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The Leading Head Coach Candidates - Talent Base

After watching tonight's game against southern cal, I was motivated to spend some time on scout.com's recruiting database, with the idea to examine the level of talent that the leading candidates to replace Dorrell have had to work with. In doing so, I used scout.com, using its rankings of each team's recruiting class as a proxy for the relative level of talent that each coach's team has.

I start with UCLA as a baseline for comparison, and have included what seems to be the consensus top-3 coaches of Bruins Nation - Chris Petersen, Bronco Mendenhall, and Paul Johnson. In addition, I also have listed Mike Leach from Texas Tech as a coach that does have a solid following, and a rumored desire for the job.

For the longer tenured coaches such as Johnson and Leach, some may wish to use this as an indication of recruiting, though the realities that these coaches face in recruiting to their schools should not be forgotten, a service academy and the #3 team in Texas, respectively. I do think this information may be helpful in seeing what these coaches have done with a given level of talent. The data I have included spans the 2003-2007 entering classes (this season's true freshmen-redshirt seniors).

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Scout.com class ranking, # of recruits, (# of 5 star/4 star/3 star recruits)

UCLA (Karl Dorrell)

  1. #36, 11 recruits, (1, 6, 3)
  2. #20, 22 recruits, (0, 6, 14)
  3. #24, 21 recruits, (1, 4, 10)
  4. #24, 26 recruits, (0, 4, 12)
  5. #35, 19 recruits, (0, 4, 4)
Totals:    99 recruits, (2, 24, 43) 69.7% 3-Star+

Texas Tech (Mike Leach)

  1. #44, 27 recruits, (0, 1, 13)
  2. #17, 34 recruits, (1, 7, 12)
  3. #36, 21 recruits, (0, 3, 8)
  4. #17, 26 recruits, (0, 0, 9)
  5. #37, 24 recruits, (1, 6, 8)
Totals:   132 recruits, (2, 17, 50) 52.3% 3-Star+
  • Of particular note for Leach: 65 Offensive recruits, 64 Defensive recruits, with some recruits listed on offense and defense.
  • Leach has signed about as many top-level recruits as Dorrell has over the last 5 years, though the larger number of recruits at Texas Tech causes the average rating/recruit to be somewhat less.
  • The recruiting classes at Texas Tech have been on average at the middle of the Big-XII, though in the bottom half of the Big-XII south division, where Leach has to recruit against Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma, as well as a rising Oklahoma State.
BYU (Bronco Mendenhall)
  1. #42, 27 recruits, (0, 4, 11)
  2. #46, 25 recruits, (0, 2, 4)
  3. #53, 18 recruits, (0, 2, 3)
  4. #55, 28 recruits, (0, 1, 6)
  5. #59, 13 recruits, (1, 1, 3)
Totals:   111 recruits, (1, 10, 27) 34.2% 3-Star+
  • BYU has a solid level of talent, particularly for a non-BCS conference program, its classes ranking 1st or 2nd in the MWC every year.
  • Recruiting quality seems to have improved some since Mendenhall took over, with 1/2 of this fall's class composed of players with a 3-star+ rating from Scout.
Boise St. (Chris Petersen)
  1. #57, 25 recruits, (0, 1, 9)
  2. #78, 18 recruits, (0, 0, 3)
  3. #73, 14 recruits, (0, 2, 4)
  4. #72, 25 recruits, (0, 0, 4)
  5. #73, 24 recruits, (0, 0, 0)
Totals:   106 recruits, (0, 3, 20) 21.7% 3-Star+
  • Boise State has also done well with a level of talent that is very strong for its conference (top-3 classes in the WAC every year), but certainly below that of the out-of-conference teams that it has played against with success under Petersen.
  • Together with the recruiting class verballed for next Fall (#61 overall), Boise's recruiting quality has improved under Petersen, and in the wake of last season's Fiesta Bowl campaign.
Navy (Paul Johnson)
  1. #118, 13 recruits (0, 0, 0)
  2. #93,  39 recruits (0, 0, 0)
  3. #117,  8 recruits (0, 0, 0)
  4. #107, 11 recruits (0, 0, 0)
  5. #110, 11 recruits (0, 0, 0)
Totals:     82 recruits (0, 0, 0) 0.0% 3-Star+
  • Over the past several weeks, Paul Johnson has steadily moved up in my thoughts regarding the ideal coach for UCLA, to the point that he was challenging my long-time #1, Chris Petersen. After looking through the recruiting data and noting just what talent these coaches have at their disposal, Johnson has become my new top choice to coach UCLA.
  • Except for 2006 - the ranking for which is boosted by the unusually large incoming class size - he has had one of the 10 weakest recruiting classes in Division 1-A each year, and yet won 8-10 games each year. I don't care what opponents those results come against, to have his level of success with one of THE least talented rosters in 1-A football has to tell you something about his coaching ability. Not one 3-star+ recruit on the team (compared to 70% 3-star + at UCLA, 52% at Texas Tech, 34% at BYU, and 22% at Boise).

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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The problem with Navy's recruiting is
that they have a height requirement in the Naval Academy so it is rare to see players going above 6'3''. But the bigger factor I think is that the Navy players are required to serve in the military after graduation, so the recruits are primarily there to go to the military, not playing football.

by uclachem87 on Dec 2, 2007 7:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Johnson must be a good coach
uclachem87... therefore, he must be a good coach. UCLA may never get all the top recruits, because those recruits must qualify or admission. Therefore (again), the coach must be a real good coach, as in Tommy Prothro, Red Sanders, Dick Vermeil, etc. Johnson, if he is in that category, could be a hero in Westwood, and a star in Hollywood. Someone else will have to determine if he has the poise to handle all that adulation and not break down.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Dec 2, 2007 8:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

hoo
Great diary. I had initially bumped it up to home page this am. But putting it in the diary section back again because this way it will be up top for a bit. Important stuff that folks should read. Good work as always.

by Nestor on Dec 2, 2007 9:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

thanks
It is another way to put the already-discussed performance of these coaches into context, or so I believe.

by bruinhoo on Dec 2, 2007 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Johnson for Coach in '08
I have preferred Johnson over Petersen because he has more time in the HC chair and has run different offensive schemes, a great indicator of adaptability.

Your study was a great example of "outside the box" thinking, and further proof of Johnson's abilities in my mind.

It's cross your fingers time, people! Hope we get a good/great coach!

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 2, 2007 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We're not going to get a great coach
because great coaches become great on the biggest of stages. No one we are going to get will have been on the biggest of stages. We're going to bring in a good coach and (fingers crossed) he'll become a great coach in the blue and gold.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 2, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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