Just Another Dorrellian Sunday
Looks like Meriones has done a great job of articulating all the positives, negatives, and questions from yesterday's Dorrellian performance. To follow up on his takes, I wanted to offer up some of my thoughts focusing on the themes that are going through my mind today:
Getting Better:
Again here was Karl before the BYU game:
"It wasn't our best performance offensively," said UCLA coach Karl Dorrell. "We can do a lot better on every aspect.
"There were a lot of things we left on the field that we need to get corrected. Our offense is still evolving into the offense that we're hoping it will be."
Yep, there is always evolution.
I have browsed through the message boards already. As someone already pointed out in the comment threads, his apologists are blaming everyone - coordinators, coaches, players (heck some even are calling out the students for not showing up early) - except for Dorrell.
It is the same pathetic routine that Michigan football culture went through wrt to Lloyd Carr before completely cratering into the abyss this season (just like Lavin's last season at UCLA).
Blaming Olson
Speaking of our offense, I will zero in on the dominant topic of this Sunday. Ben Olson right now is the easy target for not just Dorrell apologists. A lot of folks are unhappy with his inconsistent performance from yesterday which resurrected the memories of the Rice, Stanford, and Washington games from last season. But I will ask the same question I posed last season: whose responsibility is to put Olson in an offensive scheme that takes best advantage of his physical talent and also game plan accordingly?
Does anyone here actually believe if we had Booty, Longshore or Carpenter, it would have made a difference in our offense? And if anyone here is actually dumb enough to pine for Patrick Cowan, just look up the Florida State game and replay the second half (while you are at it, you can also look at the tapes of the Notre Dame and Washington State games too).
Maybe, just maybe, things would be have been a little difference if the combination of Dorvell had enough sense to recognize that it was Kahlil Bell who had the hot hand early in the first half. Wouldn't it have more sense that, instead of just sticking with the rotation of Bell and Markey, our coaches gave Bell extra carries in the second half? It was Bell who was hitting the holes lot harder and running with more determination. Maybe it would have made sense to have him out there in 3rd quarter, running over the Cougars, putting the Bruins in short yardage situations, and giving Olson a better hand to manage the game, instead of having him operate out of typical 3rd and long situations?
Another note that is worth mentioning on Olson. If you look back at the game tapes, you will see the difference between the read of progressions between Hall and Olson. Many times, Hall would be going through his reads, checking off his first and second options, before going to his 3rd. In comparison, there was Olson, locking into his first receiver and then throwing at him after he seemed open (instead of throwing at him while the receiver was in his route). The timing was completely off. I don't know, to me, that is something that has to do with coaching schemes, and how coaches prepare their students with schemes and techniques.
Max Hall came across as the better coached and prepared quarterback. While Olson ... I don't think I have to finish the sentence. I am pretty sure, at this point, if we had John Elway out of high school, "learning" and "growing" under KD, he would come across as the less prepared quarterback against Max Hall.
The way some people are coming down on Olson reminds me of the losers who used to come down on Ced Bozeman for not being a good point guard, instead of focusing their fire on Lavin. [Note I am not talking about the on-point observations by M and some others on BN who are zeroing on Olson's techniques. I am talking about certain blowhards who are making blanket assertions that Olson will never be a good college QB]
So people who are saying Olson will never be a good QB, need to lay off him. It's not his fault that he is saddled with mediocre (some would say shitty) coaching.
Player Rotation
So, Dorrell seemingly scapegoated D J McCarthy, the former WR coach out of Westwood because apparently he used a hockey style substitution pattern last year, paying no attention to getting the most talent on the field or involving players who had the hot hand.
So, my question is, why did it take so long to get Gavin Kethcum into action?
Do we have TEs on our team? Do we? Because I thought getting our TEs into the mix is one of the big parts of the WCO? I am speaking as a Niner fan who grew up watching the WCO and seeing TEs like John Frank and Brent Jones hauling down one clutch catch after another and scoring money TDs. So where were our TEs?
And, on this topic, I will reiterate the point I mentioned above: why wasn't Bell used a little more since he had the hot hand? Where was Ramirez?
I mean, was KD was watching the same game the rest of us were watching? Did he take the time to suggest to his latest scoapegoat OC during half time that perhaps it would be a good idea to give Bell few more carries in the 3rd quarter?
Where the F was KD during the game and WTF was he actually doing?
BYU Coaches Out-scheme (Over-hyped) Walker
It was two senior stars of our defense who won us the game. If not for Trey Brown and Bruce Davis, we'd have our first series of diaries this Sunday on coaching candidates for this December. But what struck me from yesterday was our how helpless our defense looked against BYU's offense in the second half.
I mean we had Max Hall getting a first down from 2nd and 19. Our zone blitzes were, except for couple of uber athletic efforts from Bruce Davis, essentially worthless. Hall was OJing up our secondary at will. Everyone except Trey Brown in the defensive backfield looked lost. Horton and Keyes were finding themselves out of position. And I am not sure our CBs were laying a finger on BYU receivers at LOS.
Watching our defense last night reminded me of those Kerr coached defenses when we were left hoping and praying for turnovers, lucky breaks and penalties and waiting for the other team to stop themselves, when it looked liked our defense was not going to do much to stop them from imposing their will, and drive into the end zone. It was pathetic.
And I am not going to buy the excuse of DL losing its effectiveness because of Harwell's injury. We have a deep enough DL that his replacements should have stepped up. And there was the usual preseason horseshit we were fed about our players OMG being faster, quicker, and in more shape than ever. Fast twitch muscles baby!
So, after two games, despite all the talk, Walker looks ordinary and I'm not sure he looks good enough to coach at a MWC program.
Expectations
Let me make something clear. We looked like a Dorrellian football team yesterday. But that doesn't mean we are going to lower our expectations in Dorrell's "Show Me" season. I don't care how bruised up we are. That is not going to serve as an excuse for dropping the ball next weekend against a bad team, or going into the rest of our season as we will still be favored (at least in terms of talent) against every team we take on until the last game of the season. Dorrell has to produce. Period. And if he doesn't, and continues the put up underachieving performances like he did yesterday, he will have to take his dog and pony show somewhere else besides Westwood.
Anyways, if you want to read up more on yesterday's pathetic performance here are the reports from the LA Times and the Daily News. I didn't really feel like reading them. Because frankly I have the same feeling in my stomach this Sunday, like I do after our team loses or blows a game. In other words:
It's just another Dorrelian Sunday.
GO BRUINS.
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Receiver rotation...
by meow meow on
Sep 9, 2007 9:11 AM PDT
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For those who want Pat Cowan back,
I believe when he did well, Cowan was overperforming, essentially exceeding his baseline of skill. I think that Olson is currently underperforming and I have to hope that he has a greater upside and that he will improve.
In either case, Dorrell needs to go.
by PeterUCLA on
Sep 10, 2007 2:53 AM PDT
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giving up17 points to BYU
And we would be better offensively with a better QB, for example Drew Olsen. Yes, BO is not doing well under this system, and for God's sake KDs stubborn offense makes me scream, but he looked absolutely terrible. He was not doing anything right. And when you are 24, and making mistakes like that, you have to take personal responsiblity. Its one thing to not excel because of the system, but missing short passes, locking in on receivers, poor footwork, etc are really his responsibility at this point. Im not saying KD is using him properly, he isn't, but part of the responsiblity for BOs play does belong to BO. Kd should integrate a more vertical offense that allows BO to do what he does best: throw the ball down the field, instead of doing what he is least comfortable with: short timing pattern passes. But, that would require KD to change, which we know he is to stubborn to do.
Agree on Bell, but with the stupid playcalling in the second half of running everything up the middle instead of using our speed advantage and running outside I don't know how much it would have mattered.
by silverlakebruin on
Sep 9, 2007 9:22 AM PDT
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Uhm
As for BO, your last sentence concedes it's on KD for putting together a system that fit's BO's talents. So the blame is still on KD.
by Nestor on
Sep 9, 2007 9:25 AM PDT
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no one said DW isnt good
by BruinCore on
Sep 9, 2007 10:54 AM PDT
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Disagree re "shutting down the run"
The fact of the matter is that BYU had to pass because of the hole they dug for themselves in the first 25 minutes of the game. And when they started passing, they were clicking so they didn't have to run. What is bad is that we had to know that they would be passing almost exclusively, but we couldn't stop it.
Actually, BYU shut down our running game for most of the game. We wanted to run but couldn't. They wanted to pass and could. So I'm not all that impressed with Coach Walker.
Likewise, Coach Norvell seems to be a boob. He hasn't figured out that the WCO works better in theory than in practice. And it probably works better in practice than it does in games.
This team and this coaching is no different from last year.
by Fox 71 on
Sep 9, 2007 11:34 AM PDT
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I'm sorry I need to vent....
For the entiriety of the second half our offense was run, run, pass. Run, run, pass. Run, run, freakin pass. I'm sorry but for all you idiots who blame this game on Olson need to have your head checked. When your HC constantly puts in you in a situation where the opposing team knows your going to pass, where you have to pass, your setting him up for failure.
Where's the imagination, where's the fun? That's what college football's about, that's why it so much better than the NFL. These kids are still having fun, why not help them achieve this. Call the flea flicker, call the long bomb, mix it up and run an option with Ossar Rashaan. Do something the opposing team won't expect. And above all else, play to win, don't freakin play not to lose.
Frankly, this mentality of playing not to lose is what frustrates me most about Dorrell. It makes me wish we had a coach like that jackass from across town who coaches with his heart, and doesnt overthink every situation. Playing not to lose is setting yourself up for failure. Playing not to lose is what your opponents want. You think an opponent likes it when a team shows some guts and goes for it on fourth down? You think an opponent likes it when play calling is unpredictable and not just constant running?
Yes, I cannot tell you how comforting it is to have a guy like Coach Howland running the basketball program. Here is a guy who doesnt have a losing bone in his body, who plays to win at all costs, who shows some and emotion and respect to his players. Coach Howland is a guy who knows how to build a successful program and I only wish I could say the same about Dorrell.
by BruinFanatic1988 on
Sep 9, 2007 9:37 AM PDT
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Bend but not break?
I just don't understand why DW would go away from what worked in the first half only to bring it back in the last quarter.
by justwatching on
Sep 9, 2007 9:46 AM PDT
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This, no one could argue
We will hear the same -- "we are a work in progress, we need to improve in some areas, we learned a lot from this game..." -- crap this year.
Nothing has changed. Same ole', same ole'... As long as we have KD, UCLA will always be mired in mediocrity -- and unfortunately, at a lower level than Donahue's brand of average football.
by bluegold on
Sep 9, 2007 9:52 AM PDT
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To be honest...
And as I said in Barnes post, I think our Defense, especially Dwayne Walker may be to over hyped.
And if we have only an 8-win, perhaps 7-win season, next year we will be hearing the same shit, "this is Dorrel's year" etc.
by PopnFried on
Sep 9, 2007 10:09 AM PDT
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Aaron Perez
by gilbert on
Sep 9, 2007 10:31 AM PDT
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Agreed on Perez
by BruinCore on
Sep 9, 2007 10:49 AM PDT
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Still holding off on Perez
BUT IF YOU WANT TO CROWN HIM, YOU CAN CROWN HIM!

:-)
by sfatoo on
Sep 9, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
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6 career starts
by jose007 on
Sep 9, 2007 10:51 AM PDT
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All the blame not on BO
by Telemachus on
Sep 9, 2007 8:00 PM PDT
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I have to take issue with
It seems that this system has all these shifts and guys un motion, and this is supposed to tell the QB exactly what to do and who should be open. Apparently all it does is tell BO who to lock onto and then throw to. Or it tells BO to check out of a deep down the middle pass and hand off to someone up the middle.
by Fox 71 on
Sep 9, 2007 8:16 PM PDT
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Actually it's supposed to . . .
by Telemachus on
Sep 9, 2007 9:46 PM PDT
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Pat Cowan?
As for the offensive line, under Dorrell they have routinely been terrible against 3-4's. They can't get up to the outside linebackers on run plays and thats why we looked so bad running the ball.
I agree though, the play calling was more of the same and what happened to the quote Norvell made last week? Did they even make any halftime adjustments? I didnt see any changes, not even on the last drive, it was the same , Ben just settled down and got his composure back. I think he comes out next week and does exactly what he did against Utah last year, lights em up for over 300 yards.
And I am not blaming Ben Olsen, I am just saying he had an off day, along with all the other players and COACHES.
by hbruin84 on
Sep 9, 2007 11:19 AM PDT
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Where does Cowan get blame?
I'm the first guy to say that Ben had a terrible game yesterday, but it's also true that Cowan was under center during our season killing 4 game slide last year, as if we needed more evidence that it's the system and the coaches preparing our players to fail.
Part of what you are seeing is the direct end result of the Cult of Dorrell willing to throw absolutely everyone under the bus in order to defend a mediocre head coach. It's always someone else's fault. This week it was Ben. Next week, who knows? But never KD. He's perfect.
by Tydides on
Sep 9, 2007 11:34 AM PDT
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100% agree
Where I probably disagree with most people on this site though, is that I believe that our team should have been able to line up, and run the same play the whole game and beat the crap out of that BYU team. It shouldnt matter the play calling. Man for man across the board we had much better players. You can say that our players werent coached as well, and I will agree with you on that, but the players need to take responsibility and show some heart. Because when it comes down to it, football is about beating the man across from you, (not calling plays) and our guys seriously got beat, we are lucky that the score didnt indicate that.
by hbruin84 on
Sep 9, 2007 11:46 AM PDT
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Maybe that was true 30 years ago
It doesn't matter how much "heart" you have when your efforts are misguided. I believe a very wise man once said "Never mistake activity for achievement". And that wise man knew a little something about winning games.
by Tydides on
Sep 9, 2007 12:01 PM PDT
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A win is A win
by uclaov1 on
Sep 9, 2007 12:11 PM PDT
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Not Quite
Washington 29
UCLA 19
Let's be honest, Ben did not play well yesterday, and this was an incredibly disappointing win.
by Tydides on
Sep 9, 2007 12:19 PM PDT
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I think its safe to say
by joeb on
Sep 9, 2007 12:12 PM PDT
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The question is
by SuperBruinMan on
Sep 9, 2007 12:25 PM PDT
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And another question is
by Fox 71 on
Sep 9, 2007 12:28 PM PDT
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Ouch!
by bornagainbruin on
Sep 10, 2007 1:54 PM PDT
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I feel bad for the players
These are very talented, spirited players. Yes, a win is a win is a win, but there is something else wrong with this ship.
by Barnes2JJ on
Sep 9, 2007 12:35 PM PDT
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New rankings out
by SuperBruinMan on
Sep 9, 2007 12:41 PM PDT
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OT - ('cept for rankings)
by lostnacfgop on
Sep 9, 2007 1:07 PM PDT
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even worse
As a Longhorns fan long before coming to UCLA, seeing Oklahoma as the main threat to those 2 (the #2 team behind LSU, imo) makes me sick. if any 2 of those teams runs the table, I won't know who to root against more strongly (except it will be on a new TV, having likely thrown a heavy object through my current one at the end of the BCS selection show).
by bruinhoo on
Sep 9, 2007 6:54 PM PDT
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Nestor, I'm disappointed too -
by JohnnyBruin on
Sep 9, 2007 2:21 PM PDT
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Did the players or the coaches get complacent?
So here's my question...did the team get soft with the lead at halftime, and then wake up and turn it on when it got close in the end? Both sides of the ball looked awful for the 3rd and first half of the 4th quarters, and then both slammed the door at the end of the game.
Because if this is the case (given that we believe we had the superior athletes/speed/size/ etc, who could do this needed), is that on the players or the coaches? We should have enough seniors on the field that they can keep themselves motivated - but it's still the coaches calling the plays and putting in personnel. I think that both share some blame, but would put the majority on the coaches. I want to see our team go Spurrier on opponents when we get them down. Our runs into the middle of the line weren't working. 3 yd passes on 3rd and 7 didn't move the chains. The soft deep zone allowed BYU to complete 10 yard passes between the numbers over and over and over. This allowed BYU to get back in the game and made it much closer than necessary.
I don't think the coaches gave the players the best chance to succeed, and it seemed like we were running out the clock from the 2nd half kickoff. Finally when things got urgent, everyone responded, which tells me we had the players and the schemes to do that all along. But I don't think we ever should have been in that position. Is SPJ the 5 TD guy from last week or the 100 yd passer from yesterday? Is our D going to allow 300+ yds passing or or they gonna force consecutive 3 and outs like at the end of the game? I always think that talent comes from players, and inconsistency comes from coaches (yeah, it's hard on the coaches...). So the coaches have to get that killer instinct, and I don't see that in KD or in either coordinator. And that will get us stuck in nail biters against teams we should put away easily, and we won't always be as lucky as yesterday. Any thoughts??
Oh, and I hate $c. Go Big Red - even if the N on that helmet stands for Knowledge.
by gbruin on
Sep 9, 2007 2:35 PM PDT
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New Polls are out
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/coaches/
by TuneMan7 on
Sep 9, 2007 6:49 PM PDT
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Same ol' same ol'
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we won, but this awful feeling in my stomach has not gone away. Why must we be subjected to this type of coaching ? Conservative play calling, and bend -not-break defense? I thought these were things of the past. It just boils down to this we have the players, we just need the coach.
Yesterday we escaped with a win and well, next week we get a chance to prove that BYU was a fluke. Funny thing is that yesterday was my daughters' first Bruin game....she also said she has this sick feeling in her stomach. I told her welcome to Bruin football under Dorrell....
by bruinmike26 on
Sep 9, 2007 7:11 PM PDT
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The Final Bruin Drive of the Game...
by bruin8uclap on
Sep 9, 2007 8:26 PM PDT
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Other penalty was a 5-yard incidental facemask
by Telemachus on
Sep 9, 2007 10:00 PM PDT
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During the BYU drive that nearly got them into
It seemed to me it was as if he was spending the last heart-pounding part of the fourth quarter in the Twilight Zone. Cnn't he EVER consistantly show some real emotion during critical points in a game?
by bruinhawk on
Sep 9, 2007 9:43 PM PDT
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My take
by wizardofoc on
Sep 9, 2007 10:10 PM PDT
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BYU was the third toughest opponent
I read today how our team's unofficial leader, Bruce Davis, was saying that the team is taking its close call victory on Saturday and learning from that experience. The players are all pumped to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
I believe them when they say they won't allow it to happen again all season. After all, it is these guys who are the ones playing on the field.
by Steven on
Sep 10, 2007 12:09 AM PDT
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Learning From This Past Saturday?
by BruinFan1 on
Sep 10, 2007 1:55 AM PDT
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COWAN? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!
by eoj703 on
Sep 10, 2007 3:50 PM PDT
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Not going to disagree
But I think eoj hit the nail directly on the head with the observation that Training Jay and the Thinker are not giving Ben plays that match his strong points. Ben seems to flourish on down field passing. (Two for two as I recall against BYU.) He also did quite well with the jail break screen against Stanford, but I don't remember seeing any of them against BYU. I note a decided difference between the "long handoff" - one-step drop and pass to a receiver at or behind the line - which Ben did fairly well and the three or four yard out which Ben has been consistently poor at (or at least that's the way it looks to me.)
Let Ben do what he does best. The only reason why Training Jay and the Thinker would not do that is if what Ben's strength is might require some variation to the WCAO. Nah - that can't be it. Our coaches certainly know how to make adjustments.
by Fox 71 on
Sep 10, 2007 8:21 PM PDT
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