Man Bites Dog
Always prescient and in top form, our fearless host, Nestor, observed in a recent post:
"Watching CBS going to commercials would have given anyone (who was not paying attention to the game) that it was Arizona who was dominating and controlling the game. Just really odd and annoying." I am sure you realize that this bias goes back to Wooden's reign when -- after three or four consecutive titles -- everyone in the country was pulling for anyone to unseat UCLA. Cases in point: rooting for that unctuous sleaze Digger Phelps and his ND teams and reveling in upset in '74 by NC State (and that brigand David Thompson).Packer, the late Al McGguire (who said that UCLA would not get another title before the turn of the century), and Vitale are notorious for this sentiment. McGuire lived to see UCLA hang banner number eleven in '95 and Vitale has affected the buffoon persona and, perforce, mediated his prejudice to attain the appearance of omni-roundball fan. Personal opinion: only the venerable Dick Enberg (who once broadcast the Walton Gang's games for KTLA) is remotely even-handed. But there are a host of others who adopt a certain tone of glee when reporting Bruin basketball misfortunes on the micro and macro levels.
A special place in Hell is reserved, however, for Mr Packer. His claim to fame is playing guard for the Wake and getting into the final four in '62. He is, during his career as a commentator, notorious for alternately stepping in it and taking huge bites of bis Bruno Maglis; cf. his Wikipedia entry. I recall his denigration going back to the Wooden era of the mid-sixties, gleefully reporting on UCLA's defeat by Notre Dame (or some other school). I kinda think ol' Billy developed the grudge because UCLA probably beat Wake in the consolation final four game in 1962.
Whatever.
But Mr. Packer got drilled by an overly cordial Ben Howland after the Arizona game when he tried to trot out the "deer-in-the-headlights" comment about Josh Shipp's play in the second half. Ben would have none of that, saying, in effect, that there are more apsects to a game than analysts see and that Shipp contributed materially outside of his shooting -- or lack thereof.
Chew on that, you bitter old man!
But we have always been targets for this. There has been nothing like the Bruin program before Wooden made his fantastic run and there will not likely be anything in the future. With an expanded field of 64 (I remember a field of 16 teams) and remarkable talents matriculating through schools -- only pausing for a short cup of coffee -- on their ways to the promised land of NBA megabucks, constancy will be harder than ever to achieve.
Happily, UCLA has arrived as a candidate closest to approximate the fantastic feats of its own days of yore. That Ben Howland pulled a moribund program up by its bootstraps, made the final four in the last two years, and will probably do very well this year (I am being conservative, not pessimistic). CBH has done so despite pro defections (meant affectionately) and a changing cast of characters; his UCLA teams appear to be the one constant in a rapidly changing milieu. Bill Walton had it right: "Order has been restored to the Universe."
Although the bias and short shrift goes beyond tediousness, UCLA is a victim of this because of its recent success. Most fans are beginning to realize that, once more, they may be facing another decade or two of those talented athletes in the Blue-and-Gold jerseys depriving them of whatever fleeting hope of fame they might have had with their teams' pathetic attempts to develop a dynasty.
If you can put yourself in their shoes for a brief, agonizing momment you will per understand. Don't you tire of the Condoms' perceived dominance on the gridiron? Who did not ache at the incessant bleating over the New England Patriots' potential for an undefeated season nor revel in the New York Giants upset in the Supre Bowl? Boston winning the World Series is so-o-o-o-o yesterday!
UCLA winning, if not already, will soon become the "dog bites man" of college basketball; Arizona or Stanford -- or anyone defeating the Bruins -- will be the "man bites dog". Like high speed pursuits, messy traffic accidents, or O.J. trials, it sells.
..sells enough to cut to commercials with 05.7 seconds on the clock with the prospect of a UCLA loss hanging in the balance.
Like the old adage, "living well is the best revenge", UCLA can keep winning, hanging banners, and letting these idiots suck on that.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Al Maguire Lived to See Us Win in 1995
Quickdraw..
While I cannot recall the insensitive remarks, I do remember Al as having publically recanted most of his denigration of UCLA basketball made years before.
by whp68 on Mar 3, 2008 11:11 AM PST reply actions
Billy Packer
'06 Tourney
If I remember correctly
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
That's just my recollection of it
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
A different reason for saying "no"
Quick quiz - did you know that it was AZ's ball with 6 second to go when we knocked it out of bounds? Did you know that a two-point shot would tie us, and a three point shot would beat us? Did you know when Bayless shot the ball from between his legs that it was unlikely that it would go in?
Extra credit - just looking at that guy who had the open shot, it was clear to me without announcers that the coach had set up a three-pointer for the win, and the kid was just doing what the coach said. Did I need the announcers to deduce that? No. Could I be mistaken? Sure. But were the announcers privy to what the coach said in AZ's huddle? No.
Conclusion. All announcers - yes, even Vinnie - are unnecessary when the sport can be seen (except maybe for curling, or things that aren't played by most of us as we were growing up. Some announcers are so bad that it's best to leave the radio off, and just watch the play by play on the computer.
You youngsters are going to get premature ulcers listening to these idiots who in truth know less about the game than you do.
No Fox...noooooo
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, Rye, but it is what it is
There doesn't have to be a game to enjoy hearing Vinnie tell stories. But when there is a game, you usually don't need Vinnie to help you understand what's going on. Vinnie adds things, but he's not one hundred per cent necessary.
The rest of the Dodger announcers - nope. Sorry. Rick Monday was OK as long as it was just him in the booth. But in my opinion, when there is more than one person in the booth, the game gets relegated to second place behind the chit-chat and cuteness.
I assume Vinnie works alone. I can't imagine him wanting anyone else in the booth.
But take Vinnie out of the equation - I will grant you that he's a special case. Is there any other announcer now living that you need to hear? (That accounts for the late Chick Hearn.)
I took our advice
And yes he does still work alone.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I can't do it with the mute button
Could you imagine getting hired by the Dodgers as a rookie announcer and being told that you would be working as Vinnie's color man for a year or two? It would be a nice gig, but you sure shouldn't say anything.
Has Vinnie said anything about retiring? He started in 1949, I believe, so he's closing in on 60 years at the mike. I always wondered how he could take seeing the Dodgers lose so many games.
I think his contract goes through this year
by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 3, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Bob Miller and Jim Fox
Fox71 and Vin Scully
Even when one of his son's was matriculating at Pepperdine, I was told by the father of his son's roomate that he called both his son and roomate in and related their special responsiblity to honor the real and associated legacy and behave themselves at school. No hot shot, egoistic approach. Solid as they come...
Bill
AMEN!!!
by silverlakebruin on Mar 3, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, okay
I remember vividly when Hodges scored the winning run in the play-offs in '59 and Vinnie said "... and we go to Chicago."
I wonder if it would have been different if I had grown up listening to some absolute douche-bag. Maybe I would think Packer was pretty good. Naw.
Packer and Nantz are terrible
How is it possible that CBS continues to pay these two hacks as if they are the stars of the college basketball broadcasts? They could find a guy off the street who would do a better job. Or they could go down their roster of announcers and pull in someone who would improve things--Gus Johnson, Jay Bilas, even Bill Raftery. Just anybody but these two.
Gus Johnson is hilarious
by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 3, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 3, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you
That game was when I first learned about Gus Johnson, and I've been a huge fan of his since.
He's one of the few that should be the exception to Fox's will advised mute rule. (Rye, I'll back you up, Vin Scully should be on this list too).
Went to Howard for undergrad
by bruinbabe2000 on Mar 4, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Played on the baseball team too
Evidently, you can buy ringtones of his voice saying something about your school (...or introducing Barack Obama as President). Also, the site has a schedule of his future games - he'll be on the Pac-10 Championship game.
Eh
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions
I believed in 1995
Bill
I didn't mean us fans
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Mar 3, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
As an aside
As of today, they are counting down and at number 6, and so far, there are no Bruins in the list.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3230172
My thoughts exactly
Is it me or does that list seem extremely east coast biased? Outside of Bill Russel, is there any one on that list who played ball west of the Mississippi River?
Get ready to hate on ESPN
Quite simple--Packer hates sports!
Thank you..
By the way, congrats Nestor (and all of the others) on your well-deserved recognition. Bar none, the analysis and insight here lays bare the MSM drones and their frivilous persiflage. Were this a blog on professional bowling or torunament bridge, it would be almost as captivating so good is the commentary here.
by whp68 on Mar 4, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
"Persiflage"
Hardly
Except for the ditty about the "Modern Major General", I am not a devotee of G&S (I am devoted to reviving G&Ts, John Mortimer, and Horace Rumpole, however.)
G&S was ruined for me by an ardent eighth grade teacher at Portola Valley School. She was of French lineage, prone to tight skirts, sweaters, immoderate makeup School and insisted the entire class throw together a production of Iolanthe. Alas, I was cast as one of the fairies on the periphery of the drama and, at that age, found it more than traumatic to parade around in tights and be regarded as a fairy. (It having become more acceptable to others today -- particularly in the Castro District.)
I rebelled and, with the aid of a sympathetic mother, affected an illness on the night of the performance, thus escaping the humiliation.
My loathing of that experience has regrettably tainted my appreciation for W. S. and Arthur's work to this day.
Tan-tan-ta-ra!
by whp68 on Mar 5, 2008 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
You need to give it another try
And for you Philistines who are unenlightened about G&S in general and Iolanthe in particular, there are always tractor pulls or American Idol, I suppose.
..er, Nestor
by whp68 on Mar 4, 2008 11:23 AM PST reply actions
Sesquipedalianism
Persiflage......sheesh, your killing me here.

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