Dorrell is not leaving

Then it's a pretty sad commentary regarding UCLA's administration.  Lack of foresight and vision in a lot of different areas pertaining to football.  I'll wait until December 3rd however to see how all of this plays out, because I've read and heard so many rumors at this point, I don't know what to believe.

dinner with three wealthy and prominent alumni last night and they said the exact opposite, so i guess they cancel each other out. I mean what is this suppose to mean, it sounds like a bruin gold post, I know so and so, and they had dinner with wealthy alumni, and we have Dorrell for the next ten years b/c we love the mediocrity. Oh yah, how much money can we be paying to basketball, considering we have been to the final four every year? Howland is underpaid, and basketball is self-sufficient in every other respect, what are alumni paying? I assume that your intentions are good, but every time i read a post like this it pisses me off having to think that i will be stuck with dorrell for another year. I know a lot more than three alumni, that may not be prominent but are plenty wealthy, they all want the guy gone. The contract with dorrell is a major sticking point, and i say we take it out of Guerrero's paycheck, what a dumb ass mover extending him like that.

the last two years

I am going to be an alumni soon, and if Karl Dorrell is not fired this year I will never in my entire life donate a single cent to UCLA athletics unless I can mark it a non-football contribution.

He's the idiot who hired doofus and keeps giving him these extensions. I don't care if there were a lack of options when he fired Toledo and might have been forced to hire Dorrell.  He should've had the foresight to see a lack of options if he fired Toledo and given Toledo another year before firing him so...uggggh, I just saw Doofus interviewed on abc local news just now, I CAN'T STAND HIM!!!  Anyways DG should've waited another year to fire Toledo to wait for better options.  Coming off 8-5 and incoming top 5 recruiting class and 20 game streak under his belt it wouldn't have been so bad to give Toledo another year, he deserved it if Dorrell and Riley were going to be our only options.  Toledo thought our 2003 team could've won the Pac 10.  Also, hiring Howland wasn't a master hire since he was proven, was willing to take a pay cut and was begging for the job.  DG has nothing to do with 100 titles we got 90 something without him and would've won them anyway.  So he hired the guy he knew from UCI for baseball after our baseball coach retired.  What's the big deal?  Our baseball coach that retired produced many major leaguers such as Eric Karros, Chase Utley, Garret Atkins, Troy Glaus, Todd Ziele, etc.  To me, college baseball is more about producing major leaguers, turning good prospects into major league prospects, that's why baseball players go to college.  Even if DG does fire Dorrell this year it's because he's practically forced to.  My opinion of DG will only change if he hires BRONCO MENDENHALL or CHRIS PETERSEN.  

I had dinner with three alums from tOSU, one woman who didn't go to college, and Mrs. Fox 71 who went to a small school in Kansas.  They had no information at all as to whether CTS would be retained next year.  They all thought he should be fired, though, just so I would stop griping.  As far as "influential" is concerned, Mrs. Fox 71 is pretty darn influential as far as I am concerned, and one of the tOSU alums is my mother in law.  Mothers in law are by definition influential.

I think my info is as solid as anyone else's.

They are both huge bruin fans (and hopefully future bruins) and they think its a done deal. They, like me, support Mariucci, but in any case, we agree a change is coming for next season in football head coaching.

Along with Fox 71, I think we're on track.

Watching Hawaii and Boise State right now. Boise facing a 4th and 1 on the 10 yard line.

Instead of running up the middle with Johnson  (Karl special) or going with a predictable qb sneak right into the teeth of the Hawaii defense, Peterson calls a playaction pass and the fullback is wide open for the touchdown. That is ballsy playcalling and the kind of winning attitude we need in our next head coach.

Give me an aggressive coach that plays to win the game (Herm Edwards is the man lol) over a conservative gutless coach anyday of the week.

I have a few comments to make, and then I'll address Nestor more specifically.

Most people here at least somewhat doubt the validity of the alumns I talked to. I'm not surprised. There have been "reports" that alumni will cut the Pauley renovation funding etc. in recent weeks if we don't deal with the "Dorrell situation." There have been the incendiary remarks in the traditional media. Everyone is buzzing about hiring Petersen or Spurrier or Mendenhall etc.

What DOES surprise me is how ignorant everyone here is to how lost Dan Guererro and the alumni here really are when it comes to putting together a winning football team. I'm sure class of 66 and 86 and Nestor saw what UCLA did after it stupidly fired Toledo. Dan Guererro and his "administration" were all talk then, and they are all talk now. I've spoken once to DG myself, and let me tell you, the guy knows almost nothing about football. He knows about as much as Madden tells you on television. Meaning: He knows that when you catch the ball in the end zone, it's a touchdown. He certaintly doesn't CARE about it at all. But don't take my word for it. Let me give you some concrete examples of his and his administrations' ignorance.

After he fired Toledo, Guerrero commented:

"We need to raise the bar, we need to start winning Pac-10 championships again. We want to have a national-caliber program here. We certainly think we should be one of the top programs in the country."

"We want every one of those games to be competitive (referring to UCLA vs. USC or the for the Pac-10 championship). What is important in the last two games (against USC and WSU) is that our players were prepared and played hard and what that shows is the gap between our program and those two programs that exist. We need to close that gap."

"We want to have a national caliber program here, certainly top 25 every year."

So he goes and hired Karl Dorrell? Karl fucking Dorrell? Anyone who know football back then, and anyone with a BRAIN knows now, that Karl Dorrell never head coached once in his life and had absolutely no accolades to head a "top 25, national caliber" team.

I don't want to speculate too much on that hire. It speaks for itself. At best it was Guerrero being a moron. At worst it was a nice way to make Guerrero look like a "savior" of UCLA's tarnished image. He was, I'm sure, pushed by some very influential alumni to "clean the slate."

So Guerrero hired Dorrell. But that's just the beginning of this nightmare. Dorrell may hire these moron assistants like Dwayne Walker and our O-line coach who can't get our team to "block a soul", but Guerrero theoretically screens and approves of them. Theoretically, of course, because I haven't seen Guerrero get involved one fucking time. He's content to sit back and watch our team suck balls for five years, and then come out with these pretentious ass comments like, "I am very interested to see what happens in the next few weeks." Are you fucking kidding me? Wasn't this guy interested to see what happened in the first five fucking YEARS? Why wasn't Dorrell fired after that embarassing 66-19 loss two years ago, which may as well have been a 66-3 loss?

The biggest joke about this all is that people somehow think this clown is going to make a super hire out of the blue. Petersen? Not happening. Guerrero just doesn't care about football. Why? Because the alumni, and therefore, the money, don't care about football. That's the bottom line. There's plenty of facts to support this. But I won't waste your time. Anyone who has been following our pathetic football team the last 5 years knows that Dorrell is a bad coach and Guerrero has done zip nada nothing about it.

Nestor,

I'm not saying that there is a lot money being spent on hoops. That's what the alumni told me. All the renovations to Pauley, they used as an example. As for the money being spent on the Rosebowl etc. I don't see how that enters into the equation of whether or not Dorrell stays. You might think that because the university has made an investment in the facilities that they would also make an investment in the head coach, but the history of this school shows us otherwise. Historically, when has upgrading the "facilities" brought in big-time coaches here?

Also, signing Dorrell on with that 1.8-2.1 million dollar buy out (according to another BN poster) was a big deal. I'm a contract lawyer, so I should know. It wasn't just a "tack on" to the existing contract, and it was NOT similar tp the extension Lavin or Toledo received. Why wasn't it similar? Because the boosters BOUGHT Lavin's and Toledo's contracts. I don't see anyone jumping up and down to buy Dorrell's. When the coaches base salary is near a million, a double-that buy out in his second year of the existing contract is huge. I know that you're trying to dummy down this contract in an effort to push your cause here but you're just wrong about this one.

You're also being naive if you doubt the "injury" excuse. Every major paper and blog has brought that one up multiple times. Albeit, it's not a great excuse. But since when did our dumbass administrations and alumni need "good" excuses? They hired Dorrell.

So you ask, why do I believe those alumni I listened to? Because history shows that they hold the same attitude that the big money has had in this university for the last forty years.  

Coach Fran stepped up and took himself out tonight after beating Texas at home.  He will apparantly still get some severance, but at least he manned up and resigned before making the AD fire him.

What are the chances Karl similarly steps up and elegantly falls on his sword after beating Southern Cal next week?  

It would be a pretty classy way to go out. . . which is why Karl won't do it.  Two things are almost certain: Karl is not going to quit, and his poorly coached football team is not going to beat SC.  

but if Karl Dorrell is the HC for UCLA football next year my brother and I will stop buying season tickets. We have been buying season tickets for years now and although it would be hard, I refuse to support Karl Duhrrell.

until Dorrell is gone.  

Go waterpolo.!!