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There's a vein of thought running through the wider Bruin Nation about the viability of Coach Ben Howland, which BN reader Strathmore&Gayley summed up fairly well in the comment thread on this morning's post-Cal game breakdown:
Losing to Cal has become a UCLA tradition. I’m sorry Howlers, you don’t have a leg to Howl on. Howland is not a winner. He couldn’t win a NC with 2 NBA all stars on his team, he won’t win one without any viable NBA material on his team. This is a disgrace. His tenure must be ended. We need a new coach.
I've seen other readers expressing similar thoughts over the last few months about Howland and the wealth of talent UCLA had during those Final Four runs, but until this morning, I never really took the time to look into it. So, let's compare Howland's rosters on those three Final Four teams and the teams that knocked them out of the NCAA tournament and see if Howland properly utilized the talent he had and simply came up short, or if he mismanaged his squad, costing UCLA at least its twelfth national title in men's hoops. Obviously, post-college success is a very rough measure of talent, but for this purpose, I think it works (i.e. you don't get into the NBA if you suck, and likewise, you don't spend your career playing in the Spanish second division, Poland, or Austria if you're very good).
So, let's walk through those rosters, both for UCLA and our opponents, and see how Ben fared, after the jump.
2005-2006 UCLA Bruins
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Jordan Farmar |
NBA - New Jersey Nets; back-up PG; avg. 22.7 min., 11.1 points, 3.6 assists |
SG - Arron Afflalo |
NBA - Denver Nuggets; starting SG; avg. 30.2 min., 11.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.6 assists |
SF - Cedric Bozeman |
Waived from NBDL - Reno Bighorns due to injury; last in NBA in 2006-2007 season (Atlanta Hawks) |
PF - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute |
NBA - Milwaukee Bucks; starting PF; avg. 22.6 min., 6.2 points, 4.4 rebounds, 0.7 blocks |
C - Ryan Hollins |
NBA - Cleveland Cavaliers; back-up C; avg. 10.3 min., 2.8 points, 1.3 rebounds, 0.6 blocks |
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Bench |
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SG Janou Rubin |
Hungarian B'ball Nat'l Champ. - Soproni KC; starting SG; avg. 32.1 min.,16.7 points, 6.0 rebounds, 1.8 assists |
PG Darren Collison | NBA - Indiana Pacers; starting PG; avg. 34.0 min., 11.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 0.8 steals |
SG/SF Josh Shipp | Turkish B'ball League - Galatasaray; starting SF; avg. 20.4 min., 9.9 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists |
PG DeAndre Robinson | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PF Ryan Wright | Super B'ball League (Taiwan) - Taiwan Mobile Leopards; starting PF; avg. 37.0 min., 20.0 points, 16.5 rebounds |
PF/C Alfred Aboya | Venezuela LPB - Bucaneros; back-up PF/C; avg. 18.0 min., 3.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 2.0 steals |
C Lorenzo Mata | LNBP (Mexico) - Halcones de Xalapa; starting C; avg. 21.9 min., 9.1 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists |
SG/SF Michael Roll | B'ball League Belgium - Antwerp Giants; starting SG; avg. 29.3 min., 12.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.3 steals |
PG/SG Kelvin Kim | Unknown - transferred to UCSD, no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PG/SG Joey Ellis | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
C Michael Fey |
Hungarian B'ball Nat'l Champ. - Kaposvari KK; starting PF; avg. 34.6 min., 17.3 points, 8.9 rebounds |
PG Nican Robinson |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
2005-2006 Florida Gators
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Taurean Green |
Turkish B'ball League - Tofas Bursa; starting SG; last in NBA in 2007-2008 season (New York/Denver/Portland) |
SG - Lee Humphrey |
NBDL - Rio Grade Valley Vipers; back-up SG; avg. 27.2 min., 11.7 points, 2.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists |
SF - Corey Brewer |
NBA - Denver Nuggets; back-up SF; avg. 17.0 min., 8.5 points, 2.8 rebounds |
PF - Al Horford |
NBA - Atlanta Hawks; starting C; injured, out-for-season; 2-time NBA All-Star |
C - Joakim Noah |
NBA - Chicago Bulls; starting C; avg. 29.0 min., 9.0 points, 9.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.2 blocks |
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Bench |
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PG/SG Walter Hodge |
PLK (Poland) - Zastal ZG; starting PG; avg. 30.8 min., 17.7 points, 6.4 assists, 1.3 steals |
PG/SG Jack Berry |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG David Huertas |
BSN (Puerto Rico) - Quebradillas; starting SG; avg. 30.6 min., 14.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, 2.1 assists |
PF Adrian Moss |
LEB Oro (Spainish Second Division) - Palencia - starting C; avg. 28.2 min., 15.2 points, 6.7 rebounds |
PF/C Chris Richard |
Last with Liaoning Dinosaurs (Chinese B'ball Assoc.) in 2010-11 season; last in NBA in 2009-10 season (Chicago) |
PF/C Jimmie Sutton |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PG/SG Brett Swanson |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Garrett Tyler |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
Let's see: when the Bruins met the Gators in the national title game, they had a starting line-up that included 4 NBA players and one guy who briefly went to the NBA but washed out of basketball because of his chronically bad knees (Ced Bozeman might be one of the biggest "what if" stories at UCLA if not for Lavin's terrible coaching and his bad knees). Of those Bruins, two are starters (AA and LRMAM), one is a consistent contributor (JF), and one is a back-up role player (RH). Oh, and of course, there's a NBA starter on the bench (DC). That said, the Gators had a pretty impressive line-up, featuring three future NBA players, one of which is now a two-time All-Star (Horford). So, while the Bruins had more NBA talent, the Gators had some pretty good NBA talent, so you figure this one kind of has to be a wash for Ben (and realistically, on that first run to the Final Four, who thought we'd get that far).
2006-2007 UCLA Bruins
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Darren Collison |
NBA - Indiana Pacers; starting PG; avg. 34.0 min., 11.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 0.8 steals |
SG - Arron Afflalo |
NBA - Denver Nuggets; starting SG; avg. 30.2 min., 11.6 points, 2.6 rebounds, 1.6 assists |
SF - Josh Shipp |
Turkish B'ball League - Galatasaray; starting SF; avg. 20.4 min., 9.9 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists |
PF - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute |
NBA - Milwaukee Bucks; starting PF; avg. 22.6 min., 6.2 points, 4.4 rebounds, 0.7 blocks |
C - Lorenzo Mata-Real |
LNBP (Mexico) - Halcones de Xalapa; starting C; avg. 21.9 min., 9.1 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists |
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Bench |
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PG/SG Russell Westbrook |
NBA - Oklahoma City Thunder; starting PG; avg. 35.1 min., 22.9 points, 4.9 rebounds, 5.7 assists; NBA All-Star |
PG Mustafa Abdul-Hamid |
Liga ABA (Croatia) - BC Krka; back-up PG; avg. 23.9 min., 11.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.8 assists |
PF James Keefe |
BJL (Japan) - Niigata Albirex BB; back-up PF; avg. 13.6 min., 9.0 points, 6.3 rebounds |
PG DeAndre Robinson | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PF Ryan Wright | Super B'ball League (Taiwan) - Taiwan Mobile Leopards; starting PF; avg. 37.0 min., 20.0 points, 16.5 rebounds |
PF/C Alfred Aboya | Venezuela LPB - Bucaneros; back-up PF/C; avg. 18.0 min., 3.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 2.0 steals |
SG/SF David McGrath |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Michael Roll | B'ball League Belgium - Antwerp Giants; starting SG; avg. 29.3 min., 12.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.3 steals |
SF/PF Nikola Dragovic |
PBL (Russia) - BC Spartak St. Petersburg; back-up PF; avg. 2.0 min., 0.0 points, 0.0 rebounds |
PG/SG Joey Ellis | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PG/SG Matt Lee |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
2005-2006 Florida Gators
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Taurean Green |
Turkish B'ball League - Tofas Bursa; starting SG; last in NBA in 2007-2008 season (New York/Denver/Portland) |
SG - Lee Humphrey |
NBDL - Rio Grade Valley Vipers; back-up SG; avg. 27.2 min., 11.7 points, 2.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists |
SF - Corey Brewer |
NBA - Denver Nuggets; back-up SF; avg. 17.0 min., 8.5 points, 2.8 rebounds |
PF - Al Horford |
NBA - Atlanta Hawks; starting C; injured, out-for-season; 2-time NBA All-Star |
C - Joakim Noah |
NBA - Chicago Bulls; starting C; avg. 29.0 min., 9.0 points, 9.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.2 blocks |
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Bench |
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PG/SG Walter Hodge |
PLK (Poland) - Zastal ZG; starting PG; avg. 30.8 min., 17.7 points, 6.4 assists, 1.3 steals |
PG/SG Jack Berry |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PF Jonathan Mitchell |
LEB Oro (Spainish Second Division) - CB Tarragona; starting PF; avg. 27.0 min., 12.9 points, 4.4 rebounds |
SG Brandon Powell |
Unknown; last with Philippine Patriots (ASEAN B'ball League) in 2009-2010 season |
PF/C Chris Richard |
Last with Liaoning Dinosaurs (Chinese B'ball Assoc.) in 2010-11 season; last in NBA in 2009-10 season (Chicago) |
C Marreese Speights |
NBA - Memphis Grizzlies; starting PF; avg. 20.9 min., 7.4 points, 5.7 rebounds |
PG/SG Brett Swanson |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Garrett Tyler |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PF Dan Werner |
LB Serie A (Italy) - Virtus Bologna; back-up PF; avg. 7.0 min., 0.9 points, 1.5 rebounds |
Well, obviously Florida returned all five of their starters from their national title winning team that beat UCLA the prior year, so that is a big advantage. In terms of raw talent, UCLA had three future NBA starters starting for the Bruins that season (DC, AA, LRMAM) and a future NBA All-Star on the bench (RW), although to be fair to Howland, RW was a very raw freshman, not the high-flying dunk machine we know and love today. So, you sort of have to give Howland a pass on not winning it all when the Gators were in the way.
2007-2008 UCLA Bruins
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Darren Collison |
NBA - Indiana Pacers; starting PG; avg. 34.0 min., 11.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 0.8 steals |
SG - Russell Westbrook |
NBA - Oklahoma City Thunder; starting PG; avg. 35.1 min., 22.9 points, 4.9 rebounds, 5.7 assists; NBA All-Star |
SF - Josh Shipp |
Turkish B'ball League - Galatasaray; starting SF; avg. 20.4 min., 9.9 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists |
PF - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute |
NBA - Milwaukee Bucks; starting PF; avg. 22.6 min., 6.2 points, 4.4 rebounds, 0.7 blocks |
C - Kevin Love |
NBA - Minnesota Timberwolves; starting PF; avg. 39.6 min., 25.6 points, 13.9 rebounds; 2-time NBA All-Star |
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Bench |
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C Lorenzo Mata-Real |
LNBP (Mexico) - Halcones de Xalapa; starting C; avg. 21.9 min., 9.1 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists |
PG Mustafa Abdul-Hamid |
Liga ABA (Croatia) - BC Krka; back-up PG; avg. 23.9 min., 11.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.8 assists |
PF James Keefe |
BJL (Japan) - Niigata Albirex BB; back-up PF; avg. 13.6 min., 9.0 points, 6.3 rebounds |
PG DeAndre Robinson | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Chace Stanback |
NCAA Div. I - UNLV (redshirt senior); starting SF; avg. 28.8 min., 13.7 points, 4.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists |
PF/C Alfred Aboya | Venezuela LPB - Bucaneros; back-up PF/C; avg. 18.0 min., 3.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 2.0 steals |
SG/SF David McGrath |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Michael Roll | B'ball League Belgium - Antwerp Giants; starting SG; avg. 29.3 min., 12.5 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.3 steals |
SF/PF Nikola Dragovic |
PBL (Russia) - BC Spartak St. Petersburg; back-up PF; avg. 2.0 min., 0.0 points, 0.0 rebounds |
PG/SG Joey Ellis | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PG/SG Matt Lee |
Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
2007-2008 Memphis Tigers
Player | Where They Are Now |
Starting Line-up |
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PG - Derrick Rose | NBA - Chicago Bulls; starting PG; avg. 35.5 min., 22.0 points, 7.8 assists, 3.4 rebounds; 3-time NBA All-Star |
SG - Antonio Anderson | Waived from NBDL - Maine Red Claws due to injury; last in NBA in 2009-10 season (OKC for 1 game) |
SG/SF - Chris Douglas-Roberts | LB Serie A (Italy) - Virtus Bologna; starting SG; last in NBA in 2010-11 season (Milwaukee Bucks) |
PF - Robert Dozier | Pro A League (French First Division) - Cholet Basket; back-up PF; avg. 20.8 min., 8.0 points, 3.3 rebounds |
PF - Joey Dorsey | GBL (Greece) - Olympiacos; back-up PF; avg. 15.8 min., 5.6 points, 5.8 rebounds |
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Bench |
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PF/C Shawn Taggart | Turkish B'ball League - TED Istanbul; back-up PF; avg. 27.2 min., 15.2 points, 9.7 rebounds, 1.2 blocks |
PG/SG Willie Kemp | TBL (Tunisia) - ES Sahel; starting PG; no current statistics available |
SF/PF Pierre Niles | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
PG Andre Allen | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG Doneal Mack | TBL Second Division (Turkey) - Usak UB; back-up SG; avg. 15.5 min., 9.5 points, 1.5 rebounds |
PG/SG Chance McGrady | Unknown - no basketball related information available; presumably out of basketball |
SG/SF Jeff Robinson | OBL (Austria) - Furstenfeld Panthers; starting SG; avg. 28.6 min., 13.4 points, 6.5 rebounds |
PF/C Hashim Bailey | Transferred to Univ. of Massachusetts; no basketball information available following 2010-11 season |
This is the year that is the most damning against Howland. His roster had two NBA All-Stars (RW and KL), and two additional NBA starters (DC and LRMAM). The weakest link was Josh Shipp and he had a bench that included a seasoned veteran defensive specialist in LMR, an outside shooting threat in MR, defensive stoppers like AA2, and a guy who is now part of the UNLV renaissance in Stanback. Who did Calipari have? He had Derrick Rose, clearly the best player on either team, plus a roster full of scrubs. Look at the Memphis line-up. Except for Rose, those guys all suck. There is no reason CDR should have had as good of a game against us as he did. Rose is good, but one player doesn't win the whole show. If that was true, Michael Jordan would have three NCAA titles, not just one. Calipari's bench sucked too. The Bruins clearly had the superior talent (and if you match our roster up against Kansas, who beat Memphis, we had the better talent match-up too) and this was probably (given our program's current sorry state of affairs) Howland's best shot at winning it all.
Should Howland have won it all? Probably not against Florida, but not dropping Memphis and taking on Kansas (which would have favored us, both in the talent match-up, but also our recent history against Kansas in the tournament), was Howland's choke.
Oh, and interesting to note that the biggest, blackest mark against Howland: playing the Belgrade Bricklayer despite his terrible shot-selection, lackluster defense, and embarrassing behavior, on and off the court, all while more talented guys did nothing but warm the bench, is an interesting side note here.
While Chace Stanback and Mike Moser are blowing it up for UNLV (just two parts of the Ben Howland All-Transfer team), Ben's favorite little Bruin, Nikola Dragovic, finds himself buried at the bottom of the depth chart, doing nothing but riding the bench, in St. Petersburg, Russia. Let that sink in: the guy can't even crack the rotation in Russia, yet Howland saw fit to give him the lion's share of minutes in Westwood. Unbelievable.
Brilliant roster management Ben, brilliant.
In any event, fire away with your thoughts, takes, opinions, etc. on Ben's Final Four squads, where all these guys ended up, and if you think Ben should already have UCLA's twelfth national title banner hanging from the rafters of Pauley.
GO BRUINS