The Walker Conundrum
What is the real story? What is a fair reaction?
When I find myself disagreeing with people whose work I respect, I try to think our differences through before posting.
I have several concerns that I'd like to articulate -- concerns that make it impossible to either attack or support Walker on the "backstabbing" issue.
Let me put my thumb on the scale up front. I want CTS gone now. I don't want DW as next year's HC. But, if getting rid of CTS, now, means giving DW a slight edge in the replacement search, I'm willing to run that risk.
Second thumb, I'd much prefer we bring in an "outside" interim coach. However, I'll give DG enough credit to assume that he is running those traps and either: no one wants to come, or, DW is the best choice of a thin bunch.
I'd love to believe that DG is actively involved in looking for an interim solution.
If he is, neither he, nor DW should be castigated or punished for doing so. It's exactly what many of us have been asking for.
Going "inside" for an interim replacement other than the towel guy raises the chance that DW is seen as disloyal to CTS. Going inside puts DW in a bad position.
Replacing people with people who work for them is not new or unique to the football field. It happens everywhere in all businesses. It is a part of life. I've seen writers removed from their work and "re-written". I've seen lawyers taken out of the first chair at a trial and replaced by "subordinates". Most of the time, people suck it up and go forward. In all cases, success is the goal and the personnel change, if made in good faith, is geared toward achieving success.
So, I'll not fault either DG or DW for allegedly discussing a mid-season change.
In fact, many of us have been faulting DG for appearing to not be considering an interim change.
There is a significant problem with going "inside" at a time like this. Weak coaches will make sure to hire weak assistants -- so that there is no one who can take over when they fail. the lizard of Westwood is notorious for surrounding himself with people who would never be a threat.
An AD who makes an interim switch like this, more than once, may find it difficult to convince his coaches to put as much talent beside them as they can.
In this sense, DG had a hard decision to make before allegedly talking to Walker. If he did discuss an interim position, he was looking for a short term solution that might carry a long term cost -- depending on who the next coach might be.
I am willing to run that risk. I want and immediate, short term solution -- and if that solution has to be DW, so be it. I, for one, believe we will be better off THIS season with him rather than CTS.
I don't see how we can call for immediate change and then punish a logical, if not favored, choice for the interim coach by claiming he is being disloyal to CTS. That's not fair.
And, if the truth is that DG has put DW in an uncomfortable position -- asking him to step up and take over from the man who hired him, if we punish DW and call him names, no "insider" will ever step up and do what's best for the institution.
We all agree CTS must go. DW really has no horse in this race. He can stay on, hope his D plays well - even if we lose games -- and go to a new job, untarnished. The fault for the season will be KD's. DW will take a great risk if he takes an interim position. I for one will applaud him for taking the risk. Why create disincentives and potential disharmony by making him out to be Iago?
However, in fairness to those who are calling DW disloyal, the fact that he had the alleged conversation and that he allegedly is willing to step in, if called upon, does not seem to be the sole basis for the perjorative labels being pasted on him.
My good friends, with whom I disagree on this issue, seem to rely to a great extent on uncorroborated information that, in essence, DW is talking too much and that the talk is undermining CTS and the program.
I have two reactions to that -- one as a journalist (yes, Logan5, I have a background in investigative journalism and the next time you call someone out because they haven't had to put it all on the line -- like you say Dohn has -- you might want to know who you are calling out -- but no harm Logan5, I took your post as sarcasm.)
We do not have sufficient credible information to validate the backstabbing thesis. Fox's excellent follow up establishes that it is likely that the conversation between DG and DW occurred. If you accept the validity of "inside replacements" and if you have no reason to KNOW that DW -- in a self-serving manner -- initiated that column, and we have none, DW didn't do anything wrong, there.
So, it comes down to brother Dustball's comments about a phone call to OR.
In my eyes, that is not nearly enough to label DW a backstabber.
Dustball's comments are vague, second or third level hearsay, and interprative rather than direct. Even if the call occurred, we don't know what was said or how it was said. Frankly, a call to a very gifted athlete who many of us are afraid is lost on the bench ala Manny White, is not a crime, not insubordination and not backstabbing UNTIL someone makes clear to me that it was deliberately made to undermine CTS and capture his job.
Years ago, I was working on a documentary in which we ran into the Contra:cocaine connection. The story would have been a perfect fit -- but we couldn't use it. We had one credible source. The standard was 2 sources; we never found the second credible source. The story broke, several years later.
Obviously, the intrigue surrounding the "interim coach" issue is not on the same level as allegations that our goverment was in the drug business -- but, DW deserves more than to have his named smeared on the basis of uncorroborated facts.
It's probably the defense lawyer in me that makes me put up these posts. I've put them up before when members of this community were calling for immediate sanctions for Ward, and posting how upset they were with MJD over the beating story.
My thesis, then, as it is now, is that we really don't know enough to take a position. In those posts, I mentioned the Duke Lacrosse case and predicted that when the facts came in, many who had assumed their guilt, would be embarassed. And, I mentioned that the Duke players, no matter what they did with the rest of their lives, would always carry the stigma from the charges.
So, I respectfully disagree with the interpretation of the DW/DG situation being propounded by some of my friends on this board.
DW, the person, not the coach deserves better.
sjh
PS. If you've read any of my posts -- you'll know I am not a DW fan. I don't think our D walks on water and I don't think he should be our next head coach.
I do think he should be treated fairly, on this issue.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Well done 66
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 23, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
At least Walker can coach
The only expertise I've seen is a high percentage of field goals on our infrequent visits to the red zone.
by silverlakebruin on Oct 23, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
I agree
You may have to enlighten me a bit though - I cannot recall an interim coach ever being brought from the "outside." Arent't the near 100% of the time appointed from within to finish out the "broken" season?
I have now come to the firm conclusion
But if DG approached Coach Walker, I don't blame him for saying "Sure, I'll be interim head coach." And if DG didn't make it clear that Coach Walker couldn't say a word about it, I don't blame Coach Walker for proceeding based on the information he has available. It even seems to be good coaching - if Coach Walker thought that Cal would blow us out, he might start thinking about what he would do in 3 or 4 days when he got the job. I don't blame him for preparation.
But all of those notions are based on "if's". Only a couple of people know for sureif "interim coach" was floated, and they aren't saying anything. (I wonder who the good source was that Dienhart had?)
The Walker Conundrum
Good post 66
But I think if Walker ends up as the UCLA head coach, which is a possibility given our terrible record of hiring coaches within the program, I see this as a possibility. And we need to talk about it honestly and openly before this happens.
Like I said I will try to out a post together on this. But for now I see there is enough information out there that can lead one to speculate Walker as being an alleged backstabber.
Respectful Disagreements
We do disagree with each other, and we know how to do so respectfully.
I'm sick of outsiders coming in here, flaming, and then crying when people strike back at them.
This is not the first time I've disagreed with Nestor or others on this board. In fact my first post drew a tough response. Tough, but respectful.
That is the rule of the road through BN. You get what you give.
Fox, I appreciate your willingness to re-think this.
Nestor, I look forward to you moving the ball down the field with your next post. My mind remains open (when I can find it).
DW as interim
Nicely said
At base, though, I think I have even a more fundamental hesitation with calling DW a backstabber. I may just be indulging in semantics, but that phrase connotates to me that DW has done something underhanded or unfair in an attempt to wrestle the HC job from KD. And, even assuming we had all the information needed to conclude that DW did all that some have claimed (meeting with DG, calling Osaar, etc.), I don't know that I think DW has necessarily done anything wrong.
Maybe I'm being too realpolitik, but a subordinate pining for his boss' job isn't exactly a novel concept, particularly when ones boss is a colossal failure at said job. So, even if DW is actively angling for the HC'ing position -- as opposed to simply tolerating an uncomfortable position DG has put him in -- that isn't all that bad in my book.
You can say what you want about loyalty, which I think is both an admirable quality, and one that adds to a necessary level of cohesiveness on a coaching staff. But, at some point (namely, after Utah, ND, etc.), it may be a bit much to ask KD's assistants to go down with the ship.
Also, besides that, even if I'm too jaded, and with due respect to those who believe otherwise, I think the charge distracts somewhat from the underlying problem with hiring DW as an interim coach. Specifically, DW has no head coaching experience, and has had an uneven record as a college defensive coordinator, with highs against pro-style offenses, and lows against anything else.
We all understand the issue. You hire DW as interim coach, and there is the risk that the inertia of that move, and UCLA's historic resistance to making bold hires, will conspire to give us something less than we deserve. So, I am 100% on board with doing whatever is necessary to convince my good friends here that DW is NOT AN OPTION should the KD experiment mercifully end.
But let's just look at the resumes. DW's, apart from 13-9, isn't all that impressive. And it doesn't hold a candle to the resumes of the kind of coach (and I will leave it to all you experts on the available options to fill in the blank here) UCLA should be announcing as its head coach in the weeks following the Southern Cal game this year.
Hmm
How about this? Let me lay out my thoughts on this tomorrow. I would love to hear your reaction to why I have been thinking this way about Walker.
I am more than confident that after an honest and frank give and take and reasoned discussion, we will able to reach some sort of consensus on this.
I'll look forward to it.
All kidding aside, Nestor
If that is DG's position, then there is a whole other issue to be dealt with, but that's for another time.
REIGN OF ERROR??!!!!
As your reward, I am giving you this youtube clip, guaranteed to give you goose bumps. Consider the protagonist and his song choice, and the meaning of the whole thing is even more amplified.
ABD = Anybody But Dorrell
Just so everyone doesn't go ballistic on me. My preference is for DG to go out and get a coach with head coaching experience, a track record of success and an approach to the game that will make it exciting to watch. If that is not possible, or DG is not capable of delivering such a candidate to the fans, than just get rid of Dorrell and bring in the next target. At least we can get excited about the change, until the next experiment in coaching self-destructs.
It's sort of like an abusive spouse.
Bruin 77 is ready to face life after the abusive spouse or father. There is often a great fear of the unknown which enables the abuser to keep doing it. No one wants to take action, and one reason is the fear of the unknown after the police haul the abuser away.
I'm with Bruin 77 on this. I've listed all the things I want and expect in a new head coach. A defensive coordinator (with no head coaching experience) for a team that is a sometimes shows up to play defense and other times seems to mail it in is not the kind of guy that I had at the top of my list. But we have to stop fearing the unknown and take action to get rid of the guy who tears our guts out week after week. CTS is a fan abuser. That relationship can only be terminated if UCLA (i.e., Mr. Guerrero) has the will and the courage to do something about it.
I will take the unknown commodity over the known incompetent. If that's Coach Walker, then so be it. In short, ABD -- Anyone But CTS.
66 -- Well reasoned, sir.
Thanks for taking the time to think this out and write this out.
M

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