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ELITE Eight-bound (Postgame Thread)

For the second straight season, Ben Howland and the Bruins are one of the last eight teams standing. It wasn't quite the thriller we had against Gonzaga last year, but this one is probably better for the collective health of the Bruin faithful.

Despite another subpar shooting game from AA (3-11), this time he found his way inside, getting fouled and leading the Bruins at the stripe (10-10). With 8 players getting into the scoring column, this was a true team win, and it was great to see our bigs really pressure Gray into many bad decisions over the course of the game.


AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez

Also of note was the emergence, or should I say re-emergence of Josh Shipp, showing the touch from the Cal debacle, chipping in with 16 points including 3 3 pointers.


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On a personal note, this Bruin has a final tomorrow and I'm a little pressed for time here, so the floor is yours. I'd like to thank our team for making finals studying just a little more bearable.

This is your Postgame Thread
WE'RE ELITE EIGHT BOUND
GO BRUINS

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Unsung Heroes
our bench players -- especially Keefe.

They held the lead in the first half when we had to put our bigs on the bench.

Good job all of you -- Wright, Keefe, Westbrook.

And, good job Coach for using our talent so productively.

I really love this team.

BTW -- what do you think was more beautiful -- this defensive gem or the sloppy high scoring OSU/Tenn game?

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 22, 2007 9:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Roll
who hit a big shot in the final minute.

Big contributions all around. Nice win.

ONWARD.

by godblesstyus95 on Mar 22, 2007 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was forced to watch
that OSU Tennessee piece of crap.  I'm telling you, Tennessee's coach must be using the Vulcan mind meld with Coach Dorrell.  The second half was horrible.

by Fox 71 on Mar 22, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was forced to watch
that OSU Tennessee piece of crap.  I'm telling you, Tennessee's coach must be using the Vulcan mind meld with Coach Dorrell.  The second half was horrible.

by Fox 71 on Mar 22, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Pearl
There is not a bigger piece of shit in all of college basketball, maybe all of college sports.  

by LA Seitz on Mar 22, 2007 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are finally at a point where ---
the whole nation should get our game. No more regional splits.

With my luck, they'll replay a UT game.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 22, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may be a bad coach but ---
he figured out how to turn orange to match the schools colors. Got to give him style points -- or was it my TV?
sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 22, 2007 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright...so we have Kansas at 4:05p.m. on Sat
I think we can get this one too if we can lock down on D.  They struggled against the salukis and barely pulled it off.  Let's cut down the net on Sat.....GO BRUINS!

by bruin78 on Mar 22, 2007 9:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They lost to a similar team to us already
Texas A&M at the Phog. And now they struggled with SIU.

I think tough defense gets to them, and no one does it better than we do. I think we matchup with Kansas very well.

by bruinmike88 on Mar 22, 2007 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KU
is most definitely the most talented team we have played all season.

SIU obviously rattled them a bit, and I think may have provided us a blueprint of how to beat them. We play a lot like SIU, except we are more athletic and (potentially) more proficient offensively. Whether or not KU benefited from playing a team like SIU right before us remains to be seen.

Correct me, but I believe for the 1st time all season we will be true underdogs this Sat. We will need a surreal "Pauley Pavilion North" like atmosphere up there  while wearing our blue road unis. And most importantly, we will desperately need AA to break out of his slump, because we will only go as far as he takes us.

GO BRUINS.

(And for tomorrow, GO UNC.)  

by godblesstyus95 on Mar 22, 2007 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a great win
I stayed away from BN because I had a terrible feeling about this game, and I didn't want my bad mojo to mess the game up.  Thank God we won.

Championship game last year, and back to the Elite Eight this year.  Teams don't do that very often, and we're not done yet.  Kansas is very beatable, and this team never stops going.  I love this team, and I love Coach Howland.

Go Bruins.

by Sweetbreads Bailey on Mar 22, 2007 9:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I did that towards the end on Saturday
Someone wrote, "Positive thoughts" and I was feeling quite negative, so I excused myself.  Tonight, I didn't need to do so, though I didn't feel comfortable until the last 10 seconds or so.  That's just me.

by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 22, 2007 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free throws
Something tells me that if Collison, Shipp, and Afflalo had shot 85% of UCLA's free throws all season, they wouldn't have been so bad all year shooting free throws.  They shot them great, but they also had the right guys shooting them.

Also, note to Dick Enberg, the guy with the headband is Ryan Wright, not Alfred Aboya.

by LA Seitz on Mar 22, 2007 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

said it again on the replay
learn the roster there, dick
Vaya con dios.

by boston bruin on Mar 22, 2007 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cut him some slack
Dick Enberg supports our team well over the year, even those horrendous ones coached by Hazzard and Farmer when NBC owned the rights to broadcast NCAA games.  He really bleeds Bruin blue and gold in my opinion.  So I don't really take offense at that at all.

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way, way back
He was our play by play guy, and the student section loved him.  There was great by-play between the students and him throughout the games.  I'm sure other old-timers will back me up on this -- next to Coach Wooden, the best liked and most respected non-player was Enberg.  

Hence, I'm willing to cut him as much slack as he wants or needs.  He's as much a Bruin as any of us here.

by Fox 71 on Mar 22, 2007 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we got great bench rotation and contribution
I love this team ... At the beginning of the season I loved this team and with Howland I thought anything was possible, but Elite 8? I couldnt bring myself to wish that.  Of course, there is no team out there we cant beat. Win and move on!! Go Bruins!

by DumpDorrell on Mar 22, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haflway there
3 down, 3 to go. Great game Bruins. Go UCLA!

by sfatoo on Mar 22, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfinished business
That's what I have on my MySpace profile.  We need to take care of some unfinished business from last year.

by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 22, 2007 9:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
And, I think that business runs through Florida. I really want to play them, again.

But, right now, we have a 1 game season -- Kansas.

After that, we'll have another 1 game season.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 22, 2007 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should that happen again
This time we will take care of those Gators.  Duke lost out to UNLV one year, then stormed back to beat them the following year.  We will do the same to Billy boy.

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not directly refering to Florida
Just that we came up one game short last year.  My unfinished business is a championship.  If we have to go through Florida to get it, then that's what we have to do.

That and I love to refer to the "Kill Bill" movies whenever I can.

by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 23, 2007 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a good chance for 3 Pac 10 teams -
in the Elite 8.

I will root against sc but it hasn't helped, so far.

They are playing well.

Oregon is, too.

Wish WSU hadn't blown that game.

I won't hold my breath -- they won't give our conference credit.

But we deserve it.

And, what's with that Bilas jerk saying SIU plays the best defense in the country?

Look what we've done all season long against a very strong schedule and in a very strong conference.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 22, 2007 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm rooting for the Heels to vanquish SC
Tyler Hansbrough & company hopefully will crush the Trojans, send them scurrying for the first flight out of New Jersey with their tails between their legs.

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta agree...
TarHeel love, Baby. Anybody but SuC.

by pocho on Mar 22, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tournament Experience
certainly showed in this game. Pitt did not get the lead at ALL this entire game. Whenever Pitt was making/about to make a run, the team stayed cool and collective and hit a clutch basket/free throws. That is what you call tournament experience.

by bruin06 on Mar 22, 2007 10:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeap
I think that was definitely the difference at the FT line.

It will be interesting to see how KU reacts to the pressure on Sat.

by godblesstyus95 on Mar 22, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it is
The fact that we went so deep last year helps. But more importantly, Howland's slow-it-down, grindingly physical game at both ends of the court really fits  the nature of tournament plays.  

Tonight, we missed several baskets at various key moments of the game.  Time and again, we managed to work the ball inside only to miss the basket at close range. But then our ferocious defense worked like an insurance policy at the other end of the court, and forced Pitt to throw up one brick after another.  Suddenly, our free throws, atrocious all season long, are going near perfect also, especially down the stretch when Pitt became desperate.  

I do think the Jayhawks will be in for some big surprise this Saturday.

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

An interesting stat for saturday
Kansas is 1-17 ATS (Against the Spread) when they dont score 70 points.

If you are not familiar with sportscapping (some like to call it sportsbetting but this is what i call it), not covering against the spread means not covering a certain spread (specific amount of points). IE. UCLA is favored by 8 points (-8) to beat Oregon. Obviously we beat Oregon by more than 8 at home. That means we covered the spread.

I saw the early line at Kansas -2. This will vary between now and saturday tipoff. Basically, the defense which we can count on to keep us in games, has to keep kansas under 70 points to win this game. Thats only analyzing it from a sportsbooking point of view but its a good way to look at it.

by bruin06 on Mar 22, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did anyone see the post-game show on ESPN?
Lavin was comparing the Bruins defense to some NFL defense? Wow  

by bruin06 on Mar 22, 2007 10:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You actually listen to that idiot?
There are some guys who I just tune out - literally.  When he talks, I change the station.  
There is nothing he has to say that has any interest at all to me.  If it's about basketball, it's probably wrong.  If it's about UCLA, it's probably a flat out lie.  And I have no interest in what he has to say about hair gel.  

Wasn't it Orwell who used the word "nonperson."  I know there's a nice word in German - "Unmensch."

by Fox 71 on Mar 22, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right On
He reminds me of a malignancy no amount of medication nor surgery can cure.  

Let's hope he walks away somewhere, perhaps coaching the Kuwait national team that Larry Farmer once did.  Better yet, may be, just may be the Iraqi internal affairs minister can call on him to start an amateur hoops league there, and organize some friendship games with the insurgents.  May be that will bring these guys over to our side much like our pingpong diplomacy worked with communist China several decades earlier. Who knows, he can bring our troops home faster than Pelosi can.

That fatso Majerus can join him there too as the athletic director of University of Bagdad.  

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talking heads.
When Lavin was talking about our big men he put Keefe before Mbah and Aboya. Glad to see he follows his old team so closely. He also called Mbah something along the lines of "Luc Richard...kicks people's bootays."

Honestly though, I was less impressed with Majerus than with Lavin. At least Lavin can speak in a complete sentance, Majerus stops before every verb.

by laradar on Mar 22, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never mind what he said
He talks through his ( bleep )hole.  He never knew nor understood coaching other than jumping, waving  along the sideline cheerleading the team.  His practices resembled freelance sessions.  Dan Guerrero got his number going in.

This ( bleep )head, Digger Phelps, Billy Packer and Dick Vitale are just four of the most repugnant TV analysts you can ever get.  

by Htse005 on Mar 22, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fu*k him
The a**hole was actually taking an indirect shot at Howland by using his usual nonsenical analogies comparing us to some Bill Parcell's team. In other words he was trying to advance the narrative how we are boring team to watch.

Screw him. The more Howland era unfolks, the more it is exposed how this guy was possibly the shittiest basketball coach every to coach at any level. And he is not only just a bad coach, he is also a dishonest prick who always hated UCLA. F*ck him.

by Nestor on Mar 23, 2007 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As usual, Lav's shtick is getting old...
For Lavin to make snide remarks about Ben Howland's defense-oriented, fundamentally tough style of play and call BH the 'Bill Parcells' of the Tournament is curious, at best, and laughable, at worst.

Lavin was the guy who supposedly spearheaded our "RED ZONE" style of defense in 1995, complete with all the "no-layups" T-shirts that were floating around that year.  

He got his Pac-10 Coach of the Year Award after a desperate move to a defense-first, press-reliant game.

And now Mr. STP is making jokes about BH using defense and toughness and physical play as the primary weapon for this team?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but exactly how far did Lavin's "prettier" style of basketball get us?  

How many times did Lav go back-to-back to the Eight, huh?

Lav made it ONCE to the Regional Final (not counting an NCAA technicality that said we were the Final Four Team for that region), with FIVE players from the '95 Championship Team, all of whom playing heavy minutes.  He then made it to some Sweet 16s... and THAT'S IT.

BH got us to the Final GAME with only THREE holdovers from the Lavin era, one of whom served as bench ballast.  

KNOCK ON WOOD, we are on the threshhold of a return trip to the Four, needing to get through a certainly antheltically-gifted team that may be brimming with potential pro prospects...

... but which has had its most difficulties with disciplined, efficient teams that play tenacious, disruptive man-on-man defense.

Me thinks the Lavin doth protest too much.  Perhaps the Oily-Domed Prince of Pinstripes and Platitudes finally realizes that a Howland-coached team would drop-kick a Lavin-'coached' team out of the Tournament any day of the week, and twice on Sundays before lunch was over.

Maybe Mr. Lavin, for all his talk of defense, fundamentals, and TEACHING (laughable considering the source), is coming to the conclusion that Ben Howland is just better at all three of those things than he is.

Ol' STP spoke last night on GameNight about the three T's -- talent, time zone, and travel.  In the Tournament, those 3 Ts are important.  

But so are these three Ts:

(1)  Toughness -- can you take a hit, whether literally while driving in the paint or figuratively when the other team starts cutting into your lead or you drop a game?  Look at this whole season, folks.

(2)  Tenacity -- can you keep your head and play the way you're supposed to play (especially on defense) from the opening buzzer all the way down to the closing one?  See the Indiana game.

(3)  TEACHING -- can your coach help your players learn and grow from their mistakes throughout a season so they can avoid them and improve from them when it counts?  I think the sight of Afflalo's free throw manufacturing, Shipp's decision-making, Mata's post-defense, and Keefe's renewed hustle in the big games are all evidence of that.  

Slickster calling BH the 'Bill Parcells' of college basketball?

Try to be funny if you want to, Lav, but you DO have a point.

When people think of Parcells, they think of a guy who has produced winners wherever he goes.  I doubt you'll ever be getting that rep.  Someone else other than Pete Dalis would have to hire you to be a coach first.

Then, of course, you'd actually have to improve a team.

And then, you know, you'd actually have to BE tough, and not just a pushover for your players.

As Jim Rome said this morning, it's no secret that a whole lot of teams end up having their WORST games of the season when they play the Bruins.

That's why I love an UGLY game as opposed to a "Pretty" one.  When a team makes another one drop 10-20 percentage points on their FG shooting, or causes another 5-10 turnovers than they average, or cuts their transition ppoints in HALF, that is called making the OTHER team play UGLY.

And that can be the most beautiful sight for a UCLA fan in March...

and April.

MIM

by Meriones on Mar 23, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the defense was not ugly... (plus on Enberg)
There's some physicality yes. But the defense tonight was simply elegant.
Positioning. Footwork. Execution. Intensity throughout.

also, despite some misidentified Bruins, I'm glad we got the Dick Enberg/Jay Bilas crew.
Enberg always brings a first-class level to his work. He's absolutely brilliant covering Tennis.
Bilas, I don't dislike him like others here. Like Len Elmore last week, he was completely impressed with the defense.

We could have gotten stuck with the Jim Nantz/Billy Packer crew... that would be awful. (b/c of Pakcer).

by ursa on Mar 22, 2007 10:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

James Brown
Is the most awful announcer.  I read that he has replaced one of the best, Gus Johnson, for the Sweet 16 and Elite 8 games.  What a travesty.

by chaphill1 on Mar 22, 2007 11:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do like him in the studio
announcing games, not so much. Bumping Gus for him makes it so much worse.

by bruinhoo on Mar 22, 2007 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell!!!
we played great out there and no respect from the pitt fans.i read their message boards earlier this week and now, and they still call us medicore!!!what then hell. GIVE PROPS WHERE PROPS IS DUE!!!Our team won, your lost, just accept it!!we just need to keep playing the way we play,and we can gets this 12th banner!!

GO BRUINS!!!!

P.S. I tried to put a video up but it won"t let me, why not

by Jeodude on Mar 23, 2007 1:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pitt played bad
they missed lots of point blank shots
they missed a few open looks
why should they give us credit?
since they don't follow us they won't question the fact that every team we play seems to disintegrate the same way...Gonzaga, Memphis, Indiana, Pitt...they all seem to miraculously play the worst games of their life against our Bruins and we don't have anything to do with it

by glassbruin on Mar 23, 2007 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overlooked --
We are a very young team. IIRC, Pitt started 3 seniors. We don't have a senior.

Yes, the tournament experience, last year, was important.

But, I think most coaches would take seniors over tournament tested sophmores and juniors.

We have a very young team that plays with incredible poise. That is a testament to the Coach -- and to the  character and commitment of the players.

I love this team and all of its parts.

I have been around UCLA a long time and will never pick an "all time favorite player" -- but when I think of strentgh and character and players who represented both the sport and our school well, Aaron Afflalo will always be there.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2007 6:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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