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Ben Ball News & Notes: No Reason To Get Down

Let’s get right to the round up from what was a tough day for lot of UCLA basketball fans around this Nation. Here are the key grafs re. KL decision from Dohn’s report:

Love appears to be more of a certainty to leave. Howland, in talking to NBA personnel, said Love is projected as a power forward and a lottery pick, ranging from No. 4 to No. 14 overall.

Love, UCLA's first all-American as a freshman and the Pacific-10 Conference Player of the Year, averaged 17.5 points and 10.6 rebounds per game.

"He can come back to school if he doesn't test well, but I think he'll be all right," said Love's father, Stan, who fought back tears after the announcement. "He's tough and he doesn't back down from challenges, and he's the hardest working player I've ever seen."
Again I wouldn’t advice anyone to hang on to any kind of glimmer of hope that KL will be in a UCLA basketball uniform next season. It’s not going to happen and frankly as I have said all season long it was never in the cards. We can’t get mad at gifted athletes such as KL who would have gone straight to the NBA if not for the current rules.

If you want to vent your frustrations and anger at someone, you should probably direct it towards folks who run NBA and other professional leagues in this country (I don't follow the current group of Lakers with the same emotional investment I followed Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Coop et al). They MTVized the sport in such a way that kids like KL, Kevin Durant, and other talented hoopsters grow up dreaming about living that glamour life so glorified by WWL and other outlets in the current corporate driven world of sports and entertainment industries.

All KL and other kids are doing are playing by the rules. He came to UCLA, gave everything he had on the court and did his best to totally fit in our extended community, and now that he has the opportunity to pursue his dreams, he is taking advantage of it. Nothing wrong with a kid pursuing his dreams and being happy. I wish him nothing but the best, and it is incredibly selfish for any of us to get upset with his decision when all along he has simply played by the rules and making smart decision.

As for the "legacy" issues here is what KL said about how he wants to do his part to always be a part of UCLA:
"I'm just looking to leave a legacy at UCLA,'' Love said. "Former basketball players such as Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who played under Coach Wooden as Lew Alcindor, and Bill Walton left their legacy on the basketball court, and off the court as well. I want to continue to do that beyond basketball.
"I want to help this school financially, sponsor player with my financial resources any way I possibly can.
"Lastly, I want to be come back UCLA, get my degree and put a smile on my mother's face.
I myself will probably not put KL in the same league as Ed O’Bannon (forget about Jabbar and Walton). However, if KL comes back and finishes up his degree, and promote our school and our program just like MJD, Baron Davis, JF, AA and other illustrious Bruins who left early to pursue their dreams (in MJD and Davis’s case – escape bad coaching), he will absolutely build his legacy here at UCLA. Coach Howland actually had a pretty interesting comment on this in the LA Times:
Howland said the defection in 2004 of freshman Trevor Ariza, now with the Lakers, "was not a great decision from a standpoint that he went late second round. He made it, thank goodness, but when you leave early you want to be a first-rounder.

"Bottom line . . . I think Kevin benefited from this year at UCLA, which is really going to help him as we move forward."
Unlike Ariza RW has an opportunity to emerge as a first rounder but there actually may be a glimmer of hope about him returning to UCLA. From Dohn:
Westbrook, who mostly played off-guard for the Bruins, said his NBA position will be point guard. He is projected as a No. 15 to No. 25 pick, and discussed what would keep him in the draft.

"If I'm top 20, there's a possibility I might not be coming back," Westbrook said. "If I was higher, I might consider coming back to school."

A key for the 6-foot-3 Westbrook will be showing consistency with his jump shot. His stock rose as the season progressed because of his ability to drive to the basket and score, but his jump shot remains a question.
Well I am not going to wish this kid flunk his NBA tryouts. I hope he blows up in his tryouts, impress the scouts and gets himself in a position to emerge as a sure fire top-20 pick. However, if he finds himself in a position where its not a certainty that he is a top-20 pick, and he comes back, well game on. But again I’d advise everyone here not to hold out hope and just get in the mindset that he is gone. I know that I don’t want to set myself up for disappointment.

In any event, given who is in charge of our program, there is no reason to be discouraged. From Chris Dufresne in the LA Times:
While a Bruins world mourns the loss of Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook -- with Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and Darren Collison possibly soon to follow -- the devoted should be thankful Ben Howland held it together this long.

Those three straight Final Four runs took talent, timing and a little bit of plate-spinning. Thursday, however, the Bruins lost a formal dining set.

"You become a little bit a victim of your own success," said Santa Clara Coach Kerry Keating, a former UCLA assistant on Howland's staff.

It was bound to happen -- and the Bruins are bound to bounce back.

College basketball isn't what used to be or will ever be again.

Lew Alcindor doesn't show up on campus as a freshman, sit out a year and then win three NCAA titles.
Read rest of the article here, which emphasizes how Coach Howland has put together the kind of foundation in place that will allow UCLA to withstand these kinds of shocks (a reality in today’s hoops world) and bounce back sooner or later.

As for bouncing back, Coach Howland is waiting to see what transpires in the coming weeks:
"We don't know who's coming back and who is going to be on the team," UCLA coach Ben Howland said. "I think that we'll be competitive. How competitive will be based upon who is in the program."
From the LA Times on upcoming decisions:
Junior forward Luc Richard Mbah a Moute delayed a scheduled news conference appearance with Westbrook and is expected to have a final decision on his future by the weekend, a UCLA men's basketball spokesman said.

Forward-center Alfred Aboya, guard-forward Josh Shipp and guard Darren Collison are weighing options. Collison's mother, June, said her son "has 10 more days to make a decision, and, knowing Darren, that's what he'll do: take all 10 days. He's very methodical in his decision making. It doesn't matter who stays or goes. He'll make his own decision."
I have seen some consternation around here as people are wondering why these kids would consider leaving early. Let me just zero in on AA2 and LRMAM, because those two kids can really help our program if they come back next season. I posted this already last week but I will do it again. Here was Coach Howland on AA2’s situation:
About Alfred Aboya, the Bruin coach said, "Let’s project and say Kevin did leave; Alfred you would look at, right now, as our leading candidate to be our starting center next year. If we were to lose him, we’ve already lost Lorenzo, that would be obviously, a huge loss. I hope that Alfred does come back; I hope he finishes his last year of college. I think he’ll have a great year, but again, that’s his decision. He has issues within family, for example; his dad is a diabetic and his mother has high blood pressure and they both need medications and they cost significant amounts of money. So he has that; that is a stress on him. There’s a lot of things that are hard of these kids to know and he has to make that decision. He still may not be able to finish the classes. For example, if Alfred goes and plays for the national team, he may not be able to finish the classes in the summer and he would have to come back because graduation from college is the No. 1 priority for that young man.

"He’s given way too much and has been so key in our last three years and the success we’ve had; Alfred can take whatever time he needs. He’s talked about law school; he’s not certain what he wants to do in that respect, so there’s some uncertainty as to what he wants."
I know everyone wants both AA2 and LRMAM to come back badly. But put yourself in AA2’s large shoes. He has been with us for three years literally giving his blood (and broken bones), leaving everything on the court (while terrorizing opponents and team-mates in practices …lol). He has kicked ass in class room. He is on track to graduate and oh by the way he has already experienced 3 Pac-10 championships and 3 Final-4s, a run unmatched by any other junior class in post Wooden era. So what’s wrong with the scenario if he just wants to try out something else and oh I don’t know … delve more into academics?

Same with LRMAM, another kid leaving thousands of miles away from his family, also on track to graduate early, and with a UCLA resume of hoops success unmatched by any other junior class in Post Wooden era. He is a junior. This is his last chance to test the NBA waters. So why not go out there this spring, participate in the NBA tryouts and see if he gets any signals from NBA club that would want him as a first round pick?

The decision making process kids like AA2 and LRMAM are going through makes all kind of sense to me. And I just don’t see why people should get bitter over it or try to look for something that isn’t there re. whether they are not excited to be back as Bruins. Same goes for JS, a kid who has been effected by 2 serious hip surgeries. JS despite his limited physical abilities gave what he had this year and did his best to play within the team game. I can understand why after four years of college basketball in which he played a key role in reestablishing UCLA as one of the elite program in the country, he wants to try something else.

So give these guys a little room and let the process work out. Once the smoke clears with Coach Howland in place even if the nuclear scenario has taken place, I feel good that we are going to be all right. There is no reason to get down.

GO BRUINS.

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Re: LRMAM and AA2
With the early departure of KL and the graduation of LMR, losing LRMAM and AA2 IMO would create a "nuclear scenario", no matter what happens with DC or RW: that leaves only 2 men taller than 6'7" on our roster: Gordon and Keefe.

Howland has got to be losing sleep over this scenario. That would certainly mean recruiting another big man or two at the last minute, which at this stage would probably mean a sleeper/project in the mold of a Mata (best case) or much worse (insert name).

No matter how good our guard play is next year, no matter how well Gordon and Keefe perform, no matter how well Howland coaches, but a situation like this would make a NIT invite a distinct possibility next year.

As Bruin fans, I think it at least begs the question of how we found ourselves in this situation. I don't mean to knock LRMAM or AA2 and their intentions, but I think it is at least fair to ask why. Is it Howland and his hard-nose approach to blame? Is it his recruiting? Is it just bad luck and timing, a cyclic force that every program must endure from time to time that bridges successful seasons with disappointing ones?

Championships are won in March and April, both on the court and at post season press conferences. That noise you heard yesterday may have been the proverbial window closing on us, for a while at least.

"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 18, 2008 8:23 AM PDT   0 recs

It is exactly as CBH said
We are victims of our own success. If we did not develop our players to the extent that we have, then DC and Westbrook, both unheralded recruits with only mid major offers, would not even be thinking NBA right now. If CBH did not care about recruiting quality student-athletes, then Aboya would not be on pace to graduate in three years. Luc is another unheralded recruit that finds his name in draft discussions because of his place in CBH's system. Of course the supreme talents of guys like Love are expected and result in high draft picks and no-brainer decisions, but you don't have to search very far to find the reason why the rest of our team wrestles with this choice: too much success.

by Tydides on Apr 18, 2008 12:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you saying what it sounds like you are saying?
We should be looking for something to blame?  
The candidates for blame are Coach Howland's hard nosed attitude and/or his recruiting?

This sounds like a fairly ungrateful attitude with respect to the coach who has just led the Bruins to three straight final fours.

I also don't see why we should assume even in the nuclear scenario that we are NIT-bound.  Stanford lost the Lopez twins, OJ2 is gone from $C, the Arizona program is a mess with the Olson/McNeil carousel and they are losing Budinger and Bayless, WSU has lost 3 seniors, Ryan Anderson has made himself eligible for the draft.  Meanwhile, the Bruins have the #1 recruiting class entering school next year. I don't see all the other Pac-10 teams who will finish ahead of UCLA, and relegate us to the NIT.

Count me out for the blame game.

by islandbruin on Apr 18, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope
I'm personally not blaming Howland, but I am throwing that possibility out there to generate some discussion on how and why we find ourselves in such a precarious situation next year. Your points are well taken. I personally blame the NBA and bad luck/timing.

You are correct that the rest of the league will be losing quite a bit as well. Maybe the Pac 10 is a 2 or 3 bid league next year, who knows? I'm glad we're facing these issues next year as opposed to this year.

"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 18, 2008 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

UCLA
You bring up some good points as you always do. But I will go on the record and say even if the nuclear scenario were to occur, UCLA will be in the big dance. I am as confident about it as I was about KL leaving after this year. Perhaps we won't win the pac but we will make it in the dance and it will be a joy to watch the fab 4 develope under Howland just like it was watching JF, AA and others. Like I said don't get down. Have some faith. I think at the end of the day we may not face the nuke scenario. We will see ... But I am not worried one bit.

by Nestor on Apr 18, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree with N on this point.
We have four new guys coming who already have a lot of skill, and who are about ready to get turned into complete players.  They are obviously aware of the "Howland Effect" on guys who might not have as much talent - Coach Howland's players go to the NBA ready to play.  These guys want that same thing to happen to them, so I'm sure they'll buy into Coach Howland's program and work their collective tails off.

Having hard working guys of great character will give us a successful year.  In addition to having a successful year, we may well rack up another year with way more wins than losses.  We'll be fine.

by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This hurts...it really does
OK, so I need to grieve a little bit here.  OK, maybe a lot of bit.

I grieve for the loss of wonderful kids who not only provided us with a season of thrills, but also were wonderful representatives of UCLA.

 I grieve for the college experience that these kids will lose out on, lured as they are by NBA dollars.

I grieve for the loss of the next generation legacy-makers; the 4-year or 3-year stars of yesteryear UCLA that CBH surrounds his latest crop of kids with each season at the team's BBQ.

I really, really feel for the immense challenge that CBH takes on each and every season of living with uncertainty ("who's staying and who's going") and the insatiable demand of finding the next crop of kids that can come in immediately and play - and may in-turn be gone in a year.

I grieve for the overall state of college basketball that it has been turned into a feedlot for the NBA.

Somehow this all doesn't feel like progress, but it sure is painful.

by bruins2x on Apr 18, 2008 8:49 AM PDT   0 recs

This is Certainly a Rarity
I am absolutely no Pollyanna, but all of these the-sky-really-is-falling posts are making me feel like one.

We have one of the best, if not the best, active coaches in the game, we have not one or two but FOUR of the very best freshman who play coming in this fall, we have, inarguably, one of the best programs in the nation to attract the best of the best again NEXT year, we have returning players like Keefe and Shipp who pour their hearts, souls and bodies onto the floor like there is no tomorrow, we have a distinct probablitity that both LRMAM and AA2--despite the pressure of family responsibilities--will come back...

I don't need CBH to prove to me again that he finds the players, and that he knows the way.  I know he does.

Ummmm, the sky is falling on Kansas State, guys, not on us.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM PDT   0 recs

The Fantastic Four...
I want to see who will remember these post of a complete nuclear meltdown once the fantastic foursome come in and start to click from the start mowing down the competition or at least putting up a good fight...
Howland basically has the 1-4 spots covered with the incoming freshmen, and might I add, they can ball. If he can find a big body to plug into the middle, who is willing to take care of the garbage down low, the team doesn't look so bad. And like some people have mentioned before, you have the benefit of getting Shipp, Roll and Keefe back, as well as Drago and Stanback. Yeah the learning curve will be that much steeper, but when you're battling for those precious minutes, you know these kids are going to battle it out to flatten that curve...
All you need is a little faith...

"The man who is afraid to risk failure seldom has to face success." -CJRW

by RScal on Apr 18, 2008 3:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Nuclear scenario slowly coming true
Oh boy.  

It's hard when you've been following the same guys for 2-3 years.  Kevin Love I knew in my heart of hearts would be gone, along with Darren after this season, but Luc...  

At least he hasn't hired an agent.

by freesia39 on Apr 18, 2008 4:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Stop crying in your beers
And just think about what we have had....5 improving years in a row, 3 great years in the Final Four.

Everyone was saying we needed more athletes a couple of weeks ago.  But they are all leaving for the Show and the money (and who can blame them).

I say, focus on saying THANKS for their hard work and effort (I am looking forward to the Luc Thank You page here IF he leaves because that man has worked his butt off for UCLA).

I say, focus on growing the program next year.  Even in a nuclear scenario, we could have a fun team to watch.  We know CBH will make them work, hustle, defend and play smart.  

And let's all expect players to grow and improve like DC, RW, and so many others have done under CBH.  Growth of some of the bench players could be the key going forward.

Go Team Go!

by bruins grad and dad on Apr 18, 2008 4:50 PM PDT   0 recs

This all sounds familiar
I remember how screwed we were going to be when JF left early and we weren't going to have a decent PG. I remember how screwed we were going to be when AA left and we weren't going to have anyone to take crunch-time shots and be a defensive stopper. I think we need to let CBH prove that he can't get to the Final-4 before we start screaming about the sky falling again.

by TempletonPeck on Apr 22, 2008 3:20 AM PDT   0 recs

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