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[FRESH UPDATE V] Change is Brewin' for Bruins

Bumped again with fresh update from Fox 71 below

Bumped. While it is good news that reports rumors are surfacing that DG is talking about immediate removal of Dorrell and considering the possibility of Walker as the "interim coach," we will make something clear: we are not going to accept Walker as a permanent option at UCLA. Walker can stay through rest of the season, but we need a clean house next season. Period. GO BRUINS. -N

Nice little nugget from the Sportingnews.com, suggesting that Walker may have had a discussion with DG about becoming an interim head coach.

Perhaps all the hard work by BruinsNation and DD are paying off.

It's near the end of the article titled "If Callahan goes, Nebraska can't blow it again."

Here's the link to the full story and here is the UCLA mention:

Change is brewin' for Bruins

The next few games are critical to Karl Dorrell's future at UCLA.

A source told me that UCLA AD Dan Guerrero met with Bruin defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker last week during the team's off week to discuss the possibility of Walker taking over as interim coach this season if Dorrell is let go early.

Presumably, if Walker does well, he would be given strong consideration to become the head coach. Walker's defense has been strong since he arrived in Westwood before the 2006 season. He long has been considered a strong head coaching candidate, with his extensive background in the NFL. The guy is good.

I like the idea of firing KD now and giving Walker the interim head coaching job.  Players seem to like playing for Walker.  However, with that said, I don't "love" the idea because Guerrero may be tempted and/or pressured (for various reasons) to give any interim head coach the permanent job, and I want UCLA to hire a PROVEN HEAD COACH.

The days of UCLA "experimenting" with unproven head coaches (Lavin and Dorrell) needs to be a thing of the past.  It's just burned us too badly.  Also, DG still needs to prove to us his commitment to football.

Go Bruins!

UPDATE - N: I am glad we blockquoted the relevant excerpt. Looks like the excerpt in question has now been removed. Someone must have gotten to Dienhart. Things are happening out there folks. So please stay on these stories. And every time you notice something make sure you blockquote the germane part, instead of just linking to the story. Let's keep the heat on. GO BRUINS. -N

UPDATE II -N:From Perelman at What's Bruin:

UCLA sports information director Marc Dellins said this afternoon, "This story is categorically untrue. We have asked that it be removed from the SportingNews.com Web site." As of 1:35 p.m. Pacific time, the segment of Dienhart’s blog entry concerning UCLA had, in fact, been removed. I have no problem with this. Its a standard denial. But it certainly doesn't deny the now obvious fact that the Dorrell is now on a scorching hot seat. This kind of rumor usually doesn't come up by accident. What's that old saying, where there is smoke, there is fire. Yadi, yada, yada. GO BRUINS. -N

UPDATE III - N: Now Dienhart adds this in his comment thread (emphasis mine): UCLA admits that its A.D. met with a Bruin assistant last week for "personal development" reasons. Uhm, Karl looks like Dan might be working on "disciplining" your "resources." Get that resume polished if I were you. GO BRUINS. -N

UPDATE IV -N: As BruinCore notes in the comment thread now Dohn tries his hand at damage control: The meeting with Walker and Guerrero was scheduled weeks ago, and it was decided the end of last week was best because Guerrero was out of town early in the week, and football was having a bye.
Trying to draw some sort of significance out of the fact that a meeting took place between the two of them at an eatery in Westwood is irresponsible. It's like trying to connect dots that do not deserve to be connected.
If the meeting was so significant to the future of Karl Dorrell, why isn't the other number of meetings between Guerrero and Walker under the same could of suspicion.
Quite frankly, it was an irresponsible report that was quickly pulled. Trying to read further into it, and to suggest it had to have some validity because the two met, is irresponsible. Is there anything more damning about the validity of a report than it being pulled off the internet?
I know some folks are not happy with Dorrell, but to try and turn this into something big is my basic problem with message boards/blogs/ect. Sure Brian we have nothing to see here. I am sure there is no heat on Dorrell as you would like us to believe. And I am sure just like you told us Dorrell should get six years to prove himself at UCLA. And what's up with that dig against blog/message boards. Someone besides Karl is feeling a little insecure these days. Sheesh. GO BRUINS.

UPDATE V: From Fox 71 (emphasis from our Opera Man):

I sent Deinhart an e-mail:

"I am a hard core Bruin. Like many of my friends and fellow alums, I believe that our current coach is the worst ever at UCLA and currently the worst football coach in the country. Naturally, I was delighted to hear that you had reported that Athletic Director Guerrero had met with Defensive Coordinator Walker to discuss the idea of Walker's becoming interim coach. The obvious conclusion from that discussion is that the current coach (whose name I simply cannot bring myself to type) would be fired.

Then it came out that Sporting News had deleted the comment about the meeting and the discussion of an "interim coach."

Please clarify the situation. I assume you did not make up the entire conversation. So would you clarify the situation? What were you told? I assume you are unwilling to identify the person who gave you the information, but naturally I would like to know that as well.

Thank you."

His reply puts all this back on the front burner:

"I had a good source, believe me. But, I should have cleared things with DeWayne.

If things go south the next few weeks, things will get interesting. The defense is fine. UCLA was HOT that I posted that nugget. They do admit there was a meeting, but they say it was for "personal development." Yeah, whatever.

What does most of Bruin Nation think? If there is a change, who do you want as coach?"

What say you Mr. Dohn? GO BRUINS.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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ha ha
I was rushing over here to post that link as a comment in the latest bn article....  that's pretty sensational news.... a good sign.

I admit I got excited for a minute about D.Walker as a next coach but it wore off already and you are right that is unacceptable.  

------ formerly bruinmikeh

by bruinduro on Oct 16, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

we just posted this as well ... lets not forget
that we also experimented with Larry Farmer (national champion Bruin!) and Walt Hazzard (also national champion Bruin!) who were both unmitigated disasters as no-prior-experience Bruin alum head coaches ... and were fired.  Hiring unproven coaches is not what we do well at all (actually Vermiel is the one exception ... Donahue is a wash). What we do well, as was proven as far back as 50 years ago with Wooden all the way to as recently as Ben Howland, is hire OUTSIDE the program proven winning head coaches.  That is how we have won championships!! Why change what has been working for 50 years to go with was has failed us time and time again?!!! It makes no sense.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also
We also experimented with this guy:



And then Michigan had their disasters with Steve Fisher and Brian Ellerby. I know different sports but same principle should apply.

I will not be cool with Walker as a permanent HC at UCLA. No way.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bluestreet,
Happy Halloween to you too! That was scary!
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 16, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add Toledo too
I was referring to the original post that already mentioned Lavin. But seeing that picture brings the point home.  Toledo had some good years but we all know where we ended up with him. He was just another example of how experiments with on the job training in college football go bad.  

I wish Toledo the best at Tulane and Walker the best wherever he may head should we clean house (although Im not entirely opposed, YET, to the idea of Walker staying with a new offensive minded head coach ... but Walker has to prove himself still.)

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
I am not yet opposed to not letting DW back if he can function well with a newer HC, but obviously, out of loyalty to CTS and out for espect for what will likely be a difficult political situation among the players, DW may not want to come back if CTS is let go.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops -- that's "not yet opposed"...
... not "not yet not opposed."  Too much flan at lunch giving M sugar-coma-induced typos today.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the tequila shooters after the flan
Look at your comment and your correction of the comment.  There are about 20 "nots" in there.  I haven't figured out how many cancel out how many others.  But it looks like you want Coach Toledo fired from Tulane.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DW is a respectable DC and recruiter.
I'd like to keep him where he is too. But I still want to know why we shouldn't reunite him with Norm Chow. Heck, we can't argue that they did a bad job rebuilding SC from the ashes of Paul Hackett. If the scandal at SC gets worse, why wouldn't they transfer to UCLA? (We'll, ok, at least the ones who can spell their names).
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 16, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to hear
...traversing the country over the last year, I've talked to many a Bruin supporter who feels comfortable and connected with Walker's abilities in different ways, mostly in how the D has taken on a whole new persona -- and the dramatic improvements over years past.  It ain't perfect (maybe far from it), but the UCLA defense, while certainly over-hyped at times, was definitely born again hard under Coach Walker.  

Not looking past recent ROUTS at Utah, ND (and an unacceptably leaky secondary earlier in the year), KD's serial 3-and-outs have literally left Walker and Co. out on the field to ROT for 30-40 minutes a game, hardly the rest and reward a turnover/scoring-oriented defense needs to run at 150% per down.

Now, we just have to see whether Walker can take his game to a new level under a new HC next season.  Either way, we win once KD leaves.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah right
The UCLA AD does not have the balls to fire Dorrell mid-season.

by BruinAficionado on Oct 16, 2007 12:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That may be true
But these leaks are not happening by accident I think. And its a signal to KD that he may as well start polishing his resume now.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO
Walker will be a hell of a head coach...in 5-10 years. We gotta get a guy with head coaching experience this time or at least a top notch coordinator who has been a coordinator for more than 2 years. I love Walker and think he's got a great football mind and all his players love him, but he's only in his 2nd year as a coordinator. He's still learning how to be a coordinator. Let him get that down before he goes on to HC.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 16, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
All in all, DW has not even had THREE full years as a coordinator, let alone as an HC

It is FAR too early to tell whether he can be a great HC or not.  I sincerely hope he can be, SOMEDAY.

That being said, I just don't think DW should get the reins here.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mind you, DW also had one year as a DC...
... at MOUNT SAC.

Ugh.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
but does he interview well? Plus I think he might be good with birthdays.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 16, 2007 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are all better off if CTS goes.
It doesn't matter if it's Dwayne Walker or Jimmy Walker or Junior Walker (with or without the All-Stars.)  We are better off with anyone other than CTS, in my opinion.

We have talked about excising the cancerous tumor and other such analogies.  But it's important to think about who comes after CTS.  In my opinion, Coach Walker does not fulfill the criteria.  Plus, he seems to have his own set of problems.  the defense is 42nd in points per game and 52nd in pass yards allowed.  That's not very good.

But as I said, I'll take Coach Walker over CTS.  But like so many others, I can't find a lot of head coaching experience in his resume.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This Is Definitely Something........

If the "source" in question is indeed reliable.  While Walker may be a suitable candidate for the short term, we need a big-name PROVEN coach to take the reigns next year.  Still, it would seem like a wild move by DG to take action now (as opposed until after Dec. 1) but if we were to get hammered by Cal this Saturday it might be enough.  We'll see.

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Oct 16, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Taking action
First, let me reiterate.  There is nothing in the rules that says you can't kill a police captain who's involved with drugs and there is nothing in the rules that says you can't fire a coach in mid-season. It has happened in the past.

But here's a tidbit.  Going into the season, CTS had a lifetime record of 29-21, or a 581 winning percentage.  If Cal beats us on Saturday as expected, it would put CTS at 4-3 this year.  4-3 translates to a 571 winning percentage.  Thus, a loss to Cal and CTS's overall record would be worse than when he started the year.  All DG would have to say is "This year's results show that the team's record has not improved this season, [insert usual BS when a coach is fired], and so we've decided to make a change."

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox, wait a minute...
... we're talking about a crooked coach mixed up in plastic bracelets.  We're talking about a dishonest coach who got caught up in the weblogs and got what was coming to him. That's a terrific story. Now we got newspaper people on the payroll don't we, Fox?

(Fox, you're cracking me up, man.)

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya know, Clemenza, Mikey's right
Hey Mikey, did they tell ya what to do with the bracelet after you do it?  You drop it and walk out.  OK?  The bracelet's not traceable.  Tessio's men will have it behind the water closet just outside DG's office.  But as soon as you do it, drop the bracelet and walk out.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never wanted this for you...
I work my whole life - I don't apologize - to get good football tickets for my family.  And I refused to be a fool, dancing on the string held by all those CTO big shots.

I don't apologize - that's my life - but I thought that... that when it was your time... that you would be the one to watch us win something.  Pac-10 Champion Bruins.  Rose Bowl Champion Bruins.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"My athletes are crying out upstairs...
...I see coaches coming to my house. Athletic Director of mine, I think you should tell your Coach what everyone seems to know."

DG
I didn't tell the Media anything. I was about to call you just now and tell you.

CTS
But you needed a drink first. And now you've had your drink.

DG
The Chancellor called me from the causeway. You're fired.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good, but it should be clear...
... just as CHP was in BB, CTS is the same in FB.

CTS is not, cannot, and will never be the DON.

CTS = FREDO.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH TOTALLY
let us NOT get that twisted.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Carlo, was it Barzini?
Do you think that act you pulled with our football team can fool a hard core Bruin fan?  

Relax, I'm not going to hurt you.  Just tell me, was it the WCO or the lack of head coaching experience?

Well, in our case it was both.

(M and Fox, great thread man.  You guys are hilarious!)

by hspigskinfan on Oct 18, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlo, someone's got to answer for Sonny
And Karlo, someone's got to answer for the past five years.  I never had anything against you, CTS.  It's just business.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about DW-KD tension?
If the interim-coach rumour is true, wouldn't there be tension between these two?  It would be be a very poisonous environment to work under, not only for the coaching staff but for the players as well.  I'm sure the players also know about this.

And DG/administration brought all this about in the first place by offering the job to an incoherent, inexperienced joke of a candidate who just happened to be wearing a nice suit for the interview.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great point
I think it has to be pretty toxic down there now with this revelation and it may be DG giving a signal to KD that me might as well just leave and safe face now.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then May We Be
thoroughly hammered by Tedford's gang this week. Let the the temporary, fleeting pain of one meaningless loss to Cal on Saturday be the Salvation and Delivery we have prayed for from Karl "The Stubborn Jellyfish" Dorrell. Besides, CAL has other, more pressing business to tend to on the National Scene... we have urgent matters to resolve in Westwood.  

Walker will make an EXCELLENT IC, and at least a decent HC in a few years. I don't see throwing him overboard once an Experienced, Name Brand Rebuilder/Recruiter is hired. Unlike the hollow happy talk spewed by his boss for 5-years, Walker's results have been nothing if not tangible.  The UCLA defense went from the bottom of the barrel to the top 3rd in One Summer's time.  .. the guy earns his pay.  

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How amazing would it be?
We come out and play a horrible half vs Cal.  The team exits to boos.

And then the team comes out for the 2nd half.  Something is amiss.  Where is KD?  Then an announcement over the PA stating that Dorrell has been fired.

You want to talk about loud cheers?

by Free the 16 on Oct 16, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure
I still remember all the love affair around Lavin when he took the team to Elite 8 and then balled in the post game press conference. Hey, I fell for it. Totally guilty.

Last thing we need is Walker taking over, Bruins get an emotional boost, run the table, and then stink up the joint at the Rose Bowl, only to have Walker ball out in the post game press conference.

Don't underestimate the power of emotion. I think these kids can potentially play like gangbusters and win out on emotion if Walker takes over as the interim head coach, just for the thought of playing for their coach. It would mask all of Walker's deficiencies in terms of how his inability to scheme against spread Ds, as evidenced by him getting clowned by Utah.

So I don't feel comfortable with that idea at all.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I did not imply
I wanted DW to be HC.  If possible, I want no KD carryover in the new staff.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly the spread would be key
Let's say Walker is the coach and we get abused by Oregon, who runs the spread.  Makes it that much easier to find our next Head Coach.  Where it gets tricky is if we win out, especially if we do it in convincing fashion.

Seems to me there are some guys on the sidelines (Mariucci) who would be available immediately.  Not sure if that has ever been done before though.

by Free the 16 on Oct 16, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG
What a vision! I would hop on the 134E and stop on the the Arroyo Seco overpass to HOP AROUND, SCREAM and HONK MY HORN right in the carpool lane until my battery died and/or the CHP dragged me away in chains!!!!  They would probably forgive me when they found out why.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a positive sign
At least we know that CKD will be gone.  The important thing to stress is that Coach Walker will only be given consideration, or strong consideration, or whatever other meaningless words are thrown out there.  It's not a commitment, it really leaves the AD's options very open.

by razksig on Oct 16, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DW coaching under a new coach
I don't have any stats to back this up, but don't new head coaches usually bring in their own guys?  Is it often that new head coaches come in and keep members of the old staff around?  I know someone mentioned defensively-deficient Mike Leach somewhere, with the possibility of DeWayne Walker staying around, but it doesn't seem to me that this usually happens.  Does anyone know of cases where this has happened, and if it has worked well?
GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Oct 16, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It may not count
But Phil Jackson made Kurt Rambis an assistant coach after being the interim coach. Rambis took the place of Del Harris.

On another point, I can only assume that DW would perform much better  under any other coach than KD. I could only imagine how much better his defense would perform if they weren't on the field for the entire game. While I think DW is only serviceable, I do feel bad that he is probably held back by KD.

by BruinFan1 on Oct 16, 2007 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, I thinks MRS. Rambis...
... is really good friends with Jeannie Buss, so you can probably follow the trail there.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Urban Meyer
He seems to keep the previous DC in place when he becomes head coach. I'm not sure what he did at Bowling Green, but he kept Whittingham in place as DC at Utah (now their head coach), and kept Charlie Strong in place at Florida as DC, although wikipedia suggests he is now assistant-DC, whatever that means. I know this worked well in Utah, their defense was good in Meyer's couple years, and Whittingham was good enough to take the head job. I don't know much about Florida's defense, though, but as far as I know, they haven't been bad.

by jaffa on Oct 16, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strong
is the DC at Florida and the assistant head coach. It basically means he has his DC responsibilities but is also the top assistant.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 16, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read the article wrong
and I was using wikipedia. It's not surprising what I wrote wasn't fully correct. Looking at it while I'm not rushed, it says "Co-DC, assistant HC, and linebackers coach." I misread/typed co into assistant. Either way, his exact job title isn't the main point. Meyer kept him as DC when he took over at Florida, like he kept Whittingham at Utah. Doing a little digging, Meyer also kept Bowling Green's DC when he was hired for his first HC job. Maybe it's just him, but at least one coach does keep high-ranking members of the old staff. It wouldn't be a break from all coaching traditions to let DW stay at DC.

by jaffa on Oct 16, 2007 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be part of the interview
If he says he runs the defense at Texas Tech and will run the defense at UCLA, he's off the candidate list.  If he's willing to keep Walker or hire someone who has had success in the past, than he can still be considered.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 16, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A light ...
I see ... I see a light ... a beautiful light ... it's so close ... I can feel my pain subsiding as I approach it ... oh please, please DG, please, fire Karl Dorrell and end our suffering once and for all! PLEASE!

by BenIsTheMan on Oct 16, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If KD had an ounce of integrity and self-worth...
he should immediately resign.

If DG has indeed spoken to DW about being interim coach, and this is now out of the bag, KD should resign and tell DG to shove it.

I think this is what DG wants happen.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's remember
this is a report from "a source." It made my day too, but I'm trying to remind myself there is no confirmation this happened so don't get your hopes sooooooooooo far up. This is far from confirmation that a change will take place in the near future. We need to keep the heat on.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 16, 2007 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DON'T LOOK NOW...
I went back to the story and the part of the article discussing UCLA has [magically] been removed.  
Obviously, there can be one of two reasons for removing it.  Either (1) it is too close to the truth and the writer's source told him to take it down (which I'm hoping for) or (2) there's no truth to it whatsoever and the writer got called on it and had to remove it.
What say you, BruinsNation?

by razksig on Oct 16, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, geez, TSN really pulled it...
... this could get ugly.

I'm not talking 'Britney Spears on MTV Awards' ugly, I'm talking 'dogfighting and $C assistant coaches ugly.'

Fasten your lap-straps, everyone.

M

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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't Pass The Smell Test
I think we are all so focused on change that a rumor of this nature gets everyone's juices flowing. As noted above, the original story no longer contains the Dorrell/Walker reference.  Does it even make sense that DG would approach Walker about the possiblity of taking over mid-season before a decision had been made?

Remember, DG got burned with the Pitno stories a few years ago.  It has been reported that the Dorrell/Walker have a personal friendship that extends beyond the football field.  It wouldn't be prudent of DG having a "what if" conversation with Walker.  Sure Walker would be on the very short list if an interim coach is needed.  I just can't see DG approaching him until after a decision had been made.  As much as I would like it to be true, something just does not sound right about this story.

by Bruin77 on Oct 16, 2007 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction
It was Dalis who got burned by Pitino stories, not DG.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct me if I'm wrong,
but didn't Dalis openly anounce that he was talking to Pitino at some point?

by BruinFan1 on Oct 16, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeap
Dalis acknowledged that he contacted Pitino in a surreal press conference (following a report by Keith Olbermann on Fox Sports that UCLA boosters were reaching out to Pitino). Lavin used that press conference and report to play the victim card, pulled off an upset against Stanford at Maples, got to Steve-16, and bought himself 3 more years to completely destroy UCLA hoops.

Also the guy who came to Lavo's defense was Al Carnesale, who thankfully is no longer around.

by bluestreet on Oct 16, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, You're Right
It's been a while.  I got my AD's confused.  At least I didn't say it was JD Morgan.

by Bruin77 on Oct 16, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sporting News removed it?
That is horrible.

I read the article earlier with the blurb in the blockquote in the article. I look at it now, and it's gone. And I don't see any mention of the article being edited or altered. It just disappeared.

That's horrible on so many levels.

If Dienhart's source backtracked from the story, Dienhart should have written that. If someone from UCLA got to him, that's even worse, and Dienhart should have reported that. If his editors wanted to squash it, that's something more problematic about the integrity of The Sporting News.

Either way, the part about UCLA disappeared. And either way, it looks bad.

by gilbert on Oct 16, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks bad only if Morgan Center issues
this press release:

There is no truth to the Sporting News story appearing this morning.  DG is fully behind KD and the job he has done, and we are looking forward to KD returning in 2008 for another special UCLA football season.

If there is no public denial of the story, t

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks bad only if Morgan Center issues
this press release:

There is no truth to the Sporting News story appearing this morning.  DG is fully behind KD and the job he has done, and we are looking forward to KD returning in 2008 for another special UCLA football season.

If there is no public denial of the story, then there is some truth to it.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops
sorry for clumsy fingers.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Perelman's Blog
On the removal of the story:
"UCLA sports information director Marc Dellins said this afternoon, "This story is categorically untrue. We have asked that it be removed from the SportingNews.com Web site." As of 1:35 p.m. Pacific time, the segment of Dienhart's blog entry concerning UCLA had, in fact, been removed."

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 16, 2007 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Dienhart was wrong, he should so
If Dienhart was wrong, and doesn't trust his source, he should report that.

If Dienhart stands by his source, he should also say that.

Either way, just letting the report disappear is horrible journalistically.

by gilbert on Oct 16, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deinhart NOT necessarily wrong
Check this comment Deinhart made in the comment section .. Marc Dellins and Morgan Center did not deny this:

Note to readers: There was an item on UCLA's Karl Dorrell that was pulled. UCLA admits that its A.D. met with a Bruin assistant last week for "personal development" reasons.

This ads a bit of intrigue because obviously a meeting between DG and an assistant did occur. We have already said we dont believe the report for the obvious reasons, but then again .. some meeting did occur without Dorrell and that part Morgan Center is not denying.

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

correction
Morgan Center ADMITTED the meeting with "an assistant" about personal development without Dorrell present DID occur.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I say...
... HOLY (BLEEP).

M

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Personal development"
as in, "How do you think 'Interim HC' would look on your resume?"

It's not personal "discipline."  It's personal "development."

I don't care who denies the original story or says that it is "categorically untrue."  Unless it was pure fiction from the start, then it came from somewhere.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 16, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain to me
What "categorically" untrue is? Does that mean he defines the story so broadly that if there is a minor inaccuracy in what was reported that the entire thing is "categorically" false? Is this used for emphasis or is it just a "it's kind of true but kind of not" generalization that dilutes the truth of the message?

by Tydides on Oct 16, 2007 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

quite the opposite
what it means is that in every sense, every possible permutation, the report is wrong, ie absolutely untrue.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for clearing that up
Not that it makes me trust him any more.

by Tydides on Oct 16, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me handle this, DD.
I'm a trained professional.

"Categorically untrue" in this context means that if you check the list of everyone who has ever been in the state of California, there is no one named Dan Guerrero.  No one named Dan Guerrero has ever even heard of UCLA, or of any institution with the letters "U," "C," "L" or "A" in it.  And even if there were conceivably, hypothetically, someone named Dan Guerrero, it doesn't matter, because there are no persons, places or things that could be deemed to be a "Bruin Assistant" anyplace in the entire world.

The entire thing is ridiculous.  It's silly.  It's an mystery wrapped in an enigma, and stuff like that.

Or to put it another way, it did happen.  DG met with Coach Walker and floated the Interim Coach business, but Coach Walker wanted to think about it, so we can't say anything.

Again, kids, don't try to explain stuff like this at home.  It's not something for someone without a lot of training to try.  You could really hurt yourself.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groin Pull
You are correct, I got halfway through reading your answer and now I have a painful groin pull.

I'm doubtful for this weeks game

by artybruin on Oct 16, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Football players and KD
With the rumor mill going this way, you can imagine the players being distracted, and the announcers this Saturday will be full of it too. DW as an interim is tolerable and he might be a good HC, somewhere. I would vote big time to blow the whole thing up at seasons end and get the varsity coaching staff organized, and offer DW the DC position. I believed all along and do now that DG is on top of this situation and acting accordingly.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Oct 16, 2007 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Bill, Bill - Where did we go wrong.
What have we done to make us abandon us this way.  We gave you a good education.  We let you play with your friends.  You have almost unlimited time on the computer.  And look what you've done.  You're breaking our hearts.

Where is the evidence that DG has ever even heard of CTS?  Where is the evidence that DG is on top of anything having to do with football?  Has he fired CTS and we just haven't noticed?

Bill, I know you're going to say that a lot of your friends thing DG is on top of the situation.  But if your friends all jumped off a cliff, would you do the same?

But remember Bill, you can always come home.  We love you and will always forgive you.  Your room is just the way you left it, with the signed picture of DG on your wall.

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Take on the Meeting
Maybe the meeting between the AD and "an assistant coach" did not have anything to do with the potential of an interim appointment to head coach.  Maybe the AD is doing some fact finding on what the hell is wrong with the football program.  DG may have more confidence in the opinion of DW than he does KD.

Let's start some alternative speculation:

DW might ask for the meeting to discuss his future at UCLA (regardless of KD's future), he might be looking for advice on how to land a head coach job, maybe he wants to get into sports administration and is looking for a mentor.

DG might have asked to talk to DW to assure him he has a future at UCLA, to thank him for getting his son to commit, to get a sense of the feeling s of the football staff from a source other than KD.

I am sure others can think of a variety of reasons these two could have met that has nothing to do with the question of taking on the HC job on an interim basis.  Then again, that subject, while not likely, is also a possibility.

Any way you look at it, when a subordinate is meeting with your boss regarding his "personal development" it isn't a good sign.

by Bruin77 on Oct 16, 2007 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute
Is all this speculation about the meeting that categorically never happened.  But if it did, and it didn't, but if it did, we're not talking about it.  That meeting?

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dohn clarifies
What another bizarre set of events surrounding our football program.  We got 2 reports on what Morgan Center said was the truth, one on the LAT and one by Deinhart himself.  Neither were as clear as what Dohn just posted on his site.  Read it and wonder why couldn't Marc Dellins, UCLA SID, make this simple pre-planned meeting between Guerrero and Walker more clear, instead of using haiku "an assistant" and "personal development?"
The meeting with Walker and Guerrero was scheduled weeks ago, and it was decided the end of last week was best because Guerrero was out of town early in the week, and football was having a bye.

Trying to draw some sort of significance out of the fact that a meeting took place between the two of them at an eatery in Westwood is irresponsible. It's like trying to connect dots that do not deserve to be connected.

If the meeting was so significant to the future of Karl Dorrell, why isn't the other number of meetings between Guerrero and Walker under the same could of suspicion.

Quite frankly, it was an irresponsible report that was quickly pulled. Trying to read further into it, and to suggest it had to have some validity because the two met, is irresponsible.

Is there anything more damning about the validity of a report than it being pulled off the internet?
I know some folks are not happy with Dorrell, but to try and turn this into something big is my basic problem with message boards/blogs/ect.

Why didn't Mark Dellins just come clean and say it was a long ago pre-planned meeting between the two  and name Walker rather than use the cryptic "an assistant" tag?? Just bad news all around.  What a screwed up football program we have.

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lol at Dohn
And his attempt at damage control.

by Nestor on Oct 16, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
Funny how Dohn tries to erase any possible doubt that the meeting was about Dorrell's future.

It's pretty clear that Dohn is trying to protect his bread and butter.

by Ajax on Oct 16, 2007 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?
I know some folks are not happy with Dorrell, but to try and turn this into something big is my basic problem with message boards/blogs/ect.

A writer paid by the sporting news is now a blogger/message board poster? And has his post been pulled down too? I don't see anything on his site.

by sfatoo on Oct 16, 2007 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He posted his take
in his comment thread.

by Nestor on Oct 16, 2007 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup...
considering that a reliable (sports msm) news source stated that this meeting occurred, don't see how anyone in their right mind can criticize people for actually discussing the article.

If the work of a writer for the Sporting News is off limits, who are we supposed to trust? Not Foster/Dohn/Pucin... by that measure.

by bruinhoo on Oct 16, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of problems for Dohn
Why did this meeting have to be scheduled "weeks ago" if Guerrero and Walker meet relatively frequently, as Dohn's "other number of meetings between Guerrero and Walker" suggests? Couldn't they have talked about "personal development" (or whatever the meeeting actually was about) any of those other times? Just because it was scheduled weeks ago, doesn't mean the meeting wasn't about Walker taking over as interim head coach. If Guerrero was unhappy after the Utah game (which qualifies as "weeks ago"), he could have set up this meeting with Walker. Perhaps Guerrero should have acted sooner to sound out Walker as an interim, if he wanted to fire Dorrell mid-season, but it's better late than never.

Whatever is the case, it's not like Dorrell has been a great coach only to fall apart in the last few weeks, leading to this meeting. Dorrell's been bad for a while, plenty of time for this meeting to have been set up for a bye week that was determined years ago. Dohn's "report" doesn't do much for me.

by jaffa on Oct 16, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who goofed...
I've got to know.

Someone typed these words:

"A source told me that UCLA AD Dan Guerrero met with Bruin defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker last week during the team's off week to discuss the possibility of Walker taking over as interim coach this season if Dorrell is let go early."

It's very hard for me to believe that someone typed those words, specifically, "a source told me," and now we are supposed to pretend that no, no source told him anything about Walker and an interim coaching position.

B.S.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 16, 2007 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And for the unenlightened
Barnes is making the perfect reference to Jim Healey.

Which makes me think of "Bad team, man.  Bad &%^$#in' team."

But I think I've got this figured out.  The message that was typed and sent was sent as a text message by CTS, who thought he was firing the reporter.  That's the source of the confusion.

But seriously folks.  Wouldn't it be nice if Deinhart came out and said exactly what he was told, even if he won't say who told him.  Frankly, if "a source" told me that there was a meeting between DG and Coach Walker, I wouldn't have assumed the words "interim coach" came up came up in the meeting.  I don't know Deinhart, and I don't know if he makes stuff up or not.  But I can't believe anyone would just flat-out make up the subject of a discussion.

So what is it, Deinhart?  Are you a lying sack of you know what, or did "a source" really tell you that DG and Coach Walker talked about being an interim coach?  

by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any kind of innocent meeting
about Walker's development would have included KD.   DG is not in touch with the daily ins and outs of Walker's coaching performance.  Other than having KD input, DG would know jack about Walker's duties and functions and performance, or developmental issues.

The fact that KD was bypassed for this meeting, is anything but routine and innocuous.

While it is true that we should not read any more into this than there actually is, let's just say that this was not a normal meeting.

by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And if it was just a "normal" meeting
or a routine one as Dohn wants us to believe, then why didn't Dellins specify it as such in his communication to Dienhart?

by Nestor on Oct 16, 2007 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dohn Has to Step Up or Step Away
Why doesn't he use all of the special relationships he touts to ask some very direct questions to the people who really know the answers?

And, once he has those answers, why doesn't he give them to us?

I took him on last week -- how about some of you following up on  by asking Dohn some very pointed questions on this story.

Let's see how much he really knows. And, how much he's willing to tell.

sjh

PS. Wed, you can post questions for Dohn to answer. He answers later in the week.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Oct 16, 2007 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One final note
It is interesting that Morgan Center had a golden opportunity to say that Dorrell's job is safe or that Dorrell will be the head coach next year and didn't take it.  Instead, they gave this cryptic response to Deinhart.  That say a lot.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 17, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Deinhart speaks
I sent Deinhart an e-mail:  

"I am a hard core  Bruin.  Like many of my friends and fellow alums, I believe that our  current coach is the worst ever at UCLA and currently the worst football  coach in hte country.  Naturally, I was delighted to hear that you had  reported that Athletic Director Guerrero had met with Defensive Coordinator  Walker to discuss the idea of Walker's becoming interim coach.  The  obvous conclusion from that discussion is that the current coach (whose name  I simply cannot bring myself to type) would be fired.  

Then it came  out that Sporting News had deleted the comment about the meeting and the  discussion of an "interim coach."  

Please clarify  the situation.  I assume you did not make up the entire coversation.   So would you clarify the situation?  What were you told?  I  assume you are unwilling to identify the person who gave you the  information, but naturally I would like to know that as  well.

Thank you."

His reply puts all this back on the front burner:

"I had a good source, believe me. But, I should have  cleared things with DeWayne.

If things go south the next few weeks,  things will get interesting. The defense is fine. UCLA was HOT that I posted  that nugget. They do admit there was a meeting, but they say it was for  "personal development." Yeah, whatever.

What does most of Bruin Nation  think? If there is a change, who do you want as coach?"

So the question is who to believe?  A reporter from the Sporting News, who has no axe to grind and no butts to kiss to keep his access, or Morgan Center?  

by Fox 71 on Oct 18, 2007 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops
Forgot to add that the emphasis was added.

by Fox 71 on Oct 18, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox!
May I say, "WOW"?

This is a major, major scoop.  Excellent, excellent work!

I think this story needs to go out to your favorite rag, the LAT, among other news agencies.  The LAT might run with this.  Too f*ng bad if it embarrasses UCLA is what I say.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 18, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still can't believe he just deleted it
Dienhart should've printed the article to say what his e-mail did.

by gilbert on Oct 18, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox...
any problem with me sending the link to your scoop to the LAT, with your love, of course?

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 18, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know my view about the fishwrap
Here is my second exchange of e-mails with Deinhart, in which he said I could publish his reply:

Mine to him (I'm replying to his question about replacement coaches.)

"There have been LOTS of posts as to who we want.  I am one of those who wants CTS (that's Coach Toledo's successor - I can't bring myself even to write his name) gone immediately.  I think the team is better off the minute he leaves, even if it's two minutes before kickoff.  Lots of people say you can't fire a coach in mid-season.  I just point out the wisdom of Michael Corleone:  "Who says you can't kill a crooked cop who's mixed up in drugs?"

Much has been said to the effect that UCLA won't spend the big bucks needed for a top line coach.  I don't think that's necessarily true, but I have no inside info whatsoever.  But I think the consensus is that Dan Guerrero should set his sights high.  Why not Steve Spurrier, for example.  There has been talk of Leach from Texas Tech, and obviously Peterson from Boise State.  One of the regular contributors to the Bruin Nation pointed out that the prettiest girl in school won't go to the prom with you if you don't ask her.

I suggest that you take a look at the BN.  There are plenty of ideas in there for stories, in my opinion.  The commentary is good, and if it isn't fact-based, it basically gets laughed off.

Now, one more question.  Would you mind if I quoted your reply in the BN?  A lot of people would be interested.  Thanks."

His reply was that I could post his reply, but I only asked to post it on BN.

"I could see Leach. He is a bit of an odd duck and I hear he isn't beloved in Lubbock. I think he would listen and consider bolting if the money/situation were right.

Petersen is an obvious choice. How about Bobby Hauck of Montana? I think Terry Bowden would be interested--but that seems to be a reach.

I, too, always here UCLA is tight. Remember: You USUALLY get what you pay for.

Yeah, go ahead and post my reply.

Stay in touch and let me know what Bruin Nation is thinking. Do you know the names/numbers of any influential boosters?"

I don't know.  Obviously the fishwrap could look here if they wanted to.  But so could the DB, and I would much rather give the scoop to the DB reporter who took on CTS than to some douchebag at the fishwrap.  For crying out loud, the fishwrap could have sent the same e-mail I did to Deinhart.

If you want to send his reply to the fishwrap, I think it would be best to ask him.  He responded to my e-mails much faster than I would have expected.  

by Fox 71 on Oct 18, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just emailed
him for his permission to refer media outlets to BN to read his replies.  

The information is, of course, publicly available right now, but it's nice to ask.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 18, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The LAT sucks
but Perelman is pretty good.  I read his blog all the time and really enjoy it.  I wouldn't mind giving him the scoop.  The LAT needs to run with this story because--let's face it--for sports in L.A., they are it.  I am sure most influential people in L.A. read the LAT and this story deserves exposure.

I'll let you know if I hear back from Dienhart.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 18, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perelman
I know him personally (at least I did years ago), and he's a good man.  He's pro-UCLA through and through, but won't regurgitate the company line.
Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Oct 19, 2007 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nick-knack
patty-whack GIVE A DOG A BONE!!!!

YOU GO FOX!!!! GO!!!!!!!

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 18, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I raise my question again...tension?
I'm sure KD is not THAT clueless regarding the the DG/DW meeting.  There should be thick tension between KD and DW right now.  How could the two work together these days?

Not to mention, I'm sure the players are not oblivious to this matter.

KD could run to the chancellor (a la Lavin) to plea his case.

There's one last scenario:  DW could have told DG to shove it, he's not taking any interim job, he's sticking by KD, the whole team then rallies around KD, UCLA wins out, KD gets a 10-year extension.

by bluegold on Oct 18, 2007 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of tension
I still believe DW can have a great defense, if he learns to defend the spread in the next few weeks. And I believe that he is pissed at KD and Norvell for basically screwing up the offense and putting his D in a bad spot nearly every game.

KD can run to the chancellor, but he ain't getting squat from him! Carnesale is gone, the new chancellor comes from UVa. I doubt he'd be a sympathetic ear...

by tasser10 on Oct 19, 2007 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH man...
... if this turns into yet ANOTHER BN-to-LAT news story, I may get a migraine.

WHOA.

M

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Oct 18, 2007 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Effing Brilliant!!!
Man, we BREAK NEWS!! We've all done it so many times this year too.  Love it, love it, love it. Deinhart is not backing down either, awesome, his editor obviously did.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 18, 2007 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way
there is no way Walker would have cleared Deinharts news.  So, Im happy he didn't go there because if he did we would probably not know anything about this.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 18, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geezer Power! Geezer Power!! Geezer Power!!!
Fox, great job!

Boy have you made the MSM look like shit -- and I love it.

Dohn runs the party/apologist line.

Fox goes for the truth.

Done is either too lazy, or so in the pocket of the AD that he can't even send an email or lift a phone to do what Fox did.

Dohn you poser -- you've been punked by book ends -- a kid at the Daily Bruin and an OLD Man on BN.

Geezer Power!

sjh

by Class of 66 on Oct 18, 2007 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aw, shucks
It's nothing that anyone with a Pulitzer Prize nose for news (plus an extensive background in Gilbert and Sullivan operettas) couldn't have done.

Excuse me - Hillary is holding on line 2 and Rudy is holding on line 1.

by Fox 71 on Oct 18, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!
Thank you SOOOO much!  You just made my day.  DG better get to it.  I give him the benefit of the doubt but if he doesn't get rid of KD, then all the good will he built up with Howland and Savage goes down the drain in my book.  I'll take DG's inaction as blatant neglect.  

DW is an OK DC.  He is not the answer.  We need somebody with a proven track record that knows what he is doing and that can actually coach and develop kids.  

by BlueReign on Oct 18, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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