to Urban Meyer.

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leavitt turned down Bama to stay at USF
Suffice it to say, if the may turned down 'Bama, he ain't coming to UCLA.

by CAJason80 on Oct 11, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will read it in more detail later...
... but first:

(a)  THANK YOU, Bruin Blue, for your string of thoughtfully-written posts.  Always a good, stimulating read.  Bravo, sir.

(b)  Thank you, also, for throwing in a preliminary recommendation for Petersen.  While he's only been HC for 2 years, the fact that he comes off the Oregon tree AND was BSU's OC for a good 5 years, all under Hawkins, at least makes me believe he ahs a better grasp of COACHING than CTS had when he first came in.  Hawkins' teams went 53-11 and went 2-2 in bowl games.  Of course we all know about BSU crashing the BCS party ins tyle last year.

PLUS, according to reports, Petersen makes $850K at BSU, counting salary, speaking gigs, and endorsements.  In toehr words, CTS-level money.  I think we would gladly pay in the $1.1 to $1.3M range for a relatively young, but still more-accomplished HC than CTS.

Again, Blue, thanks for your always rock-solid contributions.

M

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Oct 11, 2007 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh no...
WOW... I know it's freedom of this and that and all -- but the CoS thing is a BIIIGGG negative for me and anyone else who's had ever had to "share" space with their people. I spent 5-years out of school with them professionally; .5% are type-A leaders (but rabidly so ((think T.Cruise)), 1.5% are decent achievers who are tolerate of/tolerable to non-believers -- but that last 98% are almost pure washouts with big black "X"s for eyeballs... Wow. What a revelation. We should definitely check references and ask around.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 11, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peterson is a practicing Scientologist
And we know our fine city of LA is the Mecca for Scientologists.  Get the Scientologists on board and I can guarantee we land Peterson over Michigan and the SEC.  

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And if we join forces with the Scientologists...
We might be able to drum up some nice donations to put one of their own in the LA limelight and UCLA football may benefit from the extra publicity.  I like what Peterson has done at Boise State and if we use the Scientology LA connection, I think we can get a good deal.  Plus we may recruit John Travolta, Kelly Preston, and a whole slew of celebs to become UCLA football fans.  As long as our team wins the Pac-10 and goes to BCS games, I don't care who wears a UCLA tshirt (or donates $ to us).

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scientologist?
Anyone have a source for this.  I did a Google search and only found one offhand remark about him inviting Tom Cruise as a "honorary assistant coach".  This would be surprise to me.  I live in Boise and Coach Peterson has attended my church several times over the summer, not sure if he's been there since the season started (I've been slacking on attendance lately).  And my church is your standard Christian church, no scientology teachings there.

by Insomnia333 on Oct 11, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I see the same google links as you...
so no, I have nothing that is a solid source, except I have heard this buzz from a friend involved in the whole LA scene (friend is also a UCLA alum).  

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CoS
i've been all over. if CP is CoS, he's a new recruit. AISB, I have lots of old personal ties to their people/cliques and on a cursory 5-call/5-site look up, his name did not check out... and that's a good thing.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 11, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is cool
He will beat the crap out of Pom Pom's Angels!

by bluestreet on Oct 11, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My vote is for Bowden, the younger
I heard an interview with Terry Bowden a couple weeks ago on PMS and he was practically campaigning for the UCLA job. He talked glowingly about how great of a place it would be to coach and how the program has tremendous potential and how it is underperforming under Dorrell. He even did not count out a move to the WC. He would provide immediate credibility to the Bruins considering his contacts in the media and SEC.

Even though he's been out of coaching for awhile you could tell he has the passion to return to the sidelines.

richramus

by richramus on Oct 11, 2007 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW, thanks for posting that
Does not speak very well of Bowden, does it?  

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't equate what someone
says anonymously on a blog with actual evidence of anything.  Think about it -- there are still people who come on this blog and say that CTS is doing a good job.

I don't know if he's the right coach for UCLA or not.  But I wouldn't have one of the litmus tests be whether or not he is accused of something in a blog.

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back when he was ousted at Auburn...
I heard from a credible source that he was sleeping with the daughter (underaged) of one of the big boosters. This post you referenced had a slew of different takes but all dealing with the same theme: Terry Bowden slept with someone female and consequently pissed off the powers that be at Auburn.

Personally, he irritates me and I don't want to support him as the UCLA head coach. I don't know for sure what got him kicked out of Auburn but the lack of clarity on the departure should be considered a bad sign.

by UCngLA on Oct 11, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A great synopsis
Thanks for your brilliant, in-depth analysis. I agree that Petersen seems to be the right man at the right time to take us to the next level. I hope DG is up to this challenge. Please remember that BH practically recruited us, not the other way around.

by Herschy on Oct 11, 2007 10:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve Mariucci
My fellow Bruin friends have agreed with my thought of hiring Steve Mariucci if possible.

Pac-10 experience (CAL), NFL experience, great with media, known name.

I f we can afford, I say go that route.

by lomatafan on Oct 11, 2007 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting,
but my biggest question is, would he continue to use WCO?
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 11, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, my question if anyone can answer
Did he use the WCO when he was at Cal?  

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

try the Cal boards
There is a funny one I found called "The Rose Bowl Before I Die"

Speaking of Cal, there are many Cal fans who would prefer the Rose Bowl over the BCS Championship game.  One reason is that if LSU goes the Champ game, which is played in New Orleans, they will probably win because of home field advantage.

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WCO does not = bubonic plague
That is, WCO should not suffer a bad name just because the bumbling KD cannot implement it.  

It is clear that KD cannot implement ANY offensive scheme.

A good coach will be able to install the right offense for the personnel that he has.

by bluegold on Oct 11, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOO!!!!!
The WCO is not the plague, I agree.  It is fifty times worse than the plague.  It is the oozy stuff that comes out of the meteor and eats the night watchman before the teenagers figure a way to kill it.  It is the thing that all the doctors in their radiation suits panic and run from.  It is Rosemary's Baby grown to its full powers.

The WCO is unstoppable when it's executed properly.  But the only guys who could execute it properly were Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Roger Craig and Jerry Rice.  The WCO DOES NOT WORK IN COLLEGE.  It never has and it never will, because no QB has the five or six years to master it.

There are lots of litmus tests being tossed around (e.g., there can be no connection to Donahue.)  I don't mind a Donahue connection - one big contender is Rick Neuheisel.  (And the number one Donahue connection - Homer Smith - needs to be pried out of retirement and brought back to fix the offense, but I digress.)  To me, the only litmus test would be the WCO.  If any candidate thinks he might use it, he should be asked if he wants a blindfold and a cigarette and then asked to stand up against the wall.  

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calm down, Fox
all I'm saying is, we should not judge a coach solely by his affinity to the WCO or any offense, if he has a record of making his choice of offense work.

by bluegold on Oct 11, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys,
I just want to know, is the WCO working in college and at which program. It sure as hell isn't working at Nebraska. Even with 5th year seniors at the helm last year. If someone can prove me wrong, I'd appreciate it. Until then.. WCO-NO WAY!
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 11, 2007 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody remember being in college?
When I was in college everyone, including athletes, were living pretty well-rounded lives. The football players were not spending all of their free time studing their playbooks. These guys went to classes in the morning, practice in the afternoon and study table after practice. They also went to parties , hung out at the gym playing basketball, were active in fraternities and attended other sporting events just like the rest of the student body. And lets us not forget the drinking and marijuana smoking. This was going on all around me in college (athletes and non-athletes). How does a coach expect any one to master the WCO in the midst of all that goes on in college life?

College football players are not well-paid athletes whose only job is to spend the week getting ready for a game on Sunday. There is a reason WCO doesn't work in college and the reason is COLLEGE.

by UCngLA on Oct 11, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UCngLA.. BRAVO!!
Great point! As a former alum, I forgot how crazy and fun those days were! Different mindset, these ARE kids with OTHER priorities like their studies, group activities and parties! I think you found the Rosetta Stone on that one!
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 11, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

College Life
I ran into Troy Aikman a few times at various parties and drinking establishments.  He was making full use of his time in L.A.
Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Oct 12, 2007 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I'm a little calmer
But I still see the stuff oozing out of a meteor.  Arghhh!  It's got m.....

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How's this
Westcoastus offensus est crapismus.

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted about Mooch awhile back
I like him!  And him and Terry Donahue do not like each other (from their 49er days), so Mooch would be a nice break from the Donahue ties.

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bruinliv
I remember reading that and thinking that "great minds thnk alike." After recent trangressions (pathetic losses), I decided to register a username and post.

I also agree that the WCO is not the plague and Mooch could bring a variation to the college game that would actually work.

by lomatafan on Oct 11, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What EXACTLY did Mariucci accomplish at Cal?
(sound of crickets chirping)

That's what I thought.

And backing him 'cause he doesn't like Terry Donahue is like betting Alydar because you hate Affirmed.  Still lose money, but damn, you've upheld principle, right?

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 11, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the fact that at Cal
He had very similar requirements in recruiting as he will at UCLA.  

Will Bowden or Petersen be as successful once they realize that the academic bar is set much higher at UCLA than at their previous schools?

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...
Mooch has got the Rah-Rah part down, but I don't think he's got much else (tactics, leadership). This is based on what I've observed as a 49er fan and when he was coaching at Cal. He is definitely a personable/enthusiastic guy, but you can't get by on energy alone. His in-game decision-making and his failure to win the "big" games did him as the Niner coach (well, that and the Donahue feud), and I see no reason why things would change at UCLA.

I think we need someone who will provide a solid foundation with solid fundamentals and great leadership, not just another cheerleader disguised as a head coach...

by norcalbruin95 on Oct 11, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rah-rah seems to work crosstown
The rah-rah stuff seems to be working for the team in South Central.

I too am from NorCal, what big games did Mariucci not win? I thought they overachieved throughout the Jeff Garcia era despite being hamstrung with cap issues and an inept GM.

by lomatafan on Oct 11, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
he lost at home to the Packers in the '97 NFC title game (10-23), to Atlanta in the '98 divisional round (18-20), then to the Packers again in '01 (15-25) and then getting crushed 6-31 by Tampa Bay in the '02 division playoff. That's not a good big-game history in my opinion. Sort of Steve Lavin-ish.

Also, he may have over-achieved a little late in his tenure, but for the early part of his years with the Niners he had some considerable talent on his teams (Young, Rice, Owens, etc) so I wouldn't say he was really "hamstrung". Most of the salary cap-isseus affected the team after he left and when Erickson took over.

Lastly, do we want a rah-rah coach or a fundamentals guy like Howland...

by norcalbruin95 on Oct 11, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mostly agreed...
as another longtime 49ers fan, I have to agree with you that I have never been that imressed with Mooch's big game performances. Although I tend to give him a pass for the '98 game against atlanta (opening drive, Hearst severely injured his foot - caused him to miss 2 years, iirc. was surprise the game ended up that close considering), the Tampa Bay game was horrible; I believe I have referred to it here as a "perfect Dorrelian moment", or to that efect.

by bruinhoo on Oct 11, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

far better recollections than I
Good recall, lads. Far better than mine at least.

I guess my point was that Pete Carrol may not have had the greatest track record in the NFL, but his schtick seems to be ok in college.

Mariucci seems to be of that ilk. Of course, if we identify the Howland of college football, life would be good.

Not holding my breath though.

by lomatafan on Oct 11, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariucci and college coaching success
I did see one of his teams come to play SC and beat them in the 4th quarter...that was a mantra for his teams, "we win the 4th" or something like that. I also believe that team played in the bowl game in Orlando and beat Clemson.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Oct 11, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because . . .
 .  . . Clemson lost the coin toss, and they had to dress like Donald and Goofy for the whole first half of the Disneyworld Bowl
The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 11, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bo Pelini
I think this has been mentioned before. He's a great defensive coach, he's fiery, and he's been with some of the best coaches football has to offer. The knock against him was no HC experience. But he had a month as interim HC at Nebraska. It doesn't seem like much but apparently the players all wanted him back as HC. The AD, however, wanted a big name.

Granted I don't know anything about him besides LSU's defense and this article on Yahoo but he sounds like at least a possibility to be considered.

by captain mightykite on Oct 11, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone will give him a gig after this season
Esp. if LSU wins it all.  I think for us though, it is time for a higher profile hire.

I had no idea Pelini was so young, he'll be a good hire for a struggling program in a good conference.

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We won't have a shot at Pelini
My guess is Les Miles bolts after the year for Michigan (where he played and was an assistant) and Pelini is promoted at LSU.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 11, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have faith in DG
I think he will go for an up-and-comer after having done due diligence in his search.  I am heartened to learn he wasn't involved all that much in the search that resulted in Dorrell.  That indicates to me that next time around, he will be, and the search will be as thorough and hopefully conclude as successfully as it did when Howland was selected.  Chow is a good story, but I wouldn't get your panties all in a twist over all the myriad possibilities and what-ifs.  If the guy is an ass, he won't get hired at UCLA.  I remember the list circulated when that shitheel Lavin was on his way out.  It was composed of young, up and coming coaches -- not "names".  I think Guerrero is a hell of a good AD and will make the right decision.  Let's not antagonize the guy who brought Howland and Savage to UCLA -- after all, he didn't go after Rick Pitino like his predecessor did.

by smayhew on Oct 11, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, this is fun
Compared to the stuff we're usually forced to talk about. Wish I had something original to suggest, but Chris Petersen has been my fantasy choice for some time now. Give him five years, and UCLA football will be formidable, not laughable. No more Wyoming, Utah, ND fiascos!
Incidentally, as one who owned an early copy of Dianetics (where is that thing?) and heard L. Ron Hubbard speak a couple of times, I don't think Scientology is a factor, one way or the other. Although I got off that bus long, long ago, I don't see it as anything to worry about.

by Oldguy on Oct 11, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Neuheisel
66-30 Record, UCLA background, recruits like nobodies business, former head coach, and we would want it!

by bruingrad1999 on Oct 11, 2007 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And he leaves....
Everywhere he's been either on probation or in a total mess.  I know he is a Bruin, but if you look at his pattern he wins with someone elses players, then when the team consists primarily of his recruits they die - it happened in Colorado when Gary B came in and it happened in UW when he left as well.
I am a big proponent of Jim L., but if that doesn't work and DG wants to go the NFL route I would look at Mike Singletary, Russ Grim and even Mike Marx.
"Failing to Prepare is Preparing to Fail"

by Griffin1 on Oct 11, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would respectfully decline on Neuheisel.
(1)  Rick did not stay more than 4 years as a HC in either Washington (1999-2002) or Colorado (1995-1998).

(2)  In both instances, Neuheisel did very well with returning players, but his win-loss records drop significantly afterwards:

Colorado
1995 -- 10-2/ 5-2 -- T-2nd in Big 8.
1996 -- 10-2/ 7-1 -- 2nd in Big 12.
1997 -- 5-6/ 3-5 -- SEASON FORFEITED due to use of ineligible player (0-11/ 0-8).
1998 -- 8-4/ 4-4 -- 4th in Big 12.

Washington
1999 -- 7-5/ 6-2 -- 2nd in Pac-10
2000 -- 11-1/ 7-1 -- T-1st in Pac-10
2001 -- 8-4/ 6-2 -- T-2nd in Pac-10
2002 -- 7-6/ 4-4 -- 4th in Pac-10

(3)  Neuheisel also has a record of multiple NCAA recruiting violations, as shown in this 2002 article: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/90356_husk09.shtml


While Colorado was placed on two years probation, had its scholarships reduced by five and had its recruiting visits restricted, Neuheisel was prohibited from participating in any off-campus recruiting until May 31, 2003.

The committee found Neuheisel repeatedly broke recruiting rules during his tenure in Boulder, and Colorado failed to properly monitor his activity.

...

"I had my day in Philadelphia (when he met with the infractions committee)," Neuheisel said. "I made it clear that I never deceived anybody, nor was I dishonest. I thought, very honestly, I was acting within the rules. I was just trying to -- as the NCAA likes to put in quotations -- to be creative, and find ways to win recruiting battles legally."

...

This is the second time Neuheisel has been sanctioned for recruiting violations since arriving at the UW. He was found guilty of a number of secondary violations shortly after he arrived in 1999.

...

The report said that many of the violations involved illegal contact with prospects -- termed "bumping" -- during non-contact periods in the spring. While bumping is considered a secondary violation, the number of incidents constituted a major violation, the report said.

...

As much as I remember Skippy from his days as our QB coach, and wouldn't have minded seeing him take over for TD, I just don't think he's the best fit for us after CTS.

I am open to changing my mind, if anyone would like to offer another take.

M

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Oct 11, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skippy and the Towel Man!
jeez, sounds like a bad "Traveling Wilburys" song, now, doesn't it?  
But hey, Kezirian is 1 - 0 lifetime, and sheeyit, it WAS a bowl game, after all!

This is a job for someone to do some scouting.  Hopefully DG is up for the task - at least vicariously.  

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 11, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Neuheisel's defense
He probably wouldn't be able to do well ever with the mess that CTS will be leaving behind.  That should change his pattern to some extent.

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KD-Rick connection?
Wasn't KD Rick's go-to WR when they both played at UCLA?  Aren't they friends?  I don't see Rick replacing his buddy KD going over well...

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After Lavin
I though nothing at UCLA would be hard to believe anymore.

Then...BAM!...we got KD!  7 years of Lavin, 5 years of KD.  Over a decade worth of crappy coaching.

I don't mean to be morbid, but how many loyal, dedicated Bruin fans have since gone to the Great Powder Blue In The Sky in those 12 years?

by bluegold on Oct 11, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just looked this up and WOW
That is an interesting tidbit.

I highly doubt Rick would be willing to replace his buddy, Karl.  While I would be interested in bringing Rick on board, I don't think it will work politically.

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick N was recently critical of the WCO
Rick N was quoted a few weeks ago (after the Utah disaster?)in the LAT as saying that the WCO really doesn't work in college, that besides being intricate to execute it spreads the ball around and doesn't "feature" your star players, which in the college game is really what you want to do. It was intresting that he volunteered that comment since it was a damning criticism of his lil buddy KD.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Oct 11, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not trash DG
I am not willing to believe for a second that someone who played varsity baseball at UCLA has no football acumen. A jock is a jock. DG does not operate in a vacuum, he has to take into account political situations and public perception. I know he will do right by UCLA.
BR> The problem will not be getting a rah-rah coach or a fundamentals coach. The trick will be to get a coach who knows his limitations and shortcomings and is able to make up for those by hiring great assistants instead of rejects. No one coach will be perfect, but a staff as a whole can be great.

by tasser10 on Oct 11, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Down with Bruin Blue = Peterson will suffice
New blood in the program.  But it would not kill me to have Rick N, I think he woud be a good antidote to Pom Pom.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Oct 11, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The New Coach
I seem to recall when DG fired Toledo Norm Chow's name along with Mike Riley kept poppping up as a possible canididate for the head coaching job.

Rick Nuehiesel seem;s like he might be a good fit but than again the violations that happend at COlorado do worry me just a little.

The West Coast Offense is on its way out with more and more temas starting to run spread offenses.

by Bruin10 on Oct 11, 2007 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like the idea of Chow
Why do we need to hire someone associated with SUC?  I know Walker has SUC roots, but c'mon there are others out there. We can do this without SUC people.  Let SUC take the Jim Saia's of the world, we'll find someone else.

by bruinliv on Oct 11, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Johnson, HC at Navy
I've posted before about my candidates, so I'll throw a new name into the mix.

Paul Johnson at Navy.  He has taken two struggling programs (Navy and Georgia Southern) and turned them into immediate winners.  He's won titles in the I-AA level at Georgia Southern and has gone 35-15 in his last 4 years at Navy, with a 4-2 start this year.

I know people will immediately knock the fact that he runs the triple option at Navy.  But keep in mind, that is an ideal offense for a team that is smaller and less talented than their opponents.  He has run the spread offense in the past and was Hawaii's OC from '87-'94.  So, he can be flexible with his offensive schemes and is not wed to one system.

It may not be a popular option, but I just wanted to throw out someone new.

by hspigskinfan on Oct 11, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it!
I was in favor of Chow until you brought up Paul Johnson. Good call, I've changed my vote!

Coached a damn good game against Pitt the other day. His team was obviously less talented, undersized, had a cruddy kicker and still managed to control the clock, wear the more talented defense down and shoved the ball down their throat! When they threw, they went spread and it was like a left hook! AWEOME! LOVE smash mouth football and a little spread to throw coaches off their rocker! Simple, tricky and well executed.

GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 11, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I'm really surprised his name hasn't been mentioned that much.  It was mentioned once on BRO, but immediately retracted because he ran the triple option.  If you looked at his resume, you would see that he has experience running a spread and option attack.  The combo of those two with our athletes (i.e. Rasshan) would be deadly.

In terms of credentials, I'll just let his bio speak for itself:

"Johnson's .744 career winning percentage (99-34) ranks 10th among all active coaches....Johnson came to Navy from Georgia Southern, where he posted a 62-10 (.861) record, won two-straight I-AA National Championships (1999 and 2000), five-straight Southern Conference Championships and was named the Division I-AA National Coach of the Year four-consecutive times (1997-2000)."

by hspigskinfan on Oct 11, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Has he run anything besides the triple option? At Georgia Southern perhaps?

The reason I ask is because Howland had show how a great coach adapts to fit his players and their strengths. I'm curious if Johnson is a one trick pony, or really finding a scheme that his players can execute.

by Nars on Oct 11, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Paul Johnson
Paul Johnson also was the Naval Academy's offensive coordinator in 1995 and 1996 and he used spread offense during that time. I don't know the reason why he uses the triple option now. But, Navy utilizes the triple option pretty well. I think they have the most rushing yards so far this season. The triple option works quite well too with his players because his starting QB was converted from a wide receiver and his backup was converted from a running back. So the triple option makes use of their mobility. At least we know he can make QB's out of wide receiver and running backs and not the other way around like Dorrell.

by uclachem87 on Oct 11, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Paul Johnson
You brought up a very important point. He ADAPTED his system to his team! AMEN! He's got my vote!
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 12, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read above posts
He runs primarily an option running attack at Navy.  But, he also throws in spread passing formations.  He employed a spread-option attack at Georgia Southern and I'm assuming some variation of it while at Hawaii.

by hspigskinfan on Oct 11, 2007 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great call
He's an interesting candidate and I like the idea. He's someone I'm not willing to call my favorite and if I were DG it would take a loooong interview to get a feel for the guy, but we should definately look into him. In light of this post I'm going to put together a poll on coaches and what we want in one in the coming hours then have a refined list of candidates by tomorrow hopefully.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 11, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget
the Pirate King, Mike Leach. I mentioned his name in a thread not long ago and several posters knocked him for his team's defensive lapses. I checked out the Texas Tech blog on SBN and they had a post in July this year addressing the problems that Leach has had, and it looks as if they addressed a lot of the same concerns expressed by BN posters. Their opinion seems to be that his defensive lapses are mostly due to the failure to recruit elite defensive talent, which may be due either to Leach's inability to recruit or what seems more likely to me, his failure to beat Texas, Oklahom and other Big 12 powerhouse programs for the kind of defensive talent that can stop top-tier offenses. What I like about Leach based upon what I have seen and read is that he has taken two-star talent and succeeded in creating a genuinely dangerous offensive team that innovates and looks for ways to minimize the talent gap. IIRC he was also Oklahoma's OC when Josh Heupel was QB and he has never had a losing season at Texas Tech, a pretty solid achievement IMHO.

by ucladj89 on Oct 11, 2007 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me started
I have been in enough productions of Pirates of Penzance to be able to sing most of "For I Am A Pirate King."  

by Fox 71 on Oct 12, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turned around two different programs
And coached with a different style at each school to ultilize the most out of his personel.  

Gee, sounds an awful lot like another coach I know...

by Free the 16 on Oct 12, 2007 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time in current job
Butch Davis has only been at North Carolina for one year. Brian Kelly has only been at Cincinatti for one year. If that fact is a factor in whether or not we get Davis, I don't see why it's not a factor in hiring Kelly, even if he is working his way up the ladder. It's not absolutely impossible either would leave, but I would guess the chances are about equal for both of them.

by jaffa on Oct 11, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine in Davis' case
Perhaps he could leave, but I would bet there is a huge buyout in place.  So that would leave us, paying the buyout, paying a new coach and paying KD.  I don't see it happening.

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides any possible buyout
The situation in can't have deteriorated in one year to a point where he'd want to leave, especailly as there hasn't been any sort of administrative change. I was thinking of the question in the original post: "Is it absolutely impossible that Butch Davis would consider leaving Carolina after one year for this challenge?" Kelly should be put in that same category, and I just haven't noticed that yet, as if people are thinking Kelly would happily and easily come. That thinking may not be the case, but that's why I keep reiterating that Kelly was only hired last year for his current job.

by jaffa on Oct 11, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dennis Green
What are your thoughts on Dennis Green.  By the way, I would prefer no coach associated with Donahue and the crowd that was responsible for hiring Dorrell...

by Gary72 on Oct 11, 2007 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read Tony Dungy's book.
Tony Dungy thinks highly of Dennis Green (although I don't remember if he said why.)  But if Tony thinks highly of Dennis Green, then that's a pretty good endorsement.

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way
He is who you think he is. A bad NFL coach.

by Nars on Oct 11, 2007 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ABD
I never thought I would be saying this, but at this point my mantra is ABD - ANYBODY BUT DORRELL.

I appreciate all the thoughts expressed in the comments made before me.  I also know I should be more selective and concerned we get the right coach this time.  But, I just can't watch another coaching fiasco (Utah, ND, Arizona, Wyoming, Fresno State, Florida State, etc. etc. etc.).  Wasn't Fox's wife supposed to be considered?  Could she do any worse?

by Bruin77 on Oct 11, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a few other
Definate "nos" as well:

Chow
Ken Norton, Jr.
Neuheisal
Sark @ SC

I'm sure there are others...

by Free the 16 on Oct 11, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Mrs. Fox 71 is out
She has asked to be taken off the short list at UCLA (but she received a few feelers from Michigan until they started winning.)

by Fox 71 on Oct 11, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is childish, but...
when I started Dynasty Mode on NCAA Football 2008 at the beginning of the season, the first thing I did was replace the default UCLA coach with "Chris Petersen" -- wishful thinking.  I might be cynical in thinking that we still won't pay top dollar for a big-name coach so I don't want our soon-to-be-vacated head coaching job going to someone who'll view the position as a stepping-stone to a bigger gig.  We're fortunate that Ben Howland's dream job is here at UCLA because we still don't pay him what other big-name coaches make.  I think Petersen is a fresh face with California roots who'll thrive at UCLA.  Someone brought up the possible difficulty he might have at an institution with higher academic standards, but all I can imagine is his offense being run with superior athletes than the ones he has in Boise.  He has Urban Meyer potential and could be the face of our program for years to come.

by ishXdavid on Oct 11, 2007 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

its neu
Dudes... its not even a choice.
There's no mystery here.
The next UCLA coach is Rick Neuheisel, and thats all there is to it.
Mark it down, take it to the bank.
Peace.

by thunderchiken on Oct 12, 2007 6:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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