Solid Contributions from Josh Shipp
Get Off His Back!
Yes, the clean block on Sloan's drive was incredible -- just what you'd expect from JS.
But, as you watch the replay of the game, if you look for them, you will see the many contributions Josh Shipp makes to this team and this victory.
I am so tired of Josh bashing.
On scores, Josh was prepared for the rebound had one been needed.
Josh followed a couple fast break layins -- and was up around the hoop had they not gone in.
Josh is responsible for some great entry passes.
When he was scoring, critics said he was "jacking up shots" and should let the game come to him.
Now that he is letting the game come to him, they criticize him for not scoring.
Josh takes the open shots. Over the past couple of weeks, I've seen some of the deepest swishes unswhish and bounce out. He's close to being there. Time will cure this.
Josh sets screens. Moves and stays in the flow of the game.
And, while the balls are bouncing out, he's doing all of the things that make this team great.
I was a little disappointed that some of us were posting, in the game thread, that JS should be pulled. I trust Howland to put the right people in the game, in the right places at the right times. I understand that many posts let off nervous energy -- mine do to. I look back and wonder why I said some things.
But, I want Josh to know that he has our very solid support and we appreciate what he's doing.
I also want him to know that we have his back with the MSM. How dare the fishwrap reporters single him out for criticism and derision?
This morning, I went to the wrap to see how hard they would work to diminish this victory over a very good Aggie team --one that had many of us worried when we saw they were in our path -- and it didn't take long to find a video of Plaschke saying something like
"Josh Shipp didn't show up for the game."
I don't know what game Plaschke watched.
I just wish Plaschke hadn't shown up for the game.
sjh
I believe in a robust free press -- one without restrictions. But, that does not mean that our Athletic Department medial people should not be working behind the scenes to make sure that the lazy people like Dohn, and the fishwrap reporters have the real facts. Were it me, I'd not give special treatment to reporters who consistently, without any basis, denigrate our program. I would not censor them and we should not. But, I sure would not treat them as royalty. I'd rather give special access to people who do honest research and write. If that's a high school kid -- that's fine. I'm tired of media professionals spouting off about things they've either not researched or don't understand.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, sjh
And that's what we're getting with our MSM press coverage. I have heard that the fishwrap reporter is bashing our guys. (I don't read the fishwrap, so I'm getting this second hand.)
I think a GREAT story for the UCLA SID to release would be a story that certain MSM guys had been told they would not be getting credentials for the next game. They can, of course, buy a ticket like anyone else, but they will not be in the press box snorting the free food, and they will not have their homework done for them with all the press kit stuff (e.g., instant stats, instant injury reports, etc., etc.)
The UCLA SID can explain that the credentials had been pulled because of a lack of professionalism - bashing student athletes, getting stuff just plain wrong, and that sort of thing.
No one is asking for puff pieces. Just accurate pieces. And if the guy who gets the credential can't do the job, then let him buy a ticket like anyone else.
The fishwrap would scream bloody murder, and so much the better. It would mean that horrible newspaper would get the close scrutiny that it can't stand.
by Fox 71 on Mar 23, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plashke is a loyal staffer of the Trojan Times
The Trojan Times is subtley trying to perpetuate the myth that one call determines the outcome of a game and that UCLA has been getting more than its fair share of calls this season.
By the way, that same caption on the front page concludes with the following: "Shipp was scoreless in 37 minutes, missing four shots from teh field." Of course this is just stating facts, but its inclusion in this caption just doesn't sit well with me personally. It seems to highlight the Trojan Times' opinion that Shipp played poorly and got away with a foul at the deciding point of the game.
by FUSC on Mar 23, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Self-Amenification
by Bruinut on Mar 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love him
by jjreicher on Mar 23, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Shipp
And, as you pointed out, 66, he does all of those things--smart passes, setting screens, irritating the bejesus out of the other team's set offense--that make him a continual contributor to this WINNING team. He's been doing those things for years, PLUS hitting the 3's.
There is PLENTY of photographic and video evidence of his contributions to this team. He is very often the first one to reach out to congratulate a teammate on a great play.
Ben Howland is, and has always been, absolutely right about Josh. Basketball is a team sport. Josh's teams--WITH HIS HELP--have been to the Final Four twice and also to the championship game in the past two years, and have played an amazing winning season this year. Josh has been an integral part of these WINNING teams. He is, therefore, VERY MUCH a WINNER.
Every success this team has had and will have is because of every single team member playing a role, INCLUDING Josh Shipp.
I thought Plaschke might be just mean-spirited, but now I know he's ignorant, too. Bad combination.
Thanks, 66.
And, Amen.
by Bruingirl83 on Mar 23, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
The first thing is thank you for your post. We all need to be reminded sometimes that there is more to basketball than making baskets. Even some coaches don't know this (see Duke).
But I still feel that this post is a bit of a straw-man argument in some cases. I don't think any intelligent Bruin (which sadly, is not always a redundant phrase) SERIOUSLY feels that Shipp does NOT contribute, or is a BAD player. What many think is that expectations are higher for him, as a starting 5 of a national-championship-bound UCLA team.
I think Shipp is a great player when he is shooting well, and a good player when he is not. However, we should note that the quality it takes to be on the starting 5 of a UCLA team is "great" not just "good".
by dokein on Mar 23, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen
Just as you say there are very few people who feel that Shipp doesn't contribute, I'd say there are very few people who believe that everything is fine with Josh right now. I think the vast majority of people are in the middle somewhere, that he is making contributions to this team, but not in the points section of the scoresheet. Unfortunately, the extremely vocal minority often sets the agenda as far as discussion topics go.
by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the qualifications for starting on the team
by bruinofthenorth on Mar 23, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
by mr havercamp on Mar 23, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straw Man?
Some, directed at JS, is not that he should be better -- but that he should be benched.
Combine that with Plaschke and the other MSM dolts, and you will understand why I wrote.
All of us would love to see JS's shots start to fall.
But, he does so much more.
Are you one who believes that Howland is wrong for playing him, wrong for not playing someone in his place, wrong for continually praising his contribution?
Are you one who thinks we cannot go far without his scoring -- even though we've been winning tough games against very good teams because, in part, of the things he's doing other than scoring?
I know you are not one of those people. I am writing to the group of Bruins you don't think is intelligent.
Best,
by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media Coverage
The LA Times was pro-$C in the late 60's and early 70's when I was at UCLA, so some things clearly never change. Just like turning down the sound, as suggested from time to time, perhaps not reading the fishwrap would be prudent.
I do think, by contrast, that the TV coverage for this game was at a higher level. Bilas pointed out Shipp's shooting woes, but he did not call him out to be pulled or call him heartless.
I wish that the entire BN could adopt a more rational approach. Thanks, 66, for your usual perceptive post.
by islandbruin on Mar 23, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by Daselfish14u on Mar 23, 2008 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't quite understand
I know that in hearts hearts, where the lowest score wins. I thought this is basketball. I might be wrong (I'm not a big time newspaper guy), but I thought traditionally, the team that scores the higher number of points is declared the winner. We have scored more points than our adversary in 33 out of 36 games. I haven't checked, but I think that in each of those games, UCLA was credited with what we lawyers call a "win."
I'm no expert, of course. Heck, that's why we have what's his name in the fishwrap. Anyway, the way I see it, if we continue to play the way we played against Texas A&M (and in the eleven games before that) and score more points than the other team, we will be credited with a "win."
Of course, I'm no expert. That guy who writes for the fishwrap obviously knows more than the rest of us, which is why he writes for an alleged newspaper rather than work as a basketball coach. It could be that if we score more points than the other team, we might still lose if there are style points involved. I didn't think there were style points, but then I'm not a big time writer for a major metropolitan newspaper -- wait, that's Clark Kent. Anyway, that must be it. We score more points than the other guy, but we get no style points so we're out of the tournament. That must be it.
Thanks for clarifying. I'll know what to look for in future games.
by Fox 71 on Mar 23, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a long sarcasm post
by Daselfish14u on Mar 23, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was meant to be a bucket of water in the face
How about this -- we have played 80 minutes of tournament basketball and have given up 78 points in this 80 minutes. As I said, I'm no expert, but I have to think that we have a good chance if we average giving up 39 points a game for the rest of the tournament.
No one else in the tournament has a defense like ours. Defense wins these things. Where are the nay-sayers when it's time to start talking about the positives that our team (and only our team) brings to the game? I have no respect for the fishwrap of its writers, as you have probably perceived. But I expect a little more from fellow Bruins. There is a little negativity-induced hysteria going around. The antidote for that is a bucket of icewater in the face, and that's what you got. (I have been on the receiving end of these from time to time. Each time I needed it.)
And I don't think I'm being unreasonably optimistic, either. We have the best coach in the country, bar none, and (in my opinion) the best team. The team is better than the sum of the individuals on the team. Western Kentucky should be sweating seeds now, trying to figure out how to score against us.
by Fox 71 on Mar 23, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dripping
I will be very interested to learn what you lawyers call other things. For example, what do you call it when Clark Kent enters a phone booth, and comes out wearing opera tights?
(Nongeezers can look up "phone booth" in a history book..., or Wikipedia.)
by Bruinut on Mar 23, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phone booth...?
by bruinbunz on Mar 24, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much what he wrote ...
To be fair, I didn't see where Plaschke said it would be difficult for us to continue winning playing this way. Rather it was Helene Elliott on her page 8 story entitled "Westbrook, Shipp need to provide punch" who makes that point.
by snorkeldorf on Mar 23, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Video Plaschke Says Josh was Horrible
by Class of 66 on Mar 24, 2008 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks 66
by bruinblue85 on Mar 23, 2008 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
josh shipp
by glassbruin on Mar 24, 2008 4:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense
by JoeBruin on Mar 24, 2008 9:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with those who
And I don't think recognizing Shipp's inconsistency is unfairly bashing Shipp. If we were a cinderella team, no one would care about Shipp--we'd be celebrating another Sweet 16. But given our potential, it's hard not to (and fair) to question whether UCLA can get it done against the best without a more solid Shipp. And I think that is where the Shipp criticism comes from; expectations are so high, even though it's one game at a time.
Though our last three years have been great, there has to be a sense of seizing the opportunity when it presents itself. And while I hope we have Title opportunities often in the next 20 years, we KNOW we have one this year--and my anxiety about Shipp comes from appreciating how rare these opportunities are in the larger scheme of things. Anyway, that's my opinion--but like I said in another post, I do love Shipp even though I want him to play better.
by rfirpo on Mar 24, 2008 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree But
by islandbruin on Mar 24, 2008 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The MSM strikes again
by tasser10 on Mar 25, 2008 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lack of Knowledge/Sophistication
It takes much more knowledge and/or sophistication to understand good D -- to appreciate the beauty and balance, the foot speed, and body control, the choreography that mark BH's D.
It's more than brute strength. It's strength and a plan.
They are too lazy to see all the little things that culminate in great D, so they complain about our lack of scoring -- because all they have to do to do that is look at the scoreboard.
by Class of 66 on Mar 25, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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