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Sharply Focusing On Our Coaching Search

Bruin Blue helps us keep our eye on the ball zeroing on the only topic that will matter to UCLA football fans all across nation. The remaining games don’t matter at this point. Any fluke wins in those games will be just that – meaningless flukes. Let’s keep the discussion on who will be the next coach of UCLA football who will be delivering birthday presents to the entire Nation on game days instead to the Secretaries’ cubicles in Morgan Center. GO BRUINS. -N

As far as I am concerned, it is all about the coaching search now . The soft L.A. media can try to make excuses for Dorrell; he can act like he's still working on the future; but it doesn't matter. Dorrell is gone. If I'm somehow wrong, so be it; but I am going to concentrate on the all-important task of looking for a new coach. Of course, I'm not the one who will make the decision, though I sort of wish I were. I wish that I could be sure that Dan Guerrero and whomever he chooses to help with the process are going to do it in the right way: systematically, thoroughly and patiently. Please don't rush this hire just to try to save a few recruits whom you are probably not going to lose anyway. Please don't make it impossible to get a really good coach by turning him off with demands that he keep Walker or any of the other assistants; let him have a free hand in recommending his own choices. And don't do what UCLA usually does: rush this process because it somehow feels uncomfortable to be looking, and you feel it is embarrassing to be turned down by your first or even your second choice. All that ultimately matters is that you end up with the best possible coach, even if it should take you three months to get him.

In response to some posters who were flattering enough to ask me to more thoroughly lay out my thoughts on the major prospects, I will do so. Now, I like to think that I am pretty good at this. I have followed college football very closely for many years; have written about it for a living, and have even wagered on it at times. And the key to that is being able to discern who are the better coaches and who are more glitter than substance. I am surely not saying that I am always right about coaches, or that anyone else should defer to my views;; but I think that putting down my thoughts about the major prospects will help spur a more comprehensive discussion. None of us can convince Guerrero to pick our best choice; but we can write to him and help at least to convince him that some of the bad choices are unacceptable. Okay; here are my thoughts on various coaches, in no particular order at all.

Mike Leach: I do not like him. He is a jerk, as he exhibited again this weekend. But more importantly, he is a "bully" coach who pounds bad teams with a fairly clever gimmick offense, but has no ability to beat the big boys. My best calculation has him 3-20 against ranked teams in his tenure. And does he ever give up the points. 59 to Texas this year. 49 to Oklahoma State. 41 to Missouri. He even managed to lose to Colorado this year; Last year, he also lost to every good team he played. and 2-10 Colorado for good measure. To those who would argue that he is at talent disadvantage relative to some other schools in the Big 12; that may be true, but he certainly has enough talent to show some kind of a defense. If you are a good coach, you occasionally beat better teams, and you occasionally stop them. Not Leach. He wants this job, but we should not let him have it.

Paul Johnson: He's someone I do like; how could one not? He was OC at Hawaii, and Lou Holtz recently said on TV that he developed one of the best passing offense Holtz had ever faced. Then he went to Georgia Southern, completely turned that program around and won two Divison AA titles. He went to Navy, who was woeful, coming off 1-20 in two years. His first rebuilding year was only 2-10, but after that Johnson has gone 35-15 going into this year. In 2004 he went 10-2 and was coach of the year. He now runs the option offense, and no one really stops it. He has taken Navy to four Bowl games. I don't know whether he would want to consider coming west, but he is someone who is a proven rebuilder of programs and who actually has pulled upsets against more talented schools.

DeWayne Walker: No, no, no, no, no. He has never been a head coach. He has only been a defensive coordinator for two years. He is better than the last DC, but that's about it. He hasn't stopped a spread offense yet. And even if he ever did, why would anyone want to give him this job? He is part of a failed regime; and UCLA desperately needs to start fresh with a whole new family tree.

Norm Chow: I wouldn't hire him. Yes, he is unquestionably a great offensive coordinator. But there is a reason that no one has ever given him a head job, and it's not racism. He apparently hates recruiting, which is not an insurmountable obstacle, but sure doesn't help. He is now 62. Why would UCLA want to take a chance with those negatives? There have been plenty of other touted OCs (Tollner, Hackett, Crowton, Cameron, Turner, Martz, among others) who failed as head coaches. Some have suggested letting Chow be HC and keeping Walker as DC. That would be a terrible idea. Chow would either fail miserably, or do pretty well and then leave after four years, making Walker the head coach.

Chris Peterson: He's my favorite choice, slightly over Johnson. I realize that he is a bit of a risk. He has only been a head coach for two years; and the other two coaches from Boise State who moved up have struggled, to put it mildly. Even so, I think that Peterson is better than those two. I have watched plenty of his games, and Boise simply looks better under him. Offensively he is as creative a mind as there is in the entire country. And Boise usually plays much better defense than they did under the previous coaches. Peterson's teams have gotten better each of his two years. Peterson actually controlled the line of scrimmage against Stoops for most of last year's Fiesta Bowl. I am afraid that we will not be able to get Peterson, and that he will go to another school, to turn into the next Urban Meyer. There is no risk-free hire this year; but I think that he has the most upside of anyone.

Brian Kelly: Several people have mentioned him. He's doing well in his first year at Cincinnati, but with a program which Dantonio had built up. ( liked Dantonio, the ex-Tressel DC, and wish he were available now). He came from Western Michigan, where he had two losing years and then one good one, which he parlayed into this job. He is obviously a more than decent coach, but I don't think he extrapolates upward as well as Johnson, Peterson, Mendenhall or Edsall.

Rick Neuheisel: Some years ago, I might have been for this idea, but not now. Neuheisel simply hasn't shown enough as a head coach. He had a couple of good early years at Colorado with the previous coach's players; but the boosters were ultimately happy to see him leave Boulder. He did take Washington to the Rose Bowl, but had ordinary years as well. His teams have never played effective defense. The personal baggage I could put aside, but I just think that under Neuheisel UCLA would be somewhat behind a few other Pac-10 coaches and teams.

Tom O'Brien: He, along with Les Miles, were my top two picks to replace Toledo. I really like this guy, who built Boston College into a very strong program. Unfortunately, we are now a year too late, as he went to NC State, where after a slow start ,he has won four in a row. I don't think he'd jump again so soon, but I wanted to mention him, just in case. He is a really good coach.

Gary Pinkel: He's certainly doing well this year, but the Big 12 is way down. (It's not coincidence that Kansas is having a once-in-a-century campaign). Pinkel's records in his early years at Missouri were nondescript. He was 37-34 overall. Missouri gets its share of talent, particularly on offense. Remember, any decent coach who is given enough time always has a couple of really good seasons at a school. The media then says, "Look here; they gave him enough time, and see what he's done," as if this improvement is going to continue or at least plateau. Usually the coach has the couple of good years and then sinks back down into mediocrity. Remember Bob Toledo? Ron Turner went 10-2 at Illinois a few years ago.

Steve Mariucci: An interesting prospect, but another who presents uncertainty. One year coaching Cal; started an impressive 6-1, then lost five straight, including a Bowl game to Navy. Then jumped to San Francisco, where he had two really good years, two woeful years and then two good ones to finish. Maybe it was the management, including our favorite, Terry Donahue. He finally went to Detroit and did poorly, again possibly hamstrung by management. But certainly a really good coach would have done at least somewhat better than 15-28. And the other questions about Mariucci are whether he still has the fire after being away from coaching for more than two years; and whether he would simply see UCLA as a springboard to another NFL shot if he did well. Frankly, I think that he is somewhat overrated, being more flash than substance; although he certainly is not a bad coach by any means.

Rich Brooks: Give me a break. He's had a losing career record everywhere he's been. He's not a terrible coach, but he's hardly a great one; and he's 67 years old. What could we possibly gain by hiring him, except keeping Terry Donahue happy?

Randy Edsall: He's done a very nice job at Connecticut, taking that program from nonentity status to definite respectability. A few years ago, I was very high on him. I'm not quite as high now, but he's certainly having a solid year this year. We could do worse, but we could also do better.

Bronco Mendenhall: People tell me that he will not leave BYU; but I do think that he has done a very nice job, and would be a good potential hire. His offense is very effective and smoothly functioning. His teams almost always play to their potential. He would fit in well here, probably being the equal of Bellotti and Tedford.

Steve Spurrier: Not impossible, as he seems to be realizing the limitations of South Carolina in the SEC. But I'm not sure that he really has the fire he once had; this year's team looks like it's floundering. Lou Holtz did a better job in Columbia. Spurrier is unquestionably a great offensive mind; but his best days could be behind him. He has all the money he needs; and I wonder if he might want to retire soon and spend his days golfing or color commentating.

There are other names, of course. But I think that they would be major longshots, given how UCLA seems to go about hiring coaches. I don't think that we will go after a coordinator outside of our program. If we did, there are several interesting names, but they are obviously risks. There are also longshots among the ranks of unemployed ex-NFL coaches, including Schottenheimer, Mora, and someone I rather like, Jim Fassel. But Schottenheimer probably doesn't want this job; and the other two would leave at the first sign of success and go back to the NFL. I don't like Mora that much anyway. There is a real longshot, David Cutcliffe, who was the best coach Mississippi had since Vaught, but somehow got fired. He is currently OC at Tennessee, doing a nice job. Bobby Petrino would be a great hire, but if he really wants out of the NFL, he's got all sorts of Southern schools to choose from. Wouldn't I love it if we actually went after Mark Richt or Bob Stoops, but it won't happen. I think that the above list is pretty exhaustive, and that our next head coach will come from there.

Those are some of my thoughts, anyway. This next few weeks are going to be fascinating, but the wheels are already in motion, so the time to weigh in is now, before our new hire is a fait accompli. amd the next five or ten years beckon.

-Bruin Blue

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Not a SINGLE breakdown
that a pragmatic supporter could disagree with. GOOD JOB, Bblue. Way to keep us on track.

Some input:

Mike Leach: 100% paper tiger. We don't need it.

Paul Johnson: Edges CPetersen for #1 with me based on his major program experience and track record of serial re-building talent.

DeWayne Walker: 90% in agreement, but we can't look past the fact that he gave UCLA what it missed for a DECADE; a really competitive defense. It ain't perfect, and neither his he -- Name a better way to continue our improvement there and I'll go with it. DW stays on as my DC.

Norm Chow: No way. Only way he wears the Powder Keg and Gold is up in the booth as an OC (and way to drive Pete Carroll out of his f*** mind).

Chris Peterson: Clearly a consensus #1, mostly based on his age, salary requirements and "effectiveness" quotient (doing the most with the least).  NO ONE will be mad with a Chris Petersen hire probably unites the Bruin Nation (and the huge base of latent UCLA fans like Mr. Statue of Liberty). The Big 10/12 will quake in fear.

Brian Kelly: A c-grade, "only if we can't do better" hire.

Rick Neuheisel: Dude, look at the Ravens offense (and all that Samsonite). We wouldn't even be discussing it if he weren't an Alum; which is how we got our current Toast -- I mean coach. Nexxxxt.

Tom O'Brien: We're a Day late, $1M short.

Gary Pinkel: Pinkel would still be a good rebuild hire -- but we shouldn't expect to set the world on fire -- there's something to be said for two, 10-team conferences (Big 10 included) that only field 4-ranked teams a season... but that speaks for itself.

Steve Mariucci: Style = 10.5. Substance = .05. No Way.

Rich Brooks: If it's good for Terry, it's definitely bad for us (and the 9ers, damnit).

Randy Edsall: Interesting. His stock is definitely up. Have run his stats against the pack.

Bronco Mendenhall: Sorry guys, but me and John Smith's decendants just don't see eye to eye.  I can't stand that part of the country... it's my bias, but like I said... sorry. We can do better.

Steve Spurrier: DO WE REALLY WANT THE SEC TAKING CREDIT FOR WAKING UP OUR SLEEPING GIANT?!?!? One of our great posters said it best earlier: Spurrier's allegiance is to (1) Steve Spurrier and (2) the SEC. We don't need his facial ANTICS on our sidelines...

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 9:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

tidbits
(1) Seriously. I love CPetersen... anxiously await the day his name is announced.. But, I just took a second look and I just can't believe this guys resume. This guy is the f*** MAN!!

Look at these numbers!  

  • 10-years HC experience
  • 74% lifetime Win_%
  • 2-National Championships (1-AA)
  • Rebuilt Georgia Southern (from 53% 7Y Win% to 86% over 5Y)
  • Rebuilt Navy (from 40% 8Y Win% to 60% in <5Y)
  • Huge academic leader (they don't call it the Naval Academy for nothing)
* beat the Irish (who beat us! oops!)

Say what you want about the Triple Option, the guy seems to have that innate sense of flexibility; uses what he has in stock to fill the order (no excuses) -- and I, for one love THAT.

Only question here is the pay grade -- maybe someone can help on that.

(2) Can we disqualify any prospect who actually lost to TOAST. Not saying any names errr-huuhhhgggggBroncoMendenhall-uhhhuggghh... but even Fat Charlie Weiss beat TOAST...

Right?

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson: please add
West Coast affiliation to the list of accolades.

* 7Y in the WAC (the Rainbow years)

Dude homeboy is YOKED.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think your talking about...
Paul Johnson not CPeterson

by uclaov1 on Nov 13, 2007 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If that were the case, would you also reject...
... taking a call from any of these guys:  Carroll, Stoops, Tedford?  OK, Poodle Pete I'd reject.  But the rest?

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now, no need to crack anyone's...
... particular faith.  Let's watch ourselves, folks.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.
My bad, and my apologies.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blue -- OUTSTANDING WORK.
I was thinking about doing one of these for my personal favorites, but it would simply be an appendix to this opus.  Well done.

I do want to mention one name that is growing on me more and more:  Bobby Hauck out of Montana.

Guy coached Motnana to 41-13 the past 4+ years, and has won the Big Sky Conference every year.  Expertise in special teams.  I-AA Coach of the Year.

And, get =this.  Last February, it was reported that he TURNED DOWN a three-year deal, opting instead for a one-year deal, due to objections over salaries for his assistants and a buyout clause that would have forced him to pay off the entire deal if he took another job.  Sounds like Hauck is keeping his options open.

AND, he can probbably satisfy any Teflon Terry fans looking for a coaching tree -- he was a GRADUATE assistant for us in the 80s.

The only red flags may be his assistant positions at Colorado and UW.  Did he work with/ for Skippy or Toast?  Would he not want the job out of any possible loyalties to the other guys?  I haven't cross-referneced his resume with Skippy or Toast yet.

Still, it sounds like this kid can COACH.  If it worked for OSU and Tressel, maybe it can work here.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 9:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Corrections.
(1)  He was a grad asst. for us in 1990-91, AND asst. recruiting coordinator in '92.  IIRC, we got some fairly good guys in '93 and '94, so he might have contributed to that.

(2)  Hauck also did a lot of D-position coaching (safeties, linebackers) in his career.

(3)  Turns out Hauck WAS an asst. under Neuheisel's tenure at both CU and UW.

That being said, I still like the guy.  My current watch list is:

(1)  PETERSON -- Best single-game resume, best offensive mind, best upside of the bunch.

(2)  MENDENHALL -- May be tough to pry from BYU, but an experienced, defensive-minded coach.

(3)  HAUCK -- Last time around, we hired a lieutenant commander to run the ship.  This time around, we're looking at captains.  Montana's a small ship, but it's got a strong captain.

(4)  JOHNSON -- The more I hear about Leach's shortcomings, the more I like hearing about Johnson's work at Navy and Georgia Southern.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad list
But I would move Johnson higher.  Given his track record, I think he rates higher than Hauck, who has never coached at this level.  And Johnson has been successful at a place with top academic requirements.  

I think for me I have the same four, but I have it Johnson, Peterson (is it Peterson or Petersen?),and then a tie between Mendenhall & Hauck, with a slight edge to Mendenhall.

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point re Johnson and academics.
Forgot about that aspect.  

Also, I know some are scared of his triple option strategies, but I'd love to hear more about what he did at Georgia Southern.  He's growing on me.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I have Howland on the brain
But the fact that he turned around two different schools with two different styles of play ala Howland, is very convincing to me.

A weird side-note...I remember reading that Geoff Strand said that UCLA and Notre Dame were two of three schools who do it "the right way" with football and academics.  The other, Navy.

Not that an alumni cheerleader should be mistaken for our AD, but given the current discussion, an interesting side bar.

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Free -- you just SOLD me on it.
My new list is now:

(1)  Petersen -- Sorry, but the Fiesta Bowl Game game is STILL the best promo material anywhere.  Leadership, creativity, preparation, and sheer GUTS all on display.

(2)  Johnson -- You had me at "ala Howland" and sealed it with "academics."

(3)  Mendenhall -- Still like this guy and his defense-first approach, plus his desire to rebuild tradition and pride in BYU football (although, admittedly, that can work agaisnt us stealing him away from BYU).

(4)  Hauck -- Even with the Neuheisel and Dorrell ties, I like the idea of a solid, small-school football coach coming in and just plain COACHING us to success.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 13, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HA!
"You had me at Howland!!!" I Love it! Move over Cam_Crowe!

Honestly and seriously, the more I look at Johnson, the more clearly I see it.  It might be easier to dissect what Paul Johnson DOESN'T bring to UCLA's table than to wax on about all that he does...

This is Coach Peterson

This is Coach Johnson

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson at Georgia Southern
M, I've always been high on Johnson, and I won't stop now.  Johnson ran the spread as OC of Hawaii for 7 years, and he implemented a hybrid spread-option offense in Georgia Southern.  According to an article from the News & Observer paper out of North Carolina http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/504983.html

"Johnson's spread-option offense -- which he used to win two I-AA championships at Georgia Southern and to lead Navy to three consecutive bowl berths -- is a combination of run-and-shoot, option and play-action."

Imagine that kind of attack with our personnel.  One word.  Frightening!

He's my top pick as a replacement for several reasons.  One being his history of rebuilding programs, and another is his success with the personnel he has.  He has been able to adapt an offense to his players' strenghts (spread, spread-option, triple-option).  You have to be extremely disciplined to run any option offense, so you know he will drill our players.

More importantly, any new coach will deal with recruiting woes their first few years.  We need a coach who will be able to win with any team we field.  Paul Johnson has shown he can win even with inferior talent.  This year, his Navy team ranks in the top 10 of scoring offense, and in his last five games, his offense dropped 72(W), 46(W), 52(L), 24(L), and 48(W) points on his opponents.  It's clear the man can generate some offense.  

by hspigskinfan on Nov 13, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think we are a much more attractive option
Than coaching at NC in football.  But you have to think other more traditional football powers are going to give Johnson a serious look as well.

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Beeelieve it
'16. They want to be Us so bad it hurts. That's all those SEC HATERS jaw about when I'm in the south:
  • Our Campus
  • Our Weather
  • and the 'weak' PAC-10
Considering the source (regional insults withheld), 2/3 ain't bad. Especially when you factor in how all their cutest girls apply to UCLA in droves and will do just about anything to get to Hollywood.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Must confess
I was pleasantly suprised about the "talent" at NC when I was there.  Some kind of sorority rush thing was going on, so perhaps the numbers were skewed versus the norm.  

And a nice campus to boot.  Just that we overall are a better gig for a guy like Johnson, I believe.

Besides, NC is ACC, not SEC.

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha
well aware. didn't include ACC on the hater list b/c they're generally of a higher -- je ne sais quoi -- "academic" caliber, let's just say. But the Carolinas definitely offer some of the best natural surroundings the South has to offer... Durham is amazing... local "talent" notwithstanding.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Leach
I disagree about Mike Leach, his O has been great threw out the years. His D might suck but if we keep DW around as DC i think it would be a good team. Now about DW, sure his D has given up a lot of yards to some teams, but i think as a whole i am content. The only reason his D gives up so much yards and points is because there out there more then they should be and they are put in bad spots because of the O. Players get tired and lose passion if they see they are the only ones doing the work. If we had a good O to keep us in the game i thing DeWalk D would do a better job.

by uclaov1 on Nov 13, 2007 9:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not sold on Leach
Leach has been done some good things at Texas Tech, but he's never won more than 9 games, even though he usually schedules horrendous non-conference opponents. Like Dorrell to USC, Leach has never competed with Oklahoma or Texas; his best finish is tied for 2nd in the 6-team Big 12 South (once in 8 years as head coach). He was an assistant to Stoops but only for 1 year, so he left before 2000, the year that Oklahoma shot off like a rocket. He's only 33-29 in a conference that usually has a few patsies (Baylor and at least 1/2 of the Big 12 North). His overall record of 62-37 is padded by those nonconference games (in 2005, he scheduled Fla Int'l, Sam Houston State and Indiana State; this year, it was SMU, UTEP, Rice and Northwestern State)

Those aren't the results we want; those are eerily similar to the results we have with CTS, with the only difference being that his offense is more fun to watch.

by BruinsRule on Nov 13, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Love BN
This post by BB is the reason BN is now my first stop every morning.  You can't get research and analysis like this in the MSM.  Not only that, but the price is right too.  Thanks for the great write-up and helping to inform the rabid, but not necessary knowledgeable, fan base.  

I do have one question regarding the list and other potential coaches. Is there any name that has been mentioned that would make one say, on second thought, if that's the best we can do, let's keep Toast?  I know there have been a lot of joking references to wives that can do a better job, but seriously, is there anyone that is so untouchable we would look back next year and say, we should have stayed the course?  Personally, I think no head coach would be a better situation than we currently have, but, all sarcasm aside, who might be considered a realistic candidate by DG but is more likely to continue the downward slide than reverse it?

by Bruin77 on Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree about BN
And, once Dorrell is fired, I have no doubts that this breakdown will be used to write whatever piece the LA Times puts out regarding the coaching search.

Nice work.

by UCngLA on Nov 13, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Toast?
We could have several what I would call "uninspired hires" that would be incredibly disappointing but none that would make me want to keep Toast. Here's why. The following guy would be the worst hire I could imagine:

Greg Robinson. This guy has been unsuccessful EVERYWHERE. He got fired by the Broncos because they couldn't stop anyone, so the Chiefs hired him, and quickly became the worst defense in the NFL. He has run the Syracuse program into the ground. The Orange are the worst team in the Big East, which had until last year only two established programs of any relevance (meaning it was there for the taking). He's terrible. If we hire him, I will give up on UCLA football (because it would be a sign that the administration has given up.

That being said, I'd still be happy we got rid of Dorrell so that I don't have to see his clueless face or listen to him butcher the English language with cliche-ridden speech (and bad cliches at that). So, I guess you could say, we could hire ANYONE, and it wouldn't make me say "let's keep Toast".

by BruinsRule on Nov 13, 2007 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SURVEY SAYS:
NOT ONE. That's why we call him Toast.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post
Agree with almost all of it.

Like others, I put Johnson ahead of Peterson because of his longer track record, his having run different offenses to fit his personnel, and his having to recruit and coach a team with academic restrictions.

I think Rick is not only questionable as a coach, his judgement is questionable, and I don't want a coach we can't trust off the field.

I'm not as down on Walker as you are, but he certainly wouldn't be in the top 5 of those you listed.

Great work and great write up.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 13, 2007 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Johnson and Petersen
I love both of these choices and would be extremely happy if either was hired.

The question I have is, what will the state of our football team be next year and who would be the best coach in the short-term? And who will be the best coach long-term?

Johnson is arguably a rebuilding guru. Are we rebuilding next year, or do we have enough talent to hit the ground running? Are we going to have a post-Larry Coker Miami type of team or a post-Ron Zook Florida type of team? I don't think we are as poorly or well off as either of those teams, but I think it is an interesting question. If we are ready to get it on next year, I think I would prefer Petersen. If not, maybe Johnson is the better choice. I am only putting it this way because, ultimately, I would be happy with either.

by tasser10 on Nov 13, 2007 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good read and great discussion.
I have officially changed my position from "All Spurrier All Time" to:
  1. Paul Johnson - Navy
  2. Chris Petersen - Boise State
  3. Bob Hauck - Montana
  4. David Cutcliffe - Tennessee
Bob Hauck came out of left field for me, but I like what i'm hearing about the guy. I've heard of David Cutcliffe and somehow forgot all about him. Chris Petersen was a great second place to Steve Spurrier in my book, and now he's a great second place to Paul Johnson.

I want to thank BN for returning some of the passion I have lost for Bruins Football thanks to Doofus. Just thinking of the possibilities for our program under the able hands of one of these guys is worth the turmoil of this season.
 

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Nov 13, 2007 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cutcliffe?
Can you articulate why he is #4 on your list?  

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

interested cutliffe inclusion plus
what made you drop Spurrier as well...  The former is interesting and we'll need the latter for future conversions of Spurrier loyalists.
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not seeing anything that special about Cutcliffe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cutcliffe

Not seeing anything to write home about here.  Maybe MexiBruin can elighten us.

Otherwise Mexi, you related to the guy or something?

by Free the 16 on Nov 13, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

steeeeeeerrrr--

  1. FIRED from previous HC gig due to... wait? what's that?
  2. No Accountability?
  3. 51% Win_Percentage.
--rriiikkke threee!!!

--Must be nepotism.

Well anyway that still leaves us Johnson and Peterson way out ahead of the pack.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Cutcliffe fired from his
'Ol Miss HC position?  His record there is not inspiring.  Despite having once coached the Manning brothers, his being an OC for a Tennessee coach who may be fired at the end of this season doesn't exactly do his resume good.

by bruinhawk on Nov 13, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post and list
If UCLA wants to regain some semblance of respect from the college football world, No Leach, No Chow, No Skippy, No Brooks, No Mariucci, No Spurrier & god forbid, No Walker.  I'm not going to bore y'all with the reasons but UCLA must focus on the following:
1A & 1B (Peterson & Johnson) - I would LOVE one or the other.  
I had Peterson #1 but I'm not pushing him down but elevating Johnson.  If you've ever watched Boise, you can see that he puts his players in positions to make plays.  You also see that their players improve during their tenure.  I love his innovative offense and he has "guts".  If anyone has seen that FSN documentary about the OB win, he knew that his team was out of gas and if they went to another OT, they would lose.  Thus, going for 2 with that Statue of Liberty play.  Some may argue that he just made a logically decision but coming from where we've come from, It would be a breath of fresh air to see a coach actually "think" and make decisions strategically.  
Johnson has really grown on me.  Come to think of it, it is quite remarkable what this man has achieved during his career and at every stop.  Just looking at Navy, he has turned them into a respectable team that "competes" every time they take the field.  No 5 Stars, ESPN All-Americans, etc. yet when you watch them play, you can see that there is actual, real "coaching" going on.  Love his ability to adapt to different offenses based on talent or lack thereof.  Prior experience dealing with academic restrictions are a huge plus.  
I'm pretty ambivalent to the remaining candidates.  They all have positives but I'm not sure how it would play out.  I have the most confidence in the two.
Earlier Q about Cutcliffe.  He warrants consideration.  Yes, he did nothing special at Ole Miss but we are talking about Ole Miss.  Their claim to fame was Archie Manning period.  I personally thought he squeezed the most out of what he could while he was there at the program.  I mean, the guy is competing with the SEC powers for talent.  Tubberville was a combined 25-20 during his 4 years there before he left for Auburn.  The guy helped mold Peyton and then took a 1 yr starter in Tee Martin and coached him up to a NC.  The guy can coach in my book.  Imagine what he would be able to do with the natural recruiting advantages at UCLA.  I'm pretty sure a lot of young QB's would make their way to Westwood to be tutored under Cutcliffe.  Like I said, he warrants consideration but he is not at the top of my list.  

by BlueReign on Nov 13, 2007 1:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Paul Johnson+Nebraska
If Nebraska doesn't hire Bo Pelini, I think they'll be our most serious competion for Johnson. His triple option offense would be a good fit at Nebraska.

by dana on Nov 13, 2007 2:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he's not wed to the triple option
He's run other offenses, so he's not wed to the triple option.  And I honestly don't think that Nebraska would realistically try to run the triple option in this day and age with the talent that they are able to recruit.  Obsorne has already public spoken of his admiration of the spread offense.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Nov 13, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep that's
Dan Guerrero and Gene Block should be up there right now compiling a FAT 3-ring proposal chocked full of all the reasons (complete with a $2M incentive plan)  either Johnson (or Petersen) need to make LA their next home.

We're doing our job (sorta). Let's hope like all Hell Dan has a Big Fat XMAS Gift for all of us....

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Nov 13, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not likely to get Petersen ?
Blue, is your current take that Petersen is becoming too hot a commodity in the marketplace for him to consider UCLA?  I'd be happy with Johnson if we can't land him.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Nov 13, 2007 2:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Alfred E. Neuman
He is no Johnson or Peterson but he would be   better than CTS.

His attitude of "What me worry?" does concern me a little bit.

Has ar least the credentials that CTS had when they hired him.

by artybruin on Nov 13, 2007 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great diary
Very well thought out.  I don't think I can add much except to say that I will cross my fingers that we get some type of proven commodity this time around.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 13, 2007 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Morgan Center needs to step up
The problem is not just that the A/D may (or may not) be considering Toast for the HC position.  The problem is that the A/D typically overreacts to situations that are completely unnecessary.  During the last round of football hirings when CTS was brought on board, they paid him an outrageously high salary given his unremarkable and unimpressive resume.  Now that CTS makes more money and is clearly NOT getting the job done, there's a clamor for the athletic department to pay more for a bigger name coach.  One of my big fears is that they will spend the $2 million and promise us a "big hire" and then their final list will be DeWayne Walker, a WR coach from the Chargers, and Rich Brooks.  If the A/D doesn't want to spend the money, then fine -- I guess the aforementioned crap list is what we can expect.  It just really bothers me to see them throwing tons of cash after someone who 1) doesn't have the credentials to merit that pay, and 2) would take the job for considerably less.

by ytumamatambien on Nov 13, 2007 3:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You mention Kansas...
But you don't mention Mark Mangino.  I think he would be a good hire, if we can get him.  I'm not saying he's my favorite, but it is somewhat surprising how little he is mentioned.

by SuperBruinMan on Nov 13, 2007 3:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Chris PetersEn
I hate to be the stickler around here, but I just want to make it clear that it is Petersen with an E.

Chris Petersen is my first choice to run our program, the guy has it all.

Out of respect for him and his family, we should learn to spell his name correctly.  

by DK2001 on Nov 13, 2007 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can't imagine
he'd even entertain - not sure we'd wwant him anyway.  Cush job that he seems to enjoy, been to the top of the mountain at both levels, and already tried the "I'll give it another shot gig" with the Fins.

Plus how long would he want to stick around for anyway?

No - some of the above listed candidates are better options IMO

by gorams77 on Nov 13, 2007 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for a terrific synopsis, Blue
Petersen and Johnson, Johnson and Petersen.

I came in favoring Petersen, because his teams showed the three things I look for:

  1. They play with passion with poise
  2. They show that they have a good teacher
  3. They show improvement, in individuals and teams, from week to week and year to year.
But, I love what I hear about Johnson. I'd be tickled with either.

Thanks again, Blue. Good stuff.

by TDBruins on Nov 13, 2007 4:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My top 3
In order - but I would be happy with either of them (with what I know about them):

1-Johnson
2-Mendenhall
3-Petersen

On a side note - BruinBlue, you mention "people tell you" that he won't leave BYU.  Has he made a public statement to that effect?  I have seen his name mentioned so I am wondering if he has made a public stance about next year...

by gorams77 on Nov 13, 2007 10:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You guys better postpone this discussion
There are reports floating around that KD is safe because DG wants to keep these recruits.

Maybe wishful thinking by KD apologists, but these reports are out there and KD cronies are jumping up and down with joy.

by bluegold on Nov 13, 2007 10:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's fine
Bring back Dorrell and save me at least a grand in season tickets, parking and "donation" costs.  Maybe I'll just tailgate outside the RB next year and never go in.

There is something to be said for "clarity."  In other words, if UCLA and/or DG are so clueless that they will keep Dorrell so that he can ruin another class of recruits, I say "fine."  That makes my decision to support, or not support, this program very easy.  

Dorrell and his incompetent staff have already made this program irrelevant and if they are still around next year, they won't fool me again.  Let the Dorrellistas with their low expectations buy tickets and support this aimless program.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 14, 2007 5:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What reports?
Are these "reports" on Bruin Gold or some other affiliate of the Romper Room? I don't listen to rumors, particularly when they are unfounded and come from lame sources. Everything we've seen in the media points to a buh-bye for Karlito. Whatever, if KD returns, I'll just go back to watching the NFL on Sundays and forget about Saturdays.

by tasser10 on Nov 14, 2007 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
"Everything we've seen in the media points to a buh-bye for Karlito."

I needed that.

by bluegold on Nov 14, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really interesting read
Thanks for taking the time... I too wish you could be in on the hiring process.  I look forward to reading updates.
------ formerly bruinmikeh

by bruinduro on Nov 14, 2007 1:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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