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Just Another Dorrellian Sunday

Looks like Meriones has done a great job of articulating all the positives, negatives, and questions from yesterday's Dorrellian performance.  To follow up on his takes, I wanted to offer up some of my thoughts focusing on the themes that are going through my mind today:

Getting Better:

Again here was Karl before the BYU game:

"This is a good week to get better."
I don't think I need to insult anyone's intelligence by listing numbers from the Stanford and BYU games to analyze whether Karl's team got "better." From Steve Dilbeck in the Daily News :
The Bruins couldn't pass much, couldn't run much, couldn't sustain a whole lot of anything.

"It wasn't our best performance offensively," said UCLA coach Karl Dorrell. "We can do a lot better on every aspect.

"There were a lot of things we left on the field that we need to get corrected. Our offense is still evolving into the offense that we're hoping it will be."

Yep, there is always evolution.
Evolution? I thought it was all about the installation. There is not much to add to this point wrt to Dorrell.

I have browsed through the message boards already. As someone already pointed out in the comment threads, his apologists are blaming everyone - coordinators, coaches, players (heck some even are calling out the students for not showing up early) - except for Dorrell.

It is the same pathetic routine that Michigan football culture went through wrt to Lloyd Carr before completely cratering into the abyss this season (just like Lavin's last season at UCLA).

Blaming Olson

Speaking of our offense, I will zero in on the dominant topic of this Sunday. Ben Olson right now is the easy target for not just Dorrell apologists. A lot of folks are unhappy with his inconsistent performance from yesterday which resurrected the memories of the Rice, Stanford, and Washington games from last season. But I will ask the same question I posed last season: whose responsibility is to put Olson in an offensive scheme that takes best advantage of his physical talent and also game plan accordingly?

Does anyone here actually believe if we had Booty, Longshore or Carpenter, it would have made a difference in our offense? And if anyone here is actually dumb enough to pine for Patrick Cowan, just look up the Florida State game and replay the second half (while you are at it, you can also look at the tapes of the Notre Dame and Washington State games too).

Maybe, just maybe, things would be have been a little difference if the combination of Dorvell had enough sense to recognize that it was Kahlil Bell who had the hot hand early in the first half. Wouldn't it have more sense that, instead of just sticking with the rotation of Bell and Markey, our coaches gave Bell extra carries in the second half? It was Bell who was hitting the holes lot harder and running with more determination. Maybe it would have made sense to have him out there in 3rd quarter, running over the Cougars, putting the Bruins in short yardage situations, and giving Olson a better hand to manage the game, instead of having him operate out of typical 3rd and long situations?

Another note that is worth mentioning on Olson. If you look back at the game tapes, you will see the difference between the read of progressions between Hall and Olson. Many times, Hall would be going through his reads, checking off his first and second options, before going to his 3rd. In comparison, there was Olson, locking into his first receiver and then throwing at him after he seemed open (instead of throwing at him while the receiver was in his route). The timing was completely off. I don't know, to me, that is something that has to do with coaching schemes, and how coaches prepare their students with schemes and techniques.

Max Hall came across as the better coached and prepared quarterback. While Olson ... I don't think I have to finish the sentence. I am pretty sure, at this point, if we had John Elway out of high school, "learning" and "growing" under KD, he would come across as the less prepared quarterback against Max Hall.

The way some people are coming down on Olson reminds me of the losers who used to come down on Ced Bozeman for not being a good point guard, instead of focusing their fire on Lavin. [Note I am not talking about the on-point observations by M and some others on BN who are zeroing on Olson's techniques. I am talking about certain blowhards who are making blanket assertions that Olson will never be a good college QB]

So people who are saying Olson will never be a good QB, need to lay off him. It's not his fault that he is saddled with mediocre (some would say shitty) coaching.

Player Rotation

So, Dorrell seemingly scapegoated D J McCarthy, the former WR coach out of Westwood because apparently he used a hockey style substitution pattern last year, paying no attention to getting the most talent on the field or involving players who had the hot hand.

So, my question is, why did it take so long to get Gavin Kethcum into action?

Do we have TEs on our team? Do we? Because I thought getting our TEs into the mix is one of the big parts of the WCO? I am speaking as a Niner fan who grew up watching the WCO and seeing TEs like John Frank and Brent Jones hauling down one clutch catch after another and scoring money TDs. So where were our TEs?

And, on this topic, I will reiterate the point I mentioned above: why wasn't Bell used a little more since he had the hot hand? Where was Ramirez?

I mean, was KD was watching the same game the rest of us were watching? Did he take the time to suggest to his latest scoapegoat OC during half time that perhaps it would be a good idea to give Bell few more carries in the 3rd quarter?

Where the F was KD during the game and WTF was he actually doing?

BYU Coaches Out-scheme (Over-hyped) Walker

It was two senior stars of our defense who won us the game. If not for Trey Brown and Bruce Davis, we'd have our first series of diaries this Sunday on coaching candidates for this December. But what struck me from yesterday was our how helpless our defense looked against BYU's offense in the second half.

I mean we had Max Hall getting a first down from 2nd and 19. Our zone blitzes were, except for couple of uber athletic efforts from Bruce Davis, essentially worthless. Hall was OJing up our secondary at will.  Everyone except Trey Brown in the defensive backfield looked lost. Horton and Keyes were finding themselves out of position. And I am not sure our CBs were laying a finger on BYU receivers at LOS.

Watching our defense last night reminded me of those Kerr coached defenses when we were left hoping and praying for turnovers, lucky breaks and penalties and waiting for the other team to stop themselves, when it looked liked our defense was not going to do much to stop them from imposing their will, and drive into the end zone. It was pathetic.

And I am not going to buy the excuse of DL losing its effectiveness because of Harwell's injury. We have a deep enough DL that his replacements should have stepped up. And there was the usual preseason horseshit we were fed about our players OMG being faster, quicker, and in more shape than ever. Fast twitch muscles baby!

So, after two games, despite all the talk, Walker looks ordinary and I'm not sure he looks good enough to coach at a MWC program.

Expectations

Let me make something clear. We looked like a Dorrellian football team yesterday. But that doesn't mean we are going to lower our expectations in Dorrell's "Show Me" season. I don't care how bruised up we are. That is not going to serve as an excuse for dropping the ball next weekend against a bad team, or going into the rest of our season as we will still be favored (at least in terms of talent) against every team we take on until the last game of the season. Dorrell has to produce. Period.  And if he doesn't, and continues the put up underachieving performances like he did yesterday, he will have to take his dog and pony show somewhere else besides Westwood.

Anyways, if you want to read up more on yesterday's pathetic performance here are the reports from the LA Times and the Daily News. I didn't really feel like reading them. Because frankly I have the same feeling in my stomach this Sunday, like I do after our team loses or blows a game. In other words:

It's just another Dorrelian Sunday.

GO BRUINS.

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Receiver rotation...
Not much has changed from last year...although the receivers may not be bringing in the plays, they are still constantly rotated and playmakers are taken off of the field.  And, can we get the TE involved?  Please.  Dorrell is an ass...he is wasting away lots of talent with this offense.

by meow meow on Sep 9, 2007 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For those who want Pat Cowan back,
I was at the Emerald Bowl with my family and it was the worst holiday outing ever!  For all of his mobility and effort (gotta give him credit for pulling it out against U$C), he was inconsistent last season.  

I believe when he did well, Cowan was overperforming, essentially exceeding his baseline of skill.  I think that Olson is currently underperforming and I have to hope that he has a greater upside and that he will improve.

In either case, Dorrell needs to go.

by PeterUCLA on Sep 10, 2007 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

giving up17 points to BYU
while scoring 7 is a defeat for the defense? I'm missing that one. I know you don't think DW is a good defensive coordinator, but with the way the offense left the D on the field, I thought they played well. BYU did move the ball a lot, but they didn't score. Yardage doesn't show up on the scoreboard. The D made the offense 1 dimensional by shutting down the run. and then they made stops when they had to, made int plays and caused fumbles. It was a good, not great performance.

And we would be better offensively with a better QB, for example Drew Olsen. Yes, BO is not doing well under this system, and for God's sake KDs stubborn offense makes me scream, but he looked absolutely terrible. He was not doing anything right. And when you are 24, and making mistakes like that, you have to take personal responsiblity. Its one thing to not excel because of the system, but missing short passes, locking in on receivers, poor footwork, etc are really his responsibility at this point.  Im not saying KD is using him properly, he isn't, but part of the responsiblity for BOs play does belong to BO. Kd should integrate a more vertical offense that allows BO to do what he does best: throw the ball down the field, instead of doing what he is least comfortable with: short timing pattern passes. But, that would require KD to change, which we know he is to stubborn to do.

Agree on Bell, but with the stupid playcalling in the second half of running everything up the middle instead of using our speed advantage and running outside I don't know how much it would have mattered.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 9, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhm
It was not a great performance. But we were sold a bill of goods with a promise of a great shutdown defense. Our defense got handled by bunch of players who are getting significant action for the first time in their college careers. Given how great Walker was built up to be and all the trashtalking from Bruce, Trey et al, it was a disappointing performance.

As for BO, your last sentence concedes it's on KD for putting together a system that fit's BO's talents. So the blame is still on KD.

by Nestor on Sep 9, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one said DW isnt good
we said he isn't great ... not yet. He hasn't proved it yet is getting all the hype. Is he good, well he is better than what we've had.  He talks about having "best defense in the nation." He contributes to that hype, but form the 1st 2 games, in addition to last year's 6 losses, he hasn't proved it.  That is what we are saying. Prove it DW.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Sep 9, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree re "shutting down the run"
Remember the last Rose Bowl when we played Ron Dayne and Wisconsin?  They ran the ball down our throats.  They therefore didn't have to run.  But no one said that our pass defense was so great that is made their offense "one-dimensional."  They didn't pass because they didn't have to pass.  

The fact of the matter is that BYU had to pass because of the hole they dug for themselves in the first 25 minutes of the game.  And when they started passing, they were clicking so they didn't have to run.  What is bad is that we had to know that they would be passing almost exclusively, but we couldn't stop it.  

Actually, BYU shut down our running game for most of the game.  We wanted to run but couldn't.  They wanted to pass and could.  So I'm not all that impressed with Coach Walker.  

Likewise, Coach Norvell seems to be a boob.  He hasn't figured out that the WCO works better in theory than in practice.  And it probably works better in practice than it does in games.

This team and this coaching is no different from last year.

by Fox 71 on Sep 9, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry I need to vent....
I was at the game yesterday, and for the first quarter and a half I was fairly enhusiastic about our play. Up 20-0 against what I considered to be a decent BYU team. But then it happened, just like it always does with this coach, and we ended up playing it conservative. On 4th and 2, with a chance to demoralize BYU further upon going into half, we kicked a field goal and handed all the momentum to the Courgars, who ran with it all the way until the end of the 4th quarter.

For the entiriety of the second half our offense was run, run, pass. Run, run, pass. Run, run, freakin pass. I'm sorry but for all you idiots who blame this game on Olson need to have your head checked. When your HC constantly puts in you in a situation where the opposing team knows your going to pass, where you have to pass, your setting him up for failure.

Where's the imagination, where's the fun? That's what college football's about, that's why it so much better than the NFL. These kids are still having fun, why not help them achieve this. Call the flea flicker, call the long bomb, mix it up and run an option with Ossar Rashaan. Do something the opposing team won't expect. And above all else, play to win, don't freakin play not to lose.

Frankly, this mentality of playing not to lose is what frustrates me most about Dorrell. It makes me wish we had a coach like that jackass from across town who coaches with his heart, and doesnt overthink every situation. Playing not to lose is setting yourself up for failure. Playing not to lose is what your opponents want. You think an opponent likes it when a team shows some guts and goes for it on fourth down? You think an opponent likes it when play calling is unpredictable and not just constant running?

Yes, I cannot tell you how comforting it is to have a guy like Coach Howland running the basketball program. Here is a guy who doesnt have a losing bone in his body, who plays to win at all costs, who shows some and emotion and respect to his players. Coach Howland is a guy who knows how to build a successful program and I only wish I could say the same about Dorrell.

by BruinFanatic1988 on Sep 9, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bend but not break?
If we are looking only at the scoreboard instead of what happened to the defense in the second and third quarter, we are reverting back to Larry, our former defensive coordinator. The king of zone plays and blitzes, he allowed teams to carve up the D and prided himself by saying they didn't score. Well, we all know what happened at the SC game.

I just don't understand why DW would go away from what worked in the first half only to bring it back in the last quarter.

by justwatching on Sep 9, 2007 9:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This, no one could argue
Over the past two weeks I have seen scores of dominating teams in top form, championship material -- and UCLA is not among them, not by a long shot.  Regardless of what you think of Michigan, Oregon went into their Big House with 100,000 screaming hostile fans and routed them mercilessly.  Could KD have done the same?  No one knows, of course, but my personal opinion:  No way in freakin' h$ll.  And Oregon is not picked to do anything major this season, not that I know of.

We will hear the same -- "we are a work in progress, we need to improve in some areas, we learned a lot from this game..." -- crap this year.

Nothing has changed.  Same ole', same ole'...  As long as we have KD, UCLA will always be mired in mediocrity -- and unfortunately, at a lower level than Donahue's brand of average football.

by bluegold on Sep 9, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To be honest...
I think that the biggest positive of the game was Aaron Perez who continually pinned BYU deep in their own territory.

And as I said in Barnes post, I think our Defense, especially Dwayne Walker may be to over hyped.

And if we have only an 8-win, perhaps 7-win season, next year we will be hearing the same shit, "this is Dorrel's year" etc.

This is what's pop'n

by PopnFried on Sep 9, 2007 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Perez
Perez was definitely the team's MVP yesterday. And no offense to Perez, but when your punter has your team's best performance, that's just sad.

by gilbert on Sep 9, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Perez
he is turning out to be a star for us.  Last year he was inconsistent, but he looks like he has his mechanics DOWN.  We were watching him closely and he looked exactly the same on every punt. It was hard core mechanics, like great free throw shooters.  
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Sep 9, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still holding off on Perez
He did have a good game yesterday, no questions about it. But don't forget about last week at Stanford when he almost got blocked, from what I counted, about 3 times. Now, that could have been due to bad snaps and other problems that have since been corrected, but I'd like to see at least one more solid game like yesterday before I'm ready to consider him a star.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CROWN HIM, YOU CAN CROWN HIM!

:-)

by sfatoo on Sep 9, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 career starts
IMO, this is the difference. The dude has 6 career starts at this level, and hadn't played since 2003. On top of that, hes been under the tutelage of a crappy coach. Of course hes gonna take some time to get adjusted, he needs some more quality games under his belt. If you cant see the immense talent this dude has, you are blind. Its just stupid to see people trying to place the blame on BO.

by jose007 on Sep 9, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All the blame not on BO
But you can't use the excuse of Ben having only 6 career starts. Max Hall for BYU is a sophomore having sat out 2006 as a transfer from Arizona St where he red-shirted. And he had a two-year mission like Ben. So Hall has 2 career starts and if you were able to watch the game, he consistently went through his progressions finding 2nd and 3rd options to throw to. Meanwhile, Ben locked on to his first option, usually ending badly. Not knocking Ben, but something is wrong with our system if he's not ready to go.

by Telemachus on Sep 9, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to take issue with
your last sentence.  It has some unnecessary verbiage.  It should end "... something is wrong with our system."  Period.

It seems that this system has all these shifts and guys un motion, and this is supposed to tell the QB exactly what to do and who should be open.  Apparently all it does is tell BO who to lock onto and then throw to.  Or it tells BO to check out of a deep down the middle pass and hand off to someone up the middle.

by Fox 71 on Sep 9, 2007 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually it's supposed to . . .
. . . give the appearance that the coaches have given Olsen read keys so that he can adjust. But as we all know, our coaches have no idea how to adjust to our opponents.

by Telemachus on Sep 9, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Cowan?
So when Cowan played bad last year he gets all the blame, but when BO has a bad game its not his fault? Come on. Kid had a bad game, plain and simple. You can make excuses all you want, but they were calling the same plays as last week, and instead of them going for big plays they were incomplete passes, either badly thrown or the receivers werent catching them.

As for the offensive line, under Dorrell they have routinely been terrible against 3-4's. They can't get up to the outside linebackers on run plays and thats why we looked so bad running the ball.

 I agree though, the play calling was more of the same and what happened to the quote Norvell made last week? Did they even make any halftime adjustments? I didnt see any changes, not even on the last drive, it was the same , Ben just settled down and got his composure back. I think he comes out next week and does exactly what he did against Utah last year, lights em up for over 300 yards.

And I am not blaming Ben Olsen, I am just saying he had an off day, along with all the other players and COACHES.

by hbruin84 on Sep 9, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where does Cowan get blame?
At least any more than Dorrell does? The point being made here is that it doesn't matter who is under center so long as the defense knows exactly what we are doing because of shitty playcalling.

I'm the first guy to say that Ben had a terrible game yesterday, but it's also true that Cowan was under center during our season killing 4 game slide last year, as if we needed more evidence that it's the system and the coaches preparing our players to fail.

Part of what you are seeing is the direct end result of the Cult of Dorrell willing to throw absolutely everyone under the bus in order to defend a mediocre head coach. It's always someone else's fault. This week it was Ben. Next week, who knows? But never KD. He's perfect.

by Tydides on Sep 9, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agree
Dorrell should not be a head coach of a college team, at least not our team. I completely agree with you there.

Where I probably disagree with most people on this site though, is that I believe that our team should have been able to line up, and run the same play the whole game and beat the crap out of that BYU team. It shouldnt matter the play calling. Man for man across the board we had much better players. You can say that our players werent coached as well, and I will agree with you on that, but the players need to take responsibility and show some heart. Because when it comes down to it, football is about beating the man across from you, (not calling plays) and our guys seriously got beat, we are lucky that the score didnt indicate that.

by hbruin84 on Sep 9, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that was true 30 years ago
But I think in this day and age, sheer physical dominance isn't going to do it anymore. Michigan probably felt the same way last week. I also am not really seeing the "one-on-one" connection you refer to. Not in a game where a single block can turn a running play from a 3 yard loss into a touchdown (ask Maurice Drew).

It doesn't matter how much "heart" you have when your efforts are misguided. I believe a very wise man once said "Never mistake activity for achievement". And that wise man knew a little something about winning games.

by Tydides on Sep 9, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A win is A win
i was at the game yesterday and well lets just say it was't a pretty game. 2 me it sounded that there was more BYU fans then Bruin fans at times. so if ur going to go to the games whistle, yell, and screm your lungs out. damn lady in front of me kept looking back at me with this ugly look because i was screaming to loud. in the end a win is a win. i think BYU's plan was to stop Olson and they did. and for those ppl that r coming down on Olson hey he is 7-0 as a starter.  

by uclaov1 on Sep 9, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Quite
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/boxscore;_ylt=AvTDsnjVbVsmZ.1_9KENzO3yvbYF?gid=200609230065

Washington 29
UCLA 19

Let's be honest, Ben did not play well yesterday, and this was an incredibly disappointing win.

by Tydides on Sep 9, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its safe to say
That Ben Olson for Heisman is pretty much dead.  I would like Cowan back.  At least he can run the ball when the play breaks down.

by joeb on Sep 9, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The question is
Can he pass it if the play doesn't break down?

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 9, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another question is
what difference does it make if the play doesn't break down and he makes the pass but it's only for five yards when it's third and eight.

by Fox 71 on Sep 9, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch!
That comment just hit a nerve.  That ticks me off everytime I see it, and it has been one of the few consistencies in KD's tenure regardless of the OC or QB.

by bornagainbruin on Sep 10, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad for the players
I didn't see any quit or lack of effort in any of the players, including BO, who did not have a good game, by anyone's measure.

These are very talented, spirited players.  Yes, a win is a win is a win, but there is something else wrong with this ship.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 9, 2007 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New rankings out
UCLA is 11 in both.  LSU has moved within 12 points of USC in the AP.

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 9, 2007 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OT - ('cept for rankings)
But much as I cannot stand that ugly red and yellow and Pom Pom and all, somebody needs to smack down all mouth and no brains Les Miles and LSU.   Can't come soon enough.
The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Sep 9, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

even worse
Agree with you about LSU; until Miles opened his trap, I would have been all for him wiping the floor with u$c come January, if it came to that.

As a Longhorns fan long before coming to UCLA, seeing Oklahoma as the main threat to those 2 (the #2 team behind LSU, imo) makes me sick. if any 2 of those teams runs the table, I won't know who to root against more strongly (except it will be on a new TV, having likely thrown a heavy object through my current one at the end of the BCS selection show).

by bruinhoo on Sep 9, 2007 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nestor, I'm disappointed too -
but feels like a loss?  We're 2-0 baby - let's rally around our guys!

by JohnnyBruin on Sep 9, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did the players or the coaches get complacent?
Agree with most thoughts in this thread.  One thing that strikes me that hasn't been discussed is that when it came down to crunch time in the 4th, with BYU threatening to take the lead, our defense, which had been a sieve, gets a turnover, and keeps them from scoring the rest of the game.  When our offense got the ball back late in the 4th, after doing nothing all half, they finally string together some first downs and generate a scoring drive to ice the game.

So here's my question...did the team get soft with the lead at halftime, and then wake up and turn it on when it got close in the end?  Both sides of the ball looked awful for the 3rd and first half of the 4th quarters, and then both slammed the door at the end of the game.  

Because if this is the case (given that we believe we had the superior athletes/speed/size/ etc, who could do this needed), is that on the players or the coaches?  We should have enough seniors on the field that they can keep themselves motivated - but it's still the coaches calling the plays and putting in personnel.  I think that both share some blame, but would put the majority on the coaches.  I want to see our team go Spurrier on opponents when we get them down.  Our runs into the middle of the line weren't working.  3 yd passes on 3rd and 7 didn't move the chains.  The soft deep zone allowed BYU to complete 10 yard passes between the numbers over and over and over.  This allowed BYU to get back in the game and made it much closer than necessary.

I don't think the coaches gave the players the best chance to succeed, and it seemed like we were running out the clock from the 2nd half kickoff.  Finally when things got urgent, everyone responded, which tells me we had the players and the schemes to do that all along.  But I don't think we ever should have been in that position.  Is SPJ the 5 TD guy from last week or the 100 yd passer from yesterday?  Is our D going to allow 300+ yds passing or or they gonna force consecutive 3 and outs like at the end of the game?  I always think that talent comes from players, and inconsistency comes from coaches (yeah, it's hard on the coaches...).  So the coaches have to get that killer instinct, and I don't see that in KD or in either coordinator.  And that will get us stuck in nail biters against teams we should put away easily, and we won't always be as lucky as yesterday.  Any thoughts??

Oh, and I hate $c.  Go Big Red - even if the N on that helmet stands for Knowledge.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Sep 9, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New Polls are out
We're 11 in both.  That must be from voters who only look at the final score, and don't analyze the games.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/coaches/
Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Sep 9, 2007 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Same ol' same ol'
   As I sit on another lazy Sunday afternoon flipping through yesterday's game program I get that feeling in my stomach again. I was told by Coach Dorrell that this season would be different, new cordinator, returning players, I was told this feeling I get on Sundays would be taken care of.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we won, but this awful feeling in my stomach has not gone away. Why must we be subjected to this type of coaching ? Conservative play calling, and bend -not-break defense? I thought these were things of the past. It just boils down to this we have the players, we just need the coach.

    Yesterday we escaped with a win and well, next week we get a chance to prove that BYU was a fluke. Funny thing is that yesterday was my daughters' first Bruin game....she also said she has this sick feeling in her stomach. I told her welcome to Bruin football under Dorrell....  

by bruinmike26 on Sep 9, 2007 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Final Bruin Drive of the Game...
remember, was prolonged by 2 boneheaded penalties by  the BYU defense.  One was on a 2nd and 5 which gave us a first down (can't quite remember the call), and the other was the pass interference.  Make no mistake, BYU lost that game more than us winning it.  How much more of this can we take?  We've got to get Dorrell out of here, but will UCLA pay?

by bruin8uclap on Sep 9, 2007 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Other penalty was a 5-yard incidental facemask
I wouldn't say we were all of a sudden in a groove on that last drive. Our first two 1st-downs were by the afore noted penalties on 3rd downs. The first of our only two earned 1st-downs was then followed by the bonehead 5-yard delay of game. Nice of our coaching staff to save those timeouts.

by Telemachus on Sep 9, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

During the BYU drive that nearly got them into
the endzone when Hall got the ball swatted out for the fumble recovered by the Bruins AND the Bruins tense ball-control scoring drive, did anyone notice KD's look? Everytime the TV Camera had a shot of him he looked like he was staring out into space.  

It seemed to me it was as if he was spending the last heart-pounding part of the fourth quarter in the Twilight Zone.  Cnn't he EVER consistantly show some real emotion during critical points in a game?

by bruinhawk on Sep 9, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My take
I'm going to start off with something positive, and say. We did what good teams are supposed to do, and found a way to win when we were not at our best. That being said I am pissed off at the way we regressed from last week. Going into last week my biggest concern was our meek conservative offense, and was extremely pleased the way we opened it up. We threw down field and threw posts to the corners, and even a flea flicker. I was hoping this is what it is going to be like with Norvell. Well yesterday was the same ol crap Svaboda got us used to last year, and with the same results. Our running game was just as conservative too, every play off tackle. If we were supposed to have superior speed and athleticism, how about a sweep, or something outside to use our speed. I sure hope some changes are made, and we leaned from this game, or we could be in for a long season when we play the better teams in the pac 10. Thats just my .02.

by wizardofoc on Sep 9, 2007 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BYU was the third toughest opponent
on our schedule.  Plus it was early in the season, and I believe we will get better.  We are playing an easier team next week, and even though it is an away game, we will do better fo' sho.

I read today how our team's unofficial leader, Bruce Davis, was saying that the team is taking its close call victory on Saturday and learning from that experience.  The players are all pumped to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

I believe them when they say they won't allow it to happen again all season.  After all, it is these guys who are the ones playing on the field.  

by Steven on Sep 10, 2007 12:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Learning From This Past Saturday?
What is there to "learn" after 4 years of playing football? What does he have to learn about a close game with BYU? I swear, with all the learning and growing these kids are getting with Dorrell, they should be earning a PhD.

by BruinFan1 on Sep 10, 2007 1:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

COWAN? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!
I really do not understand certain fans wanting to get Cowan under center.  Yes he's more mobile, but he does not give us the best chance to win.  I don't know what you games some of you guys were watching last year but it was mainly our defense that was winning games for us.  As many analysts have noted, the Bruins need to come up with offensive schemes and plays that take advantage of BO's talents.  He's got a big arm and we need to start throwing the damn ball all over the field and utilize the receivers and not just dink and doink 3 yard pass plays.  We're 2-0 people, we should not blame BO and call for Cowan, blame Norvell and KD for not utilizing BO's abilities and using predictable offensive schemes.  With the way our defense is playing this year we could be 1-1 with Cowan under center.  Has everyone forgot about the multitude of picks Pat Cowan last year? Get behind Big Ben and go get Rick Neuheisel.  

by eoj703 on Sep 10, 2007 3:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not going to disagree
We know what our record is now with Ben.  We don't know what it would be with Pat in qt QB, but we can surely speculate with some degree of accuracy.

But I think eoj hit the nail directly on the head with the observation that Training Jay and the Thinker are not giving Ben plays that match his strong points.  Ben seems to flourish on down field passing.  (Two for two as I recall against BYU.)  He also did quite well with the jail break screen against Stanford, but I don't remember seeing any of them against BYU.  I note a decided difference between the "long handoff" - one-step drop and pass to a receiver at or behind the line - which Ben did fairly well and the three or four yard out which Ben has been consistently poor at (or at least that's the way it looks to me.)

Let Ben do what he does best.  The only reason why Training Jay and the Thinker would not do that is if what Ben's strength is might require some variation to the WCAO.  Nah - that can't be it.  Our coaches certainly know how to make adjustments.

by Fox 71 on Sep 10, 2007 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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