THE NEXT STEP
The main desire of BruinsNation.com ("BN") has been and will remain the continued success of UCLA Athletics in all areas.
While this may come as a surprise to most readers, the writers of BN believe that the termination of Karl Dorrell's employment as UCLA's Head Football Coach is not a cause for celebration, gloating, or cheering.
Although we have been highly critical of his job performance, it is always unfortunate when a person loses his job, particularly if that person is a fellow Bruin.
We respect and appreciate Mr. Dorrell's efforts to improve the program off the field of play, but regret that his decisions did not lead to consistent performance and sustained improvement on the field.
Mr. Dorrell acted honorably in the handling of his release, and we sincerely wish him well in his future endeavors.
We here at BN believe that what is important now is a well-planned and well-executed coaching search, so that we can avoid having to revisit this situation in the next five years.
We hope that Athletics Director Dan Guerrero and the rest of the UCLA Administration make a sound and timely decision, and hire the best-qualified candidate to serve as our next Head Football Coach.
GO BRUINS.
-- Achilles, Ajax, Menelaus, Meriones, Nestor, Odysseus, and Tydides on behalf of BruinsNation.
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For those that want to hear the press conference
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 3, 2007 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thank You
Thank you Dorrell for cleaning up our program, making a brave (however unsuccessful) attempt to bring our football program to excellence, and most importantly, being a fellow Bruin.
Thank you Bruins Nation for setting a high standard for our beloved school and making tangible progress to ensure a better future for all our student-atheletes!
by HK Bruin on Dec 3, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and I quote
Thanks dpDan... at this point, that's really all we really need to know.
P.S. Great post guys. Way to rep The Wood.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 3, 2007 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The cheering should not begin
Nobody ought to cheer the firing of anyone, but we can and should be pleased that the first step has been taken. I did not cheer the firing of Steve Lavin, but celebrated very loudly when I heard that Ben Howland had been hired to replace him. THAT was reason to shout and rally and gloat (toward the rest of the Pac-10) that UCLA was back.
So we'll wait.. I want to cheer, I want to celebrate, but will do so only when I find out that we have hired the football version of Coach Howland.
by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
You guys can do what you want, but this Party Hat will stay on for quite some time!!!!!!!!!!
by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
After 5 years of enduring the Doofus, after 4 years of wishing and hoping he would be gone -- and while I understand the official BN position -- the reality is that there's going to be a lot of celebrating, gloating, and cheering going on for all fans of quality UCLA football.
by bluegold on Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post guys
by TheStick on Dec 3, 2007 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Touch and Very Classy
What I rejoice in now is that our players...although sad for the Seniors...our players will now get a better opportunity to develop, grow and succeed.
I thank the players who signed on for this adventure and stuck with it for the five years. I am sorry that for many of them, this experiment just didn't work out.
To the new commit's and incoming freshmen know this, this change is a good thing. Trust in that this needed to be done. Take advantage of this and make the most of this chance.
If DG does his job right and gets us the HC that UCLA deserves, be ready to play in-front of 90,000 screaming fans at the Rose Bowl for the real deal.
This University is STARVED for success in Football and is ready to explode with support and energy and enthusiasm for the team. It's gonna be fun again in Saturdays! GO BRUINS
by CalPolyBruin on Dec 3, 2007 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Status of UCLA football
Bill
by Mensgym on Dec 3, 2007 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys really respect and appreciate KDs
by silverlakebruin on Dec 3, 2007 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I appreciate the fact that he's not complaining about losing his job.
by bornagainbruin on Dec 3, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But what I really want to know is....
by Herschy on Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
agree with this post... however
I think it comes off awkwardly given all the name-calling of KD. Don't get me wrong, I don't want him as the head coach of UCLA anymore than you guys did, but I think this post rings slightly hollow given all the "Doofus", "CTS", and similar monikers laid upon Karl. I come to this site for the bevvy of information provided but quite honestly shudder at the prospect and sight of such infantile rhetoric. The point was made countless times, no need to dress it with Raider (Trojan) Nation-like behavior and speech. If we pride ourselves on class at UCLA, we should try showing it especially in the most difficult of times.
I'm glad you posted this and hope this site can move away from name-calling and trashing of individuals.
just my $0.02. thanks for all your hard work in keeping Bruin fans informed.
by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I second your thoughts. This site is great for
HB
by HoosierBruin on Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gdog
That is not an insult or a put-down. It is my feeling about a person who ultimately labeled me (and you) as a racist. I do not apologize for refusing to say or write his name. That is my prerogative. If other people elected to use that same abbreviation, that is likewise the prerogative of each. Similarly, if you elect to use his name and some honorific, that is your prerogative
I need no lecture from anyone on how I elect to express my feelings. I especially need no lecture now, after having used that appellation for months. If you perceived it as insulting or demeaning or in some other way, why did you not speak up about it at the time? Now, in the afterglow of the termination, it seems a little late and a little stilted.
by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An observation
Where has everyone been?
by Barnes2JJ on Dec 3, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why does that matter?
What am I laying blame for exactly? You're welcome to spend as much time as you like to point out any hypocrisy in my comments on this site over the past. I'll gladly admit wrong if I'm found to be lacking in what I'm calling for.
I think the responses to my post show why I haven't necessarily pointed out every "transgression" because many of the name-calling persuasion cannot take criticism though the obvious contradiction in recent well-wishing contradicts previous tone.
hopefully we've all got our frustrations and name-calling out of our system now and can move on. I don't think you need to be mean-spirited to be critical or disapproving of other's performance.
that is all.
by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this English?
by Barnes2JJ on Dec 3, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
appreciate the clarification on "CTS"
I'm not providing a lecture per se Mr. Fox, but just pointing out the apparent incongruous tone of the posting, given all the dirt being flung constantly.
I don't think it is entirely necessary that I speak out about the name calling at every instance or in the first notice I had of it. This isn't a legal proceeding here, simply a public forum where people are allowed to express their personal opinions.
I don't have much of a problem with people saying what they wish as they are entitled to that right, as much as people are entitled a differing opinion or even a critique of your offering or anyone else's. I make no personal judgments upon your character, I just found that these latest "sentiments" expressed towards (former) Coach Dorrell were inconsistent with what was written beforehand.
I apologize if you found my post a personal attack on you, that wasn't my intention to pick out you or any individual. What I do desire is for Bruins to represent our institution with class and dignity, and while this post certainly has that in mind, I'm not certain I can say the overall tone of this blog has up til now. Even if I had brought up issue with the name-calling before, it would have been drowned out with more previously. Why it's appropriate here is because there's a rather apparent contradiction. If we can all move on from this and let the past be the past without feeling further need to trash individuals (whether they bring it upon themselves or not) then that would be great and surely more along the standard we all would expect from our UCLA students, athletes, and representatives past present and future.
by gdog009 on Dec 3, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the sincere feelings
He will always be CTS to me. I'm glad he's gone, and I wish he had left his TWO MILLION DOLLARS in the University's coffers to pay to a real coach.
by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fox71
Bill
by Mensgym on Dec 3, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
Fact is, G-dog, you're right: THIS WAS WAR and while few here would offer apologies for saying and doing what we did to WIN BACK OUR BELOVED FOOTBALL PROGRAM from an utterly unworthy coach, we do have the stitch, home training and yes -- CLASS -- to sit back down at the table with our brothers and draw out a livable armistice.
That's the way it is with Family sometimes.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 3, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
With the news of Dorrell, I thought I'd check the site out to find all of the relevant articles regarding his release. I am extremely shocked to find this post, "The Next Step," a post that rings of a maturity and classiness that BruinsNation has lacked for the past few years. It would be refreshing to see if it didn't mostly strike me as ironic, out of place, and empty.
Do you so-called representatives of BruinsNation really expect those people who have visited the site, even sporadically, to believe this anti-gloating, anti-celebration message?
Now that you have your way, it is easy to pretend to take the high road. Perhaps in the future you will remember the guilt and embarrassment you must feel looking back on the horrible things you've said about, as you call him, a "fellow Bruin." This is not to say that criticism was unwarranted or should be censored; however, there is always a classier and more appropriate way to go about being critical, of which BN has been devoid.
It is obvious from this latest post that there is a definite image change taking place. I hope that this new, more mature version of BruinsNation will remain and the old, childish ways of the name calling and constant negativity towards our Bruin coach and, worse, negativity towards certain of our players will now cease. That, alone, would be reason for celebration.
It would be nice to be able to come to this site and read articles about the UCLA teams without all of the nonsense. Please remember BN's "main desire" as you call it, and continue to post with the same level of class.
by Chellabelly on Dec 3, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to fire up the
by Barnes2JJ on Dec 3, 2007 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...What?
by Chellabelly on Dec 3, 2007 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have yet to contribute
by Tydides on Dec 3, 2007 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you rarely come here
by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, it gets worse
by Class of 86 on Dec 3, 2007 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Start your own cheerleading blog
I, for one, am not comfortable calling other people names (except laving of course), but I have no problem with those who do. This is a sports blog for chrissakes!
by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To Paraphrase Gerald Ford......
The words, "be careful what you wish for" keep coming to mind, but I am confient this will all work out for the better.
by HoozierDaddy on Dec 3, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Have you been on my Facebook page? ;)
by bruinhoo on Dec 3, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope....
I'm on there with a page from my office here at Pepperdine.
by HoozierDaddy on Dec 4, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CTS was consistent to the end.
Now, at the end of the Reign of Error, the moderators and many of the contributors took the high road with CTS. Mr. Guerrero took the high road. Most of the comments have been quite respectful, as would be expected from the ladies and gentlemen of the BN.
There was only one person who took a parting shot. That was CTS. He had to throw in a shot at Toledo. That was totally unnecessary and not the mark of a gentleman. Just as he could have elected to walk away from the racism bait thrown out by Mr. Steeter, he could have told the person who drafted his statement to take no shots at anyone.
If CTS has made his statement as a comment at the BN, he would have been asked to provide the factual support for his statement about leaving the program in better shape than he found it. But he just takes the shot and walks away (with $2,000,000 of the tax payer's dollars.)
To me, that shows the ultimate consistency for CTS. He is not a gentleman. He lacks the class that I would expect from a Bruin. Twice he had opportunities to take the high road. Twice he failed. And in these recent failures, he shows that his character is consistent with his coaching ability.
Shakespeare said it well, as he often did: "Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it." It would have been nice to remember a departure with dignity. Instead, I will remember him in a somewhat different light.
by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am glad he is gone...
Given the choice, I would have been much happier with a successful Dorrell tenure which would have meant a successful UCLA football program. But that didn't happen and so I am happy that UCLA is moving forward.
This was just a bad situation that needed to be corrected. Any animosity expressed in the past few years toward Dorrell should be taken as frustration felt by fans who believed that he and his staff were not delivering on job performance. Name calling etc. come with the territory. It isn't like people were picking on his children and wife. BTW, feel free to call me any name you like, including "Doofus," if you plan on giving $2 million for not having to show up for work anymore.
Again, I would have been much happier with a different outcome. My feelings today are nothing like they were the day lavin was fired. That was pure and utter joy.
Go Bruins!
by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by Gary72 on Dec 3, 2007 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good post
Go Bruins!
by bluestreet on Dec 3, 2007 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Disingenuous
by loydmilligan on Dec 3, 2007 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys
I hope DG and the selection committee do a thorough search for our next HC. I'll throw the official party of Paul Johnson is hired!
by hspigskinfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In the years that come..
That having been said, there are a lot of people on this site and DD who are very fervent on the topic of competent leadership for UCLA athletic teams and programs. To us/them, paraphrasing Red Sanders, this is not about life and death, it is much more important than that.
May of us have been in disagreements with friends loved ones where, in the heat of battle, unkind remarks were carelessly made and regretted later. In most cases,, expressing regret at our choice of words. But we are human; The same God that gives us the passion to argue with fervor gives us the love and respect to make amends.
I am glad this is now over and we can turn our attention to the prospect of having a new football coach at UCLA. As for Karl Dorrell, my only misgivings are about the enormous sum of money that UCLA will have to pay. However, a deal is a deal; it works both ways and, in a way, Karl Dorrell sort of earned the money.
As I said in an earlier post somewhere, he is also the recipient of the entry "HEAD FOOTBALL COACH, MAJOR UNIVERSITY, 5 YEARS" on his resume. That is probably more valuable than the money he will be paid over the next several years. If he is smart, he will find a position at some university who will be more than glad to have him as their coach. Hopefully there he can work to correct the mistakes he made at UCLA and become a good football coach in 10 years. Hopefully, he will realize what an opportunity he squandered in his youth.
..perhaps it is well for us to forget the past five years and only remember the highlight films of his excellent TD catches in the numerous games (regular season and Rose Bowls). Perhaps, after several years, this enmity will pass and the images on those highlight films will become fond memories again.
by whp68 on Dec 3, 2007 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Specifically . . .
Condemning his tendency to publicly name his players for their errors (and blame others for his failures) was necessary.
The name-calling did not honor UCLA.
Amillennialist
by Amillennialist on Dec 3, 2007 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully now that
by Linguica on Dec 3, 2007 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hold On
by SunshineSandwich on Dec 3, 2007 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hated his decisions, not the man.
At the same time, I am actually sad that we had reached the point where an alum and former player had to be fired in order for our football program to take the next step. Anyone who can use the "search" function here can tell you that I've stated as such for the past few weeks, as it became more and more apparent that KD's job was in jeopardy.
Do I think KD WANTED to do a bad or mediocre job as HC? OH, HELL NO.
However, do I think he simply was not the best fit for the program at this time AT ALL??? YES, I DO.
I am still baffled, TO THIS DAY, at the odd coaching decisions and apparent mental errors over the years -- the lack of use of Manuel White during the first game; the equipment mishaps in the Emerald Bowl; the 4th down calls that led to scores; the punt-on-4th-down plays in opponents' territory despite having All-Conference placekickers; the predictable playcalling; the refusal to acknowledge problems with the WCO until last weekend; the Dominqiue Johnson redshirt; the use of starters in blowouts resulting in injuries; the multiple blown halftime leads in the last 2 years alone ...
... and I am saddened that there have been so many that I can even recite this kind of list straight from memory, and know that it's incomplete.
I would have LOVED to see KD lead this team to the Pac-10 title this year. Sincerely, I would have.
And now, UCLA had to fire one of our former players. Just great.
I am not enjoying watching KD lose his position. Not one bit.
Instead, I am looking forward to DG hiring a good, exciting coach... and I would much rather see him land on his feet at a mid-major or Div. I-AA school, build his W-L record, and ENJOY coaching.
M
by Meriones on Dec 3, 2007 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Tydides on Dec 3, 2007 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness
Please don't attack me for giving Dorrell some credit. We're all (at least here at BN) perfectly aware of his ineptness as a coach, but at least he did something positive. That is all.
by OutOThsWrld on Dec 3, 2007 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We are all anonymous here, people!
BTW, I do have great hair.
Speak your minds people and don't be afraid of the backlash.
by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh - not so sure
My hair, in contrast, is great. And I can back that up with all the objective facts and figure you want!
by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments like yours...
by UCngLA on Dec 3, 2007 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I confess
by Fox 71 on Dec 3, 2007 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Another Note
Additionally, Guerrero stated that "this is not just a place for any coach" and that all the speculation about possible replacements is just that, speculation. This also brings relief because that means that candidtates that have not been mentioned in the media are still in the running. I have complete confidence in Dan Guerrero. Thank you Dan.You have brought UCLA football back!
by OutOThsWrld on Dec 3, 2007 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nice post, and I agree.
It sort of looks like the board is trying to win something back which it abandoned when it mattered most. It's not that easy, nor should it be. And the board isn't THAT important or influential.
Still, I agree with the words in the post, and what I usually think the board inspires to be.
Today was still a step in the right direction, and for that, I am thankful.
by rfirpo on Dec 3, 2007 5:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, verbal overkill
by Oldguy on Dec 3, 2007 6:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
(OT) Haha, Billick is on KD's level in stupid
by sumo390 on Dec 3, 2007 8:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy
by Tommy Bruin on Dec 4, 2007 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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