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Let's Get Walker's Name Out of Our Coaching Search Now

Bruin Blue lays out the issue that everyone in BN agrees on: Walker is not a credible candidate for the permanent position of UCLA head football coach. GO BRUINS. -N

Rumors, suggestions and more rumors. Who knows what is really happening? Petersen may well have removed himself from consideration. It is said that Mariucci's monetary demands are too high for UCLA to meet. Are we ready down to Plan C? Some say that Leach is the clear front runner; others mention Florida's OC Mullen. We still hear about Chow and Neuheisel. I certainly have my ideas about all of these; and I'm sure you do, too. We may disagree on some of them. But there is one thing that I would like to think that all of us at Bruins Nation can agree upon.

NO DEWAYNE WALKER

Walker for head coach is almost a worse idea than Karl Dorrell. Walker may (or may not) have more coaching ability than Dorrell; but coming after the misery of the Dorrell experiment, the very fact that he is even seriously mentioned is absurd. The man has been an assistant coach for over a decade and no one ever made him a coordinator until Dorrell decided to. And we all know how much acumen Dorrell has shown in his coaching hires. Now he has been a coordinator for two years. UCLA's record in that period is 13-12. Is that to be attributed to Walker? No, but coaching is always a team effort. Somehow UCLA scored less points than their opponents in 12 of 25 games. And it wasn't as if there weren't plenty of offensive explosions by the other teams. Cal's 45 last year. Oregon's 21 points in the first quarter last season. An offensively impaired Florida State's 44 in the Emerald Bowl. This year, injury-riddled Utah got 44. Washington 31. Washington State 27, with 541 yards and 31 first downs. Arizona 34 (27 in the first half). You know, I don't even think that Walker is a good defensive coordinator. Some will point with pride to the Cal game. We held a severely immobile Longshore to 21. In the other games after Longshore was hurt, Cal got 20, 20, 17, 23 and 13. We held Arizona State to 24, with Carpenter having all sorts of problems with his injured thumb. ASU also fumbled on our five-yard line. We held USC to 24, exactly what they got against Oregon State and Cal in two of their last four games. Oregon was playing with fourth- and fifth-string quarterbacks against us.

This work is not disgraceful by any means. It is better than the defensive work of Larry Kerr. But of course Walker had a veteran defensive unit this year and was expected to have a nationally ranked defense, and he had nothing of the sort. And as often mentioned, he has still never stopped one spread attack. The spread is becoming very much the mode in the Pac-10, and unless he can stop it, we are going to have one bad defensive effort after another. So I am far from confident that Walker is even one of the top thirty defensive coaches in the country. But even if one wants to make the case that he is, this is hardly enough to recommend him as a head coaching prospect. And so far no other school, no matter how woebegone its program, has ever actually interviewed him for a position. So why in heaven's name is he even being mentioned for the UCLA job? The answers are: because he is here, and UCLA can often not think beyond its own doorstep; because he has a cult of followers with their own agendas who continue to push him at every opportunity; because it makes some people feel better about firing a minority coach to want another minority to replace him; because in all the detritus of the Dorrell era, the defense at times was the only thing people could see as a positive, so they somehow want to latch on to that to start a new regime. And because far too many UCLA fans simply don't understand winning football very well.

If you think it's bad now, wait until and if Walker wins the Bowl game. It's far from impossible, since we beat BYU earlier this season with Dorrell coaching. leading 20-3 at half. I would never have made Walker the interim coach for that reason; but apparently there is a big effort afoot to keep Walker as DC. I am not in favor of that idea; and we may see why as early as next season. But I could live with it, if he attended to his job only, and did not attempt to gain his own sphere of power. The bottom line is that Walker should absolutely not be even considered for the head coaching position. Another problem with Walker's constant angling for this job is that it will make it almost impossible for UCLA to even consider another assistant coach for the position, no matter how dynamic or well-recommended. You would have the outcries from the Walker cult, and of course accusations that UCLA had bypassed an African-American assistant for a Caucasian one from another school. That means to me that UCLA is limited to current or former head coaches only. Far better if UCLA had simply let all the assistants fend for themselves (their salaries are guaranteed through next June), and assumed that the new coach would choose his own staff.

Before closing, I will add a few sentences about more credible coaching prospects. I realize that everyone has their own preferences, which is as it should be. But I would suggest that the favorable article about Mike Leach, while fun to read, could have been written in its own favorable context about any one of dozens of fairly successful head coaches. I am no big fan of Mike Riley, but his records at talent-challenged Oregon State favorably compare with Leach's at Texas Tech. Similarly, Mike Price is not a high choice of mine, yet he took WSU to two Rose Bowl games. I wonder exactly what Leach has accomplished down in Lubbock, with a 5-20 record against ranked teams. He has scored a lot of points with an offense which murders bad teams but often struggles against good ones; and he has given up a lot of points to almost all effective offenses, of which of course there are plenty in the Pac-10. I think that there is a very good chance that Leach ends up as our coach, so I do hope that everyone will go back and look at the past game-by-game results of him and some of the other coaches we might be considering. It's an effort, but we have made many efforts over the last five years, and this is the time for one last great push.

A few coaches not being mentioned at all, but certainly worth considering: Paul Johnson, with almost impeccable credentials. George O'Leary, tarred by lying on his resume, perhaps; but a very successful coach at Georgia Tech and now at CUSA winner Central Florida. Jim Grobe, who took Wake Forest to a BCS Bowl. David Cutcliffe, who actually went 44-29 at Mississippi, taking them to five Bowl games. Todd Graham, who had a winning season at woeful Rice, and just finished a 9-4 year in his first at Tulsa. Just some other suggestions during this rather unsettling time. The quicker we can get past this Walker nonsense, the quicker we can focus on the proven records of much more credible prospects.

- Bruin Blue

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Great post Blue
This effectively shreds lot of the garbage Walkerites are pushing on BRO.

by bluestreet on Dec 5, 2007 9:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I said it before
I am only in favor of Coach Walker being Interim Coach ONLY for the Bowl game, Didn't we make this same mistake once with the basketball team? Putting an Assistant Coach as Interim than deciding to make him the Head Coach? Yea and look where that got us, Hiring Walker as full time Head Coach goes against everything Dan Gurrero said on Monday. One game against a team UCLA should beat does not determine whether or not Walker will be a good college head coach.

by Bruin10 on Dec 5, 2007 10:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why
some people are making a larger deal of this than I think needs to be.  Guerrero essentially said in his press conference that he's going to be looking at someone with prior head-coaching experience.

You don't say something like that at your first press conference unless you're definitely going to stick to your guns on that.  Yeah, Walker's name is going to be there because he's the interim coach and I'm sure he gets a chance to interview, but I think it's fairly apparent that he doesn't have a real shot, especially with the groundwork that Guerrero laid out.

Plus, you don't hire an external search firm if your first choice is your own DC.  That would be kinda' stupid.

And - we're clearly not competing with schools for at least two options - Leach and Mooch.  That's where this search is going to end up, although I'm sure a bunch of names will be bandied about.

by CAJason80 on Dec 5, 2007 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

DG's comments were helpful
But I wouldn't underestimate the Walker campaigning that is going on in other boards.

by bluestreet on Dec 5, 2007 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Guererro has said alot of things
He also said that (paraphrasing) money will not be an issue in hiring a new coach. Now we hear that money is an issue with Mooch.

by Ajax on Dec 5, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Read that note too. But I wonder lot of the information are coming out by these Walkerites around Morgan Center who are spreading discouraging info just to get people in that "settle" mentality.

The messageboard is such a cesspool and crowded by so many stupid people its not even funny.

by bluestreet on Dec 5, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work Blue
I only wish there was a way we could look into the future and see what Leach could do with the type of recruits he could attract to UCLA.

If he could implement more of a running attack into his offense, which may be possible given better recruits, I'd be interested to see what he could do.

by Ajax on Dec 5, 2007 10:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Question
Why do you want him to implement a running attack? I truly don't mean this as an attack, I'm just curious.

For me, if you hire Leach (which I totally support), you have to let him come in and do his thing. I've read on various message boards where people have said things like, "I'd be okay with Leach if he ran a ball control offense." What? Why hire Leach only to force him to be Karl Dorrell?

If Leach is the guy, he needs free reign to run the offense the way he sees fit. That's the point of hiring him in the first place.

by Quickhands on Dec 5, 2007 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Implement was the wrong word
I should have said "incorporate."

The problem with Leach's system is that it puts the D on the field for a long time. When they score, they tend to score quickly.

If he could incorporate a running element into his system, it would take alot of pressure off of his defense in those cases where his team jumps out to big leads.

by Ajax on Dec 5, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough
I understand the concern. To me, the bigger concern is the kind of field position the defense takes over in, more so than the amount of time they are on the field.

Leach is my guy. And yet, as I posted somewhere else, I am very concerned that the whole search is a charade, and we will just end up with DW as head coach.

Really hoping that doesn't happen.

HIRE LEACH!

by Quickhands on Dec 5, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the issue with T-Tech's Defenses?
Is the fact that their defense is always on the field (and thus worn out) why Leach has a reputation of a poor defensive coach? Or is it a scheming/disinterest thing?

by kidro2001 on Dec 5, 2007 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well mostly
because "ball control" is what the game is all about. In the end, he who runneth the ball well, hath control of his season.

Doubt it? Look at the last 9-Sears trophy programs. They were the ones who mastered "ball control" by fielding stingy, title game-caliber defenses WHILE being able to turn on disciplined, clock-controlled, managed, long-drive oriented "denial" offenses when the game was on the line.

in the end, there's just a long, LONG way between asking Leach to "balance" out the "air raid" and turning him into DOR-VELL.

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 5, 2007 11:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You were making legitimate points until........
"You would have the outcries from the Walker cult, and of course accusations that UCLA had bypassed an African-American assistant for a Caucasian one from another school."

Going outside of the program has significant merit.  Only considering HC experience was one of the first things out of DG's mouth at the presser.

"He doth protest too much".....

by lnimoy on Dec 5, 2007 10:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Walker
Am told there is a portion of the players pushing for Walker's hire. And a potion that would rather not. Big concern among the boys is, pretty much like the rest of us, where's the offense going?

by kauwildman on Dec 5, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Players will be gone soon
They should have no say in who the HC will be.

by Ajax on Dec 5, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

____
ya screw the players, what do they know. guys on the message boards should have all the say!

by hbruin84 on Dec 5, 2007 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I really want the most important hire in UCLA football's recent history to be dictated by bunch of 18-21 year olds. That's the ticket.

by bluestreet on Dec 5, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My vote is for
Dohn, a name not previously in the mix.

He's condescending and a know-it-all.  How could he fail as our HC?  Or how about TJ Slimers?  He fits the bill, too.  Then, there is Streeter...

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 5, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I was having brunch with three
wealthy and influential alumni, they told me that Streeter had already turned down the job -- too many haters and racists at UCLA.

by Fox 71 on Dec 5, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if
your three wealthy and influential alumni connections are the same as mine?  They sure blew it on the Dorrell-firing.

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 5, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
well those same bunch of 18-21 year olds play their hearts and bodies out every week for you, so why dont you show them a little more respect. i think theyve earned that and the right to at least voice their opinion of who they want hired. i mean you get to, why cant they?

by hbruin84 on Dec 5, 2007 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They only get to voice their opinions
if they are having lunch with three influential alumni.

by Fox 71 on Dec 5, 2007 6:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
But we all know that the freshmen could outlast the new coach. Remember Vermeil.

by kauwildman on Dec 5, 2007 11:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need a whole new direction.......
So I would not be in favor of hiring Coach Walker.

I'm also not too sure about the idea of keeping him on as DC. Generally a new coach is allowed to pick his staff. This could, theoretically, become a stumbling block. Keeping him because some recruits were pursued by him is not enough of a reason.

Now if the new coach feels Walker did a good job as DC and wants to retain him, well, that's another story.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by HoozierDaddy on Dec 5, 2007 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Walker - Coach of Last Resort
I agree with CAJason80, the DW factor is getting blown out of proportion. When any job becomes vacant there is a natural tendency to look toward the number 2 guy as the heir apparent.  DW is the number 2 since he is the longest tenured coordinator. He is also getting credit for turning a dreadful defense into a mediocre defense. That being said, the AD's comments about wanting experience would seem to negate any advantage the in-house candidate may have.  

While we would all like to believe that UCLA can attract a home run candidate, however they are few and far between. Even $c had to resort to their third choice in their last coaching search. They settled on an NFL retread and got very lucky, if you don't mind constant issues with the NCAA.

There have been a few interesting possibilities discussed here on BN.  It is not like DW is the only viable candidate.  On paper, he isn't even close to many of the names others have identified like Johnson, Leach, Mendenhall or Mariucci. I feel comfortable based on his decision to let Dorrell go and from his comments this week to the press, that the Guererro has the best interests of UCLA football in mind as the powers that be go through the recruitment and hiring process.  I am willing to let this process unfold and withhold judgment until the new guy gets at least few games, if not a season or two, under his belt.  Even if that new guy is a compromise or we are in the same position that $c was in a few years ago and have to settle for less than the perfect candidate.  

I am as impatient as the next fan for UCLA to achieve the success in football we have been lucky enough to experience in basketball. I might even be initially disappointed in whoever is selected, but, we gave Dorrell five years, the least we can do is give his replacement, whoever that might be (even if it ends up being DW), a year or two to establish himself. Right now I want to focus on the positive; there will be a new coach next year.

by Bruin77 on Dec 5, 2007 12:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let's let DG do his thing
My fear up until Monday was that DG would do nothing - that he would leave CTS in command.  Now that he has pulled the pin, I think we need to show a little confidence in him.  His last two hires were home run hires (Coach Howland and Coach Savage).  That's only two selections, but it's two pretty darn good ones.  

If we hear that he's got a selection committee consisting of Carnesale, Field, Dohn and Streeter, then we panic.

by Fox 71 on Dec 5, 2007 1:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I trust DG
I agree with Fox, and I have said the same thing on here many times lately.  When DG was in control, and not voicing the chancellor's pick, he got us two gems in basketball and baseball.  He has already laid out his criteria for our next coach, and it happens to exclude DW (even if the team rallies around him and drops a 70-3 ass kicking on BYU in Vegas).  

So I trust DG with this oppportunity and can comfortably watch this process from the sidelines.  The politicking for Leach or Mooch or Johnson or whomever is just getting me confused as to who is best.  Which is okay, because I trust DG to sort through that and get us the right guy - again.

Oh, and remember, the girls soccer team is going for #101 this weekend, beginning Friday v the spoiled children.  Go Bruins!

greg in denver

by gbruin on Dec 5, 2007 2:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Only Way We Score 70
against BYU is if Norvell is hanging out with Dorrell during the bowl game.  

by Bruin77 on Dec 5, 2007 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In deefense of DW
To keep it simple, Dwyane Walker knows how to coach. From what I can tell, his players believe in him as a coach. His Defensive team has always been ready to play and play well. Defensive lapses happen to the best of teams. But in general, our defense has been consistently good all season. The main reason we have lost games is because the offense was so inept, our defense has had to stay on the field a lot longer than they should have. Given a balanced team, our defense would have one of the best in the nation. This says a lot for DW. I think he deserves consideration. Coaching is basically teaching and inspiring confidence in a player's abilities. DW has shown he can do that. If he can do it for his D players he can do it for the whole team. I think DG will give him serious consideration, especially if we blow-out BYU.

by blualien on Dec 5, 2007 3:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Empirical Data Does Not Support Your Position.
We've been through this many times here. Do a search and you'll see that in some games, the D has played flat from the very first minute it took the field.

Can't blame that on fatigue.

We've done some very thorough analyses here. Read them, and if you disagree come back with facts that support your position.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 5, 2007 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You may want to start with my diary
"The Defense Apologist Fallacy" written after the WSU game.

And, you might want to look at the stat's from the Utah game.

Do a general search and you will see why we are so strongly opposed to DW.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 5, 2007 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Blualien but
there has been enough evidence against considering DW for the job at UCLA so don't come here preaching how he deserves consideration.  No head coaching experience means no consideration.

We have had enough experiments at UCLA and we don't deserve another 5 years of medicore football.

by abby8065 on Dec 5, 2007 3:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Education counts
Actually, it's a good thing that Blualien came here to preach for DW.  That way, 66 and the rest of BN can explain why it's a horrible idea, and if Blualien is open minded, we'll have another NO vote for DW on our side.  We need some more of the DWistas to come over and get themselves educated, too, assuming that some of them are willing to have a reasonable discussion
greg in denver

by gbruin on Dec 5, 2007 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DW
I'm willing to give DW another year as DC.  But that's it.  One year.  As DC.  Yes, he has troubles against the spread.  But so do a lot of DCs.  That's why lots of teams run it . . .  And yes, there were some breakdowns this year.  I agree with 66 - you can't put it all on fatigue, but that IS a factor.  I'd definitely like to see what the D can do when they're not on the field so much.  

So let's see how he does as DC with a real head coach.  I'll give him that.  

But under no circumstances should he become head coach.  None.  

And if the D has a bad year, see you later.  

by tliggett on Dec 5, 2007 8:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering
If we are all going to feel stupid if DW leaves to go to WSU, and has that team turned around in 1 or 2 years.  I like DW.  Previous head coaching experience doesn't mean we won't get another lemon.   I'm not saying hes the right guy for us, but hes at least worth a look.

by joeb on Dec 6, 2007 3:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I won't feel stupid
If that happens then good for Coach Walker.  He will have learned his trade.  An experiment will have proven successful.  I won't feel stupid because UCLA chose not do another experiment at on-the-job training.

by Fox 71 on Dec 6, 2007 4:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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