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The Donahue Curse

Rebumped. I was going to write a post which would start with recounting the nightmare from Donahue years. Instead of reinventing the wheel, rebumping this post from November 7, 2007. While I am supporting of Rick Neuheisel, I hope he understands that if he wants to break away from the the culture of mediocrity that has engulfed UCLA football for more than a decade, he needs to break away from the legancy and mindset left behind by Typhoid Terry. GO BRUINS. - N

Bruin Blue with a must read post on Typhoid Terry who is working OT to play the violin for CTS. GO BRUINS. -N

A number of UCLA alumni and fans have at least some positive things to say about Terry Donahue.  I do not.  I have nothing against Donahue as a person; but I hated him as a football coach.  And I mean hated.  From the first season, when he was totally outcoached by John Robinson in the conference decider, and then embarrassed the university by not even showing up against Alabama in the Liberty Bowl, I knew that he was a mediocre-at-best coach who was going to hide behind UCLA's talent and natural advantages over most of the teams in this conference, and probably last a long time.  I didn't know how long, of course.  I still regret the loss of that 20 years of my football fan life.  Following UCLA football has never been the same for me after that experience.  Year after year of essentially nothing; losing to almost all the good teams, trudging to victory over the bad ones; never competing for a national title, despite a host of Pro-Bowl-type players.  And on and on and on it went.

I know that some will argue; and point to the Rose Bowls (four in twenty years), and the other Bowl wins, and the victories over USC at the end.  I used to be more vehement about such arguments, but it's so dreary to relive that now, that I seem to lack the energy.  Otherwise, I could tell you stories about some of the most pathetic, cowardly, stupid decisions ever made on a football field.  Well, just to make my point, and for the sake of amusement, I'll give you three.:  In 1978, UCLA was loaded, with Theotis Brown, James Owens and Freeman MacNeil as offensive threats; Jerry Robinson and Kenny Easley on defense.  Donahue managed to lose to a Kansas team which ended up 1-9  Later, he played an Oregon State team which finished 3-7.  OSU had no offense at all; only a really good field goal kicker and a good punter.  In typical Donahue fashion, the Bruins had slogged to something like a 12-10 lead, entering the fourth quarter. There was a strong wind which was against UCLA in the last quarter; but even knowing that, Donahue had played as conservatively as possible in the third.  So in the fourth, what does Donahue do but continue to run the ball into the line on every play, apparently fearing something awful will happen if he throws it.  What happens is that on each change of possession, UCLA gets pushed back further and further;  as their punter, with the wind, keeps outkicking ours.  Finally, with about eight minutes to go, UCLA is stuck back on its four yard line.  Donahue, acting like a bad poker player who keeps betting the same amount on the same bad hand, has the team run three more conservative plays, leading to a punt.  The punt goes about thirty yards, and OSU gets the ball on our 38.   They run three plays for a couple of yards, and their FG kicker then kicks the winning field goal.

The second is a game against Oregon in 1980, I believe.  (Rich Brooks, of all things, coaching Uof O).  UCLA is on probation that year, so even for  Donahue, who loved to play for ties, there was no reason not to go all-out..And remember, there was no overtime back then.  Anyway, Oregon is leading 20-14 with about six minutes to go.  UCLA drives down to the Oregon 27, where it's 4th and 3.  With what thought in his head, we will never know, Donahue has the team kick a field goal, to make it 20-17.  Oregon gets the kickoff and is able to run out the clock. I can only imagine that Donahue was thinking, "Well, a field goal is three points, and if we kick it we are only down three.  Then if we get the ball back with a couple of minutes to go, we can perhaps kick another field goal and end up with a tie."  Here is one more.  In 1989, UCLA is having a dreadful season.  They are playing Washington, who the week before had lost to USC, thus knocking themselves out of the Rose Bowl.  In that game, Don James could have played for the tie late, but needing the win, went for it and lost.  Well, in this game which now meant nothing but pride to either team, UCLA surprisingly got ahead early, 21-0  Washington rallied to cut it to 24-21.  Late in the fourth quarter, UCLA went on a potential game-clinching drive.  First and goal on the UW 6, Donahue did what he always did--run three plays into the line.  Now there were less than 3 minutes to go.  Donahue had the team kick a FG to make it 27-21.  Now, what did this accomplish?  In Donahue's limited mind, it meant three more points.  In the mind of anyone else, it meant nothing, because Washington wasn't going to go down and kick a FG to play for a tie (again, no OT then).  So what happened was that UCLA kicked off, Washington ran it back to about the 45, and went down to score the winning TD, 28-27.

I hope those stories were interesting.  There are more.  

Star-divide

Those who did not live through that era cannot possibly comprehend how unbelievably, suffocatingly stupid and cowardly Donahue's coaching was.  But then again; perhaps you indeed can.  For incredibly enough, you are seeing it repeated, in slightly different form, in the coaching of Donahue's disciple, Karl Dorrell.  The only difference is that Donahue (and his great recruiting coordinator Bill Rees) brought in better players, so he could mostly beat the bad teams on the schedule.  And every once in a while Donahue managed to bring Homer Smith in to save his offense.  Other than that, though. it is eerily similar.  Steve Axman was there.  Bob Field.   All the legends which helped make the Donahue era what it was.  And believe me, the Donahue era is still very much with us.

For apart from the various games, the lack of fundamentals, the strategic blunders, the major import of the Donahue nightmare was what it did to the psyche of UCLA football.  Before Donahue, expectations had been high in Westwood.  Tommy Prothro was an unlucky coach, because with even decent luck, he could easily have gone to four Rose Bowls in six years here.  He did finish in the Top Ten four times.  Pepper Rodgers was 17-5 in his last two seasons and was essentially run out of town for not being able to beat USC.  Ah, those were the days.  Dick Vermeil won the Rose Bowl and finished #5 in his second year.  And then along came Donahue.  In the middle of his tenure, Donahue said, "Winning a National Championship is not a realistic goal at UCLA.."  Donahue made up every excuse to make this a self-fulfilling prophecy.  He blamed steroids for his teams' inability to beat Oklahoma and Nebraska (1-7 against them).  He once said that the L.A. riots had hurt his recruiting.  Every Spring, without fail, Donahue would be quoted by the Times as to how injuries had just decimated his club for the Fall.  It was Donahue who started this nonsense about the only thing that mattered here was competing for the Pac-10 title.  This was undoubtedly because his record against ranked OOC teams was about .250.  What Donahue did was to lower the bar to where his typical 7-3-1 season was sufficient.  UCLA stopped being the national power that they had been under Prothro, and became a program which simply settled for hanging around the #15-20 range year after year.

And essentially that's where we've been ever since.  Yes, we had that one glorious run under Toledo, and then fell back.  We've had worse seasons, of course; as our talent edge has dissipated.  But the essential motif of the Donahue years has sunk into the Bruin psyche so much that most of our fans have become inured to hoping for those 7 or 8 wins to call it a successful season.  How else could our current coach who has lost six games in three of his first four years still be here?  Surely he wouldn't have been at any one of twenty major programs; and not at the UCLA of 40 years ago.  But because of Donahue, his disciple Karl Dorrell is not held to any significant standards.  Four more losses this year and people are still arguing for him to be given another chance.  That's all a residue of the Donahue years.

I think that Donahue is still very much with us.  Not just psychologically, either.  He has his fingerprints very much on this program.  He has his corps of acolytes in the Morgan Center; and of course his cadre of ex-players: Norrie, Stevens, Cook.  They are always the ones who argue for patience with the current coach; they are always telling everyone that UCLA has all these disadvantages relative to other programs; and that expectations are too high in Westwood.  It is as if they are all the pod people in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," because they always say the same thing; and they are completely wedded to the Donahue philosophy.  They are the ones who get the UCLA color and postgame jobs; and they all repeat the mantra over and over, until the press media believes it.  And now, as five years ago, when it might be time to choose another coach, here they and Donahue are, somehow using their almost hypnotic influence to suggest someone from their cult.  Rich Brooks, who of course was one of Donahue's assistants here in the '70's, and who was supposed to be Dalis' replacement hire had Donahue taken the Atlanta Falcons job..  They are running out of names, but here they have found another one.  It was a setback for them that Greg Robinson had gotten hired by Syracuse, thus exposing his ineptitude, or assuredly Robinson would have been right on top of the list this time.  They still have Johnny Lynn; maybe Dick Tomey.  Ron Carragher was Brooks' OC at Kentucky.  Like the sinister members of a cult, they spread out across the country, only to be called back when the master needs them.  And what does Donahue need now?  Why, to keep his own legacy where he wants it.  Should UCLA ever hire a big-time coach, it might actually become clear to too many people just how mediocre the Donahue era really was.  If UCLA ever actually starts competing for national titles, the comparisons to Donahue's regime will not be positive for him.

Okay, perhaps I'm being a little bit overdramatic for effect.  Donahue is not a sinister person, just an inordinately sensitive one who happens to know too little about coaching and finding coaches.  My fondest wish is that he would somehow go far away from this program, and take all his minions with him.  They have poisoned the well of UCLA football, far more than any basketball coach ever did to that program.  Harrick is good-natured enough to be a big fan of Ben Howland; and Lavin, as awful as he was, really never brainwashed the Bruin alumni to accepting his brand of ridiculous underachievement, just the A.D. and Chancellor.  But Donahue did manage to completely change the mindset in Westwood, and we are still suffering from its effects now.  And as far as I am concerned, our biggest barrier to actually hiring the kind of coach we are all hoping for, is Donahue--in person, by dint of his cult of supporters, and by virtue of the effect he still has on far too many people in the UCLA world.  When you hear that Rich Brooks is being mentioned as a possible replacement for Dorrell, you have to know that this is the Donahue effect being felt again. When there is a long thead in another forum suggesting that UCLA consider hiring Donahue again now, you feel as if you are in an H.P Lovecraft nightmare. The Donahue curse must be lifted once and for all, if we are ever going to travel out of the gloom into the sunlight.

-Bruin Blue

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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On a scale of 1 to 10 I think Donahue was a 6.  As BB details, Donahue was overly conservative. He served as an adequate caretaker who way over stayed his welcome.  While we experienced a modicum of success under Donahue, he was never going to get the Bruins to elite status.  I think that Donahue, despite that initial Liberty Bowl fiasco, should get some credit for his coaching in bowl games.  His mediocre teams that were able to back into some Rose Bowls, usually performed well on New Year's Day.  Unfortunately, compared to our current Coach Toast (a 2 on the 1 to 10 scale), Donahue looks like a football genius.

by Bruin77 on Nov 8, 2007 9:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

TD and why he had any success
I lived thru that era and TD was a classmate of mine, but I didn't know him well. Remember he only played at UCLA for 2 years, IIRC. He came from Valley College and was an assistant at Kansas (Pepper Rogers staff?)when the "call" came for him later.  He did have good defenses (he moved Jerry Robinson from WR to LB so he bunched the talent he had on defense), mostly, but the offense was truly run-run-run-punt, until Homer Smith came along. TD was known for being very thin-skinned, and probably is still that way, as the post describes his efforts to protect his image at UCLA.

Homer, who had been the HC at Army, but was an offensive genius at the time, did not aspire to expose TD by becoming HC, and when he was the OC, UCLA did have some good teams that beat SC, and won Rose Bowls. Homer came and went and came and went. He was from Alabama and his wife liked it there, so he "managed" his life as long as he could to be an excellent OC for UCLA, TD secure that Homer would not take his slot, and UCLA more or less propered. One time when Homer retired, and Aikman was finally eligible, TD hired Steve Axman to run the offense, from Stanford. It was ironic but regrettable that Homer didn't coach Aikman at UCLA, and when Aikman graduated, Axman was fired, Homer returned, and they had more OC success.

Later when TD faced Tollner and Hackett, and Homer was gone, he mailed it in, and still beat SC, so the alums loved him, worshipped his do-do, and he stayed just as long as he wanted.

Overall a mediocre career at UCLA with lowered expectations for the program, fueled by a friendly Pete Dalis (the former intramural towel manager), and a weak presence across town. But, times have changed, there is a new AD in town, DG, and I firmly believe he is not of the opinion that UCLA is other than a national power-to-be in football.
Bill

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Nov 8, 2007 9:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I believe TD came along with Pepper Rogers
and stayed on with Vermeil as a DL? coach.  The fact that he already was on staff and was fondly remembered as having been one Prothro's legendary "gutty little" Bruins who upset Michigan State in the '66 Rose Bowl helped get him the job when a replacement had to be found quickly when Vermeil announced hes departure to the NFL Eagles after the '76 Rose Bowl.

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After all these years
I am so glad finally so many are saying what I was thinking during those boring, lifeless Donahue years. Although as Bill pointed above unfortunately the current Doofus makes even a mediocre loser such as Donahue look like a genius.

Also I don't want a retread like Brooks at UCLA.

by bluestreet on Nov 8, 2007 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take . . .
I too was there right smack in the middle of the Donahue years.  I certainly don't argue with most of your comments.  However, as Bruin77 correctly points out I don't think TD gets enough credit for his Bowl wins.  His teams seemed well prepared to play in those games (and I'm not just referring to the Rose Bowl).  I remember fondly driving over to Tempe to watch the Bruins beat Miami who were being led by Freshman QB Bernie Kosar.  So my position on TD is not as harsh as yours.

Also, regarding his influence in today's decisions in Morgan Center, I do not believe for one minute that Dan Guerrero is going to let anyone get in the way of his hiring who he wants this go around.  He saw what happened last time and will not make that mistake again.  Plus he has earned quite a bit of credibility with his hiring of Howland and Savage.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 8, 2007 10:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

"well prepared"?
May be in the 80s. I went to UCLA in the early 90s. What I remember was how utterly unprepared Donapuke's team look against Wisconsin (Rose Bowl loss 94), how listless and lifless it looked against Illinois (a Dorrellian 6-3 Sun Bowl win 92), and how ridiculously pathetic it looked against Kansas in his last game (Aloha Bowl loss 95).

In his last four years except for the memorable wins against (awful SuC teams) Donahue's teams sucked donkey balls.

I think we must have been watching different games.

by bluestreet on Nov 8, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no question . . .
TD stayed on too long.  I was there in the late 70's/early 80's.  I think he did a respectable job taking a Wayne Cook quarterbacked team to the Rose Bowl, and even to the point of having a chance to win at the end of the game.  No argument about Terry's other flops you point out.  Also it is very true during TD's run against SC that their program was in disarray.  But who cares, "it was, what it was".

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 8, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at that RB
and dammit - Wayne just needed to throw the ball away! Would've given another chance to get in the endzone....on a side note - it was sickening to see the Wisconsin to Bruin fan ratio there...

by gorams77 on Nov 8, 2007 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!
Being in the band and going from the high of beating $C at the Mausoleum to clinch the Rose Bowl and then the low of getting our butts kicked while surrounded by red sucked.  As if the red of $C isn't bad enough.

In the early 90's, our chant in the band during most games was "run up the middle, run up the middle, run up the middle, and punt!"

by AZBruin on Nov 8, 2007 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our chant
in the stands was "Up the middle Donahue!". He was infuriating with those.

by tasser10 on Nov 9, 2007 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Memo to ASU staff
Our first play of every series is a run up the gut.

Sorry to spill the beans, Bruins fans.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 9, 2007 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Donahue never failed to dissapoint -
just like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, TD always enticed us and we often fell flat on our backs too many times.

Does someone recall the 'SC game in the late 70's (78 I think) when the Bruins scored late in the 4th Q on a long pass to pull within a single score (10-17?).  There were about 3 minutes on the clock, and everyone naturally was looking for the obvious onside kick.  

There was a stunned silence folowed by boos when the Bruins lined up and kicked deep!  Donahue actually thought the Bruins would hold the Toejams for a 3-and-out!  Of course 'SC used up the remaining time.

I thought he overstayed by about 6 years.

He was fortunate to have started the win streak against 'SC band give us Cade and some other promising recruits but did little else in the way of coaching to raise the team out of mediocrity in his final years.

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This post explains so much!!
I went to UCLA during our glorious runs of 97 and 98. And, I like so many others heard over and over how Donahue had built this program; winningest coach in Pac 10 history and etc. But after our close call with history I watched as our program slowly sank into mediocrity. In 2001, I watched as DeShaun Foster's (who I will not blame) SUV-gate derailed what could haven been another great season. That year, while watching us lose to Stanford, one of our neighbors in the stands made a comment that went something like this: "Not again! Every year we start great and implode at the end of the season. This always happens."

I didn't understand it at the time, but this post explains so much: The fear of Victory, the bruised egos and psyche of the Bruin family, everything.

Let's not let this happen again: Hire Steve Spurrier!

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Nov 8, 2007 10:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post
A little nightmarish trip down memory lane for those of us who were not there or who do not know the full story behind TD.

This is why I will always have a soft spot for soft body Toledo.  I know his last couple of years were awful, but he was not conservative.  His teams played fun, exciting football.  And his attitude of playing for the NC was, simply, heroic in my mind.

Great job.

by Barnes2JJ on Nov 8, 2007 10:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BT just didn't seem quite the same after
the dissapointing end of the '98 season and not being able to find an adequate replacement for Cade.   UCLA always seemed to be in a QB shuffle due to injuries and subpar performances since.  How BT couldn't come up with a better QB than Cory Paus remains a mystery to me.

Wasn't there some rumor concerning a "Cade" curse '98 'SC game when Paul Hackett was upset and complained about Cade still being in at the end and actually running for yardage instead of taking a knee?

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree on Toledo
I would rather watch a losing Toledo team than a winning Dorrell team.  While winning brings a sense of satisfaction, as a fan I also want fun, unpredicability and excitement.  Watching Bosie State last year against Oklahoma made me a big Peterson fan.  That's what we need after Toast to restore the fun and excitement in UCLA football.

by Bruin77 on Nov 8, 2007 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Toledo
I agree, the Cade years with BT re-energized my interest in Bruin football after years of Terry D's mediocrity. BT was a risk taker on offense, that's for sure. Terry D always looked confused on the sideline and how many delay of game penalties I recall when he couldn't make decisions. It's amazing that he was able to recruit the talent that he had over the years.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Nov 8, 2007 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want an experienced HC...
... but NOT ONE WHO WAS COACHING WHEN TEFLON TERRY WAS COACHING US!!!!!!!!

Heck no on Rich Brooks.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Nov 8, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hard to believe TD was there 20 years!
A great post... thanks!  I remember being a high school kid in the mid-late 1980s and being so flustered with TD's inability to win big games. I remembered feeling numb when our '87-88 teams led by Troy Aikman no less, couldn't beat mediocre Rodney Peete-led $C teams...

When I started at UCLA in the fall of '89, it was arguably one of the worst football seasons in Westwood, 3-7-1.  Horrible, horrible season. about five or six of those losses could have been won, thanks to Donahue's style.

There's a reason, Niner fans today in SF are suffering:   His name? Terry Donahue. Once TD got his hands on that program, it went south. They're trying to rebuild it now, but with little luck.

I second what the above fellow alum said about Toledo. He did some good things, he spiced it up a bit. Probably not enough focus on defense, but his offenses were pretty potent.

Go Bruins!

W.S. Montano Class of 1994

by wsmontano1994 on Nov 8, 2007 11:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just like Coach Toast, I don't recall TD taking
responsiblity  for losing games, or losing seasons.  He blamed QB Bret Johnson for the results of '89 season.   Not wanting to play for a coach who openly 'dissed him, he transferred to Michigan State, where he disappeared into oblivion, as far as I can recall.

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying . . .
to "protect" the legacy of TD, but I don't ever recall him blaming any players for losses.  Bret Johnson left UCLA (to my recollection) after Homer Smith selected Tommy Maddox as the starting QB (better arm strength was mentioned as a key reason).  Johnson couldn't stand the thought of being second string, so he took the easy route and immediately transfered after the decision.  Also Smith ended up being correct, as Maddox had a great next season (with some degree of future NFL success) and Johnson couldn't even start consistently at lowly MSU and was last seen holding a clipboard for the Spartans which is the same thing he does now for Mission Viejo HS.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 8, 2007 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Donahue was a whiner
always whined about injuries. A pathetic woe is me kind of a loser.

by bluestreet on Nov 8, 2007 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best Thing About Bret Johnson Leaving
was his brother Rob would not consider UCLA.  Rob went to $c were we beat him all four years.

by Bruin77 on Nov 8, 2007 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, that clears things up. Maddox did pretty
good in '90, too bad the Bruins didn't.  That shootout he had with RoboQB Todd Marinovich was one to remember.  We should have won that one.

Too bad Maddox was lured early to the NFL.  I can only immagine how the 92 & 93 seasons would have come out had he stayed.

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

actually...
I remember this vividly because I knew one of the parties involved.....

Bret Johnson sucked so badly in 1989 that TD opened up the QB competition the next spring. He lost to none other than Jim Bonds (not to be confused with James Bond). [I was acquaintances w/ Bonds' then-girlfriend so I remember her elation when he was given the starter's role]... Bret whined about it and transferred, as you stated. Fall of 1990, Bonds I believe was hurt early in the season, TD let an unknown Tommmy Maddox into the game and the rest is history.

Maddox was a true gunslinger. Had he stuck around, he would likely have done much better in the NFL.

W.S. Montano Class of 1994

by wsmontano1994 on Nov 8, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right about Bonds, I think he had a
seasonending leg or knee injury in the season opener - never to play for UCLA again.

Seems we had a lot of QB's go down with injuries throughout the decades.   And some who should have never played QB - Steve Bukich anyone?

We were fortunate to have Cade make it through four years unscathed.  Sure'd like to have another one like him.

by bruinhawk on Nov 8, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,
Didn't Bonds get into a couple of games after Cook got hurt in '92?  Or am I confusing him with Rob Walker, another slowfoot QB?  
The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 9, 2007 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right about Tommy
I was so pissed at him for leaving as a sophmore.  Memory a little hazy but pretty much no one in the QB position ever left after So season - even today (too lazy to verify) - I think Vick is the only one I can think of that left after So season...

by gorams77 on Nov 8, 2007 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Shiver,
I think that Maddox was the heir apparent, but IIRC, the "official" announcement at the start of the '90 season was that Jim Bonds won the starting job. He seemed like a nice kid but he was the slowest QB in memory in terms of mobility. Bonds made BO look like Fran Tarkenton.

And as some of us grizzled ones recall, Rob Johnson made a corny vow to beat UCLA as payback for the wrong done to his bro.  

"Hey Rob, how'd that revenge angle work out for ya?"

Okay that was mean.  Funny, tho'

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 9, 2007 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What a sad story
That is a very sad reminder of so many of the problems with Donahue:

(1) The mediocre finish to his career helped a whole generation of Bruins view .500 records as the norm. In 7 seasons after Aikman left, he went 44-35-1, managed only two seasons of more than 7 wins, and went 1-2 in only 3 bowl appearances. Those 2 seasons of more than 7 wins were 1991, 9-3, which was aided by our not having to play co-#1-ranked Washington and ended with an ugly, conservative win against the Illini where I was so angry about TD's settling for FGs that fellow fans told me I should not be wearing UCLA letters and I went shirtless in the 30-degree weather, and 1993, 9-4, which ended with a loss to an inferior Wisconsin team in a sea of red at the Rose Bowl. His other 5 seasons, the team went a combined 26-28-1. Mediocrity by definition.

(2) So many specific games where Donahue's conservatism killed our chances to win and killed our spirits, two that specifically scarred me: 1989 USC, the 10-10 tie after TD calls 3 straight running plays when we advance to USC's 35, resulting in a net two-yard loss that was key when Velasco's 54-yd FG hit the crossbar; and the 1991 Sun Bowl mentioned above (basically like the 1989 UW game, only Illinois didn't score a TD in the end thanks to Arnold Ale.

If you consider his last 7 years, Donahue is as bad as Dorrell, both would register about a 2 on a scale of 10. If you consider the 80s, Donahue grades higher. The bottom line here is that Donahue's last 7 years were unacceptable and should have led to his being fired before he took the CBS announcing gig. Because the end was so bad, we should not consider his opinion in hiring a new coach, much like Florida did not ask Ron Zook to help them hire Meyer, Ohio State didn't ask for John Cooper's opinion and USC didn't ask for Robinson, Hackett or Smith to weigh in on Carroll.

by BruinsRule on Nov 8, 2007 11:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

SF 49ers
I didn't follow the SF 49ers situation closely, but I'm not too sure we can really blame their demise on Donahue. From what I understand, that team was going to implode because the previous GM had a win now mentality which dealt with the salary cap by rolling  their contracts into the future until it could no longer be ignored and be unmanagable at that point.

by dana on Nov 8, 2007 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

uh no
I follow the Niners extremely closely. And I will certainly blame Donahue for playing an active role in destroying my favorite professional football team.

F' Donahue.

by Nestor on Nov 8, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As O jave said before,
you have to give Donahue credit when it is due.  And ruining the 49ers is certainly something for which credit should be taken.  As you may have guessed, I have never been a fan of the 49ers.

by Fox 71 on Nov 8, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lead Sitting
As an '84 graduate I endured years of watching the Bruins get out to an early lead only to have TD tediously sit on a lead turning what should have been routs to nervewracking victories or senseless losses. I'd much rather have the dash of a Toledo highwire act than the spirit killing TD era. Hire Chris Petersen!

by 1984again on Nov 8, 2007 1:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Donahue drove everybody crazy
but at least he had a recognizable strategy, maddening as it was, and he was far more competent than the current occupant of the HC position, though he faded towards the end. But DG has to be smarter than to listen to any Dorrell advocate, doesn't he? The current situation is clearly indefensible. I am hoping that Guerrero will want to put his own stamp on this hire and not listen to everybody and his brother.

by Oldguy on Nov 8, 2007 1:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mixed Feelings
In the 30+ years I have followed UCLA I have always had mixed feelings about TD.  Yes, I was happy with the Rose Bowl wins following the 82, 83, and 85 seasons.  And I thought rolling into Columbus, Ohio and battling Ohio State (and you knew they were out for revenge after we dropped them 23-10 on 1/1/76) to a 10-10 tie was right up there with that classic Michigan St. - Notre Dame 10-10 tie some 10 years before that.  But there were also games that we lost that just left me baffled.  Examples?  How about the '77 season when we lost to the goofy Gophers up here in Minneapolis 27-17?  Or, how about going to Lawrence and getting dough-popped by a horrible Kansas team and also losing the inside track to the Rose Bowl when we lost to Oregon St. 15-13 in '78?  Oh, and one I got to witness in person during the '81 season: In Iowa City against Iowa.  That day the Hawks just made minced meat out of our "O" line and Tom Ramsey whipping up on us 21-10.  True, Hayden Fry did take Iowa to its first Rose Bowl in over 20 years that season but we were so unprepared for that game and it showed.  Even worse, a blocked FG against USC prevented us from getting a rematch with the Hawkeyes in the Rose Bowl that season (you may remember Washington beat Iowa 28-0 in the Rose Bowl game and we beat Washington 31-0 that season).  

In the final analysis, Donahue simply stayed on too long; trying to ride the coattails of some of the earlier success he had at Westwood.  Now is Dan Guerrero's chance to hire a big name coach; someone who can really take us to that next level; where we're competing for conference titles, B.C.S. bowl games AND NC's on a consistent basis.  My hunch is that DG, having already snared a great coach like Ben Howland, will do it again.        

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 8, 2007 6:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A Correction.......
The score of that '81 game against Iowa was 20-7.  Seven years earlier we had also lost at Iowa 21-10.  Still sucks however you look at it.  

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 8, 2007 6:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, horse ****!
I totally disagree with Donahue talking up Mr. Excitement.  Wrong guy, wrong place, wrong time.  

But aside from singling out a handful of chunked performances over twenty freaking years your post proves zip in my mind, and I've been watching bruin ball since '67.  

Tell me, without Donahue, what is the winning tradition of Bruin Football, besides those seven magical "Red" Sanders years?  

Gonna sell me Bill Barnes?  
George Dickerson?
Tommy Prothro stayed barely long enough for a second cup of coffee.
Pepper Rodgers? 3 seasons, a few upsets, the Wishbone.  
Dick "I love you guys" Vermiel?  2 seasons.

The worst two things Donahue did AS A COACH was

  1.  stay probably 5 years too long (burnout - it's for real)
  2.  Get too weirded out during $C week.  Can you blame him?
     Consecutive wins against them were rare when he was a player, and essentially non-existent before Red.  Plus, if quirky shitty things were gonna happen, they always seemed to happen during the $C game.  Ask Prothro (1969 comes to mind)  Ask Rodgers (1973 and the Blair Pair were strangely shut down),  Ask Donahue ('76, '77,  '81, '85,  '87 , '89 and '90 all come to mind  as games that came down to quirky plays/calls/unusual events, and wound up losses.  He still finished with a winning record against SUC.  You gotta go back to Sanders to find another Bruin Coach who can say that.  

So, IMHO,  get the hell off of Terry D, peeps.  He oughta shut up about the failed experiment, and it would've been great if he'd won a title.  He did pretty damn good.  "nuff said.  Go ahead, banish me if you want,  I was there for a lot of those years and I know what the hell I'm talking about.  

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 8, 2007 7:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was there also
And my recollections mirror those of the original poster.  Donahue had some of the best talent in all of football but managed to under achieve almost every year.  I am surprised nobody mentioned the classic UCLA dive when UCLA was minutes from Number 1 only to lose to WSU at the Rose Bowl.  Classic confusion in the final drive..Classic conservatism with the future all pro Aikman.  Similarly, only the conservative Donahue could fail to get to a Rose Bowl game with the an all pro offense and defense that year or either year Aikman was here.  I diasagree with The Mad Bruin, but I hope his defense of Donahue does not equal a defense for his protegee, the worst coach in UCLA history...

by Gary72 on Nov 8, 2007 8:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, Gary
Read the second last sentence of my post - it addresses the concern raised in the last sentence of yours.  

'88 sucked rocks.   He had WSU at the half by 20 points IIRC, only to lose to loud mouth Rosenbach.  I remember one hot pass over the middle in particular - Bruin D had 8 in the box and the DBs showing blitz and Timmeh just burned the ball into a wideout on a 5 - 7 yard slant, and presto 65 yrd TD.    And they'd tried the play at least twice before, just missing it.  But you forget the $C game that year which was also lost, also led by a Heisman candidate (Peete was no Aikman, but he did hang on in the NFL for quite awhile).  The year ended with a drubbing of Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl  (pre BCS, okay, but a helluva long way from playing for peanuts in San Fran).  The same D that got jacked by WSU and $C held the Razorbacks to negative yards rushing.

My point was that it's fine to rag on Donahue for defending Mr .Excitement.  That is indefensible.  Too often Donehue is lumped into the same category as Dorrell as a coach, yet, the worst anything can say about him is that "he coulda shoulda woulda" done better.  He DID better, far better than Dorrell has, and earned his place in Bruin FB history.  I think it cheapens the argument (that Dorrell needs to be gone) - and undercuts credibility by taking so many gratuitous shots at a coach whose been gone for 12 years, and whose paper record is pretty d**n good.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 9, 2007 5:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well Said
Mad Bruin, I completely agree with your posts.  It is too easy and really ridiculous to take shots at TD at this point.  It does cheapen the argument, and even takes the focus off what is happening at the moment.  

As to the USC game (was it in '88??), I hang that loss on Eric Ball, who fumbled trying to go over the top from the 1 yard line and a sure TD that would have put the game away (if I remember correctly).  Troy Aikman listed in his biggest regrets as a football player (when he was enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame) the fact that his two teams never beat USC.  Well said Troy, and I'm glad you realize the significance.  But we did not lose those games because of Terry Donahue.

Today TD should keep quiet.  Surely he realizes the product that is being put on the field is far inferior from what he was delivering (before he overstayed that is), and not acceptable by UCLA standards.  He realizes a change likely needs to be made.  I know it hurts him because Karl Dorrell was one of his players and he was a good player and is a good man.

That being said, while I have gone on record as saying a change needs to be made, I will also say that if Dorrell can find a way to victory in the next three games and bring home a Rose Bowl, I will give him another year.  This will rankle a good many of you, but logic dictates that in this "Show-Me" season, a Rose Bowl will mean Dorrell delivered (and it wouldn't matter to me how ugly it was to get there).  Now we all know the odds of this happening are astronomical, but if he can find a way, then surely he must be retained.  Our talent alone will not be enough to produce these three victories.  He must dig down deep and deliver as a coach to make it happen.  Good luck Karl, I will be rooting for you.  (because it is not in my DNA to root against the Bruins)

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 9, 2007 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Forearm, thanks
for the props.  The "Ball" fumble game was '85. He redeemed himself in the Rose Bowl that Season by gaining over 200 yds and scoring 4 TD's in a blowout of Iowa.  

As for your offer of one more year in exchange for 4 straight victories?  Jeez, the cynical part of me won't stop laughing long enough to seriously consider the proposal. Not wishing this on you, but you're more likely to be struck by lightning while holding the winning 150 million dollar powerball ticket in a late-Spring Burbank blizzard.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 9, 2007 10:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can still hold out hope can't I?
After all, look what kind of absolutely crazy year it has been in College Football in 2007.  Wouldn't it be a fitting end to the madness to have UCLA and Karl Dorrell playing in the Rose Bowl?

ASU is a huge longshot, but we are playing at home and I am hoping for a miracle.  The oddsmakers (who usually have a way of knowing) say ASU is only a 6 1/2 point favorite.  This means they feel we will likely be in the game.

Mike Belotti just mentioned that Oregon is razor thin in depth at the moment due to injuries.  We will be coming off a bye and maybe have BO available to redeem himself.

SC is SC.  They are beatable this year.  Anything can, and will happen.

So please allow me to just hold out hope - if only just for a few more hours.

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 9, 2007 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

H-O-P-E
is a word that has gone missing in the Bruin football fan's dialect. Unless it's "I hope we get a good coach next year". The problem with what you're hoping for is that it means KD will stick around. Unfortunately, at this point, I can't hope for that. I hate the way I fell. Thanks Toast.

by tasser10 on Nov 9, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunate
Tasser it is truly unfortunate that you (and I am sure many other Bruins) feel like they can't root for the Bruins tomorrow.  3 games left and a Rose Bowl still on the line.  I think you need to pour yourself a few highballs, and put on Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers Live at the Fillmore East CD/Album.  It may not cure what ails you, but it may make you feel better for 23 minutes and 3 seconds.

Go Bruins!

by Forearm Shiver on Nov 9, 2007 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh lord I feel like . . .
I'm dyyyyyinnnn'

nuff said

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Nov 9, 2007 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"UP THE MIDDLE!...AGAIN!"

i do remember yelling that at games i saw in person and even those on tv, while CTD was our head coach….DONAHUE was not a genius coach…up the middle was his mantra on many plays…we had some great players and some wonderful teams that i still believe underachieved back then…hum…sounds like now too…

by bruincheerleader on Oct 18, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember a game against Oregon

under the Toledo regime. This is with DeShaun Foster mind you, and Oregon said publicly before the game they were going to stack the box and force “Who ever replaced McNown” to beat them. Sure enough Toledo ran the ball up the middle time and time again for an ungodly amount of 3 and outs.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Oct 18, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry.

I just remember 5 years of draw plays for no gain.

by Bruin'96 on Oct 18, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dragging out the old TD pinata, again?

I’m not picking up my stick, though. Okay, maybe a little.

Yeah, there were things about yesterday’s game that were reminiscent of the TD conservatism, yes. I also sat there thinking of Chuck Knox’s old LA Rams, too – although they at least played defense. Ours slept longer than a few minutes yesterday. Actually, they looked narcoleptic at times – one minute alert and agressive, the next minute bang, out cold and then pointlessly chasing Best and Vereen

TD’s conservatism was at times as incomprehensible as it was indefensible, true. At least two of Cal’s TDs yesterday were blatant examples of a-w-f-u-l defensive execution (Best’s 93 yard run -looked like OJ there in ‘67 for minute, and the Touchdown pass at the end of the first half come to mind). What Coach Rick needs to do is let the players have the opportunity to make plays. Forbath is a great kicker – no argument – but when a kicker becomes (or is) your most potent offensive weapon, it’s time to tattoo “L” on your forehead. Not gonna win many games that way.

I get that CRN’s recruits are only two years old, and he deservedly gets time to build the program his way, but at the halfway point of this season, one troubling thing is that he cannot shake Dorrellian entropy – the inescapable trend of the preceding coach’s tenure to field teams which get worse over the course of a season and not better. TD’s legacy was to inexplicably blow winnable games by playing not to lose – and do so at crucial moments. Dorrell’s problem was that seasonal progress was an oxymoron.

Right now, only WSU looks “winnable” if the focus and whole effort level and intensity don’t ramp up – and yet even the WSU game is in Pullman in November. 3-9 is possible, and that would be a monumental backward step.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 18, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is an excellent piece.

Dismantling the mythology of the Donahue era is critical to the turnaround effort. Nicely done.

by DexterFishmore on Oct 18, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

T. Donohue

The Donohue record is a myth. Homer Smith is the SOLE reason why TD had the record he had. Check the TD record in years Homer was at UCLA and the years when he was not. The true TD record is best shown when you see how well the SF 49’s did NOT do when TD was 100% in charge. TD also would NOT advance Neuheisel saying he was too young and not experienced. BAD judgement!! Give RN a couple more years and he WILL get it done.

by Lee B on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TD/HS

Homer Smith was TD’s OC for the 1980 through 1986 seasons and again for the 1990 through 1993 seasons. During these seasons UCLA went 87-37-5 (.694) and included some of the “notorious” bowl games that some folks like to bitch about, ie. 16-21 loss to Wisconsin in the ‘94 RB, 6-3 win over Illinois in the ’91 Sun Bowl, and the 14-33 loss to Michigan in the ’81 Bluebonnet.
In TD’s nine years without Homer, UCLA went 64-37-3 (.630) including an “upset” 10-10 tie of Arkansas in the ‘78 Fiesta, and victories over Florida and Arkansas following the ’87 and ’88 seasons.
I have alway thought very highly of Homer Smith and still do, but would disagree with the idea that he was “the SOLE reason” for any success UCLA had during TD’s tenure.

by bru79 on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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