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THE NEXT STEP

The main desire of BruinsNation.com ("BN") has been and will remain the continued success of UCLA Athletics in all areas.

While this may come as a surprise to most readers, the writers of BN believe that the termination of Karl Dorrell's employment as UCLA's Head Football Coach is not a cause for celebration, gloating, or cheering.

Although we have been highly critical of his job performance, it is always unfortunate when a person loses his job, particularly if that person is a fellow Bruin.

We respect and appreciate Mr. Dorrell's efforts to improve the program off the field of play, but regret that his decisions did not lead to consistent performance and sustained improvement on the field.  

Mr. Dorrell acted honorably in the handling of his release, and we sincerely wish him well in his future endeavors.

We here at BN believe that what is important now is a well-planned and well-executed coaching search, so that we can avoid having to revisit this situation in the next five years.

We hope that Athletics Director Dan Guerrero and the rest of the UCLA Administration make a sound and timely decision, and hire the best-qualified candidate to serve as our next Head Football Coach.

GO BRUINS.

-- Achilles, Ajax, Menelaus, Meriones, Nestor, Odysseus, and Tydides on behalf of BruinsNation.

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Thank You
Thank you Dan G. for making this a speedy yet classy firing of Coach Dorrell.

Thank you Dorrell for cleaning up our program, making a brave (however unsuccessful) attempt to bring our football program to excellence, and most importantly, being a fellow Bruin.

Thank you Bruins Nation for setting a high standard for our beloved school and making tangible progress to ensure a better future for all our student-atheletes!

by HK Bruin on Dec 3, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Good Post.

by Durant on Dec 3, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and I quote
"Obvoiusly, we will look for head coaching -- SUCCESSFUL head coaching experience as we move forward."

Thanks dpDan... at this point, that's really all we really need to know.

P.S. Great post guys. Way to rep The Wood.

   

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 3, 2007 1:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The cheering should not begin
until such time as we have hired a head coach that will bring our program up to the level it should be.  Celebrating what was the inevitable does us no good if there is an announcement that Mike Sherrard or J.J. Stokes has been hired to replace him.

Nobody ought to cheer the firing of anyone, but we can and should be pleased that the first step has been taken.  I did not cheer the firing of Steve Lavin, but celebrated very loudly when I heard that Ben Howland had been hired to replace him.  THAT was reason to shout and rally and gloat (toward the rest of the Pac-10) that UCLA was back.

So we'll wait.. I want to cheer, I want to celebrate, but will do so only when I find out that we have hired the football version of Coach Howland.

by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 1:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm
"While this may come as a surprise to most readers, the writers of BN believe that the termination of Karl Dorrell's employment as UCLA's Head Football Coach is not a cause for celebration, gloating, or cheering"

You guys can do what you want, but this Party Hat will stay on for quite some time!!!!!!!!!!

by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
Rejoice!!  Good riddance to KD!!!  

After 5 years of enduring the Doofus, after 4 years of wishing and hoping he would be gone -- and while I understand the official BN position -- the reality is that there's going to be a lot of celebrating, gloating, and cheering going on for all fans of quality UCLA football.

by bluegold on Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post guys
I appreciate your passion for this University.  Go Bruins!!!

by TheStick on Dec 3, 2007 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice Touch and Very Classy
I too take no joy in the firing of Karl Dorrell. He is, was and will be, a Bruin...forever.
What I rejoice in now is that our players...although sad for the Seniors...our players will now get a better opportunity to develop, grow and succeed.
I thank the players who signed on for this adventure and stuck with it for the five years. I am sorry that for many of them, this experiment just didn't work out.
To the new commit's and incoming freshmen know this, this change is a good thing. Trust in that this needed to be done. Take advantage of this and make the most of this chance.
If DG does his job right and gets us the HC that UCLA deserves, be ready to play in-front of 90,000 screaming fans at the Rose Bowl for the real deal.
This University is STARVED for success in Football and is ready to explode with support and energy and enthusiasm for the team. It's gonna be fun again in Saturdays! GO BRUINS  

by CalPolyBruin on Dec 3, 2007 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Status of UCLA football
The first concrete step has been taken to improve the football program. An inept, yet fellow Bruin, has been terminated. My feelings are the same as when Lavin left, "maybe the school is getting it right now and will move in a positive direction"..... so now the seond all important step, finding a right successor. I feel good because we are doing something to improve the lot of the football players themselves, the school AD, and the fan base.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Dec 3, 2007 2:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Do you guys really respect and appreciate KDs
efforts?
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 3, 2007 2:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sure
I really respect his ability to not take his mediocre job performance home with him at night.  I know I wouldn't sleep so well at night if I was screwing up a million dollar a year gig.

I appreciate the fact that he's not complaining about losing his job.

by bornagainbruin on Dec 3, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No
No I do not.  He did nothing.  How hard is it to tell a kid that if he screw's up he's gone, he had his share of problems though, so he didn't do anything bove and beyond the role of "babysitter" in my book.

by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But what I really want to know is....
Now that the business at hand has been taken care of...what will happen to DumpDorrell.com?

by Herschy on Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agree with this post... however
(and I realize I'm going to open myself up for a whole bunch of flak saying this)

I think it comes off awkwardly given all the name-calling of KD.  Don't get me wrong, I don't want him as the head coach of UCLA anymore than you guys did, but I think this post rings slightly hollow given all the "Doofus", "CTS", and similar monikers laid upon Karl.  I come to this site for the bevvy of information provided but quite honestly shudder at the prospect and sight of such infantile rhetoric.   The point was made countless times, no need to dress it with Raider (Trojan) Nation-like behavior and speech.  If we pride ourselves on class at UCLA, we should try showing it especially in the most difficult of times.

I'm glad you posted this and hope this site can move away from name-calling and trashing of individuals.

just my $0.02.  thanks for all your hard work in keeping Bruin fans informed.

go Bruins! dog.

by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 2:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I second your thoughts. This site is great for
thoughtful analysis and information, but the original post in this thread seems at odds with all the needless name calling and denigration that took place leading up to Coach Doreell's termination. As I've said before, many of the same folks on here who glorify Coach Wooden's principles are the same ones who have eagerly ignored them vis-avis the tone and content of their posts. Coach Wooden would no doubt be disgusted, I think, by many of the posts on this site that have been so vicious and vitriol filled towards Karl Dorrell as a person. That stated, I am glad we're on the way to getting a new coach and wish Mr. Dorrell all the best.

HB

by HoosierBruin on Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

gdog
I chose to refer to our former head coach as "Coach Toledo's Successor," which I ultimately shortened to CTS.  I chose that appellation because I so despised his body of work and so despised what he had done to our once proud football program that I could not bring myself to say (or write) his name.

That is not an insult or a put-down.  It is my feeling about a person who ultimately labeled me (and you) as a racist.  I do not apologize for refusing to say or write his name.  That is my prerogative.  If other people elected to use that same abbreviation, that is likewise the prerogative of each.  Similarly, if you elect to use his name and some honorific, that is your prerogative

I need no lecture from anyone on how I elect to express my feelings.  I especially need no lecture now, after having used that appellation for months.  If you perceived it as insulting or demeaning or in some other way, why did you not speak up about it at the time?  Now, in the afterglow of the termination, it seems a little late and a little stilted.

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

An observation
It is interesting how many people are now posting telling everyone to "take the high road" and laying blame on those who allegedly have not done so in the past.

Where has everyone been?

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 3, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why does that matter?
does every post require my or everyone's comment for anything one says to be valid?

What am I laying blame for exactly?  You're welcome to spend as much time as you like to point out any hypocrisy in my comments on this site over the past.  I'll gladly admit wrong if I'm found to be lacking in what I'm calling for.

I think the responses to my post show why I haven't necessarily pointed out every "transgression" because many of the name-calling persuasion cannot take criticism though the obvious contradiction in recent well-wishing contradicts previous tone.

hopefully we've all got our frustrations and name-calling out of our system now and can move on.  I don't think you need to be mean-spirited to be critical or disapproving of other's performance.

that is all.

go Bruins! dog.

by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this English?
I'm moving on, as should you.

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 3, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

appreciate the clarification on "CTS"
I never caught that reference the first time honestly.

I'm not providing a lecture per se Mr. Fox, but just pointing out the apparent incongruous tone of the posting, given all the dirt being flung constantly.

I don't think it is entirely necessary that I speak out about the name calling at every instance or in the first notice I had of it.  This isn't a legal proceeding here, simply a public forum where people are allowed to express their personal opinions.  

I don't have much of a problem with people saying what they wish as they are entitled to that right, as much as people are entitled a differing opinion or even a critique of your offering or anyone else's.  I make no personal judgments upon your character, I just found that these latest "sentiments" expressed towards (former) Coach Dorrell were inconsistent with what was written beforehand.

I apologize if you found my post a personal attack on you, that wasn't my intention to pick out you or any individual.  What I do desire is for Bruins to represent our institution with class and dignity, and while this post certainly has that in mind, I'm not certain I can say the overall tone of this blog has up til now.  Even if I had brought up issue with the name-calling before, it would have been drowned out with more previously.  Why it's appropriate here is because there's a rather apparent contradiction.  If we can all move on from this and let the past be the past without feeling further need to trash individuals (whether they bring it upon themselves or not) then that would be great and surely more along the standard we all would expect from our UCLA students, athletes, and representatives past present and future.

go Bruins! dog.

by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate the sincere feelings
I am ready to move on, but I still have this foul taste in my mouth from the way CTS chose to leave.  He found it necessary to take one last shot which in my opinion was undeserved and certainly unnecessary.

He will always be CTS to me.  I'm glad he's gone, and I wish he had left his TWO MILLION DOLLARS in the University's coffers to pay to a real coach.

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fox71
You need to be gentle with Fox71, if you didn't already know. While he sounds sharp and in control, he is really going from golf outing to golf outing trying to not get too much sun. However, I do understand, since KD has gone bye-bye (with his $2MM buyout) that Fox71's handicap is scheduled to plummet and that he will be stripping his playing opponents of their gas money!!
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Dec 3, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Touche
The galling part of it is that I'm sure CTS has a much lower handicap than I do.  

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA
yeah but Fox come on now.. we laid it PRET-TEE thick there over last few months, and your "CTS" designation was the LEAST harsh label Dorrell was assigned... I often wonder if any of Karl's friends ever hurl shit like "Hey Karl, ya TOOL, when's the ribs gonna be ready?!?!" or "Yo, DOOFUS! CATCH!" in that nice little Stephenson Ranch backyard of his...

Fact is, G-dog, you're right: THIS WAS WAR and while few here would offer apologies for saying and doing what we did to WIN BACK OUR BELOVED FOOTBALL PROGRAM  from an utterly unworthy coach, we do have the stitch, home training and yes -- CLASS -- to sit back down at the table with our brothers and draw out a livable armistice.

That's the way it is with Family sometimes.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 3, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.
I rarely come to BruinsNation.com, despite the fact that it truly is one of the best blog spots to find all of the most recent and relevant information regarding UCLA sports.  I rarely visit because of all of the name calling, the trash talking, the negativity towards our coach and our players that is intertwined and underlying throughout this information.  

With the news of Dorrell, I thought I'd check the site out to find all of the relevant articles regarding his release.  I am extremely shocked to find this post, "The Next Step," a post that rings of a maturity and classiness that BruinsNation has lacked for the past few years.  It would be refreshing to see if it didn't mostly strike me as ironic, out of place, and empty.  

Do you so-called representatives of BruinsNation really expect those people who have visited the site, even sporadically, to believe this anti-gloating, anti-celebration message?  

Now that you have your way, it is easy to pretend to take the high road.  Perhaps in the future you will remember the guilt and embarrassment you must feel looking back on the horrible things you've said about, as you call him, a "fellow Bruin."  This is not to say that criticism was unwarranted or should be censored; however, there is always a classier and more appropriate way to go about being critical, of which BN has been devoid.  

It is obvious from this latest post that there is a definite image change taking place.  I hope that this new, more mature version of BruinsNation will remain and the old, childish ways of the name calling and constant negativity towards our Bruin coach and, worse, negativity towards certain of our players will now cease.  That, alone, would be reason for celebration.  

It would be nice to be able to come to this site and read articles about the UCLA teams without all of the nonsense.  Please remember BN's "main desire" as you call it, and continue to post with the same level of class.

by Chellabelly on Dec 3, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...What?
Credibility on what?  That I rarely come to BN, or that I'm disgusted by all of the childish negativity?

by Chellabelly on Dec 3, 2007 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have yet to contribute
anything of significance, so remind me why anyone here should care what you have to say?

by Tydides on Dec 3, 2007 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you rarely come here
then you have no business telling us that we're childish.  You don't have any idea because you're never here to read anything.. oh, except the name-calling.

by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Christ, it gets worse
I just read your comments that Ty posted, which I should have done first.. Ty is right: your credibility is gone.

by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Start your own cheerleading blog
No one puts a gun to anyone's head and makes them read BN. If you have problems with the many different opinions and personality types on this site, then start your own.

I, for one, am not comfortable calling other people names (except laving of course), but I have no problem with those who do. This is a sports blog for chrissakes!

by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To Paraphrase Gerald Ford......
"Our long (Bruin)national nightmare is over".

The words, "be careful what you wish for" keep coming to mind, but I am confient this will all work out for the better.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by HoozierDaddy on Dec 3, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nope....
Can I join?

I'm on there with a page from my office here at Pepperdine.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by HoozierDaddy on Dec 4, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CTS was consistent to the end.
The BN moderators have consistently been fair to CTS.  When credit was due, it was given.  Since credit was rarely due, most of the comments were critical.  Most of the grown-ups on the site were likewise critical of CTS.  But almost always (I would say 99% of the time), the criticism from the grown-ups was fact based, and backed by data.  The opinions were invariably labeled as such.  Contributors were encouraged to back up their contributions with data, solid or otherwise.

Now, at the end of the Reign of Error, the moderators and many of the contributors took the high road with CTS.  Mr. Guerrero took the high road.  Most of the comments have been quite respectful, as would be expected from the ladies and gentlemen of the BN.

There was only one person who took a parting shot.  That was CTS.  He had to throw in a shot at Toledo.  That was totally unnecessary and not the mark of a gentleman.  Just as he could have elected to walk away from the racism bait thrown out by Mr. Steeter, he could have told the person who drafted his statement to take no shots at anyone.

If CTS has made his statement as a comment at the BN, he would have been asked to provide the factual support for his statement about leaving the program in better shape than he found it.  But he just takes the shot and walks away (with $2,000,000 of the tax payer's dollars.)

To me, that shows the ultimate consistency for CTS.  He is not a gentleman.  He lacks the class that I would expect from a Bruin.  Twice he had opportunities to take the high road.  Twice he failed.  And in these recent failures, he shows that his character is consistent with his coaching ability.  

Shakespeare said it well, as he often did:  "Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it."  It would have been nice to remember a departure with dignity.  Instead, I will remember him in a somewhat different light.

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 3:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am glad he is gone...
and I wish him well.

Given the choice, I would have been much happier with a successful Dorrell tenure which would have meant a successful UCLA football program. But that didn't happen and so I am happy that UCLA is moving forward.

This was just a bad situation that needed to be corrected. Any animosity expressed in the past few years toward Dorrell should be taken as frustration felt by fans who believed that he and his staff were not delivering on job performance. Name calling etc. come with the territory. It isn't like people were picking on his children and wife. BTW, feel free to call me any name you like, including "Doofus," if you plan on giving $2 million for not having to show up for work anymore.

Again, I would have been much happier with a different outcome. My feelings today are nothing like they were the day lavin was fired. That was pure and utter joy.

Go Bruins!

by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 3:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
I agree with Fox 71 and think this "shallow" remorse is as shallow as Dorrell's statement.  I cannot forgive the man for destroying any enjoyment I had with Bruin football and compounding it with the "race card", comments like "I sleep well at night", and arrogance in sticking to a system that was proven wrong year in and year out, at almost any university where it was tried (WCO). I did not read many laments with the yearly Dorrell firings of Assistants (who had to take the hit for Dorrell's incompetence). I also believe that the crack at Toledo was classless.  While there was no doubt that Toledo had to go, it is unclear to me how the program has improved.  The hiring of Scott (under dubious circumstances) is no better than the parking sticker nonsense...

by Gary72 on Dec 3, 2007 3:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good post
And great way to pivot into future. I am not going to miss Dorrell because of the way he has embarrassed our alma mater and insulted all of us. But I do wish him luck.

Go Bruins!

by bluestreet on Dec 3, 2007 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Disingenuous
I have been a supporter of this site and agree with most of the things you guys have to say (including the bulk of this post).  That being said I have to say that the tone and sentiment of this post seems a little insincere and unnecessary.  

by loydmilligan on Dec 3, 2007 3:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys
For putting into words what many of us feel.  For all his failures on the field, KD is a Bruin and did clean up the program a lot.  He is a good and classy guy, but just wasn't a good HC.

I hope DG and the selection committee do a thorough search for our next HC.  I'll throw the official party of Paul Johnson is hired!

by hspigskinfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

In the years that come..
Not to pile on, but I agree we should not have engaged in the name calling. My policy in posting to any site (principally BN and DD) was to never refer to the now-former head football coach as anything but "Dorrell" or "Mr Dorrell" or "Karl". (I believe I only violated that once.) But, to do otherwise would have detracted from the credibility of any point I wished to make.

That having been said, there are a lot of people on this site and DD who are very fervent on the topic of competent leadership for UCLA athletic teams and programs. To us/them, paraphrasing Red Sanders, this is not about life and death, it is much more important than that.

May of us have been in disagreements with friends loved ones where, in the heat of battle, unkind remarks were carelessly made and regretted later. In most cases,, expressing regret at our choice of words. But we are human; The same God that gives us the passion to argue with fervor gives us the love and respect to make amends.

I am glad this is now over and we can turn our attention to the prospect of having a new football coach at UCLA. As for Karl Dorrell, my only misgivings are about the enormous sum of money that UCLA will have to pay. However, a deal is a deal; it works both ways and, in a way, Karl Dorrell sort of earned the money.

As I said in an earlier post somewhere, he is also the recipient of the entry "HEAD FOOTBALL COACH, MAJOR UNIVERSITY, 5 YEARS" on his resume. That is probably more valuable than the money he will be paid over the next several years. If he is smart, he will find a position at some university who will be more than glad to have him as their coach. Hopefully there he can work to correct the mistakes he made at UCLA and become a good football coach in 10 years. Hopefully, he will realize what an opportunity he squandered in his youth.

..perhaps it is well for us to forget the past five years and only remember the highlight films of his excellent TD catches in the numerous games (regular season and Rose Bowls). Perhaps, after several years, this enmity will pass and the images on those highlight films will become fond memories again.

by whp68 on Dec 3, 2007 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Specifically . . .
Criticisms of Dorrell's coaching were justified.

Condemning his tendency to publicly name his players for their errors (and blame others for his failures) was necessary.

The name-calling did not honor UCLA.

Amillennialist

http://amillennialist.blogspot.com

by Amillennialist on Dec 3, 2007 4:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully now that
KD is gone, we can go back to focusing all our hatred and invective on the one rightful target

by Linguica on Dec 3, 2007 4:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hold On
Everyone needs to stop being so darn "PC" and just say what you really feel.  Come on, no one really knows who you are on these boards, why hold back?  Are we now afraid of "virtual scorn"?  Heck, I could not stand Dorrell, I am excited that he is gone, it makes me feel good, he ruined something that I hold dear to me, I could care less what he does from here on out, good riddance, don't come back.  He was not classy until the end, that was a prepared statement, he threw his players under the bus actually.  I am so happy that we get to watch a team get rebuilt (and we still have some pretty good talent that can be groomed ny a good coach)and hopefully be really successful in the next few years.  There is no pressure now, we can relax and ENJOY UCLA FOOTBALL AGAIN.  We can now post on the positive developments coming out of camps, etc. rather than argue about what we hate most about a coach.  This is truely a great day!  

by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 4:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hated his decisions, not the man.
And yes, I engaged in name-calling during KD's tenure.  I admit it, because I did it.  Anyone who can use the "search" function here can tell you that.

At the same time, I am actually sad that we had reached the point where an alum and former player had to be fired in order for our football program to take the next step.  Anyone who can use the "search" function here can tell you that I've stated as such for the past few weeks, as it became more and more apparent that KD's job was in jeopardy.

Do I think KD WANTED to do a bad or mediocre job as HC?  OH, HELL NO.

However, do I think he simply was not the best fit for the program at this time AT ALL???  YES, I DO.

I am still baffled, TO THIS DAY, at the odd coaching decisions and apparent mental errors over the years -- the lack of use of Manuel White during the first game; the equipment mishaps in the Emerald Bowl; the 4th down calls that led to scores; the punt-on-4th-down plays in opponents' territory despite having All-Conference placekickers; the predictable playcalling; the refusal to acknowledge problems with the WCO until last weekend; the Dominqiue Johnson redshirt; the use of starters in blowouts resulting in injuries; the multiple blown halftime leads in the last 2 years alone ...

... and I am saddened that there have been so many that I can even recite this kind of list straight from memory, and know that it's incomplete.

I would have LOVED to see KD lead this team to the Pac-10 title this year.  Sincerely, I would have.  

And now, UCLA had to fire one of our former players.  Just great.  

I am not enjoying watching KD lose his position.  Not one bit.  

Instead, I am looking forward to DG hiring a good, exciting coach... and I would much rather see him land on his feet at a mid-major or Div. I-AA school, build his W-L record, and ENJOY coaching.

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Dec 3, 2007 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Although it came close to getting personal many times with what I perceived as him throwing assistants and players under the bus and using the race card (before he threw Streeter under the bus). Despite all the "Sleeper" stuff, I believe he tried, because how could you not? He simply didn't have what it took. Maybe Carnesale should ultimately take the heat for this. I don't know, and at this point, don't really care either. After all, we still have a coach to hire.

by Tydides on Dec 3, 2007 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness
One of my professors spoke about KD's firing today in class. She's a history professor (so she would know a thing or two about athletes and their academics). She said that the academics under Dorrell have GREATLY improved from Toledo's days. As far as other off the field problems, I think we're all familiar with the handicap placards, DUI's, etc. Were those big enough issues to fire Toledo? Well, that's up to all of you to decide. However, one things for certain, it didn't bring good publicity. As far as players are concerned, Dorrell did "clean up" the program.

Please don't attack me for giving Dorrell some credit. We're all (at least here at BN) perfectly aware of his ineptness as a coach, but at least he did something positive. That is all.

by OutOThsWrld on Dec 3, 2007 4:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We are all anonymous here, people!
Please stop worrying about whether or not you are going to be criticized and just state your opinion... whatever that opinion may be. Just say it and let the cards fall where they may. Just because someone criticizes your opinion, it does not mean that their criticism is correct. It is just their opinion. The same goes for compliments. Just because someone tells me I have great hair, it doesn't mean that I have great hair. It is just their opinion and not a mandate from the heavens.

BTW, I do have great hair.

Speak your minds people and don't be afraid of the backlash.

by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh - not so sure
Your hair, frankly, is so-so.  Not bad, but not great.

My hair, in contrast, is great.  And I can back that up with all the objective facts and figure you want!

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Comments like yours...
are exactly why I rarely come to this site.

by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I confess
I can't provide any objective facts re my hair.  But yours?  Meh.  Still so-so at best.

by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On Another Note
After listening to DG's press conference via the internet, I'm sure I speak for all of you when I say I'm glad that this is finally all over. Not to mention, Guerrero specifically said that we "need to hire the best candidate" AND that we "will hire a consulting firm" to "help evaluate the talent pool." This has just made my day and possibly my week.

Additionally, Guerrero stated that "this is not just a place for any coach" and that all the speculation about possible replacements is just that, speculation. This also brings relief because that means that candidtates that have not been mentioned in the media are still in the running. I have complete confidence in Dan Guerrero. Thank you Dan.You have brought UCLA football back!

by OutOThsWrld on Dec 3, 2007 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, and I agree.
But with the amount of (sometimes vicious and unrelenting) name calling toward KD in the last 2 months, this rings a tad hollow.  Since when did anyone here care what outsiders think?

It sort of looks like the board is trying to win something back which it abandoned when it mattered most.  It's not that easy, nor should it be.  And the board isn't THAT important or influential.

Still, I agree with the words in the post, and what I usually think the board inspires to be.

Today was still a step in the right direction, and for that, I am thankful.

by rfirpo on Dec 3, 2007 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, verbal overkill
is just words. But what KD did to Bruin football...Nevertheless, let us, as the current phrase goes, move on with our lives. KD is in the rear-view mirror, his image rapidly receding. I, no doubt aided by a touch of senile dementia, can hardly remember Wyoming, Utah, Notre Dame, etc., etc., though a certain amount of pain and humiliation still lingers. My thanks to the managers and major contributors to BN. They did what they had to do.

by Oldguy on Dec 3, 2007 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

(OT) Haha, Billick is on KD's level in stupid
coaching. Called a timeout that the Ravens the game.

by sumo390 on Dec 3, 2007 8:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fixd
Ahhh how did it skip an entire word..."cost the Ravens the game."

by sumo390 on Dec 3, 2007 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Billick
Apparently they had the wrong personnel on the field and he felt they'd have been burned w/o the timeout. Sucks for them. The meltdown and flag thrown into the stands was hilarious.

The Patriots look really beatable.

by Raisin on Dec 3, 2007 11:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy
I'm happy he's gone and not apologizing to anybody for it.  After 5 years of wandering aimlessly in the wilderness, we now can see the Promised Land, and that to me is cause for celebration.  We could still stumble and not make it to the Promised Land, but being able to see it is a whole lot better than the wandering.

by Tommy Bruin on Dec 4, 2007 2:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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